Matthew was a tax collector, Luke was a physician and historian, Paul was a highly educated scholar and lawyer...I guess I'm confused about where the issue is
It's the same thing as calling the writer's of the old testament, "ignorant/illiterate Bedouins". It's an Ad Hominem criticism fallacy, that tries to escape actually considering the point of the text.
Soundwave Superior that’s the problem. If you wanna know if something’s true. You read study try it and do what it says for awhile. No one does that and yet so many people claim to know Jesus is fake. It’s so dumb
For crying out loud! Matthew was a tax collector for the Romans! He had to know Hebrew, Greek and Latin! Some of these guys think too damn hard sometimes...
Gabriel Davidson they don’t know who wrote that gospel. It’s anonymous. The name Matthew was given to it by the Catholic Church over two centuries later.
@@farooqasaad8256 what part about history LITITURE and the bible did I miss!? False narrative..once again we know who wrote the bible the disciples of Christ the prophet's of GOD and Moses...oh.. I'm sorry did u not know that they were Hebrews/Aramaic so they names were not Matthew, Mark , John should I keep goin the Catholic church is just that the Catholic church Rome/Italy.. they have they Own bible and they are from the pit of hell.. the Bible was translated to English by King James Not a Catholic.. some ppl Actually read , study and know History and the bible ! Don't waste YOUR time!
The bible never says that the apostles were illiterate. The Pharisees merely meant that the apostles weren't schooled in Pharisaical training as spiritual teachers.
Jesus was a carpenter. As was his custom he went into the synagoge and he stood up to read and they handed him the book of Isaiah. Was that a miracle or could he read? Peter probably was not literate and Mark wrote for him. Papias, a student/disciple of the apostle John wrote, that the Apostle said that Matthew wrote the gospel first in Hebrew and it was then translated into Greek. Nehemia Gorden, an expert on Old Hebrew claims that the Greek of the book of Matthew is full of Hebraisms, indicating that is was translated from Hebrew.
@AmericanRelic2hear I will compile something that took nearly 40 years of comparing such statements all through history. Muhammad is thought to have been illiterate in a way he was not, and St. Anthony of the desert could read and write, but had attended no academic classes. All Jewish boys and girls could read and memorized the first five books of the Hebrew scriptures. It'll involve more than citations to show you what is clear to many that are well read on these matters. Even men that could speak, read and write in many languages and were articulate were called unschooled for lacking the certifying commendations of a verified teacher. Back then, in that society, literacy meant knowing the history of a written (and accompanying oral) tradition.
Peter Jackson I see a lot of the words “thought to have been” and “ believed to have been”. I see NOTHING in the way of hard EVIDENCE. The vast majority of people in biblical times WERE IGNORANT. Being BRAINWASHED BY PRIESTS DOES NOT IMPLY LITERACY OR UNDERSTANDING. Religion has always tried to suppress intelligence, you see INTELLIGENCE AND TRUTH ARE ANATHEMA TO THE FAIRY TALES OF RELIGION. Those in power just wanted docile, ignorant, obedient sheep, why do you think that JC referred to people as HIS FLOCK. Religious BELIEF and TRUTH are two entirely opposite concepts. STOP LYING.
@@oldedwardian1778 @@oldedwardian1778 same can be said for evolution. Anything about evolution constantly states " we think" or "we believe". there is no hard evidence for evolution
I think Zimbabwe was chosen just as a "distant country". Not literally in distance, but because Americans don't usually go to Africa. The same could be said of a lot of countries in Asia, but I think Americans are even less used to those. Perhaps Zimbabwe is one of the worst choices in Africa he could pick as such an example, haha. I don't know much about Africa, but maybe South Sudan, Zambia, and Ethiopia could be better choices to pick. But, for the sake of the argument, none of those are important, as long as the audience knows the country, but doesn't know much about education there.
Very true. God is currently teaching me words of knowledge. When reasoning with people on youtube comments I find myself going back and re-reading things over and over again in suprise of what was written, or rather what He gave me to write. One moment I'm writing some scifi verbiage and next it's philosophical. I don't know why, I'm just writting what He brings into my mind to write. My aim is always to have Him touch hearts. Obviously, I'm not perfect and my humanity takes over; still He's gracious to my learning. Even when I've messed up, He's bugged me to go back and change things. He's wonderful that way.
@@charlieboy2587 You do realize that Jesus was only half Jewish on earth right? 🙄 But . . . . your mocking aside . . . yes, God is real and He still speaks to people. He loves me and He loves you very much. You think He puts this kind of stuff in front of you for no reason? He's been after you for a while and He's not going anywhere. He's going to keep sending you messages, people, billboards and music as nudges. It's up to you, just ask Him. BIG BUT though . . . you better be sincere when you ask cuz He knows . . . He knows it all.
Who says that they were illiterate? All Jews made sure that their children were educated and were taught a trade. Now if you want to decide if someone is illiterate; start with The Prophet Muhammad.
@Najma Khan Well said. The gospels are just a bunch of narratives from the Roman establishments, and those who were aligned with establishments of the time. Now this gospel saga is a continuity even to the present day and its a pity people are loosing themselves over this false religion which they have no idea how it came to being and or they are rather choosing to ignore the truth about its origins. Its a make believe religion which gives people false hope about the so called place called Heaven and/or Hell.
@@fishdawn1804 lmao, that is thee dumbest most uneducated thing i have ever read. Lmao btw muham who's in hell was most likely a trader who got all his stories from jews while trading due to romans paid them as mercenaries of their lands. Facts is the koran is a poor pos copy of best guest memory of 1 guy even though there was 12 diff versions.
Luke was a Doctor, Matthew a Tax collector and the Apostles preached and gathered many wealthy gentile converts who probably paid for scribs to write down what they dictated. This should not give anybody reason to doubt the reliability of the Gospels and other NT writings. Some people make a living out of their own private interpretations and conjecture.
Cory C Yahweh the Source of all Creation and life, is the influencer behind all scripture! The text makes it clear that no created being is "Good" in themselves, goodness comes from it's source and it is written over and over again that Yahweh is "Good." Even the Son, Yahushua the Messiah who was led to choose Matthew the Tax collector said "Why call me good, there is only ONE good, the Father." The Bible is clear that we cannot love/serve Yahweh and Money, only one can be our Master. The New Testament indicates that the occupation of “tax collector” was looked down upon by the general populace. Yahushua said about a person who sins against a believer, yet claiming to be a believer, who remains unrepentant when corrected, to “treat them as you would a gentile or a tax collector” (Matthew 18:17). A person outside of the Faith, "The Way". The main reason is, the love of money, greed, corrupts, and it is historically known that tax collectors cheated the people they collected from. They would collect more than required making themselves wealthy at the expense of others. The Torah has much to say about fair weights and measures and Usury laws. Given the low esteem people had for tax collectors, it is noteworthy that Yahushua/Jesus spent so much time with them. The reason: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners” (Mark 2:17). "Considering the Bibles purpose is to give structure to the world it wouldnt surprise me" The Bible's purpose is to lead mankind to the Messiah the Son of Yahweh and the Son of Man, so that through him we can be "Good." Abiding in the Messiah and learning to walk as he walked causes the Goodness of Yahweh to dwell within, causing us to be Good people. Shalom/peace
+Michael Deo "This should not give anybody reason to doubt the reliability of the Gospels and other NT writings." You have no idea what the original texts contained so how can you say it's not a reason to doubt the reliability of the gospels. That, in itself, cast huge doubts as to the content and the reliability.
Cory - If you read the bible you see that every single person written about, obviously except Jesus and GOD were murders, adulterers, liars, scammers, harlots, thieves, etc. Luke 5:32 says "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."" which incidentally is every single person ever born.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Jesus is God. He calls himself the First and the Last, The beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega. These titles are only claimed by God. Jesus claims deity several times over, I rebuke every spirit of Falsehood in you in the name of Jesus Christ. You sound a lot like a Muslim you should reconsider your position. As believers our bodies are a temple of The Living God yet it is not the father living in us but the Holy Spirit. I will pray for you brother please repent and read the gospel of John correctly and not with the JW Bible because it has been changed, google it!
@John Daedalus how is slavery immoral? Humans by far are the crappiest and most selfish species on this planet and being free to do what we please has been the only reason why rape, murder, lying, and theft etc etc is a thing because we have the freedom to do such things so how do we deserve any kind of freedom just to abuse it like we do and have? The prison system in of itself is just another slavery system so slavery in of itself in no way has been abolished. How is cancer and diseases Gods fault? Why would eternal bliss be impossible? Whats so confusing about the bible?
@John Daedalus way to dodge answering the question man. You are appealing to majority practically letting others tell you what to think but regardless, there are several countries where slavery is still legal ,alive and thriving namely India which has more slaves than the population of the Netherlands. So far from what can be gathered by your comments is your argument against slavery is calling slavery immoral because its immoral which is a circular argument. An atheist i spoke with 2 months again told me "just because you don't like something doesnt mean its wrong" and that's what you currently have against slavery practically calling it wrong because you dont like it. Saying something is wrong because its wrong or because others say its wrong is not an argument. If you study the bible you would see it encouraged people to treat slaves better then most people know about slavery today. which it tells masters to give to their slaves what is just and equal. Even not to threaten their slaves. Tells them about granting slaves freedom for abuse and damages done to them and tells people to help run away slaves by not returning them to their masters and letting the slave live with them untill the slave finds a place to make his home to his liking. So there is more to slavery, especially biblically, then the strawman most atheist make it out to be. Just look at the slave version of the bible(yes that is a real thing) which takes out all the stuff i just mentioned to you and more just so the American slave owners could keep their slaves from knowing the truth which is a big reason why american slavers wanted to keep slaves illiterate. They keep slaves illiterate so they couldnt learn the truth themselves and editted out things to give slaves that could read misleading information to keep then ignorant to the truth. So back to the question. Why do you think slavery is immoral? Like i said the human race is the crappiest species on the planet so why do we deserve the freedoms we have just to keep abusing those freedoms? Cancer and diseases is only a product of consequences. Consequences are only possible because of freewill. Freewill is useless without consequences. The only way for God to get rid of consequences is to get rid of freewill and without freewill then we would be just robots. Without consequences for what's done wrong we wouldnt be able to fully appreciate things that are right. So basically complaining about consequences really only means that someone doesnt want to suffer the consequences for their own actions that they used their freewill to choose in the first place : / Eternal bliss, well we will just say heaven since that's what we are talking about here. Another circular argument you are placing by the way. Heaven is offered to all but it's not Gods fault if people don't accept. Hell is a seperation from God for those who dont want to follow God and trust Him. Hell is a choice. Hell existing in no way negates heaven or eternal bliss. Eternal bless is offered to everyone. Dispite the major flaw in your logic that doesnt include the fact that eternal bliss/heaven is offer to everyone and we will look at an example simply using the logic you are currently going with. If i have a dollar and offer it to someone else other than you and they take the dollar does that mean the dollar doesnt exist all because i didnt offer you the dollar? Of course the dollar exist!! The dollar existing in no way dependent on you being offered thr dollar so to be honest that argument against heaven is irrelevant no offense. The good ol' hundreds of thousands of denominations argument. Its only that way because of what people want versus what the bible actually says. Humans are the error not the bible here. If people, chirstains included, would actaully study and read the bible for themselves they would see how comprehensive it truly is. Again i ask what's so confusing about the bible? From the age of 10 for around 20 years i myself was an atheist.what. found in those 20 years, which through those i had the same objections like you have presented here, is that atheism in of itself comes from a more emotional side of things then it does intellectually. Your interactions in the conversation pretty much shows that. Emotions is one of the main things that causes people to react irrationally more than anythng so reallying on emotions to guide your views like the majority of atheist is a pretty irrational concept that atheist dive into. Sam harris, hitchen, matt dilahunty and even aron ra are good examples of emotionalism in the atheistic viewpoint.
@John Daedalus i don't know about you but i do my best to take care of the things i own. I don't abuse my property and there were plenty of slave owners who took care if their slaves so now you are left with the owning another person argument but you are going to have to prove how having children is wrong in order to do that. Also you eould have to prove how having prisons is wrong since prisoners are simply slaves also
@John Daedalus Psalm 14:1-3 King James Version (KJV) 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
On many things, such as the fact that he died. If he were actually God, then he could not die. Also, Jesus never claimed to be God, and the people that claim he was God just made that up themselves. There are many other proofs that Jesus was not God. Thanks for asking!
Is this a divinely inspiration? That's your Bible. Ezekiel 23:19-20 23:19 Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. 23:20 She lusted after their genitals were as large those of donkeys and their seminal emission was as strong as that of horses. Is that how your god speak? I doubt a god talking about humans comparing their dicks to those of donkeys and their ejaculations to those of horses. This is not god talking. Did you read Samuel 15:3 ? Judges 16:29-30, Judges 15:16? This actuel Bible of yours is definitely not divinely inspired. Peace
@@ultimatetruth9241 you do know the context right? That God was saying she lusted after very virile men. She absolutely revelled in their virility, and therefore she was condemned. So what is the problem? Those similes are to tell you and i WHY she lusted after them: the men were very virile. What's your issue? You make it sound as if God has a gutter mind. Clearly, He is explaining why she lusted after them. She was lusting after them because they were well hung. Let the story be a warning to promiscuous women.
@@brandonchai9318 Who talks context here??? I just quoted a verse!!!!! Why does your god need to even mention DICKS and EJACULATIONS in your Bible. And to compare men's to donkeys and horses!!!!! That's grosse. Your god is a pervert. However you wanna interpret it, it does not matter. What matters is the words used in the verses : dicks !!!! And how powerful they ejaculate!!!!! Please don't make it more embarrassing. This is not a word of a god. 😃😂🤣😂
@@ultimatetruth9241 calm down. How were the words used in context? Were they used flippantly? Or were they used as a matter of fact way? What is wrong with dicks and ejaculation? Aren't they natural? Women and men (unfortunately) do actually like them y know? What's wrong with your mind? You seem fixed onto the idea that God cannot talk about parts of the body that He created. He wasn't even being disgusting. He was telling us WHY she lived that kind of life. God was reporting. Simply. Reporting. I think it is you who needs to check himself.
@@ultimatetruth9241 are you a muslim or atheist? If atheist, i would imagine that nothing be taboo. You somehow think that Christians cannot use similes to describe virility.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
Paul studied under Gamaliel in the Sanhedrin, one of the foremost scholars of the 1st century. He was well traveled and spoke several languages fluently. Luke was a physician.
It is doubtful that Paul was a student of Gamaliel. Gamaliel taught his students not to harm the early Christians. (Acts 5:34-39) Paul did the opposite.
"Najma Khan2 minutes agoHighlighted reply According to Christian scholars 20% of Bible is the word of God. 90% is man-made written by anonymous people." *WRONG. ALL 4 GOSPELS were AUTHORED by 4 DIFFERENT PEOPLE. WE CAN DETERMINE THAT SIMPLY BY LITERARY FORENSICS. IN the 2nd, 3rd and 4th CENTURIES THERE WERE NO ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHO WROTE the GOSPELS which INDICATES THERE WERE NO ARGUMENTS or CONFUSION about the AUTHORSHIP of the GOSPELS in the 1st CENTURY. SO, IF THERE WAS NO CONFUSION about the AUTHORSHIP of the GOSPELS for ALMOST 2000 YEARS WHAT DOES THAT INDICATE? SECONDLY? DO YOU THINK PEOPLE KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT 1900 YEARS AFTER the GOSPELS WERE WRITTEN? OR DO YOU THINK THERE WAS MORE KNOWN ABOUT THIS SUBJECT WITHIN A FEW DECADES of the GOSPELS BEING WRITTEN? WHAT SEEMS the MOST LOGICAL to YOU?*
Najma Khan Muhammad raped a 9 year old, claimed to receive prophecy while wearing her clothes, Aisha was recorded as having to scrape semen from his garments so he would be clean for prayer, raped slaves, had 9 wives while other Muslims could have 4, lusted after and married his adopted son’s wife. A perverted, adulterous and sinful fake prophet
@Najma Khan Do you mean like how Islam actually teaches that if you have a child with an unbeliever you can have sex with her? Is that the incest you're talking about? Isn't it nice how it's the Bible that actually rebuked incest. Islam doesn't.
@Najma Khan Not only are you a hypocrite to even say that because Islam even teaches to have sex with your children. But, you have just given a refuted copy and paste argument which displays your dishonesty. The Bible also has records about people doing things that the Bible rebukes. Just like your Qur'an mentions the idol worshipers. If you apply the same reasoning on the Qur'an then by your own argument you are claiming the that Qur'an is teaching Idol worship.
Hawk MMA Thanks. I am reminded of something i heard....EVERY JEWISH BOY wanted to be a rabbi at the time. By the age of 6 they had already memorized more Scripture than most Christians to do in a life time. Those boys who were less apt to succeed might have been told, why dont you become a fisherman? Thats a honorable business.
So what you are saying is that Rome would entrust an illiterate person to collect taxes? Luke was a doctor. The only illiteracy and ignorance on this subject is in the present day.
we should never ever underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit many of the finest artisans / tektons / craftsmen / designers in building the Temple of Jerusalem were believed to have been empowered by the Holy Spirit how much more the Word of God / The Bible / The Holy Scriptures?
I watched this video about a month ago. I went on with life. Today I was reading in the Bible and I came across the following verses, and instantly thought of this woman's question (and other questioners in other videos.) 14¶Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught. 15And the Jews marvelled, saying, " How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?" If we can believe in the resurrection, we can believe God is powerful enough to enable people to "know letters."
Indeed, the disciples answered in a wisdom that far surpassed the pharisees, though they were not scholars. Would the people who do not believe the bible have us to REALLY believe that it be a coincidence that they ALSO do not believe the authors authenticity as if it were a separate issue ? Ridiculous argument. Was there NO convert to help them write their eye-witness accounts? There were THOUSANDS of converts... NONE would have helped them? Indeed - I would find it most curious that none would have proof-checked their work. We ALL do that. What on earth does that prove?
Axepeare and a a tax collector needs to be able to read TAX LAWS DOESN'T HE? Even if said tax collector is corrupted and steals from people, doesn't he need to KNOW THE LAWS in order to be able to efficiently break the laws? You, my friend are another SMART person...I like you
SOULSafeProductionZ That isn’t even in question among bible scholars. They were written anonymously and later, many years later, the titles “according to Mark,” etc was added. Ask any scholar.
@Nel G the 12 are not the only apostles of god ...they were with him till he died and rose up but other apostles also was called to him after his death....
Mark was a tax collector, Luke was a physician, John was educated and was known from eye witness sources to have written his works. Also, many people who could not read or write, often dictated to well educated scribes. This kind of communication was extreme common in that time.
John is described in Acts of the Apostles as unlettered which literally means illiterate. Uneducated and illiterate people did not dictate entire books for scribes to write in another language.
It is a matter of historical non-Christian factual record that while on the isle of Patmos, John indeed had the companionship of a scribe!@@tomasrocha6139
First! Yes! lol. In all seriousness, Thank you Dr. Turek for all of your videos!!!! I know that sometimes that it seems like there's a lot of atheists on here, but there are a lot of people who are Christian on here too and in the real world that defend our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST. GOD bless you Dr. Turek!!! Keep up the good work!!!!
Amen! We as believers I feel are called to have a strong online presence to be a faithful witness for the trust and faith that we have in Christ our Lord
Science-is-god. Lol. Of course GOD has unlimited powers. Of course He created the entire universe, and no, He doesn't need me to defend Him, but It's people like you who come here and scrutinize us and ask us all these questions and demand answers. So if we don't answer, it's because we don't have an answer and we're ignorant, but if we do answer, GOD doesn't need defending. Which is it. I know He's intimidating, but don't be scared homie. It's JESUS CHRIST. He died and came back to life for you.
CJ R Instead of your PSYCHO RANT OF UNSUPPORTED CRAP. Try using what small amount of brain matter you have and address REAL QUESTIONS. LIKE WHERE DID GOD COME FROM, WHO MADE GOD, FROM NOTHING COMES NOTHING. Don’t try to avoid this by harping back on the Big Bang. WHERE DID GOD COME FROM. God has always existed IS NOT AN ANSWER, IT IS UNSUPPORTED FICTION. But if UNSUPPORTED FICTION is all you can handle then I AM TRULY SORRY FOR YOU.
I think some people fail to realise how common Greek was after Alexander the great established his Hellenistic empire. If you were educated likely were taught Greek as it would make travel trade and reading books much easier. It is why the oldest copies of the New testament are Greek. Also if one apostle knew advanced Greek he could teach others. It is not that hard to learn a new language if you are committed to the task.
Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus. Acts 4:13 ESV When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus. NIV. For since, in God's wisdom, the world did not know God through wisdom, God was pleased to save those who believe through the foolishness of what is preached. God wants hearts that obey Him.
The apostles were Jewish, nearly every Jewish kid went through Bet Sefer where they would be taught skills like reading and writing. When the Sanhedrin notes that they were unschooled, ordinary men, it’s a point of how they never made it past Bet Sefer like 99% of Jewish children, yet still spoke as ones who had studied under a Rabbi. This is why they take note that they had been with Jesus. Jesus was their Rabbi. The Sanhedrin doesn’t question their literacy so much as their religious competency and education
Wasn't it the practice in that time period for a scribe to write down the verbal dictates from the author, like in the case of Paul who dictated his letters?
@John Daedalus That's a loaded question. Why can't you show a contradiction? And earlier I read a comment you made how you have evidence against God's existence. You really dug yourself a hole with that one. So how about you show us this evidence?
Even if they had been 'illiterate' (for which there is no evidence), the more amazing question is: "How can God use people, who are unversed in Scripture, asking obviously Biblically-unlearned questions, to let others now about the Good News of the Gospel found only in Jesus Christ?" (And please keep asking questions...) Praise be the Lord. Amen
Id like to hear Ehrman himself respond to Turek. It seems that Ehrman’s statement about the apostles being illiterate is more nuanced than a 5 minute video can cover
Been loving these video, I’m hoping to tackle some of these same questions people have in three mins or less. I just put my first one up on if we should take the creation story literal
@Paul Morgan We only quote him when responding to liars who misquote him. And we quote him when exposing his contradictions when he contradicts himself.
@@user-ze6wv4ye8h Exactly! Even the average child shouldn't need you to explain something so incredibly obvious.. Yet, here's someone you had to explain it to... I wonder what he has against thinking.
At 4:15, the speaker suggests the possibly that Matthew’s Gospel was originally written in Hebrew and was translated later on (word-for-word) into Greek. I’d like to support this theory by showing how Matthew’s Gospel uses a particular figure of speech that is frequently found throughout the written-in-Hebrew Old Testament, but is never used in any of the other written-in-Greek New Testament books. In the verse of Matthew 4:2, the author writes that Jesus spent "forty days and forty nights" in the desert, but when Mark 1:13 and Luke 4:2 refer to the same event, they only state that Jesus was there for "forty days" and say nothing about the nights. Later, in Matthew 12:40, the author quotes Jesus (who spoke in Hebrew) saying that since Jonah spent "three days and three nights" in the whale’s belly, so would the Son of Man spend "three days and three nights" in the heart of the earth. And yet, none of the other Gospels ever recite this particular quotation and instead quote Jesus saying numerous times that He would resurrect "IN three days" (that is, ‘within’ three days) or stating that He would resurrect ON the "third day." All too often, certain groups will try to use the verse of Matthew 12:40 to argue that the "three days and three nights" was meant to be taken as a literal 72 hours which obviously cannot be fit into the time frame of the Friday afternoon when Jesus died and the Sunday morning when He rose again. Hence, they argue that Jesus was actually killed on a Wednesday afternoon and rose again on a Saturday afternoon just before sunset. Yet, anyone who studies the scriptures properly will be able to easily recognize that the Old Testament (Hebrew) phrase of "[#] days and [#] nights" is definitely NOT meant to be literal, but is only used when describing a period of great dramatic importance or a time of great sorrow. For when examining each of the examples scattered throughout the Old Testament, we see that the "Forty days and forth nights" of rain in Genesis 7:12 were very dramatic and significant, as were the two times that Moses spent "forty days and forty nights" on the mountain with God (Exodus 24:12 to 31:18), and likewise for the "forty days and forty nights" that Elijah spent journeying to Mount Horeb while fleeing from those who would kill him (1 Kings 19:8-10). We can also recall from Job 2:13 that when Job’s three friends came to visit their inflicted friend, "they sat down with him upon the ground ‘seven days and seven nights’ and none spake a word unto him, for they saw that his grief was very great." Lastly, we can see that the "three days and three nights" where the young abandoned Egyptian was starving in the field (2 Samuel 30:12) were also days of great physical suffering, as were the "three days and three nights" that Jonah spent in the belly of the whale (Jonah 1:17). The point here is that Matthew’s Gospel was originally written for a Hebrew-speaking audience who was well-versed in the Old Testament (Hebrew) scriptures and who properly understood how such a figure of speech in that language was to be interpreted. Such an audience would have thus known that Jesus was not in the grave for a literal 72 hours and have understood that the phrase of "three days and three days" was only being used to emphasize the dramatic significance of His death and resurrection. Other audiences, however, who spoke Greek but not Hebrew, would not necessarily have understood such a figure of speech, which is why none of the other New Testament writers ever used it. When Matthew’s Gospel was eventually translated from Hebrew into Greek, it was obviously translated word-for-exact-word, which, for the most part, is a good thing. Unfortunately, the word-for-word translation of the phrase in Matthew 12:40 has been exploited over the years by splinter cults, and so I hope my words here today will help expose them for the deceivers that they are and help lead everyone to the truth.
Does the expression "forty days and forty nights" occur in the septuagint translation? If so it is possible that Matthew was originally written in Greek by somebody familiar with the Septuagint.
@@13tuyuti In answer to your question, let’s assume for a moment that the expression “40 days and 40 Nights” or “3 days and 3 nights” does indeed occur in the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament and that Matthew’s Gospel was originally written in Greek. So what? Other research has shown that Luke used the Septuagint when writing his Gospel and the book of Acts, and yet neither of these works, which were both originally written in Greek of course, ever used this expression. The reason for this is because, as I mentioned in my original posting, non-Jewish/Greek readers would have been confused by such a phrase which is why all the other New Testament writers apart from Matthew (who wrote for a specific Jewish audience), avoided using it. Hope that helps.
The Levant was brought under Greek control three centuries before the gospel were written. It was the ‘linga Franca’ of the old world. And speaking Greek was common, even the Romans spoke it regularly, saving Latin for the formal. Writing was seen everywhere. We know Jesus read, and wrote. And publishing houses were to be found in most cities.
@@blu3collar949 That's not how it works. If you make a claim the burden of proof is upon you. That's what people who have no argument say. It's what people do when they haven't looked into it. So, they try to make the other person look ignorant. So, where is the evidence? I've studied this for years, I know you don't have any reliable sources for your claims. But, I have plenty of first century sources. Greek pagan and Roman Pagan sources and Jewish sources. As well as arcelogical evidence. There's more historical sources and arcelogical evidence to support the apostles existence than the Roman empire itself.
That's actually not shocking at all. I took an African history class and a French colonized region of Africa would have been my guess. But the English regions were also educated as well. Is this literacy based on a single language or multiple different languages? And then, is this based on African or European Languages? And, how many people know multiple languages? Sorry for all the questions. It's not every day you get to learn something new and ask someone that knows first-hand knowledge about the subject.
Sorry, I thought your post was about believing some books that are not supported by historical facts. They also conradict each other (if you read them with an open mind). This leaves one avenue to use to "trust" them, that of blind faith.
Stick man Sam "@170221dn NO idea what those books not supported by historical facts are" I would expect you would have no idea. That is why it is called blind faith.
Hello there. I often watch Frank Turek, and it is always an encouragement and a blessing. Regarding this question, on the one hand, it is enough to say that Bart could not have known whether the apostles were educated or not. When Acts says that the Sanhedrin noted that Peter and John were "unschooled, ordinary men" (Acts 4:13), that is almost the same as saying that someone did not go to college today, or more correctly, that such a person is not trained in a specific way. For example, in those days, Paul was lettered or schooled because he studied under Gamaliel. There was a formal track to be taken in order to be reckoned as educated and, of course, refined and sophisticated. But that did not mean that those who didn't take it were not literate. They simply would not be considered "experts" by the "experts." To go further, as Dr Turek says here, Luke was a historian and a doctor. So, obviously he was literate. Matthew was also a tax collector. Even in those days he would possess the ability to make records and communicate to his Roman superiors. And considering that Greek was the lingua franca of the empire, there is no reason to think that he couldn't read and write Greek. And he did write his Gospel in Greek. Mark, when he was young, was associated with Paul who was educated, so he may have learned to read and write if he didn't already know how to (which is not certain that he wasn't either). Even barring that, there is no reason to assume that he could not read and write. I would say that Bart has no leg to stand on to make this argument.
Not only that what defines literacy is equally important... Intellectual ability to grasp and ability to write were the skillset required and there was nothing to establish lack of it in Gospel writers....
I just always thought because it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. I was told the disciples were illiterate, but with the Holy Spirit, all things are possible. I guess I need to study more.
Good work brother! Although you forgot to mention one thing. Peter, and Paul too if I'm not mistaken, received help from Christian amanuensis (literary assistants) to write their letters. As for the Gospels, they were probably written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John respectively.
no they were not, infact the bible says ACCORDING to... meaning their teachings or what they said or told the people. Does not say they were the writers, the authors are anonymous
Plus, John wrote his Gospel (according to Eusebius his "spiritual Gospel" ) when he was in old age. By then he most certainly acquired literacy and knowledge of Greek.
How do we know Julius Caesar wrote his commentaries (historians already attribute at least parts of them to Aulus Hirtius, a Legate under Caesar's command)? Isn't it just as likely he dictated them to Hirtius and others? After all he was a very busy man and he certainly never got to retire to an Italian Villa to write his memoirs.
Well attributing them to him isn't crazy. I mean there is evidence julius Caesar actually existed. There are busts of his likeness. Other reliable people who really existed and are not anonymous wrote about him. Countries he visited have records of him being there. The stories of Jesus have no such supporting evidence.
@@170221dn Josephus wrote about Jesus. But comparing Jesus to Ceasar, in non religious views, is like comparing you to Obama. Obama is a president who will go down in history books for many to remember while you, outside of family, no one will remember. Jesus to the world was like us, a very insignificant man. But contrary to us, Jesus changed the course of the world (Roman Empire and beyond) and many still claim he never existed. When you die, or me or your neighbor, we won't be able to change not even our own lives, muchless the world like a supposedly man that never existed did.
@@oyaml1211 "Josephus wrote about Jesus." Well no he didn't really. Have you read Joesphus? "But comparing Jesus to Ceasar, in non religious views, is like comparing you to Obama." No it is like comparing me to Santa. We know I exist. "Obama is a president who will go down in history books for many to remember while you, outside of family, no one will remember. " So what? People remember santa. "Jesus to the world was like us, a very insignificant man" Well the Jesus of the bible did not exist. The stories may have been invented around a person who actually existed, just like the stories of santa might have sprung up around a real person. "But contrary to us, Jesus changed the course of the world (Roman Empire and beyond) and many still claim he never existed. " No he didn't. It was a Roman Emperor who decided that Christianity was a good religion to use to subdue the masses that made the difference. "When you die, or me or your neighbor, we won't be able to change not even our own lives, muchless the world like a supposedly man that never existed did." Yes and in that sense Jesus is just like Mohamed or Santa or Confucius.
@@170221dn Josephus mentioned Christ. Have YOU read it? Why would a historian mention someone who didn't exist. And Christianity to subdue the masses? LOL. Why didn't he used any other religion? Romans had their own gods centuries before Christianity. Why would an Emperor use a religion that didn't have many followers at that time? You are just trying too hard now.
John was from a well-off family, the gospel of Mark states that John's father had hired servants, and Matthew and Luke lend to the possibility of John's family having money. Well-off families typically ensure a good education for their children.
Why are people fighting and debating in the comments , with God all is possible , and god can do miracles and make a person read and write if he deems it necessary. Why even question it then ?
Paul didn't write any gospels. Paul mentions little to nothing about jesus's life and Luke was neither an apostle or disciple and his gospel is at least 60yrs after jesus would've been executed. Just stating facts
Why would the Holy Spirit "inspire a death, dumb and blind man to write the gospels.", when this person could have been healed instead to lead a fruitful life?
Paul Morgan just look at the recordings of josephus flavious and his account of what he’d seen in Jesus’s life, acts, and death & resurrection..... he was a historian and objectively wrote about Jesus right when he was alive
Paul Morgan and if apparently, it’s a known fact that the people living around the apostles were illiterate, how on Earth does the fact that “no one else” besides the apostles wrote about Jesus affect the real history of what happened (even if that was true)?
is it estimated only 3% of the people under the Roman empire could write. Do the math. That's 3 in every 100. So double it again, 6 in every 100. So triple it, 9 in every 100. Get the picture? Matthew was a (dishonest) taxman for the Romans until Jesus set him straight. That means EVERYONE ELSE WAS ILLITERATE..........
Many traditions hold that John was of the priestly line, Matthew, being a tax collector would not have been illiterate, Luke was a physician. That leaves only Mark, and I’m not certain about him.
Paul, a brilliant student, was highly schooled in greek, hebrew and other languages. He spoke fluent greek to the governer and immediately spoke fluent hebrew to the people. He would have been far more capable than Luke.
This question about Greek language for the New Testament is misleading. Greek was the common international language of the day much like English is the common language of the modern era. Alexander the Greek conquered the area 300 years before the time of Christ and it became the widespread official language. Antiochus Epiphanes (164-175BC) viciously imposed Greek culture on the Israelites on pain of death. Greek was THE language of commerce during the time of Jesus. So, many 'uneducated' people were at least bilingual or better. (Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Hebrew) would be the usual order of lingual facility. Documents were often written in Greek because they would be widely understood across multiple people groups.
@@13tuyuti I would disagree, since Jesus was so well traveled, and Latin was already a very widespread language by the time Jesus was walking that part of the world; although, Greek was certainly the most commonly used in commerce.
@@RickyNicks7 The opening to Luke is in the first person while everything after is not you more ron!! Also the author never gives his name! The last chapter of John is thought to be an interpolation since the gospel ends perfectly at chapter 20! The 21st chapter ends with an UNKNOWN group of people that also were not eyewitnesses and are unknown! “The gospel authors died for writing down the gospels” where did you pull that total bs lie from? Oh right you made it up like everything else
Acts 4:13: "When [the religious leaders] saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished".
Interesting that no matter how hard the God-deniers try to discredit the word of God the truth always comes back stronger than ever. Not only by the logic and evidence presented by Frank Turek but also by posters on this thread. Thank you.
Frank Turek has asked many atheists if Christianity were true would they become a Christian? Some have said "NO". That's because "They don't want it to be true". Devdraco, if Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
Some people deny that there is a God because they don't want to be accountable to anyone on how they live their lives. But if the Christian God is true everyone will have a reckoning with Him in the near future. Robert posted that "They don't want it to be true". You asked him that he needed to back up his claim. So I posted .....READ MY POST....... I answered your question....... I posted a question to you that you haven't answered. Of course, you don't have to answer it but by not answering the question you would be answering the question.
What about the Holy Ghost coming down on them and giving them the ability to speak with tounges, would it not be possible that they could then write intelligently? I love Frank but I wish he touched on the Penticost more, but Frank is a blessing for his gospel preaching and defending Christ
Brian Clark that's my problem with this type of approach to "apologetics". They are so focused on convincing the non-believers using logic, they completely ignore the spiritual possibilities. The way Peter speaks in the gospels versus the sermons he gives in the book of Acts, we see a different man. The difference is that he is now being guided by the Holy Spirit. Why then wouldn't the Holy Spirit enable them to record these things as well?
Vivin Varghese Using God as an argument with someone who doesn’t believe in God is pointless, at best. Just so you know, the entire point of apologetics is to defend the Faith against non-believers. You may not realize this, but non-believers need more than “the Holy Spirit made it happen!” as a convincing argument. That’s why Dr. Turek uses history and logic to defend Christianity, because those defenses don’t require a presupposed belief.
D. Utley do you actually believe there is an argument that will work with someone who doesn't believe in God? Perhaps these types of answers may shut down their points of objections but I don't believe it will ever convince them of God. It may shut them up momentarily but it doesn't change the heart. I don't claim to be a theologian or scholar but my understanding from the Bible is that there is enough evidence of God around us and the lack of belief is a heart issue not a mind issue. I think that is clearly outlined in Romans. It also says in John 3:20 also says, "For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed." That seems to be the real objection. We want to live as we please so we constantly create our own versions of God (whether they call it god or not) to follow. You also said that non-believers need more than "the Holy Spirit made it happen", so how would you use logic and reasoning to explain what happened at the Pentecost to a non-believer?
If you're talking to a non-believer, you probably aren't talking about "what happened at Pentecost" in the first place. Dr. Turek deals with primarily 'big picture' issues when it comes to Christianity. If you've seen enough of his videos, you'd know that. And you'd know the kinds of questions non-believers are asking, versus the kinds of questions Christians are asking. Only a Christian would bother asking "what happened at Pentecost" because we're already part of the faith, and now we're talking about details. If I'm not sure I believe Jesus even existed (a lot of atheists are in that camp), the question of the Pentecost is pointless. It's far more fruitful to discuss the historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, or the account of the Gospels, or the early Church, or to talk about how incredible it is that the Church exploded under insane persecution, etc., or to talk about the insane number of new testament manuscripts we have and how that can't be said for any other letter in the history of mankind, and so on. My initial response was to your statement "that's my problem with this type of approach to 'apologetics.'" Well, apologetics is giving a DEFENSE of the faith. I don't think Dr. Turek needs to defend Christianity against other Christians, but he does work to defend it against skeptics and atheists, and he does an amazing job. What you seem to be looking for is not apologetics, but something else. And my faith doesn't hinge on knowing the mechanics of Pentecost, or the parting of the Red Sea, or how, exactly, any miracle happened in the Bible.
I was under the impression that most writers of the Bible-including but not limited to the Gospels-hired professional scribes to write the books for them.
So, you say most people in a remote roman province of the first century were highly Greek literate persons? How do you know that? I know you didn't say exactly that, but if it wasn't that way, how people with the profiles of the apostles could write in highly sophisticated Greek?
I did not say they were "highly Greek literate". I did say that ancient peoples were not as illiterate as Ehrman says they were. Greek was the language of commerce in the Roman Empire of the 1st century. You ask me how I know this. Check out the encyclopedia Britannica on the Roman Empire.
Many of the New Testament books were written with the use of a scribe or what we might call a secretary. As the story is told be the Gospel writer someone else is actually writing it down. Very often their knowledge of Greek was superior to the writer himself. And if you want to know how I know this as you ask me in the previous question, here's how. I have been studying these topics for the past 48 years and I hold a doctorate (Th.D.) in theology.
Many of the New Testament books were written with the use of a scribe or what we might call a secretary. As the story is told be the Gospel writer someone else is actually writing it down. Very often their knowledge of Greek was superior to the writer himself. And if you want to know how I know this as you ask me in the previous question, here's how. I have been studying these topics for the past 48 years and I hold a doctorate (Th.D.) in theology.
Since the writers of the Gospels are unknown, how can the speaker say that Luke was a doctor? He also makes the erroneus assumption that doctors were educated 2000 years ago. It wasn't that long ago that barbers acted as surgeons in the US.
1. Literacy was more common than was thought. 2. Some of them, like Peter and Paul, used believing secretaries which is noted in the scriptures themselves.
Written by the same people trying to make you believe their nonsense. That's like getting a degree accredited by an agency run by the school that gave you the degree. Worthless.
Anybody know how revelation came down?clearly not a book fly from the sky isnt??what their criteria to be chosen as someone who human should follow and learn from him.if want/will enter/hell heaven got a criteria..someone who will continue spread messange from god..didn't get selected?even what you eat/desired so..choozy or selective..if not every one can be a prophet..anyone want to became angle??
All scripture was inspired by the Holy Spirit. God spoke to & through these men of God. He chose them, He could give them any knowledge, intellect that He needed to give them to do His work.
This is the problem with books and translations , every culture feels ,expresses interprets their view point in their language and English people always interpret it different , the point still comes across, it's universal comfirmations, different strokes for different folks. I hope you got that.
Oh please, people, evolution is a fact. There are no such things as talking donkeys, talking snakes, bats are not birds, whales are not fish and your bronze age magic book got it wrong. Also, jesus can't forgive you for your sins against others. Stop dumbing down humanity. Time to grow up and move on.
So you really believe in the scientific impossibility that nothing created rocks? Then it rained on the rocks, created by nothing, long enough that they eventually turned into people?
Many don't know that Dr Luke was with The Lord from very early on and travelled with the company of men and women outside of the twelve disciples. when Judas fell and was being replaced, they chose one that had been with them from the very beginning. they had few distractions and I'm certain they understood the importance of being able to read and write.
The fact that Frank never mentioned is that the Gospels were not written in "educated" Greek. Only Luke 1:1-4 was written in literary Greek, all the rest of the four Gospels were written in the common Greek of the day. Many scholars have noticed Hebraisms throughout he Gospels.These are Hebrew ways of communicating written in Greek. There is no problem thinking Matthew (Levi) Mark, Luke and John wrote the books that bear their names.
Very poor answer to the questions as the two disciples on whose name two gospels are written, had no knowledge in greek as THEY were from rural area of Galileo where literacy was not even one pwrcent in 1 st century . More over JESUS USED Greek alphabets as alfha and omega to armaic speaking illiterate public in his speeches .very ridiculous .pl use your brain, not only taking tithes .
I saw in a website ( FIND OUT HOW GOOD YOUR BIBLE KNOWLEDGE IS) so I got excited thinking it was coming from God and got right into the questions... 1)How many books in the bible? I got so happy and answered 66 this is a piece of cake... 2) Who wrote them? I said wow this is a piece of cake and answered (The Holy Spirit, The Almighty God Jesus Christ) And they said WRONG ANSWER... so I instantly knew I wasn't talking with God.... God bless 🙏...
Ewan FromSanDiego more copies of the Bible have been made, and the Bible has been translated into more languages than any other book in the history of the world. if you don't read it, you don't have anyone to blame but yourself.
Ewan FromSanDiego the original translators to the 1611 KJV thought the Septuagint to be inspired and not a fraud. They also attribute it to Ptolemy of Egypt. The Septuagint also seems to line up more with the Dead Sea Scrolls than the Masoretic Text
The Jews of that era, as today placed great importance in being literate. Where the scripture says they were unlearned, that is by Pharisaical/Legal Professional standards.
Very good question. Christians shouldn't feel intimidated by hard questions. People who asked are just real truth seekers. The Gospel writers wrote it in the second person. If it was the disciples doing the writing, why did they wrote it in the 2nd or 3rd person?
I don't even know why you didn't even mention the Holyspirit to answer her question. The Bible is not like any other book written by scholars or intellectuals; it is written by the power of the Holyspirit. If people don't understand who the Holyspirit is, then they need to read the bible.
+Baria Teferi "The Bible is not like any other book written by scholars or intellectuals; it is written by the power of the Holyspirit. " lol.....and what proof do you have to support that silly claim?
John WAS uneducated there is no disputing this unless you want to say the bible is wrong. I find it incredibly disingenuous of Turek to ignore this verse when responding to this issue. Acts 4:13 When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.
@@EricMinimus My Bible says something different. What translation are you using? "13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and *perceived* that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus." Acts 4:13 KJV
@@GrowingWarrior Biblehub is a nice website for comparing bible versions and looking at the greek/hebrew yourself. the words translated as unlearned and ignorant in the KJV are translated as uneducated and common in the ESV. You can actually see the meaning of the the Greek words being translated yourself, they are idiōtai and agrammati.
@@GrowingWarrior A better answer to the person asking this question would have been to say that these disciples who were uneducated had other more literate men physically writing the letters they were dictating. It only says Peter and John were uneducated though, it does not say this about Luke, Mathew, or Paul.
Matthew was a tax collector, Luke was a physician and historian, Paul was a highly educated scholar and lawyer...I guess I'm confused about where the issue is
It's the same thing as calling the writer's of the old testament, "ignorant/illiterate Bedouins".
It's an Ad Hominem criticism fallacy, that tries to escape actually considering the point of the text.
And other times they wrote through other people telling them what to write... the apostles were not illiterate
The issue is Bart Ehrman. He's trying to prove the scriptures wrong.
Well said.
Soundwave Superior that’s the problem. If you wanna know if something’s true. You read study try it and do what it says for awhile. No one does that and yet so many people claim to know Jesus is fake. It’s so dumb
For crying out loud! Matthew was a tax collector for the Romans! He had to know Hebrew, Greek and Latin! Some of these guys think too damn hard sometimes...
Plain stupidity🤔
Only intellectuals would even say something like that..🤣
@@spiritualtruth1354 ...You mean ppl searching for truth? Or maybe some Jackass just being an A^*🤡??
Gabriel Davidson they don’t know who wrote that gospel. It’s anonymous. The name Matthew was given to it by the Catholic Church over two centuries later.
@@farooqasaad8256 what part about history LITITURE and the bible did I miss!? False narrative..once again we know who wrote the bible the disciples of Christ the prophet's of GOD and Moses...oh.. I'm sorry did u not know that they were Hebrews/Aramaic so they names were not Matthew, Mark , John should I keep goin the Catholic church is just that the Catholic church Rome/Italy.. they have they Own bible and they are from the pit of hell.. the Bible was translated to English by King James Not a Catholic.. some ppl Actually read , study and know History and the bible ! Don't waste YOUR time!
The bible never says that the apostles were illiterate. The Pharisees merely meant that the apostles weren't schooled in Pharisaical training as spiritual teachers.
Paul was actually a Pharisee, although I don't know if he was "trained."
Jesus was a carpenter.
As was his custom he went into the synagoge and he stood up to read and they handed him the book of Isaiah. Was that a miracle or could he read?
Peter probably was not literate and Mark wrote for him.
Papias, a student/disciple of the apostle John wrote, that the Apostle said that Matthew wrote the gospel first in Hebrew and it was then translated into Greek.
Nehemia Gorden, an expert on Old Hebrew claims that the Greek of the book of Matthew is full of Hebraisms, indicating that is was translated from Hebrew.
@AmericanRelic2hear
I will compile something that took nearly 40 years of comparing such statements all through history. Muhammad is thought to have been illiterate in a way he was not, and St. Anthony of the desert could read and write, but had attended no academic classes. All Jewish boys and girls could read and memorized the first five books of the Hebrew scriptures.
It'll involve more than citations to show you what is clear to many that are well read on these matters. Even men that could speak, read and write in many languages and were articulate were called unschooled for lacking the certifying commendations of a verified teacher.
Back then, in that society, literacy meant knowing the history of a written (and accompanying oral) tradition.
Peter Jackson I see a lot of the words “thought to have been” and “ believed to have been”.
I see NOTHING in the way of hard EVIDENCE.
The vast majority of people in biblical times WERE IGNORANT.
Being BRAINWASHED BY PRIESTS DOES NOT IMPLY LITERACY OR UNDERSTANDING.
Religion has always tried to suppress intelligence, you see INTELLIGENCE AND TRUTH ARE ANATHEMA TO THE FAIRY TALES OF RELIGION.
Those in power just wanted docile, ignorant, obedient sheep, why do you think that JC referred to people as HIS FLOCK.
Religious BELIEF and TRUTH are two entirely opposite concepts.
STOP LYING.
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@@oldedwardian1778 same can be said for evolution. Anything about evolution constantly states " we think" or "we believe". there is no hard evidence for evolution
I'm from Zimbabwe, I was shocked when he mentioned Zim... and yes it's not true, we are quite literate actually!
Thank you for saying it's not true 😌
He was giving an example and wasn't trying to offend you :)
I think Zimbabwe was chosen just as a "distant country". Not literally in distance, but because Americans don't usually go to Africa. The same could be said of a lot of countries in Asia, but I think Americans are even less used to those. Perhaps Zimbabwe is one of the worst choices in Africa he could pick as such an example, haha. I don't know much about Africa, but maybe South Sudan, Zambia, and Ethiopia could be better choices to pick. But, for the sake of the argument, none of those are important, as long as the audience knows the country, but doesn't know much about education there.
I’m from zim too and I literally burst into laughter when he said that 😂😂😂
I studied in Ch!na and Zimbabweans were the most literate people at our University.
Haha I fully came rushing to the comments, to make this point
And the Holy Spirit is the best writer
Amen.
Joshua Hart so it was a miracle?
Ghost 👻 Writer
Very true. God is currently teaching me words of knowledge. When reasoning with people on youtube comments I find myself going back and re-reading things over and over again in suprise of what was written, or rather what He gave me to write. One moment I'm writing some scifi verbiage and next it's philosophical. I don't know why, I'm just writting what He brings into my mind to write. My aim is always to have Him touch hearts. Obviously, I'm not perfect and my humanity takes over; still He's gracious to my learning. Even when I've messed up, He's bugged me to go back and change things. He's wonderful that way.
@@charlieboy2587 You do realize that Jesus was only half Jewish on earth right? 🙄
But . . . . your mocking aside . . . yes, God is real and He still speaks to people. He loves me and He loves you very much.
You think He puts this kind of stuff in front of you for no reason? He's been after you for a while and He's not going anywhere. He's going to keep sending you messages, people, billboards and music as nudges. It's up to you, just ask Him.
BIG BUT though . . . you better be sincere when you ask cuz He knows . . . He knows it all.
Who says that they were illiterate? All Jews made sure that their children were educated and were taught a trade.
Now if you want to decide if someone is illiterate; start with The Prophet Muhammad.
Muhamed was a fake.
Wow you are smart lol. Who says Muhammad was illiterate?
@@hmus41
All Muslims do.
@Najma Khan Well said. The gospels are just a bunch of narratives from the Roman establishments, and those who were aligned with establishments of the time. Now this gospel saga is a continuity even to the present day and its a pity people are loosing themselves over this false religion which they have no idea how it came to being and or they are rather choosing to ignore the truth about its origins. Its a make believe religion which gives people false hope about the so called place called Heaven and/or Hell.
@@fishdawn1804 lmao, that is thee dumbest most uneducated thing i have ever read. Lmao btw muham who's in hell was most likely a trader who got all his stories from jews while trading due to romans paid them as mercenaries of their lands. Facts is the koran is a poor pos copy of best guest memory of 1 guy even though there was 12 diff versions.
Luke was a Doctor, Matthew a Tax collector and the Apostles preached and gathered many wealthy gentile converts who probably paid for scribs to write down what they dictated. This should not give anybody reason to doubt the reliability of the Gospels and other NT writings. Some people make a living out of their own private interpretations and conjecture.
Cory C
Yahweh the Source of all Creation and life, is the influencer behind all scripture! The text makes it clear that no created being is "Good" in themselves, goodness comes from it's source and it is written over and over again that Yahweh is "Good."
Even the Son, Yahushua the Messiah who was led to choose Matthew the Tax collector said "Why call me good, there is only ONE good, the Father." The Bible is clear that we cannot love/serve Yahweh and Money, only one can be our Master.
The New Testament indicates that the occupation of “tax collector” was looked down upon by the general populace.
Yahushua said about a person who sins against a believer, yet claiming to be a believer, who remains unrepentant when corrected,
to “treat them as you would a gentile or a tax collector” (Matthew 18:17). A person outside of the Faith, "The Way".
The main reason is, the love of money, greed, corrupts, and it is historically known that tax collectors cheated the people they collected from. They would collect more than required making themselves wealthy at the expense of others. The Torah has much to say about fair weights and measures and Usury laws.
Given the low esteem people had for tax collectors, it is noteworthy that Yahushua/Jesus spent so much time with them. The reason: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners” (Mark 2:17).
"Considering the Bibles purpose is to give structure to the world it wouldnt surprise me"
The Bible's purpose is to lead mankind to the Messiah the Son of Yahweh and the Son of Man, so that through him we can be "Good."
Abiding in the Messiah and learning to walk as he walked causes the Goodness of Yahweh to dwell within, causing us to be Good people.
Shalom/peace
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+Michael Deo
"This should not give anybody reason to doubt the reliability of the Gospels and other NT writings."
You have no idea what the original texts contained so how can you say it's not a reason to doubt the reliability of the gospels. That, in itself, cast huge doubts as to the content and the reliability.
Cory - If you read the bible you see that every single person written about, obviously except Jesus and GOD were murders, adulterers, liars, scammers, harlots, thieves, etc. Luke 5:32 says "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."" which incidentally is every single person ever born.
Jim - My dog's breath smells like dog food.
Mark was a scribe, Matthew was a tax collector, Luke was a doctor.
Why wouldn't they be educated?
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Are you a JW or some other cult member?
@@mitchellc4 Jesus is God. He calls himself the First and the Last, The beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega. These titles are only claimed by God. Jesus claims deity several times over, I rebuke every spirit of Falsehood in you in the name of Jesus Christ.
You sound a lot like a Muslim you should reconsider your position. As believers our bodies are a temple of The Living God yet it is not the father living in us but the Holy Spirit. I will pray for you brother please repent and read the gospel of John correctly and not with the JW Bible because it has been changed, google it!
@@mitchellc4 actually read the Gospel first before commenting lmao
@@warlordhuo4647 ??
The truth is that those who mock God's word will use any argument to cast doubt on it.
@John Daedalus like?
@John Daedalus how is slavery immoral? Humans by far are the crappiest and most selfish species on this planet and being free to do what we please has been the only reason why rape, murder, lying, and theft etc etc is a thing because we have the freedom to do such things so how do we deserve any kind of freedom just to abuse it like we do and have? The prison system in of itself is just another slavery system so slavery in of itself in no way has been abolished.
How is cancer and diseases Gods fault?
Why would eternal bliss be impossible?
Whats so confusing about the bible?
@John Daedalus way to dodge answering the question man. You are appealing to majority practically letting others tell you what to think but regardless, there are several countries where slavery is still legal ,alive and thriving namely India which has more slaves than the population of the Netherlands.
So far from what can be gathered by your comments is your argument against slavery is calling slavery immoral because its immoral which is a circular argument. An atheist i spoke with 2 months again told me "just because you don't like something doesnt mean its wrong" and that's what you currently have against slavery practically calling it wrong because you dont like it. Saying something is wrong because its wrong or because others say its wrong is not an argument.
If you study the bible you would see it encouraged people to treat slaves better then most people know about slavery today. which it tells masters to give to their slaves what is just and equal. Even not to threaten their slaves. Tells them about granting slaves freedom for abuse and damages done to them and tells people to help run away slaves by not returning them to their masters and letting the slave live with them untill the slave finds a place to make his home to his liking. So there is more to slavery, especially biblically, then the strawman most atheist make it out to be. Just look at the slave version of the bible(yes that is a real thing) which takes out all the stuff i just mentioned to you and more just so the American slave owners could keep their slaves from knowing the truth which is a big reason why american slavers wanted to keep slaves illiterate. They keep slaves illiterate so they couldnt learn the truth themselves and editted out things to give slaves that could read misleading information to keep then ignorant to the truth.
So back to the question. Why do you think slavery is immoral? Like i said the human race is the crappiest species on the planet so why do we deserve the freedoms we have just to keep abusing those freedoms?
Cancer and diseases is only a product of consequences. Consequences are only possible because of freewill. Freewill is useless without consequences. The only way for God to get rid of consequences is to get rid of freewill and without freewill then we would be just robots. Without consequences for what's done wrong we wouldnt be able to fully appreciate things that are right. So basically complaining about consequences really only means that someone doesnt want to suffer the consequences for their own actions that they used their freewill to choose in the first place : /
Eternal bliss, well we will just say heaven since that's what we are talking about here. Another circular argument you are placing by the way. Heaven is offered to all but it's not Gods fault if people don't accept. Hell is a seperation from God for those who dont want to follow God and trust Him. Hell is a choice. Hell existing in no way negates heaven or eternal bliss. Eternal bless is offered to everyone. Dispite the major flaw in your logic that doesnt include the fact that eternal bliss/heaven is offer to everyone and we will look at an example simply using the logic you are currently going with. If i have a dollar and offer it to someone else other than you and they take the dollar does that mean the dollar doesnt exist all because i didnt offer you the dollar? Of course the dollar exist!! The dollar existing in no way dependent on you being offered thr dollar so to be honest that argument against heaven is irrelevant no offense.
The good ol' hundreds of thousands of denominations argument. Its only that way because of what people want versus what the bible actually says. Humans are the error not the bible here. If people, chirstains included, would actaully study and read the bible for themselves they would see how comprehensive it truly is. Again i ask what's so confusing about the bible?
From the age of 10 for around 20 years i myself was an atheist.what. found in those 20 years, which through those i had the same objections like you have presented here, is that atheism in of itself comes from a more emotional side of things then it does intellectually. Your interactions in the conversation pretty much shows that. Emotions is one of the main things that causes people to react irrationally more than anythng so reallying on emotions to guide your views like the majority of atheist is a pretty irrational concept that atheist dive into. Sam harris, hitchen, matt dilahunty and even aron ra are good examples of emotionalism in the atheistic viewpoint.
@John Daedalus i don't know about you but i do my best to take care of the things i own. I don't abuse my property and there were plenty of slave owners who took care if their slaves so now you are left with the owning another person argument but you are going to have to prove how having children is wrong in order to do that. Also you eould have to prove how having prisons is wrong since prisoners are simply slaves also
@John Daedalus Psalm 14:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Even if they were illiterate, jesus could basically snap his fingers and make them all literate . People dont grasp the power of god
Jesus is not God.
@@1godonlyone119 John 10:30-33; Mark 14:61-62
Still, Jesus is not God.
On many things, such as the fact that he died. If he were actually God, then he could not die. Also, Jesus never claimed to be God, and the people that claim he was God just made that up themselves. There are many other proofs that Jesus was not God.
Thanks for asking!
Jesus is not God.
Even if they WERE illiterate, all the more evidence that the Bible was divinely inspired.
Is this a divinely inspiration? That's your Bible.
Ezekiel 23:19-20
23:19 Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. 23:20 She lusted after their genitals were as large those of donkeys and their seminal emission was as strong as that of horses.
Is that how your god speak? I doubt a god talking about humans comparing their dicks to those of donkeys and their ejaculations to those of horses. This is not god talking.
Did you read Samuel 15:3 ? Judges 16:29-30, Judges 15:16?
This actuel Bible of yours is definitely not divinely inspired. Peace
@@ultimatetruth9241 you do know the context right? That God was saying she lusted after very virile men. She absolutely revelled in their virility, and therefore she was condemned. So what is the problem? Those similes are to tell you and i WHY she lusted after them: the men were very virile. What's your issue? You make it sound as if God has a gutter mind. Clearly, He is explaining why she lusted after them. She was lusting after them because they were well hung. Let the story be a warning to promiscuous women.
@@brandonchai9318
Who talks context here??? I just quoted a verse!!!!! Why does your god need to even mention DICKS and EJACULATIONS in your Bible. And to compare men's to donkeys and horses!!!!! That's grosse. Your god is a pervert. However you wanna interpret it, it does not matter. What matters is the words used in the verses : dicks !!!! And how powerful they ejaculate!!!!! Please don't make it more embarrassing. This is not a word of a god. 😃😂🤣😂
@@ultimatetruth9241 calm down. How were the words used in context? Were they used flippantly? Or were they used as a matter of fact way? What is wrong with dicks and ejaculation? Aren't they natural? Women and men (unfortunately) do actually like them y know? What's wrong with your mind? You seem fixed onto the idea that God cannot talk about parts of the body that He created. He wasn't even being disgusting. He was telling us WHY she lived that kind of life. God was reporting. Simply. Reporting. I think it is you who needs to check himself.
@@ultimatetruth9241 are you a muslim or atheist? If atheist, i would imagine that nothing be taboo. You somehow think that Christians cannot use similes to describe virility.
It amazes me how many different ways people TRY to find fault with the Word of God!
NEVER TRUST AN ISLAMIC SERPENT!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Don’t have to try at all. Actually, too easy.
... Lawrence you haven't tried very hard. It's a no brainer, try harder. Have you or anyone you know ever spoken with him? ..
anything to not take accountability for their actions
Paul studied under Gamaliel in the Sanhedrin, one of the foremost scholars of the 1st century. He was well traveled and spoke several languages fluently. Luke was a physician.
It is doubtful that Paul was a student of Gamaliel. Gamaliel taught his students not to harm the early Christians. (Acts 5:34-39) Paul did the opposite.
Paul wasnt. Saul was. Saul hunted down Christians and murdered them. When Gam. would have taught Saul it would have been BEFORE the Christian Era.
mark, none of the apostles wrote any of the gospels.
*Ya, says a totally unbiased bastard going by the ANAL-GRAM 'Louis Cyfer'*
"Najma Khan2 minutes agoHighlighted reply
According to Christian scholars 20% of Bible is the word of God. 90% is man-made written by anonymous people."
*WRONG. ALL 4 GOSPELS were AUTHORED by 4 DIFFERENT PEOPLE. WE CAN DETERMINE THAT SIMPLY BY LITERARY FORENSICS. IN the 2nd, 3rd and 4th CENTURIES THERE WERE NO ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHO WROTE the GOSPELS which INDICATES THERE WERE NO ARGUMENTS or CONFUSION about the AUTHORSHIP of the GOSPELS in the 1st CENTURY. SO, IF THERE WAS NO CONFUSION about the AUTHORSHIP of the GOSPELS for ALMOST 2000 YEARS WHAT DOES THAT INDICATE? SECONDLY? DO YOU THINK PEOPLE KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT 1900 YEARS AFTER the GOSPELS WERE WRITTEN? OR DO YOU THINK THERE WAS MORE KNOWN ABOUT THIS SUBJECT WITHIN A FEW DECADES of the GOSPELS BEING WRITTEN? WHAT SEEMS the MOST LOGICAL to YOU?*
2 Timothy 3:16 states like this: "All scripture is inspired of God."
@Najma Khan "incest" was not abnormal activity until Moses was born
Najma Khan Muhammad raped a 9 year old, claimed to receive prophecy while wearing her clothes, Aisha was recorded as having to scrape semen from his garments so he would be clean for prayer, raped slaves, had 9 wives while other Muslims could have 4, lusted after and married his adopted son’s wife. A perverted, adulterous and sinful fake prophet
@Najma Khan Do you mean like how Islam actually teaches that if you have a child with an unbeliever you can have sex with her? Is that the incest you're talking about?
Isn't it nice how it's the Bible that actually rebuked incest. Islam doesn't.
@Najma Khan Not only are you a hypocrite to even say that because Islam even teaches to have sex with your children.
But, you have just given a refuted copy and paste argument which displays your dishonesty.
The Bible also has records about people doing things that the Bible rebukes.
Just like your Qur'an mentions the idol worshipers.
If you apply the same reasoning on the Qur'an then by your own argument you are claiming the that Qur'an is teaching Idol worship.
@Najma Khan Oh! Also you have displayed your ignorance by calling Lot a prophet. Because Lot is not a prophet.
Guess what....GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT enabled the Apostles to speak in tongues they had not learned....
Right 👍👍
That is not what 'tongues' means.
Matthew/luke definitely weren't illiterate.
Hawk MMA
Thanks. I am reminded of something i heard....EVERY JEWISH BOY wanted to be a rabbi at the time. By the age of 6 they had already memorized more Scripture than most Christians to do in a life time. Those boys who were less apt to succeed might have been told, why dont you become a fisherman? Thats a honorable business.
So what you are saying is that Rome would entrust an illiterate person to collect taxes? Luke was a doctor. The only illiteracy and ignorance on this subject is in the present day.
William Procopio
Who are you talking to?
I think that William Procopio is talking about Bart Ehrman.
we should never ever underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit
many of the finest artisans / tektons / craftsmen / designers in building the Temple of Jerusalem were believed to have been empowered by the Holy Spirit
how much more the Word of God / The Bible / The Holy Scriptures?
I watched this video about a month ago. I went on with life. Today I was reading in the Bible and I came across the following verses, and instantly thought of this woman's question (and other questioners in other videos.)
14¶Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15And the Jews marvelled, saying, " How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?"
If we can believe in the resurrection, we can believe God is powerful enough to enable people to "know letters."
Indeed, the disciples answered in a wisdom that far surpassed the pharisees, though they were not scholars.
Would the people who do not believe the bible have us to REALLY believe that it be a coincidence that they ALSO do not believe the authors authenticity as if it were a separate issue ?
Ridiculous argument. Was there NO convert to help them write their eye-witness accounts?
There were THOUSANDS of converts... NONE would have helped them?
Indeed - I would find it most curious that none would have proof-checked their work.
We ALL do that.
What on earth does that prove?
MAGIC !!! Hahahahaha
Jesus is the word
Paul was literally a scholar? Paul, illiterate? 🤣🤣
So a man wrote and changed the Bibal which has over 50000 contradictions was written bh Paul the illiterate scholar 😂
@@djchef9853 Where is the contradiction?
@@galaxya6406 he listens to urban myths about the bible
based on what information you are supplying
@@richunixunix3313 Paul is a pharisies and and Paul teacher is Gamaliel is a sanhedrin the highest council in the Jew
Matthew was a tax collector! Of course he wrote it
Axepeare and a a tax collector needs to be able to read TAX LAWS DOESN'T HE? Even if said tax collector is corrupted and steals from people, doesn't he need to KNOW THE LAWS in order to be able to efficiently break the laws?
You, my friend are another SMART person...I like you
Axepeare true that
The gospels were written anonymously
Tom Anderson 81 Prove that
SOULSafeProductionZ
That isn’t even in question among bible scholars. They were written anonymously and later, many years later, the titles “according to Mark,” etc was added. Ask any scholar.
Paul the Apostle was an incredible writer. Another great writer mentioned in the bible was Apollos.
@Nel G the 12 are not the only apostles of god ...they were with him till he died and rose up but other apostles also was called to him after his death....
Mark was a tax collector, Luke was a physician, John was educated and was known from eye witness sources to have written his works. Also, many people who could not read or write, often dictated to well educated scribes. This kind of communication was extreme common in that time.
Just keep repeating the myths... that'll prove your point.
It says in bible john was unlearned meaning un
educated so where are you getting he was educated
John is described in Acts of the Apostles as unlettered which literally means illiterate.
Uneducated and illiterate people did not dictate entire books for scribes to write in another language.
It is a matter of historical non-Christian factual record that while on the isle of Patmos, John indeed had the companionship of a scribe!@@tomasrocha6139
First! Yes! lol. In all seriousness, Thank you Dr. Turek for all of your videos!!!! I know that sometimes that it seems like there's a lot of atheists on here, but there are a lot of people who are Christian on here too and in the real world that defend our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST. GOD bless you Dr. Turek!!! Keep up the good work!!!!
Amen brother
Amen! We as believers I feel are called to have a strong online presence to be a faithful witness for the trust and faith that we have in Christ our Lord
CJ R WHY DIES GOD NEED TO BE DEFENDED? I thought he was a GOD with unlimited powers.
After all he CREATED THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, OR DID HE.
Science-is-god. Lol. Of course GOD has unlimited powers. Of course He created the entire universe, and no, He doesn't need me to defend Him, but It's people like you who come here and scrutinize us and ask us all these questions and demand answers. So if we don't answer, it's because we don't have an answer and we're ignorant, but if we do answer, GOD doesn't need defending. Which is it. I know He's intimidating, but don't be scared homie. It's JESUS CHRIST. He died and came back to life for you.
CJ R Instead of your PSYCHO RANT OF UNSUPPORTED CRAP.
Try using what small amount of brain matter you have and address REAL QUESTIONS.
LIKE WHERE DID GOD COME FROM, WHO MADE GOD, FROM NOTHING COMES NOTHING.
Don’t try to avoid this by harping back on the Big Bang.
WHERE DID GOD COME FROM.
God has always existed IS NOT AN ANSWER, IT IS UNSUPPORTED FICTION.
But if UNSUPPORTED FICTION is all you can handle then I AM TRULY SORRY FOR YOU.
That the power of God! The apostles were inspired by the Holy Spirit!
I think atheists are inspired by demons in some way or another.
I think some people fail to realise how common Greek was after Alexander the great established his Hellenistic empire. If you were educated likely were taught Greek as it would make travel trade and reading books much easier. It is why the oldest copies of the New testament are Greek. Also if one apostle knew advanced Greek he could teach others. It is not that hard to learn a new language if you are committed to the task.
You just made this up to fit your blind faith narrative right?
Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus. Acts 4:13 ESV When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus. NIV.
For since, in God's wisdom, the world did not know God through wisdom, God was pleased to save those who believe through the foolishness of what is preached.
God wants hearts that obey Him.
The apostles were Jewish, nearly every Jewish kid went through Bet Sefer where they would be taught skills like reading and writing. When the Sanhedrin notes that they were unschooled, ordinary men, it’s a point of how they never made it past Bet Sefer like 99% of Jewish children, yet still spoke as ones who had studied under a Rabbi. This is why they take note that they had been with Jesus. Jesus was their Rabbi.
The Sanhedrin doesn’t question their literacy so much as their religious competency and education
Great answers and increase my faith . Why do we doubt the truth . God said he would preserve his word and has done with the King James Bible
Jesus is Lord.. Muhammad is dead.. Hallelujah 🙌
Paul was highly educated. Matthew worked for the IRS, Luke a Doctor,
lol, I would have put that Paul was a professor. Good post!!!
Hum, "worked for the IRS". ....and so you trust Matthew ??
Pail wrote the epistles, not the Gospels. You were right about Paul. He was very highly educated.
IRS wasnt a Thing back then . This is Why you cant Trust anything a Human writes . Thank God Blessed Child Didnt write a bible lol
Paul never even met Jesus so how is he even a real apostle? Your Bible doesn’t even agree on what the apostles names were, yet you are so sure....
I love the Gospels of Christ the King
Israel Reyna Is that like ELVIS THE KING.
@@brit1066 not talking about Elvis u fool
I thought that JC was a GOD or the SON of a god.
ELVIS IS KING.
@@brit1066 just like u thank science is God what a brain washed person u r
You Mean Christ the God ? So many Gods in Christianity
Wasn't it the practice in that time period for a scribe to write down the verbal dictates from the author, like in the case of Paul who dictated his letters?
@John Daedalus That's a loaded question. Why can't you show a contradiction?
And earlier I read a comment you made how you have evidence against God's existence. You really dug yourself a hole with that one.
So how about you show us this evidence?
If they were not educated it is even more amazing and miraculous .
So much in love with Frank's approach
, demeanour and patience.... The outro track tho....
Love you Frank. God bless
Even if they had been 'illiterate' (for which there is no evidence), the more amazing question is: "How can God use people, who are unversed in Scripture, asking obviously Biblically-unlearned questions, to let others now about the Good News of the Gospel found only in Jesus Christ?"
(And please keep asking questions...)
Praise be the Lord.
Amen
When the pharasies said that they were unlearned men, them being pharasies, may have meant that they were unlearned in the law.
Id like to hear Ehrman himself respond to Turek. It seems that Ehrman’s statement about the apostles being illiterate is more nuanced than a 5 minute video can cover
Been loving these video, I’m hoping to tackle some of these same questions people have in three mins or less. I just put my first one up on if we should take the creation story literal
This has to be one of the worst objections I've ever heard against the gospels.
Thank you for pointing out Ehrman's fallacies.
@Paul Morgan We only quote him when responding to liars who misquote him.
And we quote him when exposing his contradictions when he contradicts himself.
@@user-ze6wv4ye8h Exactly! Even the average child shouldn't need you to explain something so incredibly obvious..
Yet, here's someone you had to explain it to...
I wonder what he has against thinking.
God bless you brother, you are doing a great job.
Great video and responses. Good show of listening skills, patience and tact.
They were not illiterate, they were schooled 24/7
Yet they still couldn't figure out Jesus was divine, they must have been dumber than a box of rocks.
At 4:15, the speaker suggests the possibly that Matthew’s Gospel was originally written in Hebrew and was translated later on (word-for-word) into Greek. I’d like to support this theory by showing how Matthew’s Gospel uses a particular figure of speech that is frequently found throughout the written-in-Hebrew Old Testament, but is never used in any of the other written-in-Greek New Testament books.
In the verse of Matthew 4:2, the author writes that Jesus spent "forty days and forty nights" in the desert, but when Mark 1:13 and Luke 4:2 refer to the same event, they only state that Jesus was there for "forty days" and say nothing about the nights. Later, in Matthew 12:40, the author quotes Jesus (who spoke in Hebrew) saying that since Jonah spent "three days and three nights" in the whale’s belly, so would the Son of Man spend "three days and three nights" in the heart of the earth. And yet, none of the other Gospels ever recite this particular quotation and instead quote Jesus saying numerous times that He would resurrect "IN three days" (that is, ‘within’ three days) or stating that He would resurrect ON the "third day."
All too often, certain groups will try to use the verse of Matthew 12:40 to argue that the "three days and three nights" was meant to be taken as a literal 72 hours which obviously cannot be fit into the time frame of the Friday afternoon when Jesus died and the Sunday morning when He rose again. Hence, they argue that Jesus was actually killed on a Wednesday afternoon and rose again on a Saturday afternoon just before sunset.
Yet, anyone who studies the scriptures properly will be able to easily recognize that the Old Testament (Hebrew) phrase of "[#] days and [#] nights" is definitely NOT meant to be literal, but is only used when describing a period of great dramatic importance or a time of great sorrow. For when examining each of the examples scattered throughout the Old Testament, we see that the "Forty days and forth nights" of rain in Genesis 7:12 were very dramatic and significant, as were the two times that Moses spent "forty days and forty nights" on the mountain with God (Exodus 24:12 to 31:18), and likewise for the "forty days and forty nights" that Elijah spent journeying to Mount Horeb while fleeing from those who would kill him (1 Kings 19:8-10). We can also recall from Job 2:13 that when Job’s three friends came to visit their inflicted friend, "they sat down with him upon the ground ‘seven days and seven nights’ and none spake a word unto him, for they saw that his grief was very great." Lastly, we can see that the "three days and three nights" where the young abandoned Egyptian was starving in the field (2 Samuel 30:12) were also days of great physical suffering, as were the "three days and three nights" that Jonah spent in the belly of the whale (Jonah 1:17).
The point here is that Matthew’s Gospel was originally written for a Hebrew-speaking audience who was well-versed in the Old Testament (Hebrew) scriptures and who properly understood how such a figure of speech in that language was to be interpreted. Such an audience would have thus known that Jesus was not in the grave for a literal 72 hours and have understood that the phrase of "three days and three days" was only being used to emphasize the dramatic significance of His death and resurrection. Other audiences, however, who spoke Greek but not Hebrew, would not necessarily have understood such a figure of speech, which is why none of the other New Testament writers ever used it.
When Matthew’s Gospel was eventually translated from Hebrew into Greek, it was obviously translated word-for-exact-word, which, for the most part, is a good thing. Unfortunately, the word-for-word translation of the phrase in Matthew 12:40 has been exploited over the years by splinter cults, and so I hope my words here today will help expose them for the deceivers that they are and help lead everyone to the truth.
Does the expression "forty days and forty nights" occur in the septuagint translation? If so it is possible that Matthew was originally written in Greek by somebody familiar with the Septuagint.
@@13tuyuti In answer to your question, let’s assume for a moment that the expression “40 days and 40 Nights” or “3 days and 3 nights” does indeed occur in the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament and that Matthew’s Gospel was originally written in Greek. So what? Other research has shown that Luke used the Septuagint when writing his Gospel and the book of Acts, and yet neither of these works, which were both originally written in Greek of course, ever used this expression. The reason for this is because, as I mentioned in my original posting, non-Jewish/Greek readers would have been confused by such a phrase which is why all the other New Testament writers apart from Matthew (who wrote for a specific Jewish audience), avoided using it. Hope that helps.
The Levant was brought under Greek control three centuries before the gospel were written. It was the ‘linga Franca’ of the old world. And speaking Greek was common, even the Romans spoke it regularly, saving Latin for the formal.
Writing was seen everywhere. We know Jesus read, and wrote. And publishing houses were to be found in most cities.
Just came to point out that literacy in Zimbabwe is actually high, 😉😉, u wud be surprised
Matthew was a tax collector, he certainly was literate. Paul was a scholar...they were all literate, except for maybe Peter
What evidence do you have? Less than 1% of the population could read or write.
@@blu3collar949 How could a Doctor or scholar be illiterate?
@@user-ze6wv4ye8h because none of the people in the bible existed. That's how
It is documented history. Google it and stop being lazy.
@@blu3collar949 That's not how it works. If you make a claim the burden of proof is upon you.
That's what people who have no argument say.
It's what people do when they haven't looked into it. So, they try to make the other person look ignorant.
So, where is the evidence?
I've studied this for years, I know you don't have any reliable sources for your claims.
But, I have plenty of first century sources.
Greek pagan and Roman Pagan sources and Jewish sources.
As well as arcelogical evidence.
There's more historical sources and arcelogical evidence to support the apostles existence than the Roman empire itself.
Zimbabwe has one of the highest literacy rates in Africa. Over 90%
That's actually not shocking at all. I took an African history class and a French colonized region of Africa would have been my guess. But the English regions were also educated as well. Is this literacy based on a single language or multiple different languages? And then, is this based on African or European Languages? And, how many people know multiple languages? Sorry for all the questions. It's not every day you get to learn something new and ask someone that knows first-hand knowledge about the subject.
Wow. What a great answer for a tricky question.
What is your view on Aramaic supremacy of the NT? Is it possible that some were written in Aramaic?
Interesting stuff! We can definitely trust what the four Gospels are saying :-)
Hmm.
With blind faith you can trust anything
*@170221dn* Interesting point, yet irrelevant to my post :-)
Sorry, I thought your post was about believing some books that are not supported by historical facts. They also conradict each other (if you read them with an open mind). This leaves one avenue to use to "trust" them, that of blind faith.
*@170221dn* NO idea what those books not supported by historical facts are. Maybe you commented on the wrong post :-)
Stick man Sam
"@170221dn NO idea what those books not supported by historical facts are"
I would expect you would have no idea. That is why it is called blind faith.
Hello there. I often watch Frank Turek, and it is always an encouragement and a blessing.
Regarding this question, on the one hand, it is enough to say that Bart could not have known whether the apostles were educated or not. When Acts says that the Sanhedrin noted that Peter and John were "unschooled, ordinary men" (Acts 4:13), that is almost the same as saying that someone did not go to college today, or more correctly, that such a person is not trained in a specific way. For example, in those days, Paul was lettered or schooled because he studied under Gamaliel. There was a formal track to be taken in order to be reckoned as educated and, of course, refined and sophisticated. But that did not mean that those who didn't take it were not literate. They simply would not be considered "experts" by the "experts."
To go further, as Dr Turek says here, Luke was a historian and a doctor. So, obviously he was literate. Matthew was also a tax collector. Even in those days he would possess the ability to make records and communicate to his Roman superiors. And considering that Greek was the lingua franca of the empire, there is no reason to think that he couldn't read and write Greek. And he did write his Gospel in Greek. Mark, when he was young, was associated with Paul who was educated, so he may have learned to read and write if he didn't already know how to (which is not certain that he wasn't either). Even barring that, there is no reason to assume that he could not read and write.
I would say that Bart has no leg to stand on to make this argument.
Not only that what defines literacy is equally important... Intellectual ability to grasp and ability to write were the skillset required and there was nothing to establish lack of it in Gospel writers....
I can do all things through the SPIRIT of Christ that strengthens me .
Have you tried walking on water?
I just always thought because it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. I was told the disciples were illiterate, but with the Holy Spirit, all things are possible. I guess I need to study more.
Luke Paul, James and Matthew 100% weren’t, mark Peter Jude and John aren’t using tradition
The Holy Spirit?
@El Güero Tamaulipeco the Spirit within is what moves us.
Good work brother! Although you forgot to mention one thing. Peter, and Paul too if I'm not mistaken, received help from Christian amanuensis (literary assistants) to write their letters. As for the Gospels, they were probably written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John respectively.
no they were not, infact the bible says ACCORDING to... meaning their teachings or what they said or told the people. Does not say they were the writers, the authors are anonymous
Ever heard of reciting the Gospel to a person who would then write it?
Plus, John wrote his Gospel (according to Eusebius his "spiritual Gospel" ) when he was in old age. By then he most certainly acquired literacy and knowledge of Greek.
Just like Biden. Such a sharp mind at such an old age.
Different spirits directing them. John most certainly wasn’t a pedophile who pawed little girls.
How do we know Julius Caesar wrote his commentaries (historians already attribute at least parts of them to Aulus Hirtius, a Legate under Caesar's command)? Isn't it just as likely he dictated them to Hirtius and others? After all he was a very busy man and he certainly never got to retire to an Italian Villa to write his memoirs.
Well attributing them to him isn't crazy. I mean there is evidence julius Caesar actually existed. There are busts of his likeness. Other reliable people who really existed and are not anonymous wrote about him. Countries he visited have records of him being there.
The stories of Jesus have no such supporting evidence.
Interesting that you can say with certainty, "he certainly never go to retire..." How do your know???
@@170221dn Josephus wrote about Jesus. But comparing Jesus to Ceasar, in non religious views, is like comparing you to Obama. Obama is a president who will go down in history books for many to remember while you, outside of family, no one will remember. Jesus to the world was like us, a very insignificant man. But contrary to us, Jesus changed the course of the world (Roman Empire and beyond) and many still claim he never existed. When you die, or me or your neighbor, we won't be able to change not even our own lives, muchless the world like a supposedly man that never existed did.
@@oyaml1211
"Josephus wrote about Jesus."
Well no he didn't really. Have you read Joesphus?
"But comparing Jesus to Ceasar, in non religious views, is like comparing you to Obama."
No it is like comparing me to Santa. We know I exist.
"Obama is a president who will go down in history books for many to remember while you, outside of family, no one will remember. "
So what? People remember santa.
"Jesus to the world was like us, a very insignificant man"
Well the Jesus of the bible did not exist. The stories may have been invented around a person who actually existed, just like the stories of santa might have sprung up around a real person.
"But contrary to us, Jesus changed the course of the world (Roman Empire and beyond) and many still claim he never existed. "
No he didn't. It was a Roman Emperor who decided that Christianity was a good religion to use to subdue the masses that made the difference.
"When you die, or me or your neighbor, we won't be able to change not even our own lives, muchless the world like a supposedly man that never existed did."
Yes and in that sense Jesus is just like Mohamed or Santa or Confucius.
@@170221dn Josephus mentioned Christ. Have YOU read it? Why would a historian mention someone who didn't exist. And Christianity to subdue the masses? LOL. Why didn't he used any other religion? Romans had their own gods centuries before Christianity. Why would an Emperor use a religion that didn't have many followers at that time? You are just trying too hard now.
John was from a well-off family, the gospel of Mark states that John's father had hired servants, and Matthew and Luke lend to the possibility of John's family having money. Well-off families typically ensure a good education for their children.
Why are people fighting and debating in the comments , with God all is possible , and god can do miracles and make a person read and write if he deems it necessary. Why even question it then ?
First off Apostles like Paul and Luke weren't illiterate. Regardless the Holy Spirit could inspire a death, dumb and blind man to write the gospels.
Paul didn't write any gospels. Paul mentions little to nothing about jesus's life and Luke was neither an apostle or disciple and his gospel is at least 60yrs after jesus would've been executed. Just stating facts
Hehe well said
Why would the Holy Spirit "inspire a death, dumb and blind man to write the gospels.", when this person could have been healed instead to lead a fruitful life?
Well the gospels were written by literate people, it’s just we don’t know who they were. Those names were assigned in the first two centuries.
"...but the truth still comes through..." Amen!
2:30 “I didn’t have a problem with the illiteracy, but with [the idea that they were not illiterate].” 🤦🏻♂️
How did you know the apostles were illiterate?
Paul Morgan how is that true at all
Paul Morgan just look at the recordings of josephus flavious and his account of what he’d seen in Jesus’s life, acts, and death & resurrection..... he was a historian and objectively wrote about Jesus right when he was alive
Paul Morgan and if apparently, it’s a known fact that the people living around the apostles were illiterate, how on Earth does the fact that “no one else” besides the apostles wrote about Jesus affect the real history of what happened (even if that was true)?
@Paul Morgan And who are these Christians who say that?
is it estimated only 3% of the people under the Roman empire could write. Do the math. That's 3 in every 100. So double it again, 6 in every 100. So triple it, 9 in every 100. Get the picture? Matthew was a (dishonest) taxman for the Romans until Jesus set him straight. That means EVERYONE ELSE WAS ILLITERATE..........
They weren’t illiterate and above all the Holy Spirit superimposed God’s will on the scripture.
Many traditions hold that John was of the priestly line, Matthew, being a tax collector would not have been illiterate, Luke was a physician. That leaves only Mark, and I’m not certain about him.
For his burden is light &
According to HIS will.
Luke another apostle who never met Jesus, there’s a bit of a theme here.
name the apostles who never met Jesus
Mathew John Paul met Jesus...Luke and mark to their information from peter.
Didn't Luke write for Paul? Luke was a Doctor with good grammar/ Paul had direct revelation from Jesus himself, what a combo.
Paul, a brilliant student, was highly schooled in greek, hebrew and other languages. He spoke fluent greek to the governer and immediately spoke fluent hebrew to the people.
He would have been far more capable than Luke.
Paul was a scholar and very well educated anyway
Great response!
That’s why Matthew is the first book in the New Testament. Keeps the Jews reading. Thx again Frank
This question about Greek language for the New Testament is misleading. Greek was the common international language of the day much like English is the common language of the modern era. Alexander the Greek conquered the area 300 years before the time of Christ and it became the widespread official language. Antiochus Epiphanes (164-175BC) viciously imposed Greek culture on the Israelites on pain of death. Greek was THE language of commerce during the time of Jesus. So, many 'uneducated' people were at least bilingual or better. (Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Hebrew) would be the usual order of lingual facility. Documents were often written in Greek because they would be widely understood across multiple people groups.
It is almost certain that Jesus spoke in at least three languages; Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew, and probably Latin, as well. Peace
@Najma Khan Wow. There's literally nothing in your statement that is historically correct.
@Najma Khan The Quran you have today was canonized in 1924.. Who wrote it?
@@dougoverhoff7568it's not probable at all that Jesus spoke Latin. It's more probable that he didn't.
@@13tuyuti I would disagree, since Jesus was so well traveled, and Latin was already a very widespread language by the time Jesus was walking that part of the world; although, Greek was certainly the most commonly used in commerce.
James the Less translated Matthew's Hebrew Gospel to Greek.
Lmao wrong, you're full of BS. Matthew the apostle did not write a gospel and James the Less did not know Greek
@@HistoryandReviews Who wrote Matthew?
Do you have a source for this?
@@aaamenpreacher3 who wrote any of the gospels? Answer: We don't know they're all written in the THIRD person
@@RickyNicks7 The opening to Luke is in the first person while everything after is not you more ron!! Also the author never gives his name!
The last chapter of John is thought to be an interpolation since the gospel ends perfectly at chapter 20! The 21st chapter ends with an UNKNOWN group of people that also were not eyewitnesses and are unknown!
“The gospel authors died for writing down the gospels” where did you pull that total bs lie from? Oh right you made it up like everything else
Acts 4:13: "When [the religious leaders] saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished".
The illiteracy rate in Zimbawe is 88.6% according to UNESCO, your assertion that 90% illiteracy was't true was spot on.
Interesting that no matter how hard the God-deniers try to discredit the word of God the truth always comes back stronger than ever. Not only by the logic and evidence presented by Frank Turek but also by posters on this thread. Thank you.
Some people just can't help it. They don't want it to be true.
Robert Lombardo That is an interesting claim. Can you back it up?
Frank Turek has asked many atheists if Christianity were true would they become a Christian? Some have said "NO". That's because "They don't want it to be true". Devdraco, if Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
Charlie Cobra What does the question I have asked Robert have to do with Christianity?
Some people deny that there is a God because they don't want to be accountable to anyone on how they live their lives. But if the Christian God is true everyone will have a reckoning with Him in the near future. Robert posted that "They don't want it to be true". You asked him that he needed to back up his claim. So I posted .....READ MY POST....... I answered your question....... I posted a question to you that you haven't answered. Of course, you don't have to answer it but by not answering the question you would be answering the question.
What about the Holy Ghost coming down on them and giving them the ability to speak with tounges, would it not be possible that they could then write intelligently? I love Frank but I wish he touched on the Penticost more, but Frank is a blessing for his gospel preaching and defending Christ
Brian Clark I was literally, just saying this to myself
Brian Clark that's my problem with this type of approach to "apologetics". They are so focused on convincing the non-believers using logic, they completely ignore the spiritual possibilities. The way Peter speaks in the gospels versus the sermons he gives in the book of Acts, we see a different man. The difference is that he is now being guided by the Holy Spirit. Why then wouldn't the Holy Spirit enable them to record these things as well?
Vivin Varghese Using God as an argument with someone who doesn’t believe in God is pointless, at best. Just so you know, the entire point of apologetics is to defend the Faith against non-believers.
You may not realize this, but non-believers need more than “the Holy Spirit made it happen!” as a convincing argument. That’s why Dr. Turek uses history and logic to defend Christianity, because those defenses don’t require a presupposed belief.
D. Utley do you actually believe there is an argument that will work with someone who doesn't believe in God? Perhaps these types of answers may shut down their points of objections but I don't believe it will ever convince them of God. It may shut them up momentarily but it doesn't change the heart. I don't claim to be a theologian or scholar but my understanding from the Bible is that there is enough evidence of God around us and the lack of belief is a heart issue not a mind issue. I think that is clearly outlined in Romans. It also says in John 3:20 also says, "For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed." That seems to be the real objection. We want to live as we please so we constantly create our own versions of God (whether they call it god or not) to follow. You also said that non-believers need more than "the Holy Spirit made it happen", so how would you use logic and reasoning to explain what happened at the Pentecost to a non-believer?
If you're talking to a non-believer, you probably aren't talking about "what happened at Pentecost" in the first place. Dr. Turek deals with primarily 'big picture' issues when it comes to Christianity. If you've seen enough of his videos, you'd know that. And you'd know the kinds of questions non-believers are asking, versus the kinds of questions Christians are asking. Only a Christian would bother asking "what happened at Pentecost" because we're already part of the faith, and now we're talking about details.
If I'm not sure I believe Jesus even existed (a lot of atheists are in that camp), the question of the Pentecost is pointless. It's far more fruitful to discuss the historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, or the account of the Gospels, or the early Church, or to talk about how incredible it is that the Church exploded under insane persecution, etc., or to talk about the insane number of new testament manuscripts we have and how that can't be said for any other letter in the history of mankind, and so on.
My initial response was to your statement "that's my problem with this type of approach to 'apologetics.'" Well, apologetics is giving a DEFENSE of the faith. I don't think Dr. Turek needs to defend Christianity against other Christians, but he does work to defend it against skeptics and atheists, and he does an amazing job. What you seem to be looking for is not apologetics, but something else. And my faith doesn't hinge on knowing the mechanics of Pentecost, or the parting of the Red Sea, or how, exactly, any miracle happened in the Bible.
I was under the impression that most writers of the Bible-including but not limited to the Gospels-hired professional scribes to write the books for them.
They did it via Zoom.
People Need to Stop bashing The Bible and Wake Up and Understand that The Bible is The Living Word of God and All Truth!!
They had a literate helper who helped them who’s name was the Holy Spirit
Exactly! most believers forget it,if not they wouldnt ask.
They weren't illiterate anyway
The Apostles were not illiterate and most people in the ancient world were not illiterate. To say this as Bart E. Does is very non historical.
So, you say most people in a remote roman province of the first century were highly Greek literate persons? How do you know that? I know you didn't say exactly that, but if it wasn't that way, how people with the profiles of the apostles could write in highly sophisticated Greek?
I did not say they were "highly Greek literate". I did say that ancient peoples were not as
illiterate as Ehrman says they were. Greek was the language of commerce in the Roman Empire of the 1st century. You ask me how I know this. Check out the encyclopedia Britannica on the Roman Empire.
Many of the New Testament books were written with the use of a scribe or what we might call a secretary. As the story is told be the Gospel writer someone else is actually writing it down. Very often their knowledge of Greek was superior to the writer himself. And if you want to know how I know this as you ask me in the previous question, here's how. I have been studying these topics for the past 48 years and I hold a doctorate (Th.D.) in theology.
Many of the New Testament books were written with the use of a scribe or what we might call a secretary. As the story is told be the Gospel writer someone else is actually writing it down. Very often their knowledge of Greek was superior to the writer himself. And if you want to know how I know this as you ask me in the previous question, here's how. I have been studying these topics for the past 48 years and I hold a doctorate (Th.D.) in theology.
@@rev.j.rogerallen9328 So, fishermen could write in a highly sophisticated Greek in the first century Palestine?
Since the writers of the Gospels are unknown, how can the speaker say that Luke was a doctor? He also makes the erroneus assumption that doctors were educated 2000 years ago. It wasn't that long ago that barbers acted as surgeons in the US.
1. Literacy was more common than was thought.
2. Some of them, like Peter and Paul, used believing secretaries which is noted in the scriptures themselves.
Written by the same people trying to make you believe their nonsense. That's like getting a degree accredited by an agency run by the school that gave you the degree. Worthless.
Lest ye forget, ALL Holy Ghost inspired.
Wouldn't Jesus know who was literate or illiterate before He chose them as disciples?
MichaelDisciple
Jesus doesn't call the qualified, he qualifies the called.
Anybody know how revelation came down?clearly not a book fly from the sky isnt??what their criteria to be chosen as someone who human should follow and learn from him.if want/will enter/hell heaven got a criteria..someone who will continue spread messange from god..didn't get selected?even what you eat/desired so..choozy or selective..if not every one can be a prophet..anyone want to became angle??
All scripture was inspired by the Holy Spirit. God spoke to & through these men of God. He chose them, He could give them any knowledge, intellect that He needed to give them to do His work.
This is the problem with books and translations , every culture feels ,expresses interprets their view point in their language and English people always interpret it different , the point still comes across, it's universal comfirmations, different strokes for different folks. I hope you got that.
Oh please, people, evolution is a fact.
There are no such things as talking donkeys, talking snakes, bats are not birds, whales are not fish and your bronze age magic book got it wrong.
Also, jesus can't forgive you for your sins against others. Stop dumbing down humanity.
Time to grow up and move on.
Shhhh, don't tell them. How else would Frankie find enough ignorance and gullibility to make a living?
So you really believe in the scientific impossibility that nothing created rocks? Then it rained on the rocks, created by nothing, long enough that they eventually turned into people?
ANSWER: GOD
Nothing is impossible for God. God gives men knowledge.
Many don't know that Dr Luke was with The Lord from very early on and travelled with the company of men and women outside of the twelve disciples. when Judas fell and was being replaced, they chose one that had been with them from the very beginning. they had few distractions and I'm certain they understood the importance of being able to read and write.
The fact that Frank never mentioned is that the Gospels were not written in "educated" Greek. Only Luke 1:1-4 was written in literary Greek, all the rest of the four Gospels were written in the common Greek of the day. Many scholars have noticed Hebraisms throughout he Gospels.These are Hebrew ways of communicating written in Greek. There is no problem thinking Matthew (Levi) Mark, Luke and John wrote the books that bear their names.
Very poor answer to the questions as the two disciples on whose name two gospels are written, had no knowledge in greek as THEY were from rural area of Galileo where literacy was not even one pwrcent in 1 st century . More over JESUS USED Greek alphabets as alfha and omega to armaic speaking illiterate public in his speeches .very ridiculous .pl use your brain, not only taking tithes .
I saw in a website ( FIND OUT HOW GOOD YOUR BIBLE KNOWLEDGE IS)
so I got excited thinking it was coming from God and got right into the questions...
1)How many books in the bible?
I got so happy and answered 66 this is a piece of cake...
2) Who wrote them?
I said wow this is a piece of cake and answered (The Holy Spirit, The Almighty God Jesus Christ)
And they said WRONG ANSWER...
so I instantly knew I wasn't talking with God....
God bless 🙏...
The Jews learned Greek because they studied the Bible using the Septuagint which was in Greek.
Septuagint is a fraud, and came long after Christ's ministry. You can look up the errors in the Septuagint that prove this.
P Harrison don’t be fooled. Look at the errors. They copied it well after Christ ministry.
Ewan FromSanDiego more copies of the Bible have been made, and the Bible has been translated into more languages than any other book in the history of the world. if you don't read it, you don't have anyone to blame but yourself.
Ewan FromSanDiego the original translators to the 1611 KJV thought the Septuagint to be inspired and not a fraud. They also attribute it to Ptolemy of Egypt. The Septuagint also seems to line up more with the Dead Sea Scrolls than the Masoretic Text
KJV Bible only. Thanks.
The Jews of that era, as today placed great importance in being literate. Where the scripture says they were unlearned, that is by Pharisaical/Legal Professional standards.
Very good question. Christians shouldn't feel intimidated by hard questions. People who asked are just real truth seekers. The Gospel writers wrote it in the second person. If it was the disciples doing the writing, why did they wrote it in the 2nd or 3rd person?
I don't even know why you didn't even mention the Holyspirit to answer her question. The Bible is not like any other book written by scholars or intellectuals; it is written by the power of the Holyspirit. If people don't understand who the Holyspirit is, then they need to read the bible.
Is that not curcular?
+Baria Teferi
"The Bible is not like any other book written by scholars or intellectuals; it is written by the power of the Holyspirit. "
lol.....and what proof do you have to support that silly claim?
Only then and never again since huh?
170221dn
Lol you’re everywhere. You hate God so much. You just can’t get away
Rick Smith
The word of God
Paul , Mathew , Luke , John are not uneducated .
John WAS uneducated there is no disputing this unless you want to say the bible is wrong. I find it incredibly disingenuous of Turek to ignore this verse when responding to this issue. Acts 4:13 When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.
@@EricMinimus My Bible says something different. What translation are you using? "13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and *perceived* that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus." Acts 4:13 KJV
@@GrowingWarrior Biblehub is a nice website for comparing bible versions and looking at the greek/hebrew yourself. the words translated as unlearned and ignorant in the KJV are translated as uneducated and common in the ESV. You can actually see the meaning of the the Greek words being translated yourself, they are idiōtai and agrammati.
@@GrowingWarrior A better answer to the person asking this question would have been to say that these disciples who were uneducated had other more literate men physically writing the letters they were dictating. It only says Peter and John were uneducated though, it does not say this about Luke, Mathew, or Paul.
The words of a judge at a courthouse aren't written by himself but by a typist, but we still believe that.
I feel we have all been raptured up in very trivial issues.