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BC Swing Centerpin Casting Demo
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2013
- This a short demonstration of the BC or Swing centerpin casting technique, which is a time tested and effective method for steelhead fishing in the Pacific Northwest
You sir look like a man of culture
Verrrrry good! I’m on the cusp of giving centerpinning a whirl for our Great Lakes steelhead and salmon.
Terrific instruction.👍
Great video! Clear and easy to understand. And no silly hype or drama. Thanks!
I bin using this technique to cast pin for years and can say that i can cast far that no one can match and precise its so simple to due it this way i love it
The best centerpin casting method I've ever seen. Thank U Sir. Greets from Poland.
If this were part of an Agatha Christie play, I'd put my money on that this guy did it. 😊
Brilliant.
Thanks for making this great video. Nice yard!
i wish this video was on youtube 2 years ago! nice instruction!
Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate this casting method!
coolest bastard in the universe; the fonzie of fishing.
Sick mustache brother! Thanks for the video, very helpful
Great demo...never seen this style of cast...I usualy released the line at 6 oclock let the lure drop a sec then cast ...deffinately will try this next time I am up on the vedder.
When I first started using a centerpin 2 years ago, this video taught me everything I needed to know. I use 1/4 on a 8g float. I fish small to medium rivers in steelhead alley of the great lakes, if I were fishing a big river. I can use more weight and larger float for more distance. But seriously, this cast gives zero line twist and very accurate casts. Just wanted to say thank you.
@justin cox I just got a cheap centerpin to try it out I'm using a 9ft6 rod and am having trouble with distance do bigger floats and weights help these go my rod is a light medium action
Totally cool guy. Great video.
That was great, it helped a lot. Thanks for taking the time to share.
Nice casting technique,calm and calculated the message was send to us.
Thank you
super simple as you described I figured it out after a day in my backyard...you just have to get the reel moving at the end of loading of the rod.
Three minutes into the video and I was ZZzzzZzzzZZZzzzzZZ. I think this guy would make a great hypnotist.
Thanks Ryan, it's a Rainshadow XST1562-3,13'0", 3, 6-10lbs, 1/4-1/2oz blank with Batson reel seat and guides.
By far the best method to cast far.
Would like to see a wider view of this cast
That is brilliant. I had no idea. Thank you. I'll go awsy and practice now.
Cole, this cast is definitely easier with more weight. It's a similar situation between a baitcast reel and a spinning reel. 4 gr. is on the light side, so distance will be affected and you'll need to be careful of over-run or backlash. I think the difference in casting weights is the primary reason why this cast is more common out west and not used as much in GLA. Give it a go tho, it's worth having in the arsenal.
I really appreciate all the feedback! I really want to get this cast down!! Thanks again
I've finaly figure out why I wasn't able to cast as good..lol its because my 12 ft float fishing rod was too "flexable" haha I try it on my stiff rod and it happens to cast really good and very accurate and also more distance too...cast about 130 feet away which is pretty good so moral of the story behind it is stiffer rod with a center pin reel..haha but thx a lot for the demonstration video..it really helped me a lot..thx again
Thanks! I'm new to centerpins and this explanation helps. I'll try it out.
I have put on 1/2oz of weight and can hit a target 40' away 6 out of 10 times so I am happy with that... givin the size of my rod I think im doing pretty well... for longer casts I think I will still use the spinning side cast. Thanks for all of your help!
Jeff,
Awesome thanks for the reply!
The anchor is the key. Just started today, he is correct.
Al, I also use your method, which is very effective and easy to learn too. Thanks for mentioning. :)
Chaz, yes you can use mono-filament line. It is my preferred float fishing line, although many others like to use braided or spectra type lines, as well. Each have their own advantages and disadvantages. Use whatever line you prefer. While stiff lines with a lot of memory are not ideal for float fishing, one distinct advantage of the BC cast is that it does not cause or build up dreaded line twist.
Dude great instructions hell of a tutorial
It looks like yoyo effect...great idea and great way to make long casts with a center-pin.
I really like how calmly both the way you speak and body language is. You make this cast look very easy. However I cannot see tip of rod to see when and how it loads. Is it like a fly rod? I can cast to my backing,I can't cast pin 20 feet and even when I can it is not accurate. I fish great lakes steelhead and I really want to learn pin. I bottom bounce or euro nymph now. Any words of wisdom?
VFlatz...Very much enjoyed this video..! Having myself fished steelhead here in the GL for nearly 40 years I've used many different types of reels including spinning with spinners, closed face spinning, drifting (in cold winter conditions), fly reels, utilizing the strip and pitch method of bottom bouncing with one of my Martin 72 multipliers and now finally I've purchased a center pin reel.. (60+ years old) I waited because I finally found one with a drag that I can, if I choose, bottom bounce with as well as fish a float... I enjoy catching these fish using different techniques for the challenge... Steelhead will bite on about anything, such a great fish..! I'm going to try your BC swing casting technique next chance I get.. Again, enjoyed this very much and I wonder if you have read any of Roderick L. Haig-Browns books from Campbell River B.C.?.. Greatest fishing writer I've ever read..! Thank You
Jeff, on this reel I'm using Suffix Seige tangerine mono. I believe it is 14# test, but I also use 12 and 16# too. I prefer the handling and visibility of a heavier main line, even though I will often use much lighter leaders.
Hi there, I use a center pin for carp fishing and I'm wondering if this technique would work with about 6 grams of casting weight? I normally pull off some loops of line and swing forward and release. I have seen a chap let the weight drop and swing forward as the reel picks up momentum. Still a bc cast. Regards Paul.
Tristin, the rod is a custom built Rainshadow XST1562-3,13'0", 3 pc, 6-10lbs, 1/4-1/2oz and the reel is a Paine Falls 4.5" DeMarco float reel.
Ryan, this rod was built by Adam Hansen at Batson Enterprises. Almost any custom builder has access to Rainshadow blanks though. BTW, building a center pin rod is really pretty simple. You can find the recipe for this rod on the Batson Forum.
Hi from Fernie BC: Do you think this technique would be suitable for mountain river cutthroat trout/bull trout with with plastic worm presentations? Thank you.
Scott
S Peter, swing and straight pull casting produce ZERO line twist. This is a major advantage over side casting techniques. Although pull casting is easier with lighter loads, this is not a concern on western rivers. Reducing dreaded line twist is a great reason to include this casting technique in your bag o' tricks. ;)
VFlatz... Thank you for sharing. I'm on the eastern side of the US (fishing the great lakes tribs) so even though I have been learning this cast I'm not how much I will get to use it. On a different note: I've read this cast produces a lot of line twist (which being a newbie I'm not totally sure what that is.)
Great tutorial. Thanks
lifeson241, spinning, bait cast or center pin reels, they're all good. Each has their advantages and all can easily handle steelhead. Spinning reel is much easier to learn and won't cause over run or backlash. Spinning and bait casters both have mechanical drags, while center pins have none and mostly use direct finger or palm pressure as drag. Experience will help you to set drag setting on any reel; you need enough to gain on fish but not so much that you'll break off. You should also be able to adjust for more drag with line out and less drag when fighting fish in close. When you want more line control, simpler mechanics and a more even fight with fish, that's the time to consider a center pin.
MORE VIDEOS OF YOU USING BC CENTERPIN WITH SALMON OR STEELHEAD IN ACTION. YOU ARE GETTING POPULAR. THANK YOU!!!
Jeff, Kingpin are very nice rods, but the 4-8 class is probably more a GL rod than a west coast BC casting rod IMO. Casting lighter lures does make this casting technique a bit more challenging, but longer BC casts are still possible. Taper and weight of your rod is most suited for the GL casting styles (side & Wallis). Moderate tapers release rod energy over a wider, longer band and help to deliver longer casts. Try "overlining" the rod with more weight (3/8 -1/2 oz) to see if that helps.
Thanks dude I'm going to try to master that one 🇺🇸
R,
Yes, the reel continues to spin as you forward cast. Thus accelerating gradually thru the cast. The timing of the release in conjunction with the loading of the forward cast is critical to a long cast. The video would have been better if it emphasized this point. Release too early, cast will fold. Release too late, no distance and cast will pull to right if casting from left. A longer slower forward cast gives more time for line (distance) to be pulled from a reel that is already moving.
You seem to have the reel spinning when still on the back cast so why doesn't the weight just go backwards? How do you get it to change direction when the spool is spinnning?
Nigel Evans the direction is given by the pendulum and your rod. It doesn’t matter if the weight is going backwards or forward, the centerpin will rotate in the same direction (cuz it’s feeding line, regardless of the direction).
forward+back+forward. his position is confusing until you realize his back is actually against the river.
I have a center pin outfit I bought a few years ago but just can't get the hang of the casting. I have an Okuma Raw reel which while not a $400 or $500 reel it has great reviews and it does spin very freely. I just can't seem to break the inertia and get the spool to turn on the forward cast. How much weight are you using in this particular video? I thought since my reel spool rotates so freely (if I put a 3/0 shot on the leader and hold the rod at a 45 degree angle the spool revolves counterclockwise freely) I have been using two 3/0 split shot for lawn practice to no avail. Also does the casting line have to be very close to the lip of the spool? My line is about 1/4" from the periphery of the spool.
Bravo!!! Artist!!!
That was helpful indeed. Thank you.
Nice Video. Question for you... when you swing back and let the reel spin, does it continue to free spin when you cast forward or do you stop it for a sec when changing direction to the forward swing?
Great question..I have asked this before and nobody can seem to answer it..do you momentarily release the spool at the end of the back cast then stop it for a second to start your foward cast before releasing again..or do you continue to let the reel spin as you cast foward?
This is now my main cast
Just nailed one on the chiliwack river yesterday with this cast. Get video
"Was curious about center pin reels", I recently purchased a lamiglas 10' 6 spinning rod and I have a okuma spinning reel(open face) Obviously I'm gona be float fishing on a river. Is my set-up ok, or should I purchase a center pin reel? How do you know to set the proper drag with my set-up? And are center pin reels ideal for the tough steelhead? Thank You
In the video I'm casting a 1/4 oz (7 gram) inline weight that is inside a white plastic golf ball (for ease of retrieving through the grass). Total weight on postal scale is 1/3 oz (10 gram). My rod's lure rating is 1/4 -1/2. Not sure where you fish, but on our western US rivers my total casting weight is generally around 1/2 - 1 oz total weight using various configurations. This is probably on the high side for GL streams. Still, I wouldn't think 1/3 oz (10 oz) total weight to be atypical.
Hello, please tell me your opinion about new Redband 45 centerpin reel
2:26 nice
at last a centerpin angler with reel right way round Rod in right hand reel worked with left
One way to isolate your casting issue would be to try a heavier weight and the back off weight after you get desired distance. With heavier weight be careful of over run and backlash, be sure not to press or hurry your cast either.
Hi l find it hard to cast with this technique if one is using very light float and weight. regards barrie
Right on ill have try it at the saugeen river sometime
Awesome casting technique, thanks alot for the video! But here is a couple of questions - how far (in meters) you can cast this weight? And what casting distances are the most common for this style of fishing? Thank you.
Great video.
Is that a Adam Demarco Paine Falls??
4:00 Hey. Do you feather the reel from 6 o´clock and forward or is the goal NOT to have the need to do that?
lee, no mod to this reel. It's a nice reel to be sure but differences between centerpin reels shouldn't make much difference in ability to swing cast. Rod action, lure weight and casting tempo probably have more to do with getting a good swing cast than the reel, IMO. While these things may not be as critical while side casting, the benefits of accuracy, control and especially the zero line twist make the swing cast well worth learning. Keep at it. ;)
Jeff, your reel is not a limiting factor in casting. In fact upgraded bearings do very k
Nice instructional video. What rod are you using? It looks like it has a good reel seat & cork shape. Thanks.
Hi. I'm starting with centerpin. Does this cast needs sideways space? I use centerpin in Australia for chasing Luderick and find it hard to execute it when fishermen are standing on the shore 5 or 6 meters from me as I need to shallow the swing
Centerpin reels are priced low to high, but sometimes highly priced may not work well as the best.Which is the best reel in the market according to you? In west coast we use long (9-12ft or more) spinning and bait casting rods. Why we can't use them as centerpin rods? Thinking switch to centerpin, although I am good catching fish both with spinning and baitcasting. Thanks.
Bazlur, what's best in a center pin reel is more personal preference than pure performance. CP reel prices can vary tremendously but performance differences are usually subtle and personal. I have my own favorites, but I still fish and enjoy some of my good ol' "cheap" pins too. BTW, west coast rivers don't need uber fast start-up due to heavier casting weights and faster water fished. Bushing bearings work just as well as ball bearings here too Buy what you like and can afford, you'll be fine. Can't think of a bad one out there. As far as rods, CP reels will work on casting and/or spinning rods too. I've done it many times. Keep in mind a few drawbacks however; ideal CP rod action is typically more moderate than many fast spin/cast float rods and their reel seat placement can be uncomfortably high on the handle. Also, upturned casting triggers can interfere with comfortable grip as well. But, they'll certainly get you by at the very least. Good luck.
VFlatz Thanks a lot. I got it.
didn't say how much weight was using to get 60ft, it would be nice!
are you still fishing with the rainshadow? happy with it?
i was just wondering if you modified or change anything on the reel when you bought it cause i bought mine and it just wouldn't spin as good...im not able to cast it at all except, casting it out on the side of the reel which twist and tangle the line up.
Ryan it is a 4.5" DeMarco by
sweet video, thank you
@VFlatz if you don't mind me asking how much did that combo cost?
Do you know any info or sources or groups dealing with East Coast center pin fishers?
you should cross hatch when you mow your lawn.. haha and great video thanks..
I use a 13' Moderate action rod, is this technique viable for my setup?
Colville outfitters has the best pin reels in the world and I don’t even pin lol but his shop is the best for everything drift fishing and more
Крутой человек . с учётом того что он неправильно намотал шнур )
Please make a vid this good on the wallis cast thanks!!
nice cast but i doubt it would be useful on the river without the heavy weight on the line
Thanks
would you be able to use uni-filament line on a float real ?, Chaz
Yeh that's pretty cool way of casting I live in Ontario and just a normal Kidda cast I'm gonna try that next time on the river do you need lots of weight too do it or can I do it with a 4 gram float aswell
Used to live in BC, back in Ontario now. This cast works with the heavier floats/lead required out west. Small floats here, make it tough and almost impossible. Unless you're fishing the Niagara, where you could use the larger west coast terminal tackle, it's tough to apply to great lakes fishing.
Haven't figured what the minimum weight float would be to use this cast effectively (lowest weight in BC I ever used was 20g), i've just stuck to the side cast since moving back to Ontario (4-6g floats).
Did you build the rod used in the video yourself, or did you purchase it from a custom builder? I am in the market for a new 13'er & would purchase this model if I knew where one was available. Thanks
......do very little to add to casting distance. Like flyfishing casting distance is more affected by casting timing/tempo, rod action and matched lure load. What rod do you have and what lure weight are you using?
Bobber only on your rod or do you have lead on as well?
Please excuse my ignorance because I have never seen this style of fishing reel before... So is this like a fly fishing reel?
A centerpin looks like a large-diameter fly reel, but it has no drag, which allows it to spin freely on its axis (its “center pin”) forward and backward. Centerpin reels do have a clicker, but it is used for transporting the reel, not for fishing.
A centerpin rod is long, often between 11 and 13 feet in length. This allows the angler to keep as much line on the water as possible, to reduce drag on the rig, and maintain a perfect drift. The rods are also very limber in order to protect the light leaders.
The advantage of centerpin fishing is that it creates the most natural presentation possible in moving water by allowing your bait a drag-free drift at the same speed as the river current.
Centerpin reels are used with floats and a series of split shots (the “shot line”) leading to the bait. The arrangement of split shots under the float ensures that the bait is the first thing the fish sees, which is extremely helpful with pressured fish.
@VFlatz what rod and reel is this?
Do you need a decent amount of weight to use this cast? Or can you use this cast while using light tackle as well?
Cody, decent amount of weight is relative. A heavy weight for GL tribes is typically light for the West Coast. Probably works best with casting weights of at least 1/4 oz (7 gr), and works very well with weights in the area of 11-30 gr., which is common out west.
how much weight are you using when you practise cast?
I have an 11' 6" kingpin fast light action 1/8oz-3/8oz 4-8'
someone told me you have to put backing on center pin reels and want to know if thats true and i want to know what you do
googooba12, it's generally a good idea to use backing on a center pin reel for a number reasons, but it's not always necessary. There are some newer center pins that are designed with larger solid arbors that don't require backing or have much capacity for it. However, most center pin reels have an enormous line capacity and it's better to fill some of that space with a line that won't deteriorate, doesn't retain memory and will provide a good non-trapping bed for your mainline. It's especially important with mono mainlines, which due of their stretch and ability to absorb & retain water may constrict reel with excessive force if enough is used. I always use enough backing to get a good base, but rarely more 150 yards or 1/2 the reel capacity. Backing can be found in different colors, which can add a cool look to a ported reel, as well.
thx..i'll keep trying till i get the hang of it then
this man has the calm of retired assassin. or he smoked a doobie before the video.
No matter what I can't get a cast past 30' do I not have enough weight or do you need much weight?