Welding on new grousers vs buying new dozer track pads | Which ones more cost effective?
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- čas přidán 29. 02. 2024
- We Jump all in restoring the undercarriage on the Dresser TD-25G. We go into detail to if its cost effective to regrouser the pads vs buying new! See what we found out! Plenty more to come on this dozer!
We used 1/4" Lincoln Excaliber 7018 rods for the main pass welds and @NSARC .035 to tack on the bars and weld the ends
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For all you people out there that say these kids are spoiled and get everything handed to them, I'll bet 90% of your kids haven't done a honest day's work in their life! These boys will be successful in anything they decide to do because the parents instilled a work ethic early in life! Thank you once again for raising productive human beings!
Thanks!
He is raising men not boys!
What if they are like my son that has B cell all that a type of cancer that effect the bone and blood we have been in and out of the hospital for the last 4 years and stays last as long as 9 months at a time but yes I’m giving him every thing that was the deal I made god to keep him here with us
@@thomasleonard1846that right he his
@@williamhseatejr5463peace be with you and yours William.
Great to see a documented, accurate comparison without being full of assumptions and opinions. I think its great that you are teaching your sons a trade that could turn into careers for them. We need skilled trades people to replace an aging workforce. As always, C&C Equipment continues to work at a higher level. Good job Clint!
It warms my old heart to see your sons working with you Clint. You are blessed.
One of the things I love about this chat is Clint imparting his wisdom, experience and work ethic on his boys. We should all have cool Dads like that.
Everything you show I have done. I used to burn 50 lb of these welding rods every night building massive steel roof trusses. I could smash the steel truss with my 5 lb hammer and 90 % of the flux would pop off. Man can you put the metal down with rod. I did this from 3:00 pm to 12:00 am while I was in College. I went right to bed and was in class at 7:00 am. I think I learned more working with these old guys who done this job for years than I learned in College. I was a certified welder and I was eventually put in charge of welding inspection. Thank God I made friends with all those old timers before this happened. I helped every one of them to take the certification test and we were 100% certified facility.
Finally someone on CZcams running a real man’s rod and a real machine. God I’ve ran thousands of pounds of 7/32 and 1/4” 7018 and 7024. 18 years of working on above ground petroleum storage tanks. Wish My company bought me a cool welding hood like that 😉
And actually let the machine idle and cool off before shutdown. Mister Clint knows a little more than I originally thought. Even ran the passes outside in. 👏👏
@@erikcourtney1834 ya, dont let his youtube persona fool anyone, he is a pretty slick nickel at many things and his welding knowledge seems to be up there with the good weldors from what ive seen out of him. His boys are coming along too, especially ol smiley lil Tucker. If he keeps after it, he is gonna be a very very good weldor.
@@warrenmichael918 your right. Definitely more to this group that meets the eye. Of course CZcams is CZcams. But anyone that has any sense can see beyond the cameras. I’d love to spend a day with them in the shop. I’ll probably learn something good. I might even teach them something. If you beyond the point of learning then your doing it wrong, or it’s time to find another career. Mostly likely the first option.
Back in the early 90's I had a air fed welding hood and it was so comfortable to use when welding.
Normally used 3.25mm or 4mm welding rods.
I worked at Norwegian Aker off-shore yard building oil and gas platform rigs.
@@erikcourtney1834 I agree with that.
Man you can see how much power that welder is putting out when he strikes an arc and all the cables jump as the current goes through it all!🤯😳‼️
I am looking at the screen of my WAY-WAY-WAY-BACK machine. About 50 years ago, I worked for a Caterpillar Dealership in Corpus Christi, Texas. Our rail and roller shop would break down the entire rail, removing the pads and pressing the pins and bushings out of the track links. The rails would be reassembled using the old links, by pressing in new pins and bushings. When the rail was reassembled, the rail was laid flat and a sub-arc automated welding system was used to build up and restore the wear surfaces. The pad grousers were replace also using a sub-arc set up by laying the pads on their edge so that the sub-arc would have a flat surface to work on, then were flipped over to finish the other side of the weld.
Rollers were torn apart, and were set up on a sub-arc machine to build up the wear surfaces, then reassembled with new bearings and races as required. Because of all the interstate construction during this time, the shop was running 10 hours a day, six days a week.
The channel has great content.
Watching the children learn the business is the way to go. Want to keep passing on the institutional knowledge and try to make generational wealth.
This is how you do it..
Great stuff as always ❤
Chris those guys are no longer “children” they are men!😂 just saying
Indeed they are !
I am always impressed by Tucker's welding! That young man has some talent!
I’ve learned more about heavy iron from your channel than just about anywhere else. I’m 71, retired, and will quite likely never need to use any of this information. And I DON’T CARE!
In the late 1950's and 60's, I wasn't much for book learnin. 😀 But, we had shop classes and I wouldn't trade one minute of the time spent in those classes for anything. The young men that you have working in your shop are getting a education that will be with them the rest of their lives. Thank you for doing what you do.
hi guys being an expipeline welder for British gas late 80s i can totally agree stick welding faster and a lot stronger than any wire feed welder thanks for the video good to watch and your boys are dam fine welders congrats 👍👍👍
Nice welding job, men! Us Ironworkers call those 1/4” rods wombats! We plated a foundry floor in front of the furnaces with 1-1/2” plate. We used 1/4” rods to fill the bevels that joined the plates together. The welding lead insulation would melt because it got so hot! After watching this video, I’m definitely going to go with the weld on grouser extensions vs new pads on my D6! Thanks for video, Clint!
I am really impressed on how you are teaching your sons about the work that you do. It appears that they are willing students. The experience that they are gaining will be valuable as they age even if they decide to not follow that route later on. From my experience, I can say that they will look back on the days working with their father with fond memories.
I hav'nt see 1/4 7018 in 30 years...Thanks C&C for posting the big boy welding job...Best process [SMAW 7018]for those HI Mang Steel Tracks 💪💯✔
2 rods per pass. Love it. If memory serves working 7018 1/4 rods, turn the heat way up, strike an arc, and shove the rod in. EZ PZ.
That 1/4 inch 7018 is some slick stuff, especially when you a machine that can run efficiently.
Of course having quality, consistent, skilled people who can run a good solid pass, an absolute must.
Great job fellas!🤙
Good value in traditional welding techniques and this is why we see this work is a valuable tool for 😅 training professionals in welding! Good job!
Your boys are a credit to you, Clint
Most youngsters these days want cash but not dirty hands
Your boys deserve massive credit for their efforts 👍
And here we thought the boys just used the wire feed machines....Quite a bit of difference in the two. Great job by all....Keep the videos coming!!!
If it's a wash better to keep the wages in the family😉
Thanks for the shout out Clint 👍
Did you happen to watch an Aussie video by The Jackson Brothers, a farm in Australia? The father put grouser bars on one of their D11s. He made a fixture to hold multiple welding rods at once to minimize his welding passes. Worked pretty good.
What a great learning experience for Hunter. Nothing beats this type of repetition on a major welding project to perfect technique and consistency in handling the materials properly.
Clint, thanks for going over what it actually takes to do a job like that. As a fabricator/business owner I’m well aware of the time it takes however there are many people out there that have no idea the amount of time & work it takes to do work like this “correctly” Well Done!
I learned to weld on a dairy farm in Colorado at a young age. I flew cargo jumbo jets worldwide for a living and am now retired in Florida. I had a great life and got to see the world and my health is good. I will be turning 70 in a few months. Blue Sky's.
Great job boys, the welds look impressive. I would think a lot less labor, welding versus replacing pads. Thanks for another great video.
Great job looking good Hunter and Tucker 👍
Not to many kids at your age can say they welded 1/4" rod!
The boys have done an amazing job on that Dozer 👏
You are teaching the work ethics and responsibility. 😊 Thanks for sharing! 😊
Your Sons did a great job welding! I know that you are very proud of them! Best wishes.
Clearly the experience gained by the boys is worth more than the cost of materials
A long and tedious job welding all of those grouser bars on. Clint have you ever used PALCO rods. They were costly but did a great job. They used to make a cast iron they actually welded and held. That was 30 years ago when I bought and used them. Both of your sons are very talented and there welding skills are second to none. Beautiful weld beads. Great video and a joy to watch. God Bless.
Having done this the most important is have the 500 amp machine. The pads will be stronger. Performed this on a 375 Komatsu dozer for a company I worked for. Get the precuts and preheat the rods. Wire feed unless you are set up for production is a bad choice . Love to see your young men working with you. Spot on and stay safe!!!
I am curious why you feel that wire feed would be a bad choice? Some 5/64 NS-3M appears to be a good fit for this application, and would have been much faster.
G'day Clint. We used to put our welding rods in an oven @50 to 60© in winter to help the rod flow better.
Melt the welding cables leaving them coiled on the machine 3:56 I saw the mess it made on a portable petrol welder back in the 1980s
Same issue if you don't fully unwind a electrical mains drum extension when using a heavy load.
My dad back in the early 1960 worked in the UK welding buckets for Chaseside Engineering Company Ltd before JCB purchased in 1968?
Great video
Now there is a new word and 'thing' for my vocabulary - grouser - so that's what that bit is called. Excellent opportunity for the boys to weld and for all to see if the project is profitable. Experience is so valuable for life and making good decisions.
I am utterly amazed at how well them boys can weld! I'll tell you what I know places that shipyards and aircraft factories and like that that I know the guys there can't well like them boys do. I'm going to tell you what they got a career anywhere they want to go!
Hearing how welders cannot do a good job at shipyards is quite alarming!
Very nice test case and great to see the old IH/Dresser/dresta iron being saved. Thank you.
Enjoy all your videos. That sure is nice to see all that training your boys are getting with you. It’s a wide spectrum from engines to welding to fabrication to computers in machines. They are going to have a wealth of knowledge as they continue into life. Keep up the great work and videos.
ABSOLUTELY AWESOME AMAZING WORK FROM BOTH OF UR SONS. VERY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE AT EVERYTHING UR SONS DO. AGAIN CONGRATULATIONS HERO ON JOB WELL DONE. U AND WIFE ARE VERY PROUD MOTHER & FATHER.
Love the no talkie intro!!!! The sound of work and silence is awesome
Your boys are becoming seasoned welders. That in it self is an impressive trade. So many great comments on this video speaks to respect they all have for you, your sons and your business. Thanks for another great one.
Good place to get experience on welder for sure dozer is be hooked up
so nice seeing your lads working with you one skilled welder working there a well hard learned skill.
3-2-24 it was in my queue to watch, but waited a few days. That big blue is a badass welder by the way. But the right way for the kind of work y'all do. But a little overkill for anything small. Enjoy. I have a older Miller 225G with a onan, and a Millermatic 252, along with a Thunderbolt ac/DC 225 and love using all of them.
Great welding school!
It’s truly amazing what you have done Clint.
You took to young boys and turned them into men.
People that we need to respect because in my opinion they have earned it and it’s all because of you sir.
All the continued success in your life professional and personal.
It’s people like you that make me believe there is still hope for the youngsters still coming up.
Much respect!
I have exactly the same job on the same machine to do when me and my son have time to get around to it. We used to use 1/4" 7018, for doing grouser bars, but found that 1/4 7024 runs a little faster and is easier to get all the way to the edge without blowing out a crater. Washington alloy is a little less expensive and runs just as good as the Excalibur rod. That's a big time consuming job that will really help the boys develop those skills. It's really good for those young men to be in the shop developing a skill set that will provide for them and their future families for many years to come. It's good to see young guys who are working and helping build the family business instead of partying and causing trouble like most kids are doing nowadays. You are raising them right by having them take part in all that you do. They will go far in life and be very successful.
Clint, this was a great video showing the results of young men that were taught a great trade! Great job Tucker and Hunter! You da man Kevin! Take care and I’ll see y’all down the road…
Back in 82 we had a rep come to our welding class and offer us a job doing just what you did and was willing to pay $20 an hour!!! That was Dr/Lawyer money back then ;-)
They just couldn't keep welders cause it was SOOO BORING!!!
Great job gentlemen!!!
Tucker's red truck debt is slowly being paid off 😁
Great work young men.
Kevin's Supervisory role is what he loves best,apart from Santa.
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You got that right!! 💕 he’s making a dent in his debt. 😂😂 thanks for the Tucker compliment and Kevin is a “SUPER”visor for sure. He’s the best!
Was once a welder for a mobile home manufacturer, we had to “ camber “ the frames so when the load of putting the wood on it, the frame would straighten out. Had a piece of wood stuffed into the stinger to move your hand back around a foot to get away from the heat. Similar rod, similar heat. Would provide a controlled heat source and the frame was on horses to bend the I beams. Hot work especially in Phoenix’s summer months 😢
And of course those boys learning good work ethic have their friends coming along and learning with them. Best school those kids could come to and Clint lets them get their hands dirty learning. Good deal all around.
Another brilliant video, Clint. Love the ethos of a proper family run business, and the boys are doing amazing work
Kevin Has his Hands in his pockets With every one else Working ! I Can Not Believe that !
You saved money and it was good experience for the boys...It was a win win!...
Oh I know what dunking the stinger in a bucket is all about. Used to weld 7024 they were 1/4 rods, we had boxes and boxes of them from auction sales. I was 16 back then working for my old man pouring rods my hand was a claw at the end of the day. I'm ambidextrous welder, a south paw I can weld with my right hand I'd swap back and forth. Our shop my family owned we had 3 phase welders so I could weld all day. Mig welding is new to me I learned old school back in the mid 90s stick welding was the welding process of choice.
If you can instill and impart even 60% of your knowledge and abilities to the next generation, they will be fortunate!
I love welding new grouser bars on. Hate the grinding, cutting and tacking. But once you get to the part of just burning 7018s for a day I love it. Good job with your boys. Successful men raise successful children. They will go far.
Excellent video on the grouser's !👍Boston wise guy 🇱🇷🇮🇪🦉
Have you thought about doing a cost study on re-grousing a set of pads off of the dozer? It seems like it would be an easier process individually, off the track, and on a bench. Then create a full replacement set out of good old stock (In your spare time). Then when someone wants you to re-grouse the track pads, just swap the pads with your stock ones and repeat. It may save you time and labor when the machine is onsite. Again may be worth a performing the cost study.
Practice makes perfect. Those young men (your kids) are awesome Clint. Hope they keep the interest going. I learned on 7018. It was so easy to weld with. Then I took welding classes with a wire feed. First time wire feed. I liked the stick better. It’s old school but…and that’s all I got to say. There’s place for every tool. Thanks for another great video. Take care and stay safe.
great video! love seeing your boys working in your shop!
You are correct in saying that the stick welding process produces a stronger weld as the penetration of the weld pool is far greater than MIG 🏴👍🏻
Its awesome that your boys are so involved.
I swear I like watching what you do
Thanks for the information. Great job!
Very good cost analysis guys ,,, love the info
Great job , thanks for all these informative videos 👍🏻
Great video. Appreciate the hard work.
Welds look consistent flat and correct heat range.Hunter has the knowledge and touch it takes to be a reliable welder! On the elevator/ Scrapers I work on the slober bits wear quite fast , there 3x3 solid stacked 3 high on a 3x14x12" plate bolted on the side of the can each side of the blade to keep you straight when your cutting ,so it takes 3/8 " rod at 400 amps so I know Bout the stinger getting warm, next time hunter has occasion to usethe1/4 " rod see if he can get a bit of 7028 flat in position it flows and undercutting isn't A problem. It has a look of a machine weld submurged Arc and hangs in with the metal until it wears out .the grouser material is only way to go, nothing else will stand up to abrasion and pressure keep up the great content thanks again
Like you said, you've got to have the right equipment before you start. 350 amps! In the one clip you could see the cables jump when he struck an arc. Those boys can weld! Our climate in Wisconsin is a little cooler than yours and that job would fit well into an off season make work job. As always great informative video! Thanks😊 (I've never seen a 1/4" rod):)
My first time to see the grouser replaced on the pads, learn something new everyday
Tucker lays down some good welds and love those fresh air welding hoods they have on and Clint you do an amazing job of raising those boys
That’s a pretty cool comparison. Really enjoying this series.
Them guys get after it, Tucker and Hunter being men of few words shows in the amount of work they get done while still being in school. I did a 955 for my dad and I can attest to the amount of work this is ..and it’s nowhere near as much welding as a TD-25 track. The boys have bright futures if they’re willing to put out hard work at this age.
Your guys did a great job
Great job Clint. Have a great weekend.
Great job on the welding
Glad to see you using 7018 rods
Hard work pays off
Tucker is definitely a class act when it comes to welding, mind you the rest of the team aren't too bad either. 😎 Like the comparison on costs, very interesting it appears also that if your going to weld on the propper grousers like you have, its going to work out better economically especially in the long term because you won't be revisiting it anytime soon. It was interesting seeing that dozer parked next to the truck, they both look like they are from the Land of the Giants, if you remember that series just like me your old! 🤣😂
Great Job tucker and hunter!
We used to have a 5 gallon bucket of water handy to cool the stinger when welding with 1/4" 7018. I wore foundry gloves which are a white insulated glove. You can also get them with a reflective cover.
Great video! Good to see kids learning a trade!
As always, I find your videos fascinating, Clint. Your kids are a chip off the old block.
thanks for the price breakdown. excellent work there fellas!
Pretty proud of your labor...
Big job well done guys
The boys did great job welding great job great video thanks Clint and Kevin and Tucker and Hunter
Awesome, thank you for sharing and teaching, your explanasion are awesome, always a pleasure watch your project with your team 👍👍👍👍
The boys did an excellent job on the grousers.
I had that same Miller welder on my work service truck an it’s a beast! 👍🏼
Another great video. Kudos on the welding hood. 👍❤️📹😃
wow just WOW great work clint tucker and hunter really awesome job guys
Awesome! I never knew you could re-cap dozer tires
Great video! 👍
Your son is doing an awesome job.
Very helpful discussion on pros and cons and cost difference. Valuable information.