Undercoating a vehicle with Fluid Film & spray gun
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- čas přidán 1. 12. 2016
- Getting my daily driver ready for on Ohio winter means spraying the underbody and suspension with Fluid Film. Not sponsored, just sharing what has worked best for me, for 10+ years now.
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Spray Gun: amzn.to/3FCSfvo
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It's really satisfying watching fluid film go on for some reason.
It really is, making everything so shiny.
From the UK:
I have been applying semi-permanent rust inhibitors (in business) for over 50 years & have tried various products. My preferred, which appears similar in consistancy to your Fluid Film, is a Valvoline Product - as was used by our armed services, Tectyl 508 and this provides good protection. I believe it had a 5 year protection spec between applications although that was 1970's data spec.
It is about £40 or $55, - 5 litres, here, just now.
One point I would raise with you, if I may, is that my product should not be sprayed over rubber components, especially flex brake hoses as it can soften them.
You don't mention if this care applies to Fluid Film.
I notice you use a similar trolley jack to mine. I have a length of 3x2 which fits between the saddle and the front axle of the jack - just in case!
You have an excellent video and procedure to help others maintain their vehicles.
Thank you & best from the UK.
Now that's how man should care about his ride. Upon seeing this, liked n subscribed.
Thank u for this men great video blessings to u my friend
thank you my amigo= my friend, amazing video,good bless you
Applying FF too...also in Ohio. Probably good to find a nice dry gravel road afterwards to seal it in with dust. My Uncle in Canada did exactly that and his cars looked great!
Absolutely - great tip!
I would use an additional jack point in back just in case although I think you had 3 in front. Check the official car's service manual for jack points for safety. Great video for the application of this stuff. Thanks for posting :)
Check the official car's service manual for jack points for safety.
Wanted to do this to my truck this year but didnt get a chance :/ come springtime i need to go under it for a good cleaning and paint, then start a undercoat regiment with this stuff.
Great video thanks for taking the time to explain things
Line the floor with old cardboard next time.
I'm impressed! I'm also the dude who bought your SSR competition wheels!! Car has been sold with the wheels sadly. Just looking to FF my GTi now and here we meet again...
Hey, small world! I had to look at your uploads for any videos of your car with the SSR's because I kind of miss them!
@@6thGearGarage the wheels were everything I wanted since 2001 or my high school years. The sale was immediate otherwise the wheels would've been in my possession still. To top it off I dont think the buyer cared for them as he mentioned he was changing out the Koni/Eibach, wheels, and adding a body kit to the IS300. If you've got instagram I'll request you to show a picture of the set up!
@@stepsidelandscapinglawnsol3093 I do, 6th_gear ... Thanks!!
Great video nice to see someone care about their vehicle
Thank you for the video! Did you notice a softening of your factory underbody coating like some have reported? Thanks again!
I did not notice any softening of the factory undercoating, but I didn't test it either.
Some vehicles have a rear bumper that rusts out under the plastic covers, so I would always remove the plastic covers if you can't see inside that cavity. Vans are notorious for this, or at least the ones I've owned!
Yes great advice... my 2006 TSX had this problem as well, but I didn't know until I removed the front bumper cover.
The atomizer gun is quite amazing, it actually sprays that thick of a substance
It came with a Morton spray on truck bed liner kit from ~15 years ago, so it's made to spray some thick material.
Good job, take care of your vehicle. Most people don’t!
I drive upside down so salt never hits bottom of car.
Thanks, I will give that a try!
becareful with putting jacks on the back. E brake only holds the rear tires... Lol i learnt this the hard way on my brz, when i dropped the front of the car on a slight incline and my car started to roll
Yeah, I hate working on an incline... sketchy. Almost had the same thing happen once.
Pinyi Zhang or front ramp with pair of tire Jack s in back for cars most truck's sit kind high.
Getting ready to do the same to my 95 Tacoma 4x4. So...does fluid film stay oily??? or dry kinda waxy??? I like your videos!
It's oily at first, but I suggest taking a drive down a gravel/dirt road to make dust stick to the fluid film, helping it become thicker and stick longer to your vehicle.
Actually FF can make rubber/synthetic gaskets and parts expand, so careful where you spray.
What about Marvel mystery oil? I sprayed a few spots on my truck with flat black rustolium paint and still there after 2 years.
Never tried it before
Thumbs up. How do you feel about CRC, 342, Coroseal and Farm Equipment paint. Heard Fluid film can be knocked off, but it's great for inner frame, doors etc.
I haven’t used the crc 342, but I’ve had good experience with anything else by crc
Just a heads up to anyone working with Fluid Film - it is THIXOTROPIC. That means the longer it sits the thicker it gets. That's why it looks like pudding the next time you open the can. I don't think stirring will make it liquid again. I think the only thing that will is a paint can shaker.
Good point! I think it gets thicker too in cold weather.
Couple of questions:
What sprayer did you use?
What air compressor did you use (HP? SCFM?)
Thanks
Simon Lu Simon Lu the sprayer came with a Morton spray on Bed liner back in the early 2000's. There's no part number on the gun itself; it's just a cheapo gun for hosing on the bed liner. My compressor is a 4hp 20 gal deVilbiss, older model, probably from early 90's. I use around 40 psi when spraying the fluid film.
Did you do the door panels and above the wheel wells?
Looks really good how much is the set up (not including product)looking to get my own
Compressors can be cheap or expensive. I'd go 20 gallon or larger. Mine is 20 gallon but it;s made for spraying paint, so the output is very good. The spray gun was let over from a spray on bed liner kit, so it was free.
Thanks for not using terrible music ; )
Best thing to do after is drive up and down a dusty dirt road or a construction zone when they are grinding up the road before paving. The milling dust, That is the best stuff for rust protection, it sticks and doesn't come off and it's like all oil and tar and gnarly rubber and stuff
Should do bottoms of the doors strut towers and everyrhing possible underneath should coat the hell out of it comming from us in vt where they salt the shit out of the roads i have a 2010 3/4 gmc crew cab and i use almost 2 gallons undercoating it the way that you spray outside the holes is how the whole underside of my truck looks
Thanks for the DIY video. I moved to the rust belt from west coast and needed this kind of indoctrination.
Do you find that every year is enough and what kind of cleaning did you perform ahead of your application?
Yes, I do this late fall of every year and it lasts through the winter. I don't do any special cleaning prior to application.
Krown Ohio - start going there
www.krown.com/locations/united-states/ohio/
Ff is plant based, lanolin oil, aka not "toxic"
Also, plastic bags over brake discs prevent accidents and allow you to spray closer to the brakes
It's not plant based.
@@easyas314 sorry, it comes from sheep. Animal based. Point is, it's non toxic, so no need to worry about skin contact.
Thanks for your great video. It appears your spraying most everything. My question is are there any parts or components of engine,brakes, or drivetrain that must be avoided as not to damage them? Is it possible to put "too much on"? Thanks
Hi, I don't know an exact answer, as I don't represent Fluid Film. However, I would avoid getting any on the engine belts and I don't spray the rotors. It seems ok on everything else. I find that when I spray too thick, it will start to sag or run.
Thanks again, will buy some and give it a go.
Hi TJ,
sorry we just saw this video (Thank you for uploading 6th gear also) we recommend avoiding the brakes and exhaust components. it will not harm the vehicle but will smoke off. if there is any over-spray it can simply be wiped with a clean cloth.
Getting it on the Exhaust just a little bit won't "hurt" it per say, but it definitely will stink like hell and probably smoke a bit as it burns off when the exhaust gets hot. Their IS the (probably slim) possibility of the coating catching on fire (more likely to happen on the hottest exhaust sections, such as the Catalytic converter or header/manifold.) Generally the farther away from the engine (I.E. down stream) the cooler the pipe stays, and the lower the chance of fire is, but it can take much longer to burn off the stink.
Personally I would avoid this issue as thoroughly as possible by wrapping the exhaust system in rags or cardboard just like painters in a house cover over furniture to keep it protected from accidental over spray or roller splatter.
After using fluid film for a few years now, I feel you want to avoid anywhere there’s gaskets. It softens and stretches out gaskets. Also Cv boots and things
I live in Ohio too lol, I am fixing up a 1984 Blazer 4X4 and I have to do a frame swap on it and I figured since I had the Body off id go ahead and POR 15 the frame so it will never rust again...… but that stuff your using, How is it ???
Fluid film is a different category than POR15. The POR15 is more of a paint to put on the metal, meant to be permanent. The Fluid film is more like a thick oil that will eventually wash off. I apply Fluid film before each winter because it seeps into all the nooks and crannies, displacing moisture and creating a barrier over the metal to protect from salt. I'd do POR15 1st, then Fluid Film before each winter. I did exactly that in this video: czcams.com/video/5DY-SfQZyZU/video.html on my 85 Toyota.
Yepp. Ohio here. Time to spray down my SHO.
What year SHO?
@@6thGearGarage 2015. My pride and joy.
@@cleettaurus8637 I like the new SHO's a lot. I'm glad Ford came back strong after the 3rd gens. Good luck keeping it rust free in Ohio... plenty of fluid film!
thanks for nice video. do you also spray exhaust pipes?
The exhaust gets hot enough to burn it off, so there's no need to spray the exhaust. But if some does get on the exhaust, it's alright.
So did you modify your gun to spray it I was debating on using a harbor freight gravity feed gun I normally spray p.o.r 15 thru cheap sandblaster
A regular paint gun won't work well, needs to be an undercoating gun. There's a link to an adjustable undercoating gun similar to mine in the description.
How do you prep the car. Washing. What about in the holes? How clean does it have to be? Anything that you can't spray?
I've never done anything to prep the car for fluid film. After I apply it, I take the car down a gravel road so that dust/dirt will stick to the fluid film, making it thicker and helping it bond to the metal better.
Hi. Is Dry Coat Rust Preventative a good product to undercoat a new vehicle to protect and prevent rust? Would it protect from a harsh New England winter. If so could you explain how to apply it properly to the undercarriage. If not what is the best product or service for undercoating a vehicle. I looked up several services Krown, Ziebart, Corrision Free, WoolWax & Fluid Film. The reviews were horrible for Ziebart, Krown not so great, Corrisiion free so-so, and the others seemed o.k. I bought Cry Coat Rust Preventative to spray on the rotors as i seen some videos from car detailing guys saying it is great for that. Now i need to know the safest best product or service for undercoating a vehicle and how long it would last in a harsh New England winter with all the elements. Thank You
I have not tried Dry Coat before. But anything is better than nothing at all.
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How has this held up over the years? Thinking about doing this. Did you power wash under the car first?
It's not a permanent coating, but meant to be applied before each winter. No need to wash the car first. After application, it's best to drive down a dusty road and that actually bonds to the fluid film and helps it last longer.
Can you brush it on? Or maybe one of those pump sprayers or regular spray bottle
It would be a long messy job to brush on and I think it's too thick for a garden sprayer or spray bottle. You'll need a air compressor.
So should a person not wash under carriage after snow storms?Or will it withstand power washing.
When freshly applied, a power washer will remove the fluid film. After applying, I find it helps to drive on gravel roads and the dust will bond to the fluid film, causing it to become dryer and harder. This treatment will make it more resistant to water.
Id be very careful spraying around your brakes, if grease makes its way onto your rotors/pads, youre in trouble.
Great video. I've been fluid filming with aerosol cans for a couple years but I want to step up my game.
Is the gun from harbor freight or available on Amazon? Any chance you could post a link? Thanks!
The gun is actually leftover from an old Morton Spray-on Truck bed liner kit. Because it was made for spraying a thicker material, sometimes I have to adjust sometimes because it's shooting out too much Fluid Film. I think any automotive paint gun will do, no need for a fancy/expensive one.
Here ya go man I found a actual fluid fill spray gun amzn.to/2fWEng0
Mach5sun regular spray gun works just kick up the pressure. A top load spray gun may be better as on the bottom feed once you get to a quarter tank you may tilt it to a point where it will not feed, ask me how I know. One gallon is plenty for two cars. I did my Altima and Caravan in the summer and after many carwashes here in North Jersey the fluid film is still doing its job. Second coat this spring should go on easy.
They make fluid film dedicated spray guns with flexible wands that spray 360 degrees, it's for the inside of tube frames and doors. They work pretty well and you can get a kit for less than 100 dollars
What is the best sprayer to use on Fluid Film? Will HVLP Siphon Feed from Power Fist Brand work?
I used a gun for spraying undercoating, since FF is thick. There's a link to the gun in the description.
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Those door panels rot from the inside out. Might want to find a way to get inside them too. Also would want to find a way to get inside the rocker panels too
Most vehicles have holes with plugs. If not you have to determine if you want to drill access holes and fit plugs. Listen to the hollow metal as you knock it. If it is consistent sound it usually means the metal is still strong. If you hear different pitches or it feels soft (of course) you have rotting inside the rocker.
I have not had the doors rust out before, but now I have a car from up north that could. Thanks for mentioning this!
What about protecting the vehicle from the inside - quarter panels, doors, rocker panels? Lots of cars I see rust from the inside in these areas and you only notice it when the paint on the outside begins to bubble.
I've done this on my 85 Toyota, unfortunately it was a while back and didn't get any video. I still need to do this on my TSX. Its a good way to ensure that every spot welded seam is protected.
Today, I received the Fluid Film Pro kit with sprayer, hoses, plugs, drill bit, and two gallons of product. Hope to do the inside and outside of my 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee sometime this week.
Fluid Film sells long, flexible wands that attach to the nozzle of their aerosol cans. Makes it real easy to get the stuff into cavities, inside doors etc. The most dangerous rust is the kind you don't see until it eats through the metal. It's god stuff except that it doesn't stick on very long making annual (if not seasonal) applications necessary.
What size air compressor are you using to spray the FF. Any guidelines on how much CFM, PSI or gallon tank is necessary to adequately get it to atomize and spray evenly?
I have a 20 gal compressor. I set the regulator to around 40 psi and adjust the spray nozzle from there. Keep in mind, I'm using a spray gun that was designed for bed liner (thicker than fluid film), so it's coming out a lot heavier than it would with a traditional paint gun.
Good to know, I'll start at 40 psi and work up from there.
Hello 6th Gear Garage
I have a
Old Webster Twin Cylinder, 1HP , oil lubricated Air Compressor ( 7gallon tank roughly)
I have No regulator.
Would that be enough to run a Automotive Undercoating Gun?
Hi,
I'm not really sure. You might want to check in the owner's manual to see what that model is capable of. Worst case, you just might need to take frequent breaks to allow the tank time to refill, if the compressor cannot keep up.
i4Ni C fluid film recommends 90PSI with their gun
make easy for your self jack car right up hight put on jacks
By the looks of how dirt sticks to it on your shocks, seems like a bad idea for inside three bottoms of doors
You would think so, however dirt and salt does not make its way to the bottom of the does like it does inside of the wheel wells and on the suspension.
What type of gun is that and what type/size nozzle? Thanks man!
It's not a paint gun, just an old gun I had left over from applying a Morton spray on bed liner back in the day. There's no information on it but the tip is much bigger than a paint gun tip.
I live in Ohio but have never done this….but now that I bought a new car I’ll do it. You still like fluid film? I’m thinking of using surface shield.
I'm still a huge fan of fluid film, inside and outside of the frame and under the whole body. I even spray inside the doors & rocker panels & tailgate.
@@6thGearGaragethanks for responding! People complain about surface shield that it drips initially. Looks like fluid film don’t drip. Does fluid film damages the rubber bushings, hoses, etc? I bought the wool wax spray gun…you don’t dilute the fluid film right?
Do I need to power wash it first before applying ff?
No I never did that. Plus washing might leave moisture in tight areas and not allow the fluid film in.
Just wash it off a few days before hand so it has time to dry if you cant or its been raining dont even bother
Hey you missed the rotors and exhaust! You ain't done till you gotta burn some shit off
Can we spray it on the exhaust pipes and muffler?
You can, but it will burn off.
a galon wrer im at is 99$ on sale
lol
Wow I'd check ebay/amazon and save some $$
Sprays rubber hoses, bushings (makes rubber swell up) and bolts on the struts, dosent spray brake lines coming from abs pump LOL
Fluid Film does not swell rubber components
M Piers97 ive seen it make rubber door seels go out of shape
How much product did you use for the one car application?
I'd guess less than 1/4 of the gallon can.
Patrick S 1/2 gallon on a truck
I’ve got a Silverado with surface rust but someone put rubberized undercoating I’m poorly, I’m thinking about wire wheeling it all, using rust reformer and then using fluid film. Good approach? Unfortunately it’s winter already and I’m waiting to do this project till spring.
Putting rubberized coating over rust is only going to cause more problems. As soon as the rubberized undercoating is punctured by a rock, it allows moisture to get behind and holds it in, causing more rust. I'd remove it and wire wheel the rust, then apply an inhibitor, then fluid film.
how often do you have to do this? once a year ?
Yes, usually before winter.
What size air compressor are you using?
It's a 20 gallon
What air compressor did you use for this?
I have an old Devilbiss prospray II compressor, 20 gal.
I'm not super mechanical, but I'm going to do this. Any part of the underbody that I should especially avoid spraying?
I'd try not to spray the rotors or exhaust, since it will just burn off.
I would avoid spraying the shocks and struts so you can see when they start leaking.
Where did you buy that gun
Can you use paint gun ?
It's 20 years old, and was meant to be used to spray on thick truck bed liner. I'm not sure who made it, or if they're still around.
Could you describe your compressor?
It is an old devilbiss air compressor, 20 gallon, rated at 4 hp.
corvairwild on youtube used and premoted it but he found it washes off bad too
Yeah, I found that if you get it wet right away, it comes off faster. I like to drive down some dusty roads and when the dust/dirt sticks to the fluid film, it seems to harden and stick much better.
I always say it smells like a urinal cake hahahaha
Accurate description!
How much product did you use?
1 gallon is enough for two or three applications
WHY DO CAR BODIES HAVE HOLES IN THEM?
I’m guessing it’s part of the manufacturing process, impossible to make them air tight. Also some ventilation is needed to avoid pressure when closing doors and allow fresh air that comes thru the vents a way to leave the car so more air can enter.
Every freaking person that I've seen with a tube car channel from Ohio has either a nice garage and or a big garage. What am I doing wrong. From Pa.
I had local amish build that 32x40 pole barn and it was super cheap, $15k including concrete. I was looking at shop space to rent in the area and at $800 to $1k/mo, it made sense to wait a year and a half and build my own.
@@6thGearGarage thats about par for here too. I'll probably buy a metal garage if I ever get some flat land around here.
@@Ashroyer86 I moved and have a smaller space now, but hope to add some more soon. I sure miss that heated floor!
@@Ashroyer86 Go for the heated floor if you can, it's worth every penny. I had the pex down when they poured the concrete and added the rest of the heating stuff 2 years later after I saved up.
@@6thGearGarage it's crazy cuz I know about heated flooring but it never once occurred to me that I should probably do that.
can you show us your car after 5 years of using Fluid film?
Unfortunately I no longer own this Acura TSX, Sold it last year.
@@6thGearGarage next Time take yearly pics 😜
How much psi
I had around 30 with this gun
Can you provide a link for the spray gun you used?
It came with a Morton Spray On Truck Bed liner in the early 2000's. There isn't a part number on it, but I imagine any spray gun for truck bed liners would be similar.
La, lanolin...like sheep's wool?
What kind of respirator is that. Only an apprentice, but very worried breathing it in. My company hasn't got me one. An reply would be excellent. Thank you.
It's a respirator used for painting cars. It has replaceable filters. Search google/amazon/ebay for Half Mask Respirator and you'll find plenty of options.
6th Gear Garage oh, excellent. Thanks. Apartently the one at my work it multi use? Dust and vapour, as I am an auto body repair. And thank you very much for the fast reply.
I'd use it - much better than no mask at all.
Fluid film is the mortal enemy of many other types of undercoating/rust inhibitor. Cause all those products requires degrease/clean as first step! FF is pure fat
EJShelby yes but fluid film is superior to all those you mentioned. Water salt gets under the rubber coating and rots away metal without you knowing
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Pretty cool! How has it held up from the 2016-2017 winter season? Did you reapply for the 2017-2018 season?
With moving in the fall and the new garage not having a 220v outlet for my compressor, I didn't get to apply it for the current winter season. I sometimes power wash the underside of the car if we get a warm day, and I'm surprised that the water still beads up on all of the suspension components due to some Fluid Film being left on the surface from over a year ago.
Using the wrong fluid film in the wrong gun, with out the right tools (extensions etc to get into the frame, rockers, etc) its a $100 buy online for the "pro" gun with accessories... I got one and the right more liquid fluid film...
Which is the correct fluid film? I see they have different grades on their site, but didn't notice any of those grades listed on the gallon I had. The place I purchased this from only had one kind.
6th Gear Garage don’t let this guy kill your buzz...you did alright man.
Thanks, I figure you can't go wrong by hosing it on!
The places that matter the most are going to be inside the frame where you are not able to get well with that gun... thus the extension wands... You can google "kell sport fluid film" IIRC you want NAS fluid film. I buy 5 gallon tubs never got the gallons however my stuff is no where near that thick. If its really think it does not creep well, Again the main main places you want to get, inside that frame you only dotted a little spot. Look at the pro kit on that website and you will see the wands... Oh and no affiliation with that website it is just where I got my gun. Oh and note, fluid film attacks natural rubber. Edit, that also lets you get inside the rockers, something that always seems to rot out...
the smell is sheep lanolin
My car hovers no need. Any type of oil will destroy your rubbers and gaskets and such. Main reason motor /transmission mounts and alternators die and wear out is due to motor oil leaks and build in them that expand and make them brittle. Same goes for wiring. DO NOT apply oil or any type of oil based paint, tar type or rubberized coatings cuz they hold moisture and salt making your car rust faster. If your got a new car simply make sure you degrease the bottom. Simply clear coat few layers your are good to go. If your want to go really our of the box prime it paint in and clear coat. Same goes got rusty ass cars. Just get rid of the rust first. Whats proven better then the outside body of the car do same for bottom with heavier coats. It will out last the vehicle.
Thats the reason why he is using fluid film and not just motor oil. Fluid film doesn't have any solvents its lanolin based. It doesn't ruin rubber or paint. Found it works perfect as i sprayed the underside of my truck including bushings.
It smells like copenhagen. That’s the word you were looking for.
I don't like the fact that the product remains sticky and tacky then dirt sticks to the product.
I think that helps to bond the product to the surface, causing it to stay on the frame longer. I wiped the dirty fluid film grime from my truck's frame after 5 years and it still looked like new underneath: czcams.com/video/5DY-SfQZyZU/video.html
Not protected his pretty floor
Yeah it was a little slippery until I wiped it down
Hey 6th Gear, please do not spray on the rods of your shock. this make it get stuck over time or not function right. the fuild film will buildup on the valves! keep up the spraying elsewhere!
Fluid film is lanoline, sheep fat