Were The Gospels Written By The Disciples Originally In Greek?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 4. 06. 2017
- The questioner can't name the scholars and just started looking at the topic in question but he's absolutely sure that the evidence falsifies what Frank is saying... đ€
#FrankTurek #Gospels #Greek
My answer to the college student would be, âWould you be willing to DIE for a story you made up?â
His answer wouldâve been... No.
The disciples all were killed for their testimony of Jesus Christ with the exception of John, even though they thought they killed him God saved him and thatâs why he ended up in Patmos where God revealed what we know today as the book of Revelation
Curious what evidence you have for any of your claims?
And do you know who Jim Jones is?
People died for hitler too
@@abubakrmala4553 Yes, and for a just as flawed ideology.
Thatâs a great method! I think people are misunderstanding what youâre saying. They didnât just die for something they believed in (plenty of religious people do that), they died over their testimonies of something they actually witnessed.
@@adrianswagner5440 Nay...the BEST method is the SCIENTIFIC method, there are none better.
Some people have a problem for every solution. Let that soak in.
One of my co-workers is like this description lol.
Scott H Great comment !
Quote for 2020 my guy
And a bunch of supposedly rational adults in the 21st century still have an imaginary friend that lives in the sky. Let that soak in.
Some people have a solution for things that aren't a problem. Let that soak in.
- Matthew was a tax collector and so would have had working knowledge of Hebrew, Greek, and Latin so as to file reports with the Roman authorities in his district.
- Luke was a physician and thus a learned man who most certainly would have had a working knowledge of Greek.
- Mark was described as the scribe and interpreter of St. Peter so it stands to reason the man was bilingual if that's the case.
- John didn't start writing until later in life so it's a very good possibility that he taught himself Greek.
So true ... So true... Thanks a ton and lot.... You actually cleared my doubts..... Thank you so so so much :)
Thanks for adding that information
Not a word of this is true!
@Jyue An Thatâs a separate topic entirely and has nothing to do with the subject of the video.
The problem is we have no idea whether Matthew was actually written by the tax collector mentioned in the gospels. In the main texts, the gospels are anonymous, with the 'According to..." tags added at a later stage (plus no author would call something they'd written themselves 'According to Matthew' - that's the work of a third-party editor). Further, tax collectors (telones) were generally considered scum, since they were low-level enforcers who worked for the Romans. It's extremely unlikely that any were lettered men who could have afforded an education. Indeed, they would not have needed a working knowledge of writing any language beyond the ability to use the alphabet in order to keep records. Further, to write in such a high standard of Greek using complex rhetorical devices would have required an extremely educated man, and the original disciples were all lower class Jews. In addition, Mark as the 'interpreter of Peter' is a later church tradition, not mentioned in the New Testament, which we have no way of verifying. I think we can make a stronger argument for Luke being written by Luke, since the author identifies himself (albeit subtly) in Acts.
Some people, ultimately, don't want there to be a God that they're held accountable to.
Welp, we're close to Revelations
Uh...that has nothing to do with it and those are lame apologetics.
@@flashoftruth Yeah, there is nothing to do with it, because we know what we want for our lives..
But me as a Christian, I find apologetics as a way to seek truth in an objective manner, free from emotion that is ever-changing.
They are lame apologetics because truth has become lame hasn't it?
@@leibniz4455, Christians have been saying that we are close to Revelations for 2000, as well as from the time I was born. When will you stop lying to us.
@@leibniz4455, scholars overwhelmingly find the evidence for the traditional authorship of the Gospels as being inconclusive. Those who proclaim that Matthew wrote the first book in the New Testament are telling us something God never said, the authors themselves never said, and the evidence doesn't say. Pulling something out your rectum does not truth make.
"Koine Greek" literally means "Common Greek", ie it's wasn't used only by those of high socioeconomical background but by everyone! The kid's just pulling 'facts' out of thin air and claims that scholars agree with him.
He's trying to be the smartest man in the group. Time and human nature will teach him, he is not.
Exactly what they're teaching kids to do. Critical thinking is dead on campuses.
I've been in an argument with an atheist for the last day or two on here and that's exactly what he does. Just pull "facts" out of nowhere
@@dmac2899 it's also the education system. They just teach nonsense. Idk if you've researched what false 'Science' is taught in schools even though it's totally been debunked years and decades ago. It's shameful.
I.e., Haeckles Drawings, the speckled moth theory, Darwin's Evolution,. Miller-Urey experiment, etc.
@@joymeyer4730 Exactly. After all, evolution is only a theory. It's not proven, but what is in the Bible has been proven, i.e. the life of the body is in the blood, and the earth is round. Some of the smartest people like scientists, and philosophers just over-think things.. they become fools.
While serving in Afghanistan; a country rich in resources but poor in education, I had four native linguists working on my team. One had, their version of a college degree, while the others had a 3rd grade education. They all spoke Farsi/Dari, Pashto, Urdu, and Arabic.
Especially considering the continuity of Hebrew in Jewish culture, carried on even to the present day, it would not be surprising for commoners to have been multilingual, especially having been occupied by so many other nations. Am I to assume that the laborers in Texas from Mexico are illiterate or incapable of being bilingual?? The college kid didn't really think that through: formal education and intelligence are NOT directly related.
In the 21st century, in a country where all 4 of those languages are commonly spoken. In 1st century Judea, neither latin or Greek were widely spoken by those outside of the ruling class
Surely not fluent for 1 or 2 of them.
@@mattk6719 Exactly, even though this young man is getting "higher education" in collage, he probably only knows how to speak one language. That's why it's so hard for him to believe that people in the ancient world were capable of speaking many different languages.
Youngster is good.đ
"I'm a linguist"
*5 minutes later
"A very famous Roman historian, Jo-se-phis"
"Josephus?" (a Jewish historian)
"Yeah, sorry, pronunciation was wrong."
"The religious leaders are notorious for making things up."
*1 minute later
"That quote from Josephus was completely made up."
"No, it was likely changed by later Christians, but we still have a similar quote from Josephus."
Also
"Nobody spoke Koine Greek" -the common language of the day.
This kid didn't know a thing he was talking about.
Textbooks are written by man, what was his point? The Bible is incorrect because it was written by man but textbooks are objective truth... wrote by man?
He is just a young proud boy
He also says he doesnât claim to know their motives yet also said religious leaders are notorious for fabricating information .
He talked for 8:30 minutes about languages, his question was about morality
Christians celebrate "Pentecost" greek word for (50th) 50 days after the Resurrection of Jesus.
It was the day all the Apostles (disciples) received the knowledge of different languages through the Holy Spirit.
Of course for them was another miracle from Jesus . Obviously Greek is the only language that has the power and spiritual tools to make you understand and feel the wisdom offerings of our Lord Jesus Christ to humanity.
Simon who named Peter from Jesus (Greek word for rock) made his speech in Athens speaking fluent Greek in front of some special rock, with the title
" For the unknown God"
As someone who reads Koineâ Greek every day I have a semi-informed opinion of the authorship of the New Testament.
Koineâ was the English of the day, and reading and writing in Greek was more common than one would think, even in Judea. There is internal evidence in the books of individual authorship - writing style, use of language and so on. John always wrote like John. His Greek is very simple and straightforward and always has the same style. It may be that he used an amanuensis, but I certainly donât think so because he wrote in the rabbinical style, like a Rabbi. Even given that, he wrote like a man who sat down and wrote letters to people he loved in language even the most simple of them could understand. Luke on the other hand, was obviously fluent in Koineâ. He wrote like he was born into a Greek-speaking family. He knows all the tricks that street people knew back then, making it much harder for me to interpret. Hebrews was written by an extreme intellectual and my vote goes to Apollos because he came from Egypt, probably Alexandria, where the Septuagint was written, meaning that he would be extremely fluent in classical Greek. Someone more expert than I am in Greek told me that the language in Hebrews is on a whole different level than the rest of the N.T. By the way, Jesus quoted from the Septuagint. Mark is pretty simple, too, like someone who used Greek every day, but wasnât a native Greek speaker. There are more examples I could give, such as I and II Peter. Real scholars donât doubt that Peter wrote I, but they doubt he wrote II, which is because their writing styles seem to be different, and he mentions the transfiguration, which skeptics would like to deny even happened. However, the two letters are closer to each other than to any other writing style in the whole N.T. As to Matthewâs questions. I hate to say this, but it seems to me that he wanted to appear to be a real authority on the N.T., but I suspect he only had a class or two where the professor was feeding his doubts. I donât blame him for parroting that evil man or woman, but he needs a lot more study before he can really weigh in on something he knows nothing about. He has been taught that all Christians are liars and thatâs too bad. Thereâs a special place in hell for teachers like the one who infuenced him, and I donât say that lightly. See what Jesus had to say about someone who caused one of His little ones to stumble.
//making it much harder for me to interpret//
All the more reason to take the entire thing with a grain of salt.
//He has been taught that all Christians are liars and thatâs too bad.//
Nah, they're just delusional.
//See what Jesus had to say...//
You mean _see what the words that you have to "interpret" in a book attributed to a guy named "Yeshua" claim he said,_ you have absolutely no way of knowing if he did or not.
Oh, and I am certain you know then that the Gospels are anonymous right?
@@flashoftruth so where did you get your degree in ancient languages or archaeology
@@inklingsofgod How is that relevant to what I wrote?
@@flashoftruth because what you wrote was entirely irrelevant
@@Darqstorms No, it was quite relevant as it all dealt directly with the subject matter.
Ok So I was raised in the âhoodâ spoke Spanish as my first language, learned English, Portuguese, French, and Hebrew.
I can read and write in the first four languages.
So how is it that ancient men canât speak more languages and had better memory than us ?
you got a point..the young man just assume alot of things
The lingua franca of the time of Jesus was Greek. Most educated peoples of that era and locale were somewhat fluent in it, even for the learned Roman it was quite common to be literate in Greek. Jesus spoke Aramaic as His native tongue, but studied ancient Hebrew texts and was a recognized religious scholar, and therefore would have been quite familiar with the language. Also, Jesus was well educated in the Hebrew schools of His day, and could not only speak and write in Greek, but was hired as a translator in His early days. For the scribes to have spoken Greek is almost a given, since the very fact that they were scribes, it was necessary for them to be a very educated individual. So, what was the young man's point, again?
Doug Overhoff I can not find a point in his question either, but if he did have one, you just destroyed it with your comment...
Budokai 100mph Thanks for your comments. It helps to know some historical facts, if one is intending to question or challenge pertinent information relevant to the discussion. The young man in the video is apparently oblivious to the truth, but, I give him props for his temerity and for his effort to try to learn something (?) from a recognized scholar.
Doug Overhoff true we have the answers to the vast majority of the Biblical languages.
Know we can give our best âapologiaâ to the Muslims that claim that Arabic is the sole language of God.
"Professing to be wise they became fools"
Alfonso Santibañez
This young man is clearly objective whilst practicing honest epistemology.
Frank Turek is a dismissive shill and buffoon. HIS time is done.
Sad, really, that his âscholarshipâ is his only source of income.
@@gilmana1 Was Frank wrong?
@@gilmana1 God still exists and judgement is coming and every knee shall bow
@@minatoarisato2012 Yes, Frank is very wrong, I was very shocked and disappointed by this from him. The gospel are written anonymously, never claim to be eyewitnesses, and in fact Luke explicitly states that he isn't an eyewitness. Anyone who could read and write in first century Palestine would have had to be extremely well-educated. Jesus and his disciples were not. Moreover, Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic, the NT gospels are written in Greek. Ok, Frank is right, we can't PROVE that the gospels weren't written by disciples. That's not the point. The point is we have literally ZERO reason to believe that they were. Believer or non-believer, Frank is either dishonest or just very, very ignorant.
@@JohnDoe-ov9ib How do you know they weren't "well-educated", and what they knew and didn't know how to speak?
The way he's looking at broad data is hilarious. It's the same thing today. You can be poor, but you can still learn another language. Not only can you learn from a friend who speaks a different language, but you could find books, you can use the library. Even back then there's plenty of possibilities to learn a different language.
Excellent.
John, before he became Jesus' disciple, was a disciple of John the Baptist. John the Baptist, John and Andrew always did their ministry in JUDEA, where John the Baptist baptized people there. In Judea, there were 3 languages used by people living there (Hebrew/Aramaic with Hebrew script, Greek, and Latin). Judea, with its center namely Jerusalem, of course was an important area, where many people from MANY LANGUAGES (especially the three languages) came there. John the Baptist, John and Andrew perhaps knew at least 2 languages used there (Aramaic and Greek), because they sure met with a lot of people. Greek was the lingua franca. No Jews spoke Aramaic with Romans. They used Greek. There were also Hellenized Jews, who were proud of Greek culture and language.
It's unlikely the lower class disciples would have known anyone who could teach them to write Greek to such a high standard as we find in Matthew and John, much less afford to pay for their schooling. What's more, I think the disciples had more pressing concerns than learning to write in (what for the time was considered) sophisticated Koine. Unlike today, there were few libraries that contained guides to learning how to read and write, and the ability to read, in general, appears to have been uncommon, much less the ability to write, as both would have required special schooling, which was a luxury beyond the financial means of the lower classes. It's possible, however, that the disciples could speak some Koine, considering how prevalent the language seems to have been in 1st century Palestine - it's something they could have picked up, even from an uneducated Greek speaker. Josephus, for example, writes that the ability to speak foreign languages was not considered anything special by the educated elite, since even slaves and commoners could do it. Reading and writing, however, were luxury commodities.
Really? You know how hard it was to learn a foreign language 2000 years ago? LOL okay
People also had much more time to learn.
Free of distractions.
So people were definitely learning as much as they could
They always run from the âdo you believe itâs ok to murder questionâ đđ
Yeah, I see. But now how do we answer them if they brought up that question?
@@steelcarnivore8390 ---One can kill in self defense and this is morally acceptable. Murder, which is taking the life of an innocent is NEVER morally correct. There is a distinction between killing and murdering. God's commandment to mankind was 'Thou Shall not MURDER;.
@@jake5811 what about the time god killed someone who touched the ark to keep it from falling on the ground or the first born of the Egyptians? Were they not innocent? Therefore God is a murderer
@@jake5811 * the ark I was referring to is the ark of the covenant
@@hellothere6728
You are mistaken in putting God's authority in the same level of the creation.
God created and owned everything,, including the life and soul of His creation.
The creation have their own authority,, granted by God,, which is called Free Will. You are free to choose what to do with what given/lend to you. But, it doesn't mean we had the authority or right to claim over those things. Not even on our life. That's why, suicide is a sin too.
Such as murder. Because you are taking what is not belong to you.
The life of other person is not yours,, so you have no right for taking them to your own means. That's why you are guilty for murder.
The case with God is different.
When God *took* the life of His creation,, He is simply claiming back what belong to Him in the first place.
Because they may had taken what He gave them in vain or simply running out of time, thus He took it back. As simple as that.
It's like,, when A have a car,, and lend it to B..
B are free to choose to use that car to go where they wanted to go. They are free to play with the car,, taking picture,, sleep in it maybe etc etc..
But,, it doesn't mean B can scrap that car or ruin it or give it to someone else. Aren't they?
That's also doesn't mean when another person, say C came,, he could take it with force from B. That's theft.
But, when A came and took the car back from B, it can't be a theft. Because it was A's car in the first place.
And say that A lend the car to B for a decided period of time.
But,, before that period ended,, A found B had taken the car with granted,, use it with no care,, use it to hit others or even use it to disturb A,, so A simply said,, give it back since it is clearly you don't respect what I lend to you,, and you don't respect me..
I hope I can help cleared that out for a bit..
God's bless are with us~
The kid does not know what he is talking about. Koine Greek was not classical Greek. Koine was the street Greek of the day.
Saratogan THANK YOU!
The kid was asking mind boggling questions because he doesnât go along with unproven Biblical narratives. He has every right to know and in my judgment he strikes me as a non blind Christian. Itâs called debating with God.
@saratogan he made a claim and you made a claim about koine greek. Neither of you have provided evidence to support your claim. So how is your claim better than his?
@@josh2676, because I have studied this for 40 years. I don't make claims that I have not researched. Koine greek was the Lingua Franca of the Eastern Empire. Everyone who did any trading spoke Greek. All commerce was done in Greek. Classical Greek was like Latin is today -- a dead language. Nobody had spoken classical Greek since the days of Homer. It was literary language that was read only by the upper class of the time including the upper class Romans. That's right, the upper class Romans spoke Greek to one another in the same way that the imperial court of the Tsars spoke French and not Russian. It made them feel so much better than the hoi polloi.
I was in Ephesus in 2017. The ruins are from the 1st century and are all in Greek and Latin. I was in Israel last year. Even in the Jewish ruins, there were many inscriptions in Greek.
The inscription over Christ's head at His crucifixion was written in Hebrew, Greek (Koine) and Latin. Why? Because it covered the majority of the population of Jerusalem at the time.
The quotations from the Old Testament made throughout the New Testament were all taken from the Greek translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint and not the original Hebrew text. Why? Because, even among the Jews, the Greek translation of the Old Testament was what they were most familiar with.
Is that enough evidence for you?
@@Saratogan Do you know what evidence is? You gave me a summary of your family vacation and more unsupported claims. I am more than happy to take what you say as fact. Im not here to win an argument im here to learn from credible sources. You say you have studied this for 40 years thats cool, that means you shouldnt have any problems citing your claims from a credible linguist, historian, biblical scholar, or anthropologist journal/article.
Greek was the international language back then, just like most of the people in the world know how to speak english
Really? Humble, low socioeconomic tradesmen, two thousand years ago were polyglots? I don't think so
@@Gerryjournal The writers of the Gospel weren't socioeconomically low or uneducated. Matthew was a tax collector, Luke was a physician, John's family was wealthy, they ran a fishing business with many employees.
Evidence? Matthew changed the name of the tax collector from Levi in the others to Matthew in his? Not convincing. On the other hand, there have been extensive studies done that estimate the literacy rate of the 1st century literacy rates in the Galilee around 97%.@@ddt0889
Correct!...Greek was the language of trade. Latin was the language of the ruling state (Rome). Hebrew was the mother tongue of that time and place. I can see Jesus speaking all three languages.
Jesus didn't speak Latin. Perhaps he was familiar with some Hebrew scripture that he knew orally. I wouldn't be surprised if he spoke some basic Greek, Sepphoris was just a hop, skip and jump away from Nazareth. But Aramaic was his first language. That is historical fact.@@braddahbu1066
This really annoys me because
1. Mark was Peter's Traveling companion and interpreter. Mark WOULD have known Latin and Koine Greek(Just because Peter could miraculously speak and people would understand in their own tongue doesnt mean he could understand others)
2. Mathew was a tax collector. He would have known Koine Greek and known how to write
3. Luke was a physician (ie a learned man)
4. John Dictated to a scribe and lived until about 90 or 100 or so (long time to learn new languages to preach)
of all the Apostles and first/second generation of christians. the Evangelists were undoubtedly suited to write the Gospels
"Yes you're right but they're probably fabricators".
-This dude
I doubt Mark would have known Latin.
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt You doubt a guy named Markus who lived in the roman empire spoke latin?
Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture,Peter was Petro,Titus Flavius Petro Clemens,why there's 14 Pope Clements from the HOLY Roman Empire, Saints, highest ranking of all Angels, well known.
IM CRACKING UP AT THIS LOL@@zumagallerte4669
It's called "Pentecost". They spoke in tongs. So yes they knew many languages, including greek.
considering the effect Alexander the great ( whose appearance was prophesied by Daniel ) had on the ancient world it is safe to assume that Greek back then was like english today , anyone who was worth talking to could probably speak it
Is that how John could write? Like wasnât he a fisherman and wasnât it hard to learn to write back then?
@@lyssalouise2705 It most likely is. There are two ways of learning something new, either through formal education or through experiences. John and many other apostles, most likely learned through their experiences. Peter being a fisherman would've had to bargain with Aramaic and Greek speakers. And Greek being a dominant language in the Western world during that time, they most likely knew how to write it too.
@@bijogeojose7209 oh yeah that makes sense! Thank you for that information!
"They spoke in tongs. So yes they knew many languages, including greek."
Horseshit. Put 2 people "speaking in tongs"[sic] together in a room and have them tell us what the other said?
Speaking in tongues is nothing but delusional gibberish.
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kid: I am a student of linguistics..... Same kid: Jofeesus, is nefarious
in fact it is turek who mispronounces it.
@@louiscyfer6944 the kid also mispronounced it, at least turek didnt announce himself as a student of linguistics
@@louiscyfer6944 Listen again Bozo!
TL Strength & Conditioning i guess you don't know how josephus is pronounced.
I cannot stop laughing đ€Ł
âI watched a documentary and now Iâm an expertâ
Can you please suggest me that documentary?
I stayed at a holiday inn .Now I am a expert (Had to see the commercial)
I laughed so had. Nice comment. I loved it
I read an ancient book written by ignorant, desert dwelling goat herders...and now I'm an expert. Let THAT soak in.
@@atheistangel007 You're just a CZcamsr making a comment. Why should I believe you?
Frank's argument escapes me in this particular situation. There was this dude named Alexander the great. He conquored the middle east. Greek was the language of commerce and trade at that time, for a long time, 150 years. Individuals who were involved in commerce and trade would have written and spoken Greek just as the Quebecers speak english in Canada if they want to conduct trade outside of Quebec. Luke was a doctor, he would have written and spoken Greek. Matthew was a tax collector, he would have spoken and written Greek. Mark was presumably versed in Greek. John was involved in a fishing business he would have spoken and written Greek. Paul was a well schooled pharisees, he would have spoken and written Greek. Paul mentions that he had Silas write for him when his eye site was going. Silas also wrote for Peter acting like a secretary of sorts.
"I goggled it....so therefore I'm right"
No, I used DuckDuckGo therefore I'm right đ
I think therefore I am
I thought therefore I'm right. đ€«
Joke. I don't need to think to be right đ€Ł.
Ephesians 5:4 - Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
We can learn and understand a person better from the questions he/she asks than the answer he/she gives.
Someone's socio-economic status has no bearing at all on whether they a bilingual or not omg. I'm a classics major and let me just say, everyone spoke greek, even poor people.
Writing and reading and speaking are different things
@Darth Quantum The lingua franca of the day was Greek. So yes. Every time Jesus spoke Aramaic in the scriptures they had to translate it into Greek so people could understand what he was saying.
@@kl1970 lol, that kid was full of biased assertions. Zero evidence.
If we applied his logic to our existing life right now. *How do you explain poor people in 3rd world countries who read and write 5 different languages.?*
What this kid asserts is that impoverished people can not learn other languages. That is scientifically false. 100% fake news.
I know Indian kids myself who speak and write 5-6 languages and grew up in the slums of India.
Also, Koine Greek was the "common tongue" of the biblical era. We could call it street greek...
This kid asserts Koine Greek as upper class greek. That is historically inacurate.
Electric Spark
How do you know all this? I would like to learn what you know. Where do I start?? Itâs so encouraging reading how people like yourself have researched. It strengthens my faith.
@@jaycee4389 The first thing I did was started following famous Christian apologists like Frank Turek, Ravi Zacharias, Paul Copan, there are many more.
Read books, Paul Copan wrote (Is God a Moral Monster?) Awesome read, frank wrote some great ones as well. Also, Ravi Zacharias is a legend.
Download Frank's app cross examined. It's so good. Fact check the information to with you're own research. God bless you Jay!
His parents would be so disappointed in naming him Matthew
Says the guy named Pat.
@@atheistangel007 cringe atheist moment
@@user-fp9lt1lm1z In what way exactly?
@@atheistangel007 just cringe bro
@@user-fp9lt1lm1z Whatever ya say random CZcams person. [yawn]
We need to pray for this guy...!...God help him...!
Amen!
Why? He's honestly seeking the truth. He's not pretending like he already found it
Yes, poor Frank...
I am currently in college now & it seems to me that he may have been influenced by an atheist professor. They support the learning material with their worldview & life experience. A smug, atheist professor infuses indoctrination into their teaching- especially in the humanities.
Pray for this young man. That the holy spirit reveals truth to him one day
R G3 there is no Holy Spirit! Jesus never existed!
Michael Eatmon
Tell God that when you reach your appointment for judgement.
@@michaeleatmon9127 Even skeptics will say Jesus was real and existed, we have lots of proof he was real outside the bible. The real question is was he who he said he was, the Christ. Did he do all those miracles and did he rise from dead?
Amen
@@ameya5054 claim - no proof = baseless
Frank is so kind to the people that try to disagree with him. God bless you Frank and thank you for all you do for the kingdom of God and our beautiful Savior.
Hey Matthew aggregated data says that since I live in America I only speak, read and write in English. However I can actually speak, read and write in two other languages besides English đ I know itâs a hard concept for you to grasp but people have the ability to learn multiple languages by leaning, isnât that cool đ
Remember, anti-Christians always think that ancient peoples were dumb like cavemen.
Matthew "I spent 5 minutes googling this before your talk, so I'm an expert. Mark didn't write the gospel of Mark. I will keep re-asking the question until you give up. I have nothing but time on my hands."
He wouldn't have to repeat himself if Frank would stop convincing his flock that the deciples of Jesus wrote anything at all. The only writting historians have is Pauls letters. But the point the kid made was that the others would have not been capable of doing so because they weren't educated like Paul was because he was a noble of Roman society. Which meant he is the only one historically capable of writing anything about Jesus.
@@cry4mexd238
You know many of Paul's letters were written by other people as Paul dictated it to them.
The same is easily true of the other books in the new testament particularly because the Jews were a people who kept much of their knowledge in spoken form, they were taught from a young age to remember and recite the whole of the old testament, it would be quite easy for them to do the same with the new testament.
There were plenty of gentiles who would be more than willing to put pen to paper to make sure that those who couldn't be present to personally hear the preaching of the disciples were still able to receive the gospel.
@@lilchristuten7568 So any of the illiterate apostles could easily have dictated epistles like Peter's two New Testament epistles. Keep up the good work! â„ïžâ„ïžâ„ïž
@@cry4mexd238 Luke was a physician, and Matthew (who probably wrote in Hebrew as his Book was to Jews) was a Roman tax collector. Both were educated. Also, most âwritersâ used scribes back then, as even Paul did as he didnât actually âwriteâ his Epistles, he dictated them.
Even Socrates, the great Greek philosopher, never actually wrote anything down himself.
What about Luke who was clearly educated and wrote the Gospel according Luke and the book of Acts. I could take Luke's Gospel as a standard and give credit to both Mathew's Gospel and Mark's Gospel.
When you study Anthropology you know that in 50 b.C. people that were conquered by Rome spoke their native language and Greek, also many scholars think they could speak more than two languages because of the importance of oral comunication. So yes, people that where under Roman dominion spoke Greek and their native language. Also Greek Koine is known as the common Greek, it was used by normal people.
And also before then Roman empire all the Helenistic empires after Alexander the Great spoke koine Greek. Isn't that right?
I agree that Greek was quite widespread as a spoken language at the time, and we also have evidence of 1st century Jews writing in Greek from sites such as Jericho and Masada. The problem is that only the educated, who came from families that could regularly afford to pay for schooling, would have likely been able to write in such fluent Koine, and Jesus's disciples were all lower class Jews.
@@steveb6535 Yes, only educated people could write fluently. There where scribes employed to write oral conversations or letters. Not all of Jesus followers where low class Jews, his ministry was sponsored by many wealthy people (women in his majority) also one of his most known followers (Peter the apostle). was the top disciple of many well-known jewish rabiÂŽs.
Jesus by anthropology studies also knew arameic (he spoked it), hebrew (he read in the synagogues religious texts) and even some greek (because of his artisian work).
Also the first texts were written 20 years later after his death. The Gospel of Luke, was written by a greek doctor (to a greek audience). So yeah Jesus preached for the lower class and misfits, but his ministry was well-known among the elites and religious scholars.
@@josiasfunes5482 I agree with your second paragraph. However, there's no evidence that Jesus's ministry was sponsored by wealthy people, though his legacy certainly appears to have been some decades after he died. Peter was an illiterate fisherman, not an educated man. He's even described as illiterate in Acts of the Apostles.
@@steveb6535 Sorry, I meant Paul (not Peter). Yes, Peter was a fisherman. Paul was a Pharisee student of Gamaliel (top academy in the region). There are other comments in this video section that go through the capacity of his disciples.
About his preachings he had followers from all social clases, some examples:
Nicodemus (Sanedrin), Lydia (merchant of goods) Peter (fisherman), Mathew (tax collector).
The first recording (doesnât mean that where not recordings prior) was in the year 55 a. D. 22 years after Jesus cruxifiction. Later gospels (70- 90 a. D.) probably inspired in this record and many others (by the composition of the gospel we can determine that). So yes, one of the first recording was made for the followers alive. People who were eye-witnesses, consecuently could not had been written 100 years later. Literally we count with many pericopas that survived for early as 70 a. D.
The young man has forgotten faith and that humans writing scripture were "inspired" through the agency of the Holy Spirit.
The holy spirit must be addled, the gospel accounts of what happened at Jesus' tomb contradict each other.
"The young man has forgotten faith and that humans writing scripture were "inspired" through the agency of the Holy Spirit."
You forgot to include evidence to prove or support that claim.
Contradictions appear in reliable eyewitness accounts. Watch Cold Case Christianity.
I think it's a good thing for this ' kid ' to ask honest questions that arise from his current level of understanding. He's not pretending to knowledge he doesn't have, but is simply asking questions from the level he now occupies. He is respectful to his interlocutor and demonstrates a genuine interest in finding the truth. I say good for him.
I love the "so what?" philosophy. It comes down to who cares? You're missing points of purpose that would save your soul
Because it IS _so what..._
@Waffles Sure it is...just like if someone were to ask "What flavor of ice cream do elves like best?"
My answer would be "Who cares?" because the question makes no sense and there is no reason to take it seriously.
There is no good reason to believe there are any _"points of purpose that would save your soul"_ because there is no reason to believe we have a "soul" or that even IF we did, that it is in need of any "saving".
flashoftruth why do u not need saving if you are not of perfect morality and also go through the same perils and despairs in your life at some point as everyone else, and cannot fix your own problems and despairs by yourself? Unless u have?
â@@rlugo01 //why do u not need saving if you are not of perfect morality//
There is no such thing as "perfect" morality, and in this context, no one is in need of _"saving"._
//and also go through the same perils and despairs in your life at some point as everyone else//
Figuratively speaking, but atheists find comfort in reality.
//and cannot fix your own problems and despairs by yourself?//
Yes, this happens on occasion, but there is absolutely no reason why we should look to myths or imaginary friends to _fix_ anything. Sometimes there are no "fixes" to the problems we face, such is life.
flashoftruth this reality you speak of is still figurative and still based on something you also create in your head, i really donât understand how one can be atheist if they have seen the wonders of nature and as many people put it, its scientifically impossible for nothing to create anything, let alone everything, and yes then the argument is why is it anymore likely that an all powerful being created everything, but then you hear and see all of these âcoincidencesâ not even just in nature and the science and math of the universe, but in peopleâs testimonies of having stuff line up in a way that cant b pure coincidence as well as supernatural phenomena, and if everything u hear u dismiss, then u are already closing your mind off and have made it up about being an atheist, an
The young man wasn't there to ask question. He wanted to debunk the foundation of our morals. Something like I used to try to do when I was sixteen.
_Tried_ at 16????
Hell, my kid can do it, and he's 6.
What do you mean by that?
@@roguedaskill Meaning, if anyone gets their morality from the Bible, they would easily be destroyed in a moral argument.
"He wanted to debunk the foundation of our morals. "
You mean the Bible? Both testaments condone slavery.
@@cnault3244 Okay then, what's your description of slavery? Is it like how do whites treated the black? How the Norse treated the conquered ones? How the Greeks treated their slaves? How do Egyptians treated their slaves? What's your description of slavery?
âIf Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?â -Dr. Frank Turek. (Favorite quote )
All religions are made by men alone.
Young Guava true men made religion but, Christianity isnât a religion. Religion Got our lord and savior Jesus Christ killed.I donât follow religion I follow the almighty Jesus.
@@bagnasbayabas That doesn't answer the question. If you're wrong, long shot, I know, but let's say it's in the realm of possibility, would you be honest enough to admit it and change your mind?
@@gomezv8944 Yes, Christianity most certainly IS a religion, and but 1 of 1000s, all with exactly the same evidence to prove their chosen god[s] exist...
â@@Malhaloc "That doesn't answer the question. If you're wrong, long shot, I know, but let's say it's in the realm of possibility, would you be honest enough to admit it and change your mind?"
Even if everything about Christianity was correct, which it isn't, no, I would still not become a Christian or want anything to do with Yeshua/Yahweh. "God" is a deplorable character and should be charged with crimes against humanity IF it actually exists. Anyone the worships/followers/advocates for such a thing is morally reprehensible and undeserving of respect, so why would I want to become something I despise?
I had a grandfather who immigrated to the US from eastern Europe in 1900. He was not a learned man in the traditional sense yet he had a fluent working knowledge of 7 different languages. A reminder of the quote (I believe it may have been by Mark Twain) "I've never let my schooling get in the way of my education." Matthew, you should take note.
being able to make oneself well enough understood in a few related european languages is very different than being an native aramaic language speaker and writing full fluent greek prose.
â@@johnnoon9999 who said that the the gospels are written in "fluent" greek ?
I traveled to Israel and there was a nine year old boy who followed us around to each stop.
He amazed us by fluently changing from English to any of six other languages.
This boy was not upper class at all. In fact, he may have been an orphan. It was common for people in Israel to speak three or four languages, easily.
That makes sense. Peter being a fisherman would have had negotiated with Aramaic as well as Greek speakers. They did not need to learn it from a school, they learned through their everyday experiences. My father who works in the middle east had no knowledge of Arabic, but he now speaks it fluently. Their experience is their education.
Very few "writers" in the ancient era wrote their own documents, the writing materials were so expensive, specialists were mostly used for such tasks, so when Paul writes his letters he on one occasion notes that he writes it with his own hand, which indicates it is out of the ordinary for him to do so. Similarly the other gospels may have been dictated by their "authors" and written by a scribe. It is inconsequential if Mark could read or write (he probably could) because he only needed to organize the accounts and dictate them to a scribe who would do so. Mark likely was the scribe actually writing stuff down as most people think he was actually writing down Peter's dictation of events.
@Jared Gilmore it's also plausible the it wasn't even marks originally mind to write any gospel. I hope the ideas of writing the gospel were flirted with wealthy Greek converts to Christianity who could for the bills incurred without breaking a sweat. Otherwise why would they have to wait all those years to go by. They were not good to know when they would die to risk not writing what they had to as urgently as possible
In Nigéria, we speak 521 native languages
English is our oficial language
We learn French in the school
The Catholics pray in Latin and celebrate mass in Latin sometimes
I learned some Italians in university as a music student.
We have German and chinese school as well
I leave in Brazil and speak Portuguese too
Soooooo
Whatâs the young lad saying!
Especially on the Sea of Galilee, where you're trading with people who speak different languages. Kind of a requirement for the job.
I find it disturbing that the kid hesitated to answer "is murder wrong? Is rape wrong?" The immediate answer should be "Yes"... Praying for all mankind
so when god ordered moses to kill some of his own people because they had sinned against him...that was wrong?
murder and killing is ok as ling as god commands it. Just read the old testament.
what he was struggling with is the trap that can be laid. If you murder someone who is trying to kill you , is that morally wrong? If a person is about to kill another person , is it morally wrong to kill before he does? If not what about if he will kill 5? 20? 5000? etc What is he had to rape someone to save 10,000 from certain death - now do you see what was churning away in his head.
Please read and understand the Old Testament. You do not understand it and need someone to interpret it for you.
Say what???
My head hurts listening to this young man. A little knowledge and a lot of foolishness
Frank isn't that young.
@@flashoftruth
Nice one!
He makes a gd point, the gospels does seem construded
@@analoyddavis6665 The only _good point_ Frank makes is when he finally shuts his mouth.
He is obviously in great need of attention.
This kid sounds as petulant as I did when I was his age. He gets one small nugget of information, that he conveniently forgot the original source for so he canât be fact-checked, and goes on one of the most jumbled webs of arguments I have ever seen. It can only be through the Holy Spirit that Frank is able to withstand people like him for all these years.
Well said. Oh, how we deceive ourselves when are self centered. Peace!
Amen brother
Amen.
But your God created this "petulant kid", didn't she? So what's your point?
@@midlander4 God created the kid, but the kid made himself petulant. My point, which I thought was quite obvious, is that Frank Turek has an impressive amount of patience to be able to deal with people like this kid on a regular basis.
He would not have asked the question had he knew the meaning of his name, Mathew means "gift of God"
I'm sorry but that does not add up.
Matthiyahu = gift of Yahweh specifically
I'll give this kid that he's very knowledgeable, confident and articulate with his misinformation.
He's definitely confident, but I wouldn't say he's articulate.
@Dan Delgado by 70 AD the "followers of the Way" as first century Christians were called were much more numerous than the "few Losers" you speak of.
All that praise đ
How can one be knowledgeable in misinformation? Thats a self defeating statement. Those two words have opposing meanings.
@@oldscorp Gotcha - it was a tongue in cheek comment. However, it's similar to having a lot of knowledge about things that aren't important or are untrue.
Iâm in 3rd year Linguistics and I know so much. Let me challenge a position I admittedly have not studied with pompous disorganized arguments.
*College Kids*
@@BookOfMorman Theists...sheesh.
More young men like him are needed, questions like this are good to see debated...
To the guy in this video read this how accurate the writers were in those days...
Sir William Mitchell Ramsay, a 19th Century English historian and prolific writer, held a pervasive anti-Biblical bias. He believed the historical accounts in the Book of Acts were written in the mid-2nd Century. Ramsay was skeptical of Lukeâs authorship and the historicity of the Book of Acts, and he set out to prove his suspicions. He began a detailed study of the archaeological evidence, and eventually came to an illuminating conclusion: the historical and archaeological evidence supported Lukeâs 1st Century authorship and historical reliability:
â(There are) reasons for placing the author of Acts among the historians of the first rankâ (Sir William Ramsay, St. Paul the Traveler and the Roman Citizen, p. 4).
Ramsay became convinced of Lukeâs reliability based on the accurate description of historical events and settings. Ramsay wasnât the only scholar to be impressed by Lukeâs accuracy:
âOne of the most remarkable tokens of (Lukeâs) accuracy is his sure familiarity with the proper titles of all the notable persons who are mentioned . . . Cyprus, for example, which was an imperial province until 22 BC, became a senatorial province in that year, and was, therefore, governed no longer by an imperial legate but by a proconsul. And so, when Paul and Barnabas arrived in Cyprus about AD 47, it was the proconsul Sergius Paullus whom they met . . .â (F.F. Bruce, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? p. 82).
Lukeâs narratives include detailed and specific descriptions related to the locations, people, offices and titles within the Roman Empire. In fact, many of Lukeâs claims were eventually confirmed by archaeological discoveries:
Related to Quirinius
Luke wrote that Joseph and Mary returned to Bethlehem because a Syrian governor named Quirinius was conducting a census (Luke 2:1-3). Archaeological discoveries in the nineteenth century revealed Quirinius (or someone with the same name) was also a proconsul of Syria and Cilicia from 11 BC to the death of Herod. Quiriniusâs name has been discovered on a coin from this period of time, and on the base of a statue erected in Pisidian Antioch.
Related to Erastus
In Romans 16:23, Paul wrote, âErastus, the city treasurer greets you.â A piece of pavement was discovered in Corinth in 1929 confirming his existence.
Related to Lysanias
Luke described a tetrarch named Lysanias and wrote that this man reigned over Abilene when John the Baptist began his ministry (Luke 3:1). Two inscriptions have been discovered that mention Lysanias by name. One of these, dated from AD 14-37, identifies Lysanias as the tetrarch in Abila near Damascus.
Related to Iconium
In Acts 13:51, Luke described this city in Phyrigia. Some ancient writers (like Cicero) wrote that Iconium was located in Lycaonia, rather than Phyrigia, but a monument was discovered in 1910 that confirmed Iconium as a city in Phyrigia.
Related to the Pool of Bethesda
John wrote about the existence of a pool of Bethesda (John 5:1-9) and said that it was located in the region of Jerusalem, near the Sheep Gate, surrounded by five porticos. In 1888, archaeologists began excavating the area near St. Anneâs Church in Jerusalem and discovered the remains of the pool, complete with steps leading down from one side and five shallow porticos on another side.
Related to Politarchs
For many centuries, Luke was the only ancient writer to use the word Politarch to describe ârulers of the city.â Skeptics doubted that it was a legitimate Greek term until nineteen inscriptions were discovered. Five of these were in reference to Thessalonica (the very city in which Luke was claiming to have heard the term).
Related to the Pool of Siloam
John wrote about the âPool of Siloamâ (John 9:1-12) and described it as a place of ceremonial cleansing. Archaeologists Ronny Reich and Eli Shukrun excavated the pool and dated it from 100 BC to AD 100 (based on the features of the pool and coins found in the plaster).
Related to Pontius Pilate
For many years, the only corroboration we had for the existence of Pontius Pilate (the governor of Judea who authorized the crucifixion of Jesus) was a very brief citation by Tacitus. In 1961, however, a piece of limestone was discovered bearing an inscription with Pilateâs name. The inscription was discovered in Caesarea, a provincial capital during Pilateâs term (AD 26-36), and it describes a building dedication from Pilate to Tiberius Caesar.
Related to the Custom of Crucifixion
While thousands of condemned criminals and war prisoners were reportedly executed in this manner, not a single one of them had ever been discovered in any archaeological site. In 1968, Vassilios Tzaferis found the first remains of a crucifixion victim, Yohanan Ben Haâgalgol, buried in a proper Jewish âkĂŽkhĂźmtypeâ tomb.
Related to Sergius Paulus
In Acts 13, Luke identified Sergius Paulus, a proconsul in Paphos. Skeptics doubted the existence of this man and claimed that any leader of this area would be a âpropraetorâ rather than a proconsul. But an inscription was discovered at Soli in Cyprus that acknowledged Paulus and identified him as a proconsul.
In addition to these archaeological discoveries, there are many other details recorded in the Book of Acts corroborating its historical accuracy. Luke describes features of the Roman world corroborated by other non-Christian historians:
Luke includes a correct description of two ways to gain Roman citizenship (Acts 22:28)
Luke includes an accurate explanation of provincial penal procedure (Acts 24:1-9)
Luke includes a correct depiction of invoking oneâs Roman citizenship, including the legal formula, de quibus cognoscere volebam (Acts 25:18)
Luke includes an accurate description of being in Roman custody and the conditions of being imprisoned at oneâs own expense (Acts 28:16 and Acts 28:30-31)
Archaeology is a discipline of âfractionsâ. Given the nature of archaeology, we shouldnât expect to find corroboration for every claim of history, regardless of historical author. But in spite of the inherent difficulties and limitations of the discipline, the archaeological evidence supporting the claims of the New Testament is incredibly robust (refer to the Biblical Archaeology Society for additional evidence). As a detective, Iâve also come to respect and recognize the limits of corroborative evidence. Archaeology sufficiently corroborates the history of the New Testament, providing us with âremarkable tokens of (Lukeâs) accuracyâ.
J. Warner Wallace is a Cold-Case Detective, Christian Case Maker, Senior Fellow at the Colson Center for Christian Worldview, and the author of Cold-Case Christianity, Cold-Case Christianity for Kids, Godâs Crime Scene, Godâs Crime Scene for Kids, and Forensic Faith.
Good Job for taking the time to write this.
It will help a lot of people
Anne why waste all that space on here can't you see this kid doesn't WANT to find the truth he wants to find a way to DISPROVE the truth save your breath and energy for the ones who are GENUINE because this kid isn't and it's plain to see !
That there were stories circulating the area at that time of this Jesus performing miracles in related by historians in the 1st century.
The historical documentation is there.
There are documents (believe their authenticity or not) which are held in the Vatican libraries, which are Pilate's report to Rome, a member of the Sanhedrin investigating the reports about Jesus during His ministry (the man trying to find Jesus, trying to catch him in cities he heard where He was, interview details of the shepherds of what they heard and saw, interview of Mary the mother of Jesus (description of her, what she related to the interviewer, what the angel looked like and his appearance when he appeared and vanished, etc)...
These documents are available on Google books and/or Amazon books as scans.
I have them.
@Jonas Sandoy my God doesn't require me to kill an animal if I sin.
@Jonas Sandoy nope..not according to the New Testament
In his heart, the fool has said there is no God.
All this brought to you by the current University system we have now.
The blind leading the blind.
raul castro Proverbs 18:2
New International Version
2 Fools find no pleasure in understanding
but delight in airing their own opinions. This verse seems to apply to this young man wouldnât you say Raul?
I only read the KJV myself. The young mostly are foolish. Having been young, I can testify.
raul castro I read several versions of the Bible. I do not limit myself to just one version. Of course Iâm only 74 years old and been a Christain most of my life what do I know?
Well, if fools even know it, why doesn't everyone else too?
More like the thoughtful asking penetrating questions about texts that have been unquestioned for centuries.
"I don't like the morality taught in the Bible, therefore I will grab at any alternative theory and be willing to throw everything out, just in order to justify the way I want to live".
I mean most Christians also ignore the morality taught in the Bible I have yet to meet a Christian who followed the Bible to a tee. I as an atheist just refuse to believe a all powerful and good god sends billions of his own creations to eternal suffering for things like stealing, being gay, or being a non-believer.
@@jacobwhite5196 Again your surprised yet you have not read and truely put some thought and understanding in the BIBLE. Get ur facts right m8
@@mario41221 Dude I have read and analyzed the Bible. On my own, without other peopleâs opinions. I grew up in a Christian household. I know enough to see the things I donât like.
This young man was very impressive. He asked good questions and he seemed to be a good listener.
@@christellec5448 surely they must be. He's intelligent, but naive. He's not applying his intelligence wisely. And he's got a strangely childish stubbornness when presented with an argument.
@Paul Morgan ...you have issues bro.
He is very naive and just repeats what Atheists are saying.
Father God please remove the scales from this young man's eyes and please melt his hardened heart. In the powerful name of Jesus I pray. Amen
Father God please remove my own scales
Can you find in bible jesusi " I am god worishipi me?! " there is no word in the bible you mean jesusi is god it is churichi lesene!
Redeemed, Forgiven, Free I pray that the Bible believers would wake up and realize that the invisible God they worship and Jesus who was invented by the Catholic Church are nothing but mythical creations of evil men that made it up to control the world. Th Bible is Not the word of God.
Amen
@@sherifali3676Frank also explain this search it...
Why can't people formulate one question and move on? Goodness... I need to work on my patience. Lol. Frank, good job on keeping your cool with this kid. I could definitely learn from that.
Me too... I am so impressed by his calm.
Because they want to be given a specific answer that justifies their pre-conceived notions
Don't ask for patience! That's a mistake! God will start giving you situations that require much patience. : )
@@sandina2cents779 I can very patiently wait for those situations that require much patience.
:-)
@@johnc4624 LOL Nice!
Frank when you talked to him after the seminar, I NEED those answers. Where can I find them?? Thanks for all you do!
Ha ha- do we not see the irony here? The student argues that, since the average person in that time and place didn't know Greek, then we can assume that the disciples didn't. Well, the average American (born and raised in the US) is mostly monolingual in English, so by that statistic should we assume that the student here who is asking the question does not know any language other than English? Well, yes- we should assume so, but we would be wrong- the student himself says that he studies linguistics and knows languages. So he himself very topically proves the counterargument of Dr. Turek- we can't reliably use aggregate data to assert knowledge about a particular case. LOL
P.S. Also ironic: the student's name is Matthew- of Hebrew origin meaning "gift of God" LOL
that young man was clearly searching and investigating.
i hope he did talk more with you later. he seemed to be genuinely struggling with big questions. i can appreciate that.
Kid is obviously Catholic too. Hope he decides against being gay.
no, this young man isn't searching but trying to act smart.
@@joshyang7226 Frank is not that young.
I think he came with a "gotcha" attitude and wasn't as wise as he thought.
@@joshyang7226 Idk, this was me years back. And I was in search of truth, questioning everything, so you never really can say what his motive is.
Imma just judge and say this guy is being super pretentious.
@Darth Quantum @Darth Quantum lol, that kid was full of biased assertions. Zero evidence.
If we applied his logic to our existing life right now. *How do you explain poor people in 3rd world countries who read and write 5 different languages.?*
What this kid asserts is that impoverished people can not learn other languages. That is scientifically false. 100% fake news.
I know Indian kids myself who speak and write 5-6 languages and grew up in the slums of India.
Also, Koine Greek was the "common tongue" of the biblical era. We could call it street greek...
This kid asserts Koine Greek as upper class greek. That is historically inacurate.
@@electricspark5271 exactly,.. Greek was most lingua franca,.. They probably knew it better than hebrew,.. Kit is full of prejudice and arrogance,..
Greek was in the Hellenistic era like English is today, it was the most common language, even Jesus spoke Greek, he spoke to Pilate in greek
@Darth Quantum LOL!
@Darth Quantum I am also a scientist but the kids assertion about e.g. Josephus account was funny. Its as if I found a physics book in which Einsteins theory of general relativity was (printed) wrong and therefore the whole book is wrong and fake. Lololol
The people that are willing to stand up and take questions from the audience... I have great respect for them, because I don't have that ability. You come up there with a attitude, when you are an intellectual toddler, you know practically nothing about the topic, and then act arrogant about it.... there is no way I could handle that without mocking them. G-d bless these men that can handle these people... I couldn't do that.
Thatâs like saying no slave could not read. But they read better than their masters.
The Greek culture and Greek language was used widely after 322 B.C. after the Conquest of Alexander the great in minor Asia until the Border of India
Only some of the prophets spoke Greek, overall in the land of Israel they spoke paleo Hebrew, no where in the Bible does it say my Hebrew Messiah or any of the prophets only spoke Greek.
@The reaper ok...and? They still used an alphabet, what's your point? And most of the evidence points to Ancient Greece having a unique alphabet...
"Do you believe murder is wrong?"
"Well..."
No, not well... it is a yes or no answer.
He was at least smart enough to figure how that an honest answer to the question was setting him for defeat. It is a shame he couldn't be honest and take "the beating."
Murder or killing? There is a difference.
There is a commandment in the Bible (it isn't one of the commandments that the Bible calls the 10 commandments) that says thou shall not murder, it is often mistranslated to thou shall not kill.
This is why there is a commandment not to murder, and a lot of commandments telling you who you are supposed to kill. Because the killings were OK's by god, the killings are not murder.
Murder or killing? There is a difference.
There is a commandment in the Bible (it isn't one of the commandments that the Bible calls the 10 commandments) that says thou shall not murder, it is often mistranslated to thou shall not kill.
This is why there is a commandment not to murder, and a lot of commandments telling you who you are supposed to kill. Because the killings were OK's by god, the killings are not murder.
@@cnault3244 The difference is irrelevant... Dr. Turek asked this person if he had any doubt that murder was wrong.
Thank you for your response!
The bible actively encourages murder, rape, people trafficking, and slavery.
Chree slaarge please read what you wrote and then go read the Bible the Bible dose not support God dose not support anything you just said neither dose the Bible teach that itâs okay or even say that it is good or should happen actually quite the opposite
We know that Matthew, Luke, John, and Mark understood Greek because they wrote the Gospels in Greek.
Titus's Pen names, Titus my ONE TRUE son in the faith, there's a clue in that statement, Titus telling you that he's the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture, Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, satire, why all the Gospels contradict each other, different Jesus's Titus slaughtered, Titus gave them Sol invictus to worship on the 25th December when the Sun resurrects again after 3 days, Titus's satire
Matthew was a tax collector. He must have been educated enough to read and write the accounts he dealt with. Mark was an interpreter for Peter. He literally translated things for Peter. Luke was a doctor. Pretty educated. Paul, was an educated Greek-speaking Jew from Tarsus who trained in a notable Jewish school of the time. John, was, of course, a fisherman. But he did walk with Jesus and the other disciples for almost three years. He could have learnt the language during that time. I can testify to this because I managed to learn four languages other than my mother tongue. Two of them with little to no help from anyone. So, to say that John might have learnt one(not four) language in order to write what he most cherished in life about the Son of God, is actually quite believable.
Anji keep lying đđđ omg, honest I donât know why someone wants to lie n mislead people why
@@01faisall with such a claim, you now have to prove where he lied and how it actually was.
@@DevatorGaming honest people knows the truth about the bibles and who wrote them and they are anonymous, but people who wants to misguide n mislead others will name names I guess u are one of those like anji
Worldly wisdom is foolishness to God
Resurrection from the dead is the resurrection from winter and darkness. We celebrate this at the spring equinox. Jesus is one of many sun gods.
You go on believing that then. You'll see someday that you were wrong.
funny that atheism is more prevalent amongst the better educated.
Keep the masses ignorant and thye will keep giving money to the church (and Frank)
Also funny how there is a correlation between atheism and autism. Maybe atheism is a medical condition.
Autistic people can be extremely intelligent.
Do you have some sort of bias against autistic people?
Koine Greek was the language of Jesus' time. The majority of the Mediterranean world spoke it, which immediately debunks the questioner's claim that Mark could not have written the Gospel of Mark simply because he was too "simple" to do so. I'm a hick from Groveport, Ohio and even I can understand Koine!
Secondly, the timing of Jesus' coming coincided with the permeation of Koine throughout the region AND the ability for one to broadly travel based on one world government, the Roman government. The common language was a huge reason Christianity exploded in the first few centuries after Christ's resurrection, and this in the face of severe persecution.
His argument regarding later church historians somehow doctoring of altering earlier manuscripts was wishful thinking without evidence of proof. We simply possess too many early manuscript copies so that revisions to one or a few would be easily discovered and debunked by other, more numerous copies without changes.
I thought Frank showed incredible patience in allowing the young man to speak when he clearly didn't know what he was talking about!
Thanks for that. I got the impression the student was making some unfounded assertions, drawing conclusions from those, and would simply default to "let's agree to disagree" when pressed. His mind was made up and he was not really open to anything that went contrary to the conclusions he had already arrived at.
We are not speaking about the mediterranean world, we are talking about what the language was in Syria etc That language was Aramaic . Only a few of the highest elite spoke Greek and they definitely were not fishermen OK? Only 3% of the area were literate.
Mark didnt write Mark because we dont know who Mark is. The earliest and best copies of the NT are ALL anonymous with no names attached - these were added later along with made up professions like physicians that sound admirable but look it up, we have no clue who wrote the NT and that is undisputed apart from the fundamentalist of course.
Talking about "timing" , Jesus was claimed to been born when Herod the Great was around and at the time of the census when Quinirius was governor of Syria - Herod died 4BC - Quinirius didn't start his governorship until CE6 so that's a minimum of ten years out - care to explain that timing?
No Frank conceded that the Josephus passage was doctored to "sex it it up" would be the modern term, this is not disputed by serious scholars and the earliest versions we have of Josephus words dont even have it included at all.
It is clearly changed as Josephus claims Jesus was the messiah and not really a man - this would have been blasphemous to an orthodox Jew (which he was) who made an auto biography where he never converted to Christianity.
Here is the text and I have put in capitals the not so disputed insertions :
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. HE WAS THE CHRIST, AND when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.
Take those caps out and its a very human story and not divine at all. And Josephus is all you have in the first century that is extra biblical - thats it zippo. And nothing more until about 80 years after that.
David Sells does it now , and when was that exactly
@@jonfromtheuk467 Not only the elite did. The reason trades rapidly grew in commerce is trade throughout the Empire. The Greeks conquered the region 300 years before Jesus was born. Solomon Kappa (st peter) was from syria. Where does his body now reside? Look it up. To think that the common people did not develop language skills to even commerce with traders etc for 300 years is insane.
@@christopherfortineux6937 Can you show we where I said they didn't have any language skills ? They would have have spoken Aramaic not Koine Greek the bible is written in, or at least not by peasants and humble fishermen like Cephas. I simply said they were "illiterate" in that they couldn't read or write and thus their words may not have been preserved accurately, or even at all.
Guy was obviously born in America and has lived there his entire life, and he canât imagine a society in which different languages are spoken in different contexts depending on the formality of the setting and the education level of the speakers.
I thank God for the Holy Ghost that brings us to all truth
Ah, so bats are birds?
Circular logic. What if... what if... what if. Sometimes you have to trust that 2000 years of studying and failing to attempt to debunk the Bible might be someone just not wanting to be believe in it because if it's true, the consequences are eternal.
Spacedave2000, Amen preach đ
Yeah , He talked alot, to say nothing at all lol
Spacedave2000, the Bible has been debunked dozens of times, but you have to actually consider the evidence critically before you will be able to "see". If you study the Bible devotion-ally, you will never "see" facts staring you right in the face.
Kyle O'Leary there has been attempts to debunk the Bible since it was first organized into its collective books. There's been no 'smoking gun' to either 100% prove or disprove it. What is evident is that it's been carefully and accurately translated as a whole for 2000+ years and the Old Testament books translates accurately for 4000+ years. This is extremely historically rare and almost impossible ... yet it is.
As for archeology and it's pros and cons...
Four decades ago, Edwin Yamauchi introduced what he called âarchaeological fractionsâ in The Stones and the Scriptures:
-A fraction of remains survive to be discovered.
-A fraction of ancient sites have been surveyed.
-A fraction of known sites have been meaningfully excavated.
-A fraction of what has been found has been academically published.
-A fraction of what has been discovered and published pertains to the Bible.
Given this limited scope, we must be cautious in our assessments that any single find proves or disproves the Bible. But considering its age many finds at the very least confirm many 'contexts' of biblical accounts.
As for the hot topics such as Creation vs Evolution, Noah's flood, the parting of the Red Sea, etc etc I will say this. Jesus is a proven historical figure. That's not really up for debate any more. Either he was a liar, delusional or telling the Truth about who He claimed to be. If it's the latter... well He never once claimed the Old Testament books false and debunked them. He in fact taught them... and interpreted their meaning accurately ... changing the entire world. I sleep therefore quite fine at night knowing that fact.
I hope you can objectively see those thoughts as well.
Spacedave2000, can you tell me how many originals of the 66 books of the Bible we have? The correct number is 0. Nobody told me that in the 40+ years I was a Christian. How can you check the accuracy of a document if you don't have the original to inspect? Answer: you can't. Also, it is a well-known fact that the Oral tradition was the most common way to "record" history. Some of these stories were passed around for decades before anybody wrote them down. Do you really think that Bible stories were passed from person to person for years and then the person that actually decided to write it down had a 100% accurate account?
Another waster, full of himself! Just trying to prove himself cleverer than the rest.. The preacher is very patient with him.. Hopefully some day he will come to his senses..
You can say that again!
@@chofamba9689 if you do not question you do not learn,nothing wrong with questioningđ
"The preacher is very patient with him.. Hopefully some day he will come to his senses.."
Yes, let us all hope "the preacher" can.
@tele tubby "Waster," -not "waste." As in time waster.
@@chofamba9689 Yes, and you are but 1 letter away of having a pot to put it in.
Biblical Archaeology Review September 1992 shows that most Jewish funerary urns at the time of the century were written in Greek. In other words, most first century Jews wanted to be remembered in Greek.
This young man has a wealth of information....about what I have no clue....
It's good to question what we believe in. Otherwise, a Christian's faith would just be blind faith which could be sometimes dangerous. The Judeo-Christian God is also a God of logic and there's a good reason why He gave us hands and a brain.
Though this young man is a non-believer. I say respect his beliefs and answer his questions carefully and respectfully. We are all sinners at the end of the day. Christ commands us to be loving and patient with non-believers (James 1:19-20).
I failed that miserably to be patient and understanding and it is remorseful.
@@kevingutierrez9273
I had an exchange with several atheists years ago who became extremely condescending when it seemed I was able to out-flank them. Being scientifically trained, I understood their arguments and I understood the weakness of those arguments. When I began to deliver more clever back hands than they were accustomed to hearing, they complained that I was probably making God pretty unhappy by being mean to them. I laughed uproariously. As Christians, we are not to cast our pearls before those who are intellectually dishonest and seek only to badger and mock us and the Lord Jesus Christ. Sure, there is a time to be patient but there is also a time to turn the tables on the dark forces around us.
@@PETERJOHN101 I'm assuming your atheist friends are honest atheists who value scientific facts. My friends are atheists because the world tells them to be. They have no idea how to analyze an issue scientifically, and when I defended my arguments scientifically, they went into a meltdown and became aggressive.
God bless this young man.
it's quite obvious God is not blessing him , because then he would understand , instead he is blinded , blinded by his own arrogance
@@SnowWhite-kr9js yeah whatever
@@travelsouthafrica5048 This seems to be an odd statement. God only blesses people who believe in him? Is that true in the real world?
@@halleylujah247 it depends on what blessings you speak off , is he blessed with insight and prudence , obviously not
is he blessed with financial well being or blessed with good health ? perhaps
my statement merely points out that he is definitely not blessed with faith and understanding and to get the blessing of faith and understanding you need first to be humble and willing to listen and see another's point of view before you choose to disregard it
@@travelsouthafrica5048 heâs asking questions. Better than not asking and just floating down the River or swimming the wrong way.
He is truly wise in his own eyes. He really likes to hear himself talk, I was hoping Dr. Turek would tell him to just go home to his mother...the patience of a saint.
What if, God forbid, his mother has passed away?
Dr Turek: Matthew, are you a new testament scholar?
Matthew: No but I stayed in a Holiday Inn express last night.
And is still more intellectually honest than Frank...
@@flashoftruth are we trying to find out who's a better person or who is GOD?
@@teamelectroteck Well, the former is the only one that's possible.
wow great where is it place?
This would have taken me 5 seconds:
"Do you know any poor people who can speak more than one language?"
"Well, I..."
"Boom. Just proved you wrong. Better luck next time kid."
Yeah letâs extrapolate speaking languages in 2020, to writing advanced literature back 2000 when Jesus was alive. Thatâs a good idea.
The kid doesn't hear anything that Frank is saying. Some heads are like cement, all mixed up and permanently set!
specially the heads of religious peoples
Aaron Hermoso kind of you to illustrate my point for me thanks:-)
the kid is right the guys is just not answering questions.
Frank is answering, the problem is that the kid already has his mind made up & does not want to be confused with the facts. facts that virtually every scholar & historian agree upon.
None of the Gospels are written in the first person, hence they are written as being "according to." John is also reported as being illiterate in the Gospels.
Its fantastic that this kid is so pragmatic! I believe God put him here to help affirm his faith.
SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY WANT AND HAVE ALREADY MADE UP THERE MINDS BEFORE EVEN HEARING THE OTHER SIDE. MAKES ME SAD
I KNOW!! Practically all scholars say that the our evidence of who wrote the Gospels is inconclusive, yet preachers and apologists continue proclaiming shifty traditions as fact. Talk about making up your mind before hearing the other side!!!
SOME PEOPLE = ALL THEISTS
@@atheistangel007 May I ask? If you don't believe in God why are you watching these videos?
â@@tatenda3209 I watch so that I can be better informed about what apologetics apologists are using these days so that I might better argue against it.
Because it is the 21st century, we have probes on Mars and in deep space, we come up with cures for deadly viruses, we build mega marvels that make the Tower of Babel look like a Lego block, and yet we STILL have a vast % of the population of supposedly "rational" adults that deny such things as the fact of evolution and that have at least 1 imaginary magic friend in the sky, and sorry, but I do not find this acceptable.
These people vote, influence everything from our politicians to our laws, have children, and pass their delusion on to the gullible, and we have tolerated this nonsense for far too long.
Religion, combined with willful ignorance and way too much power, have contributed and continue to contribute to just about every detrimental thing about our species, and I as a responsible human being simply cannot allow that to go on without speaking out and exposing it for what it is.
Until religion no longer is relevant and has such of an effect on this planet and me personally, then I will continue to challenge those that promote it.
@@atheistangel007 Just to be clear here when you say evolution do you mean "things change, species that have the traits to survive the change, and species that don't have the traits to survive the change die" which was the definition taught by my biology teacher, or do you mean Darwinism (which biology and natural order prove to be wrong)?
I would have stopped this "pseudo-questioning" immediately by simply asking this kid to CITE HIS SOURCES...!!!
Dang, Matthew. Why do you have to be such a pain in the patoot.đ
He was not interested in the truth at all. Folks like these aren't after truth, they want to win debates or arguments even if it means blatant disregard of objective truth.
Pride corrupted minds and hearts. The evidence are in his face and yet he still wanna believe in his own understanding. May God bless this young man.
It would seem this young man loves his own knowledge and ideas, pray to God that He open his eyes so that he may submit to Jesus our King.
3:29 did he just say "poine hebrew?"
Interestingly, Mark is the only one of the four that is an outlying statistic. Matthew would of known Greek because he was a tax collector, Luke would have because he was a doctor. John did not write his gospel or letters until he was an old man, so he probably learned in later life for the purpose of writing the gospel. It is plausible that Mark knew Greek for trading purposes, as Greek was a lingua franca in the ancient world. Perhaps that is why Mark probably wrote for Peter early on. Greek was the main literary language of the time (thanks to Alexander the Great).
I wouldn't say Mark was an outlier. He was Peter's translator so he was surely fluent in Greek and Aramaic, possibly even Latin. Mark's family was also wealthy enough to have a large home with servants. Some Christian traditions even say the last supper was held at Mark's home. Mark's family being wealthy would explain why he was fluent in Greek, they had the finances and resources to provide him with education most people didn't receive. It should be noted that John was the manager of his father's fishing business. He would have had to have known a fair deal of Greek in order to sell his fish to people in the surround areas, like the Decapolis, which overwhelmingly spoke Greek. It's fair to say all 4 of the Gospel writers were fluent in Greek based on their backgrounds.
@@burmiester1 That is very true!
There have been new findings. New Testament in Hebrew! I can't wait till they are fully translated.
This kid had no intention if listening or getting an answer.
adam ropp I agree. It's clear he isn't interested in dialogue but rather pushing his view that the gospels are unreliable. Historical science and textual criticism says otherwise.
He demonstrates just how bad education is today. More propaganda than skill training in logic or analytic thinking.
He is corrupted by evolutionary professors who mock christianity.
yeah you are acting like a man with your comments. NOT. You sound like a little bratty kid getting mad saying don't call me that lol and then calling people names . You may be 18 but are no where near the mentality of an adult
This kid said Josephus wrote about Jesus which could be fabricated by the Christian at that time.
One thing he might not realize, Josephus was born 1 year after Jesus died, he's someone one generation after Jesus. Which means when Josephus grew up, he was writing about Jesus who was a hot topic among his generation. In another word, you were born in 1978, and during your adulthood, you are writing and testify about Elvis Presley who died 1 year before you were born, whose name was still famous around your community.
So Josepus indeed testified about the real existence of Jesus!
They could answer themselves by reading the Bible. "It's too big... I'll just do a quick Google search and try to stump him "
Yes and your god waited millions of years to create google so that you can do a quick search. I did learn the Bible for 33 years of my life. But now that I am a non-theist, I know it better and can look at it objectively.
@@willievanstraaten1960 lol okay
In my orthodox church, we are learned that after 40 days after Jesus rised to heavens, the Holy spirit came to them "in tongues of flame" and they started to speak multiple languages. They gave the example of Latin, Elamite, Median, Persian, Egyptian, hitite etc. So most probably they got the power of learning Greek in a single second because God wanted them to spread his word to all of nations. Even this is later confirmed in the bible when once Peter was laying down and had a vision of God offering him to eat from a HUGE proportion of animals. Many of them were seen as "filthy" by Peter who was a Jew and jews have specific rules which animals are to be eaten. Then God said something like "who are you to claim the food your God offers you to eat is filthy?"
That was a secret message that Peter understood. God meant that same as every animal he offered is eatable, same goes for every nation, the romans, the greeks, the Persians, the Egyptians etc. He wanted the Apostles to convert all of humanity and of course God wasn't like "Idk, try your best to speak to them", but of course he helped them, bit through buying them translators, but by them becoming translators overnight!
What code from the 30's AD is he referencing, the one that Paul used in the 50's AD ?
Do you have any doubt murder is wrong ??? Pause.......wow if this kid is the future of America...WERE IN TROUBLE !!!!!
A definition of murder please.
170221dn So soldiers who murder over seas to defend the USA are in sin?
Yes and they are also dumb for going and killing people for money and to help those in power. But the time will come when we will have to answer for our crimes....
Jeff david LoL. ^^^^Three examples as to why Matthew paused, too. ^^^. Yes, by Matthewâs not understanding the definition and the three above have no clue, then you should very well be afraid. They will murder you for your beliefs thinking they are doing the world a service.
Mathew and two others above have an example of self defense which isnât murder, it is killing. Then they have a moral argument as to why they can redefine it.
This is a scary time to live.
This kid is pretty confused.
Jonathan Kotyk sounds crystal clear to us!
Jonathan Kotyk the kid is crystal clear, you are confused. Listen again
Eddie Austerlitz notice how he scoffed at attributing nefarious motives to the writers
He knows the early Christians were persecuted.
"So lemme just write this Christian book and put a death sentence on myself just for my fake religion. So that in 300 years Christians will be the majority religion "
This doesn't make any sense. They're not doing it for money
Women or power if they're lying they wouldn't be doing it for piety either.
Something happened that caused Christianity to spread despite the death sentence on Christians .
You can either believe the bible or dismiss it but stop thinking your better more logical smarter or even wiser than people in that time period. What on earth would you die for you have to understand the bible in 1 Corinthians 4 which was written in 55 A.D. says that the persecution or martyrdom of the Apostles was planned by God.
For what purpose to confirm the testimony of the things they had seen. They saw Jesus ressurected they were sent out by Him as witnesses marked for death to confirm their message .
Would you and your friends make up a religion of your dead friend and die for the lie you know you created.
Would Hitler become Jewish and start preaching Judiasm and die at the hands of the Gestappo.
Would the early Christians have become Christians knowing they were going to die if they hadn't seen miracles.
To this day the Gospel of Jesus is Changing Depraved sick criminals into Loving Mature Men. Look up Converts to Christianity from Islam look up David Wood a psychopath convicted attempted murder turned Christian Apologist.
Ask any Believer if their life had changed since believing in Jesus they'll tell you yes.
But I suppose some people would rather believe their own illogical skepticism rather than objective evidence for Christianities truth.
Stephen Hawking had ALS he also looked Mentally retarded
By the same logic this guy used Stephen Hawking should've died three years after his diagnosis
And because we know he looked Mentally Retarded therefore He was. This guy isn't using his brain to think he's using his biased opinions to "debunk " the bible.
Watch 'Snuffy's response to Frank "Willing to Kill a Child for his God" Turek' i think Franks confused.
Looks like he is not the only one confused. lol
I want to hear these two hash it out! That was good!
The version my grandfather would read was in Ancient Greek. They reverted to English after the 1960's. By then 6 missionaries were sent and died (one being the reason pop left the Baptist faith)
The Truth isnât hard to find; just hard to except.
amen
Accept***
Thereâs a couple points I would make here. As far as Mark not being able to write the book of Mark, Greek was the common tongue of the empire of Rome during the time of the occupancy due to the fact that Rome Conquered the Greek existing empire that spanned the Mediterranean, Northern Africa, and parts of the east. I think we can safely assume that he probably at least knew some Greek, if not spoke Greek seeing as how the Greek empire was in the area for 200+ years at that point + the time that the Roman Empire which utilized the Greek common tongue in common street speak. Itâs very much like today where much of the world speaks English even though they donât live in an English speaking country.
- As far as him being able to write it, most scholars assume the apostles wrote their books at least a handful of years after Jesusâ death, and being that he was traveling / speaking with other followers of Jesus (there werenât just 12 apostles there were thousands of followers) which, with all religions, span all socioeconomic classes, within these few years of communicating with these believers, some of them would have taught him how to write Greek if he didnât already know it. We have to remember that there wasnât much else to do while traveling the road or at night, they didnât have modern distractions, so they wouldâve had hours everyday to devote to such an endeavor. Being that the language was commonly used around him, I would assume that if he didnât speak it (which I would say is unlikely) he would have at least picked up several phrases and understood some of the words at that point in his life, so learning the rest of the language wouldnât have been that arduous of a task.
Also, because Greek was the most used language at the time due to the Greek empire recently still conquered, he would have had a good reason to learn the language to proselytize if he didnât know it. Also, being it was the most used language at the time, and the tale of Jesus needed to be told true and without blemish, the faithful wouldâve needed manuscripts of the testimonies at the time which would have necessitated both Aramaic and Greek manuscripts to be written by those who were Jesusâ closest witnesses. And indeed this is what we see when looking at the historical evidence.
I think itâs safe to discard assumptions about his socioeconomic standing and things tied to it, when he himself had stopped doing that particular profession as well.
Good questions. Always good to search and know for yourself.
Don't hate on this brother he will find his way through God hopefullyđđŻ
Matthew's question is solid..
I think that it needed more time.. And less pressure..
But i trust that it would have been answered to the Glory of the Most High at the end of it..
Imagine what this man could do for the lord,very intelligent. I pray he repents and trusts in christ very soon
Well it could be a start. You can see in their eyes that they honestly are seeking for the truth that's why they came up with this questions and later on they'l be more convicted by the holy spirit to go deeper on knowing what they have started to search for.
Good apologists like Lee Strobel and Ravi Zacharias were once young atheists that is searching for the truth then eventually drowned into the dephths of the mysteries of the divine scriptures.
very sad, trying to apply human reasoning to God. thereâs a reason everything seems contradictory when you do that, itâs because the LORD defies logic and attempts to put him in a âscientificâ box.
âAs the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.â
@Al-Ansar Al-Hajj You're right the Catholic church goes against the Bible on many issues. For example no man can forgive sin, only Jesus can do this. But that doesn't mean that the Bible goes against itself. The Bible is the Word of God, and Jesus is the Word made flesh (John 1: 14).
Where do you get the idea that this man is intelligent ain't nothing what he said is intelligent.
@Al-Ansar Al-Hajj yet you quote from the Bible ? Which show how foolishly you are. Another thing to show you are not very bright, by the time the catholic church came into existence the Gospels was already written. Instead of trying to find fault with the Bible you should worry about trying to find answer to the mockery of that filthy book that is called the Quran.
âI study linguisticsâ proceeds to pronounce Josephus incorrectlyâŠ
It still comes down to the question "how do we know that the God of the Bible is real", but they build circuits in their head to make things complicated...
The bible is a great big worldview package. And you'll either have a positive attitude about it, due to a multiplicity of factors, or you won't. You'll be neutral or negative about it. Worldviews are incredibly complicated!