Greek Manuscripts of the New Testament
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- How good are the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament? Dan Wallace and Mike Licona discuss. Topics include the number of Ancient Greek New Testament manuscripts, the oldest Greek New Testament manuscripts, the Textus Receptus, and much more.
Daniel ("Dan") Wallace is Senior Research Professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary and Executive Director of the Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts. His book Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament is a standard intermediate Greek grammar. High resolution photographs of hundreds of Greek New Testament manuscripts may be viewed at www.csntm.org.
Mike Licona is associate professor of theology at Houston Baptist University and president of Risen Jesus, Inc. HBU offers a fully accredited Master of Arts degree in apologetics that may be completed entirely online or on the HBU campus in Houston. For more information, visit bit.ly/2Wlej6Z.
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I have that very same Greek Grammer Beyond the Basics. I took a year of Biblical Greek at Western Seminary in San Jose circa 2003. Its been a pleasure to be introduced to Professor Dan Wallace on your channel.
Men, I am supposed to watch it later but when I learned you're with Dan, I stayed to listen. Mike looks so young for a 59 year old man.
Wait what? I thought mike was like 40-45?
@@shawndurham297 check his age.
Thank you for this. A great summary for even us non-scholars. It's important to know what our versions if the Bible we read and use and live by are based on.
The content of this video was outstanding. Good job Dr. Licona!
I really blessed of your two interviews with Sir. Dan. I took notes, it's so helpful.
Love this show! Cutting edge info! Would like to get update every 6-12 months on this one Mike
Glad I found your channel Mike .found you through david wood 👍❤
Wish this conversation could have continued on! Great episode!
this is fascinating! I love learning about this proof and evidence for our good God LORD Jesus Christ!
Really enjoying this. Just subscribed!
Mike, you saved me 400 bucks!
God bless you, sir!
(I still want that book!)
Thank for such an enlightening discussion.
Look at the awesome library Dr. Wallace has!
And that is just his physical library, the amount of digital copies his team acquire is phenomenal.
These kind of video interviews should be being shown in the average congregation but they are not.
Thanks, Greg! Please help us get the word out.
Agreed.
We have the complete Bible in English already. Manuscripts are irrelevant
@@Mr-pn2eh You are wrong.
@@Mr-pn2eh Room temp IQ type of response
Excellent Mike Love these videos.
Love Dan Wallace, can’t wait!
What does apparatus mean
Thank you for the information
Thank you very much for this content!
You guys are awesome.
I got into this years ago. The Greek manuscripts are amazing
@@SilenceDogwood. David Alan blacks book on learning Greek and bill mounces book I read them together because I like blacks Method but I’m not great with English so mounted would help me remember English stuff
I’ve been finding Mounce’s textbook with workbook very helpful. He also has lots of online tools that follow alongside the book. And he has you reading the Bible very early on.
Thank you so much for the video! Can you please tell me the approximate time span in which the 5500 greek copies were written?
41:34 Question starts about 42:00 Number of Main Mss Used in Critical Greek NT 42:23 Answer starts.
Good video show in charge
Waiting on top5 bible translations 👍hope I have one !
Can anyone explain why in Mt.16:18 NT Greek translators render epi in the dative case as "on"?
Notice that they abide by the rules and translate the same preposition, also in the dative, as "with," in Mt.18:26.
It seems to me that the translation (mistranslation?) of this verse is the foundation of the great apostate church.
Hi, @Mike Licona . Can either you or Dan comment on the existence (or non-existence) of titles mentioning the names of the Gospel writers in the Gospels? We know that the BODY of the text is anonymous, with respect to explicit authorship, yet there seems to be some question about TITLES in the original manuscripts. Brant Pitre has made an argument that the titles are actually in the oldest Greek manuscripts. I thought the titles were NOT present in the oldest manuscripts. Can you all clear this up please?
See my article, beginning on page 5: www.risenjesus.com/wp-content/uploads/religions-10-00148.pdf
Great work, Gentlemen 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Hi Mike,
Bart Ehrman always makes the point 'yes, the manuscripts we have are old and take us back to the 2nd-3rd century, but how do we know that the first copyists didn't make mistakes or add to the text bla bla bla..." Could you have Dan address this since (at least to my knowledge) he has always simply made a comparison to contemporary literature (which is a valid point) but I was wondering if geographical distribution and various translations would also demonstrate that the probability of a different text than what we have is extremely low. Bart seems to present (at least in his debates) a linear view of transmission which allows him to cast doubt on the text we have today vs a text being copied by multiple people with a vast geographical distribution.
Thanks
We additionally have quotations of the texts in the Patristic writings.
In 190ad Tertullian of Carthage wrote in ‘the prescription against heretics’ that a number of the autographs were still available to examine.
Should be a good study
Where can I find copies of New testament manuscripts? I'm a pastor of a small church plant looking forward to my seminary learning in a good seminary that teaches the Bible faithfully. And also please help me where can I learn biblical languages ( Greek and Hebrew) I want to memorize them as they'll help me to teach the Bible and to be selective in translations, since I'm looking for a translation that is faithful to the original language of the Bible.
We have the complete and accurate Bible in English. The 47 translators back in 1611 translated the Bible into English from the original Hebrew and Greek so we wouldn't have to.
The only 2 publishers left that have authentic AV1611 Bibles available for regular people like you and me are from Hendrickson or Oxford University press.
MANUSCRIPTS ARE IRELEVENT!
@@Mr-pn2eh Mr-pn2eh you deserve a smack in the face for that comment. Sources seem to indicate Erasmus added to Acts 9:5-7 therefore it is on us to research. If you are going to say "it's divine book and it preserves itself" you are a liar. No where can you find a verse states it will remain perfect in fact it does state some stooges could add or subtract from the book in they want to taste God's wrath.
P 52 John 18:31-33 and 37,38
That's a fantastic bookshelf! Like something a british aristocrat would have---Ladder and all. Winner winner chicken dinner.
PUBG lol
Hi, Mike. As you know, Bart Ehrman has published a book on Heaven and Hell. I haven't read it yet. But it seems there are some solid arguments to it, once even christians like Peter Enns have trouble believing in hell, from a historian's perspective. What's your take on it? It would be great if you, maybe with a guest of yours, could address those arguments. Good bless you!
@Michele Simmons Lewis It's true. It's not a easy thing to have our beliefs challenged. But today i personally don't believe it's a honest thing to hope they (atheists) listen to us when we are not willing to do the same with what they have to say.
@Michele Simmons Lewis I see your point, sister. But it's not an argument. It doesn't make his arguments false. We have to deal with them anyway. Do christians understand scripture? It seems a pretty dumb question, doesn't it? Until you look how many differences there are among us, on every topic imaginable. I agree that the things of God seem foolish to those who don't believe. I agree with Paul. But it's not so simple. Imagine a muslim arguing that we can't see the truth of the quran because we are suppressing the Allah's truth in rebellion? It's what many of us do with atheists and people in general. It's not so simple.
@@piano9433 “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
- Daniel 12:2 (KJV)
It's obvious there's no hell except if one has an agenda or bias to translate it into the text.
Do you see it anywhere in the OT?
SO WHICH VERSION OF THE BIBLE IS THE BEST THAT YOU RECOMMEND?
The AV1611 Bible from Hendrickson or Oxford University press are the best.
---- > If something they find is confirmation of what we already have, that is fine. However, I wouldn't add anything or take anything away from what we have already. A separate publication could be okay but I think we have what God wanted us to have already. Just because something was written in the 1st century doesn't mean it is inspired; it has to meet certain criteria that conforms to the message we already have.
I have always respected your work Mr. Licona, but I think Burgon was right when he said that those outside the historical ecclesiastical branches should not be involved in text critical studies of the New Testament since they have no understanding of the apostolic polity. To be fair to you Mr Licona, while you seem to follow this school of thought, I don't think you understand what they are really saying, and was wondering if you would be interested in talking with me privately on this issue so you can hear the other perspective from an Anglican.
I still say the KJV 1611 Oxford edition by Gordon Campbell is the best bar none Period no debating it. I spent a fortune on bibles, but that is not the trick to knowing which one is the best. It takes years of deep study and understanding the voice of God to know the one that fits what he would say. with this said even the KJV 1611 has some things translated wrong but as he said very few of the mistakes change the meaning. I have found about 4-5 big mistakes the rest just small mistakes. But good video post .
I have that same one. And you are right.
I have that Bible too and there are no mistakes.
Dan, I know you are not going to see this, but maybe someone will relay it to you. You spoke of a man who subscribed to dynamic monarchianism, but was not affiliated with the JWs, and you mentioned finding the two characteristics in one theologically speaking was rare. If you were not already aware, there is a group called "Gospel Assembly," that began in 1914, centered around the teachings of an ex Louisville Police Officer named William Sowders. He had some very strange ideas, some of which included subscribing to Dynamic Mon., Pentecostalism, Holiness, the denial of a literal hell and devil etc. All things considered, they are a somewhat large group.
Otay back. . Went to James White utube similar. Wedgied him on Twitter.
Bible nerd heaven
Yes
Why doesn't everyone just go with Codex Vaticanis and call it a day, textual criticism, while big tim interesting at times makes me want to scream, the very oldest of the manuscripts dont agree, and the damn variants are madening.
Because the 47 translators back in 1611 translated the Bible into English from the original Hebrew and Greek so we wouldn't have to learn Hebrew and Greek.
We don't need to get closer to the original because the original was already translated into English back in 1611.
The AV1611 Bible is the complete Bible.
Hendrickson and Oxford University press are the only 2 publishers left that have authentic AV1611 Bibles available for regular people like you and me.
MANUSCRIPTS ARE IRELEVENT!
40:40 That's a pretty big claim that the Renaissance was based on original writings.
The reason we care whether the New Testament is accurate is because the claim that it was written by eye-witness martyrs. Plato's writing could be later interpolations, or Plato himself a complete fabrication. It's the writing itself that is important not the writer so these are not comparable.
Codex Sianiticus it has been proved the Mark 16 ; 9-20 was in the original text, because you can see we're it has been removed Acts 8; 37 shows that it was in the Original ending of Luke 4; 4 also has been deleted. This is all to corrupt the resurrection and the Deity of Christ and to cause doughty in a believer.
Off topic but, I need to understand 1000 yr rain. Who see's YHWH and who dies in 1000 yr rain. And true cosmology . lots of theories out there. And everyone claims the have the truth on it.
What does God say about the millennial reign?
Reign
@@rayrose6937 dude that was obviously a type o lol. But thanks
People forget that Christianity was truly born in the lands of Greek Anatolia. And the gospel was spread in Greek.
@Ian Meijer Very much right
@Ian Meijer The Gospel was written in Anatolia...so yeah
@Ian Meijer For sure, but in Israel there were Jews. It was with the gentiles that the new religion emerged in the late 1st century. And the gospel writers were greek in asia minor/wrote in greek and its in their cities that christianity was born. Hence the 7 churches of the revelation.
@Ian Meijer Perhaps the ones in cities on the coast, yes, but otherwise they didn't. Moreover the gospels were not widely circulated in Judea or Syria, it really was in Asia Minor at first.
It's fascinating to see professional historians give the old "if you don't trust the Bible you need to throw out all history" with a straight face. Come on guys, you're much better than that. Just embarrassing.
This Gentleman thinks because of his education, that he knows more than God.
You have a sinned against a holy God. If you have lied, stolen, and used His name as a cuss word, you have sinned. Since He is holy, he punishes sinners in the lake of fire.
But God is rich in mercy to all who call upon Him. Jesus lived a perfect life and suffered and died on the cross for your sins, taking the punishment on Himself. He rose again on the third day after He died.
“He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
Please repent and believe in this gospel alone for salvation. Come to Jesus in faith and repentance, and God will give you the righteousness of Christ.
Mike Licano, the man is wrong, the TR comes from more manuscripts than the critical Alexandrian texts.
So because he got that wrong, how can you believe anything he says?.
Tell him to get his facts right
The one person with zero input into the manuscripts and choice of manuscripts? Jesus
Vaticanus reliable? No.
John is MARK.
How Many Authors of the 4 Gospels
were of the 12 Disciples?
4 Gospels
3 Authors
2 Disciples of the 12
Authors
1. Matthew
2. Luke
3. John Surname Mark
Disciples of the 12
1. Matthew
2. John Surname Mark
John the disciple is Also Mark,
the 2nd Gospel Writer.
3. John Surname Mark:
The Most Loved Disciple and Youngest.
Only disciple to believe Jesus rose
the 3rd dawn with out seeing
until the Eve.
Jesus mother lived with John,
John's mother is Mary
and John was commissioned
by Jesus to care for their Mother after the cross.
Writer of 2nd and 4th Gospel.
John was a fishermen.
John is Jesus Youngest brother.
John 21 24 ((This is the disciple))
which testifieth of these things,
((and wrote these things)): < [[John]]
and we know that his testimony is true.
Mark 3 17 And James the son of Zebedee,
and ((John the brother of James));
and he surnamed them Boanerges,
which is, The sons of thunder:
Acts 12 2 And he killed James
the ((brother of John)) with the sword.
[[John uses the sure name Mark
after James was slain]]
Acts 12 12 And when he had considered the thing,
he came to ((the house of))
((Mary the mother of John)),
((whose surname was Mark));
where many were gathered together praying.
Acts 12 25 And Barnabas [Joseph of Arimathea]
and Saul
returned from Jerusalem,
when they had fulfilled their ministry,
and took with them
((John, whose surname was Mark)).
Acts 15 37 And Barnabas [Joseph of Arimathea]
determined to take with them
((John, whose surname was Mark)).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. Luke The Doctor:
Not one of the 12 Disciples
Worked with Paul
Writer of the 3rd Gospel
Colossians 1 14 Luke, the beloved physician,
and Demas, greet you.
2 Timothy 4 10 For Demas hath forsaken me,
having loved this present world,
and is departed unto Thessalonica;
Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
(((((11 Only Luke is with me))))).
You have a sinned against a holy God. If you have lied, stolen, and used His name as a cuss word, you have sinned. Since He is holy, he punishes sinners in the lake of fire.
But God is rich in mercy to all who call upon Him. Jesus lived a perfect life and suffered and died on the cross for your sins, taking the punishment on Himself. He rose again on the third day after He died.
“He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
Please repent and believe in this gospel alone for salvation. Come to Jesus in faith and repentance, and God will give you the righteousness of Christ.