China Laws May Strip Genshin of Dailies, Welkin & Make Gacha Optional
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It's entirely possible I still missed things. Many articles just repeated the same things over and over.
What u missed that i noticed, bunch of us seeing on the video double 5* pulls while some of us here even with spending little money have never seen a double 5* pull since the start of the game thats how u trigger us :D :D
Also didnt hoyo move their HQ to singapore to avoid any chn laws ?? or am i missing smth
@@BlackPointt well, like it or not they do have to change it not just on the Asia server but as a whole to avoid any mistreatment to other server players. Personally for me I see this as a win, I mean imagine as an f2p you lost your 50/50 after grinding for a month. Damn just the thought of it is depressing as hell, leads to burnout too.
@@danielhisham7110 I agree they need to change smth its just for top-up i agree they are bad value is why i almost never rly get em unless i rly run out of gems else i only buy welkin+bp but i mean i got a steady job so giving thoose 15$ a month isnt a deal breaker for me as its the only game i actively play and enjoy. And the game needs to get the money somehow to pay all the ppl that work on it etc so it seems fair to me to support em in such way.
@@danielhisham7110 as someone who just 36* Abyss, has completed all the quests and 100% exploration all there is for me is new updates and new characters. At this point losing 50/50 and not being able to use my resources for them and mess around with them is kinda awful. I didn't get Navia and now 4.3 is ruined for me :( (at least guns and roses was fun)
Separate HK/CN and Asia servers.
Genshin has the advantage of being very different from other gachas because it is an open world RPG, so there are a thousand ways that they can implement some way for players to get Primogems regularly other than with daily missions.
One of them could be increasing the amount of primogems we get from chests and waypoints
@@yagami-chan1059 Yes, but these are not repetitive methods of obtaining Primogems so they would not compensate for the daily missions.
One thing I see in my head are "comisions" just like we do in lore. Ss the same ones we do, but you can accept the next just as you complete the one you just finished
They could implement that in TCG or hosting who has the best teopot design in a month. There are many ways.
Dude this doesn’t connect to daily missions. Lmao. This is about Welkins 😂
If this gets passed and my Welkin just immediately falls into my lap in one go, I'd be over the moon.
It's a celestial pun right here...
I was literally thinking ppl should stack welkin cause now they don’t have to wait they getting it in one big some
would it still cost 5 dollars though
The only reason welkin is as good a deal as it is is because you loging in continously has value to the company.
They can just make is so the gems are sent daily via in-game mail without an expiration date.
That way the top ups can keep their advantage of being an immediate big influx of currency, while welling is a lot cheaper, but you have to wait for it.
Very importantly, at least as I understand it, the law doesn't prohibit daily rewards as a concept, just daily login incentives that perpetuate FOMO. So they can still do things like the game awards thank you campaign.
Simply adding 5 stars to paimon's bargains would already make it so much better, as, if you got unlucky over and over again, you can just forgo the gacha entirely to guarantee a character you really want at the cost of a lot of the resources you've saved from previous pulls
Like When you obtain the character they are put on Thr master glitter Shop? Yeah sound too good to be true.
THIS
@@droversanity3682 Well, it's not like it's a suggestion coming from left field, it's a very possible approach Hoyo could take to tackle the new laws that seek to make getting gacha rewards more fair and less luck based. Paimon's bargains would have a standard banner 5 star available on the usual rotation and they'd make the current limited banner 5 star also available while their banner lasts. The standard 5 star would be worth more starglitter than the 4 stars and the limited 5 star would be worth more starglitter than the standard 5 star
Star Rail already has standard 5 star light cones (weapons) in the shop. It's like as if you could buy the Wolf's Gravestone for 150 starglitter. So there's a precedent. I think characters could've been added in the same way
YES!! Star rail already has this for standard 5 star weapons.
Things I wish to get out if this:
1.) Earlier Pity, as Characters are guaranteed at max .180 Wishes, which is a lot, I can see them going down the route to just lower Pity.
There are probably compromises they can make to avoid basically just selling characters out right. Maybe 100 wishes for a guaranteed with 50 being hard pity, maybe even less.
2.) Welkin would be fine as is, they probably just have to remove the fixed 30 days, and change it so it lasts until you claim all, not having to worry about missing some days, because it doesn't expire while you are not logged in.
About other features:
-BP, Dunno about that one, I'm fine with it as is, and have plenty of time left each month after finishing it. So I don't think there's a problem, as you don't even need to log in each day
weklin could give the 90 primos via the in-game email
180 is very extrimist, there is a soft pity in 75 so you can count in 78 wich is 156 at max. 🤓
@@La-nx8jk i see you're someone who never reaches 170+ pulls to get the limited char . I have 5 limited char (1.2 yrs player ) had to skip 5-8 patches to pull for char and from these 5 char , i had to reach 170+ 3 times . So this 60-70-80 soft pity is a scam . Every has 2 char banner while the primos we get is 35-45 pulls only when the char hard pity is 90 pulls
@@La-nx8jk that’s not how that works. Max is 180.
Interesting I didn't think of that "remove the fixed 30 days" thing with Welkin. I can't see China allowing the shit regardless, but that would be lovely if it simply lasted. That would technically satisfy China's new stupid requirements.. So let's hope that's the direction it goes! Smart thinking, anon.
I feel like the commissions & Welkins are normal , the problem is the 50/50 it is a scam especially the weapon banner. They need to get rid of the 50/50 on that banner and let us just wish for the desired weapon. Keep the path to keep the banner clean but just let us get the weapon. Stupid standard weapons and the secondary weapon standing in the way of a weapon and not even a character is insane I’ve never seen a game do that before.
Here's the thing would you argue that many characters signature weapons are inherently worth that change. To me in Genshin the only reason to go for the Weapon Banner is if your dedicated to said character 90% of the roster have a 4 star or even 3 star equivalent that works either similar or even better then what's on the weapon banner.
It's like the Constellation changer some people want it and its one thing when an addition has little QOL but that addition is basically worthless because outside Bennet and maybe Zhongli and Mona no one else benefits
Like as much as people go off about Gacha they do like the gambling and let's be real the more your able to get a item the less value it has even more so the signatures that aren't required
@@demonking-zm3rs i completely disagree. 5 star weapons are a MASSIVE buff to an account, arguably way more than a new character. a 4 star character with a 5 star weapon is stronger than a 5 star character with a four star weapon most of the time. and a weapon can be shared by multiple characters. effectively, when you pull a good all-around weapon (not niche shit, of course), it's like you are getting a bundle of new viable characters that were just gathering dust in your roster. and that's why weapon banners are a goddamn scam with only 25% chance of getting what you want (it's okay when the four star weapons are good, and so are both of the 5 star weapons, but usually that's not the case, they include traps to make the banner less appealing for some reason)
Personally, I’d be ok with the 50/50 on weapon banner… if it was actually a 50/50. But it’s not. Instead it’s a 33% 3 way split. Which is arguably worse. IMO, once you forge your epitomized path, it should then be a 50/50 between the weapon you chose, or an off banner weapon, or better yet, a 50/50 between the weapon you chose, and the other weapon on the banner. It would be so much less primogem intensive that way. But that’s my 2 cents. I also wouldn’t mind your suggestion either tbh.
@@jonathanwilson5355 how it's arguably worse? it's objectively worse.
50/50 is the single worst system in any gatcha game. I can take everything else but losing at 83 for the 10th time to god damn Qiqi is just soul crushing.
The part that I find interesting about this whole thing is that HSR has already changed to accommodate these changes with the newest version update. The BP has largely stayed the same but they gutted the daily quests leaving only weekly and event rewards. If Genshin were to do something similar I'm not sure how I personally would like it. Genshins daily system might suck but id rather have it and be able to complain about it than not have it at all.
On another note though one thing that I do find interesting is the "being able to purchase anything with an appropriate price outside of the gacha". I have played a lot of gacha games outside of just Genshin. Fire Emblem Heroes, Fate/Grand Order and Goddess of Victory: Nikke to name a few. Each of these has had different systems in place that let you bypass the gacha mechanics. Fire Emblem lets you after a set number of pulls on a banner just choose the unit you want from the banner. Fate/Grand Order has yearly free SR and SSR tickets that let players chose any servant you want from the general pool and keep them so long as you get them to their first ascension. They also have a GSSR every few six or so months where limited characters are put into pools. You are able to purchase a single 10 roll at half the price for the chance to get any servant from the pool you decide to roll in. Nikke after every roll on both limited and standard banner pulls gives you a ticket. Every 200 tickets you can just spend to get the limited character or extra copies of a character from the standard pool and you can stock pile them if you want. I feel like all of these systems are pretty fair for their respective games. It makes me wonder if Genshin or HSR would ever implement something similar for its characters. I think something like putting the standard characters into the Paimon shop would be a nice addition or every year during Lantern Rite or the Anniversary we get a FGO style GSSR per region where you can get a limited character from that region.
I would love a SSR Tickets like the one of FGO in Genshin. I'm honestly tired of the goodwill of the gacha to get a character from the Standard Banner, it would be very nice to choose one just like that, without depending on RNG.
@@henriqueabreu9706 I would really like that or have them just be available in the Paimon shop like how the 5 star Standard Lightcones are in HSR. Even if they are just standard characters I would like to be able to pick out certain ones for either useful constellations or collection purposes.
The free 5-star ticket at FGO is not something that happens every year. If I'm not mistaken, there have only been 2 since the game's release.
@@Truck-kun11 it feels like it's been around every year or. Whether it's an SR ticket or SSR ticket. Either way I'd like something similar to FGO's GSSR in Genshin.
I thought I was tripping when I logged in to hsr today.
The thing about the gambling aspect in the Gacha system is that you don't know how much the item will really cost. You only know it's going to be too expensive for you once you already spend your limit that you were willing to spend on that item. By then you're hit with sunk cost mentality that you had to have the item or you will lose that money you spent for nothing. This is most egregious during on the weapon banner where your guarantee will expire once the banner rotates.
I don't think anything will actually happen. Genshin has been ignoring regulations since the start. Remember the outfit censorship changes, how are the new characters passing those standards? Did you know there's also a law that banned venti. It's all about how much money the game pulls into the country, they will continue to get away with everything.
Yes and they also have queer characters (honkai at least)
They ignore the laws that are after all more in the air but they do indeed have the 3 hour limit like other games and follow the soft pity and hard pity system, they may ignore the no femboys but not the you must have a pity system
@@MiyuKawasakiiirc Bennett has two daddies
@@kruemel-kun He has several, the whole adventurer's guild is his dads.
The outfits have been censored though, the characters we've gotten have only done the bare minimum to stay within the guidelines. The last character we had who even had cleavage was Ei (Lisa's Sumeru skin doesn't count.)
Every character released after Ei hasn't had cleavage at all, they've been pretty covered. Lyney is pretty close to violating the no femboys thing, but he doesn't look like a girl, just an effeminate boy. Idk how they got away with that one, but yeah, every new design has been censored in the way China asked.
I just hope that through this we finally get a resin cap of 3-4 days to fill. So that you won't need to play everyday. And the dailies can be weeklies like in ToF.
Best case scenario this forces them to implement some QoL they should've implemented 2 & 1/2 years ago.
Thumps up, this would be such a big win.
People who want to do dailes can still do them every single day but everyone else has the option to do them on weekends. Playing for 6hours straight sound more fun then 20minutes every single day.
It's crazy for me that they have that on theire radar while most gamers don't even realize how bad dailys are.
yes, make it like HSR where there's a higher cap, and overflow that just charges slower.
When it comes to dailies commissions, I feel like they should remove the limit and allow players to do as many as they want (you could go to the guild and accept more commissions once you finish the ones you have). This would allow grinding for primogems, which I think all players would appreciate. I honestly don't think they'd lose out on too much money by doing this since whales are still going to spend money to get things faster, and if it does impact their profits they can start making more outfits and focus monetizing more off of the cosmetics instead of the gambling.
How bout resin cap to infinite
When it comes to buying characters instead of rolling for them, just do what they already do with the 4-star and put 2 or 3 Five-Stars in the store every month that can be purchased with Masterless Starglitter. I doubt they would include characters like the Archons or Harbingers, but rather characters that don't sell as well or don't receive as many reruns like, for example, Eula or Arataki Itto.
I’m not really sure what to make of this. The changes are probably good overall, but I’m not sure Genshin will replace them with anything. Just no more Welkin. No more dailies. F2Ps and low-spenders might be the only ones who get totally wrecked by this.
Also, the double standard around ‘reasonable’ is WILD to me. When Genshin came out, it was praised to high heaven for actually having a pity system. That’s rare among gacha games even today. Now everyone acts like Genshin’s is somehow the worst. Having a pity already probably makes it reasonable under their standard but still.
that's because even with pity . Primos we get each patch is around 40-50 pulls while the char hard pity is 90 , and if you loose 150 + pulls
Genshin's reputation got damaged forever by the shitty anniversary gifts and lack of standard banner choice
Almost all other gacha do give those
Genshin actually has great pity because it transfers across banner and they give a lot of gems but that doesnt matter if the bad anniversary disappointed people so hard
That's EXACTLY what Genshin would do. They would replace it with nothing, and F2Ps/low spenders are screwed out of the game for good.
I love how in the name of removing "manipulation", China is essentially making people pay more money to get what they want.. On paper, they'll be getting even more money! Genius business tactic! Except.. Anyone with a brain cell will realize this will tank the indutsry, and that's why they're losing 50bn dollars. Good job China!
They'll have stuff for F2Ps, because F2Ps are useful for a few reasons: One, it lets people in that may spend in the future. F2P functions as a bit of a game demo. Two, it helps promote the game. More discussions, more streams, more people mentioning it to friends, and so on. Third, it lets spenders see the impact of their spending, reminds them of how theirs are superior, providing positive reinforcement. So they'll just change to the F2P rewards to the shortest interval they are allowed to get away with. If they are only allowed weekly, then they'll give you a bunch of weekly tasks to complete instead.
And they'll keep the Welkin as well. Sure, the Welkin incentivizes logging in daily even more. But it is also there to be a much better deal than the straight up gem purchases. So in that regard, it serves two functions. First, it lets them monetize people who are willing to spend a little, but not a lot. And since you can only get 1x per month, whales still have to buy gems. Second, gacha games know that once you've spent once, you are more likely to spend again. This is partially because buying once tends to remove the "are you sure?" bit from stuff like the Google Play store, enabling one touch buying, so less chance to rethink things. And also because the "F2P barrier" has been broken. This is why so many gacha games have that "newbie starter! 99.9% off, $1k value! for $1" type thing (even though the value isn't really 5k, only so because they set the values to be such) when you first start out. And it'll stay spread out, because if you want Navia right now, for example, they want to buy the more expensive gem pack, not the Welkin's. So maybe the Welkins also becomes a "get X primos per week" bit, instead of daily. But something like that will still be there, and it'll be spread out over time.
@@----x-----like every game, genshin has its pros and cons.
It has terrible rewards but getting a character you want is that much more rewarding. I enjoy its story, exploration and combat so I try to focus on that. If I get to the point where i'm constantly complaining about Genshin, i'd just quit. If you keep comparing it to "every other gacha game" then you're going to consistently be unhappy and then the question is "why didn't you quit to play 'every other gacha game'"
If all you want from a game is good rewards, Genshin is the wrong game for you.
About the whole “guaranteed” thing, maybe if Genshin had a “Wish Gate/Memory Booth” thing going on, it could help. Basically in a different Chinese Gacha game, Love Nikki/Shining Nikki, there’s a mechanic called the Wish Gate/Memory Booth respectively where you can make a past event rerun using a ticket. There is a bit more to it but that’s the basics. Maybe if Genshin did this, it would count? That and the HSR standard banner 300 pull thing could at least calm the lawmakers down for a while
My biggest gripe is the refresh rate. If you zero out your resin it refreshes in about 21 hours so it isn't once a day you have to think about the game. If you don't want your resin to cap ever you have to login twice a day or you have to continuously get up earlier and earlier to play the game before your resin caps. If I use all my resin at 7pm then I must play before 4pm or my resin will cap. Then the next day would be 1pm, 11am, 8am, 5am, 2am. It is unsustainable. And for those that will say well just dont do that... like he said in the video gacha is gambling and there are people who can't control the need to have to get on and use all of their resin and get every single primo.
Simple solution is to do something similar to HSR Ie and another limitless resin that charges when you over cap. Not a perfect solution but it helps
i was like that for two years, then i stopped caring that much about resin capping.
but i still log in twice a day because i want to play the game more than just doing dailies, normally. (unless we're in THOSE patches where there's literally nothing to be excited about)
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I think the reason why the 15-25% drop is so huge is that in terms of market cap, you probably make profit at the margins and after all, investors help fund your operations and development, I'd suspect a lot of the other goes through operations, as companies like tencent have buildings and employees and other assets which need upkeep and overhead.
As for the laws, Chinese laws are so different that I can't really say much about them. I'd have to call up a friend who's a Chinese lawyer, but even then, if they're not in this area it would be hard to say for sure.
IMO we'll see how it happens. It sounds like the idea here is to stop people from chasing gatcha and dropping a ton of cash. We'll see what happens.
I think it is adorable that people think "oh golly gee I wonder how these developers are gonna make things better for us, oh wowee we will be able to buy limited characters for "fair price" oh geez I am sure it will be super fair and totally not predatory at all" while what is probably gonna happen is all of these things like welkin moon, top-up bonuses and free pulls is gonna go away and these developers will nickel and dime players even more and the "fair price" of limited character will be equivalent to going to 90 pity twice, so like...400 bucks or something?
Welkin could stay tho
that's very easily solvable by not playing the game anymore. they do that and that's what will happen.
I'm pretty sure Hoyo will find a way around these laws that will not punish players while keeping their revenue. Velkin can be changed to not lose a day if you dont log in given day and suddenly it does not count as daily login reward. It may not even count as loss of revenue as now occassional players could buy it too without fear of losing something if they don't log in every day. With top up bonuses it might be more complex but I'm sure they'll find middle ground too.
I also think Genshin is not the main focus of these laws. Genshin is already pretty tame compared to other gachas.
"Velkin can be changed to not lose a day if you dont log in given day and suddenly it does not count as daily login reward. It may not even count as loss of revenue as now occassional players could buy it too without fear of losing something if they don't log in every day."
So... the way it is now. You, literally, just described the current Welkin Moon System.
@@ForeverDegenerate What do you mean ?
Something changed ? Because from what I know and experienced, if you don't log one day, you'll never get your 90 primo of that day back
@@NightmarAkashi That hasn't been my experience. My experience has been that the Welkin Moon does not increment until you have logged in and claimed your 90 Primos. So when you purchase your Welkin Moon, you have purchased 30 Days of Primos, NOT 30 Days to claim your Primos. As far as I've experienced, you don't need to purchase another Welkin Moon until after your 30th Login for that duration even if that 30th Login falls on 60 days after you've purchased it.
@@ForeverDegenerate Idk, in my experience and from all of what i've seen on wiki and forum, we indeed lose a day
But perhaps it have been changed recently
Sadly I don't think it's worth testing that so i'm gonna stay on "perhaps"
@@NightmarAkashi If it changed, it changed TO what you're describing, not FROM it. I tested the Welkin Moon way back when I started playing Genshin. I started playing the April after the game came out, so... about 6 months after launch. I think I started buying Welkin Moons after Zhongli's re-run because he was the first 5-Star I actually pulled for. I kept track of the days I would login and when I had to miss one, I took note of how many days I had left before I missed the day and after I came back and logged in, like, a day or two later. I found that I did not actually lose a day. It actually surprised me because I had heard how predatory and BS these monetization practices could be. But, no, Genshin's Welkin Moon gave me exactly what I paid for and stiffed me nothing. It was that finding that made me decide that the Welkin Moon was worth it and is why I continue to purchase Welkin Moons to this day.
I feel like if they gave use th option to out right by something like 5 star character they would only give us the ability to get them at there base form being C0 so if we wanted more from that character we'd have to use the gacha system. Same with 5 star weapons
that's exactly what I was thinking. also 1 benefit of doing it that way is they could set the price really low and still make tons of money. I just gathered the following data.
the monthly active player base for the last few months has been consistently above 60 million.
the best selling banner as of nov 11th 2023 was the hu tao-yelan combo banner and it made 45 million dollars.
now assuming a $10 5 star purchase you would only need 7.6% of that monthly active player base buying it to match the 45 million that hu tao-yelan banner made and with the price of a 5 star being only $10 I have a hard time believing that less than 50% of the player base would end up buying it. this is also in addition to the money they will still be making from whales and dolphins going for constellations and weapons.
I think it'd be a good thing if it ever touches the global community too. I just hope that they'll make past event content accessible to newer players. I'm an Albedo main who joined in 2.8 (way after the Dragonspine events) and if there would be ways to get anything from them I'd absolutely adore it.
I have a feeling that Genshin will be exempted from these new regulations because it has been exempted from other minor regulations in the past (like the one about femboys for example) but I think it's only because Genshin is viewed as a good way to promote Chinese culture by the CCP, and if this weren't the case then things would most certainly need to change.
I hope so too!!!
@@a-passerbygambling addiction
@@anaxolotl4119 😂 Sure
Plus, Genshin doesn't really have any actual femboys, at least not according to anime standards for femboys.
@@eeveeofalltrades4780 They quite literally used Venti as the prime example when creating this regulation. people were legit worried Hoyo would have to remove or redesign him.
I'm more concerned for other gacha games made and based in China on how they're going to keep up
At least genshin and the other similar mihoyo games have the pity system whereas some games like azur lane as far as I can tell doesn't even have a pity system (albeit the rewards are more generous). Tho we would have to see
Also Mihoyo moved their main head quarters to Singapore so that may affect laws to at least a small degree.
almost impossible to predict whether this will be good or bad. In theory I like it and I hope it passes, but the companies are going to try and recoup the lost revenue somehow and it might not improve the game. Being optimistic, they could move the lost resources to the battlepass and remove the timelimit for completing it (e.g. you get a new battlepass when you finish the old one) that would keep it out of lawmaker's sights for quite a long time to come. They could also start selling a lot more skins and expand paimon's shop to include all characters somehow.
Being pessimistic, they could increase the cost of primos and make characters absurdly expensive or add multiple tiers of battlepass like many western games now have...
Not much to do but wait and see in what form and with what language this law actually takes effect
Tbh i feel like a way to make this not daily but also without losing everyone of these mechanics is just making so that comissions and Welkin stack up. If you didn't login for a day the next day you'll have 8 comissions to do and so on, and then it like resets monthly or smth, welkin would just leave the primos you didn't get on the mail until it's fully over and battlepass could turn the daily thingies into weekly but harder (like turning the "do 4 comissions" being turned into "do 15 comissions" for a bigger BP progress
I do NOT know a single bit about anything so like maybe this would not be a very good idea but hey, it's there at least...
As much as we all would love free stuff I hope that the regulations don't go too far. If they force Genshin to not have any daily or similiar system at all and make every 5* available at all times by a pretty low flat amount I feel like that would just ruin the game. If you can just buy the 5* units you want you'd just take away all the fun and you could have stupidly OP teams super easily. I just hope their solution is something like other games where limited characters get added into the standard banner after their banner. That way you can always get them but it doesn't completely break the game.
While I agree that Genshin should make characters more available via standard banner/shop/whatever, I think having every 5* would ruin the fun. If every player has access to all characters without gacha/resource-gated, I bet many too will explore beyond the stupidly OP teams.
I think if you believe the game wouldn’t be fun anymore with all the characters, then you’d have to admit the game isn’t fun and you’re simply addicted to gambling.
Exactly that's what I'm saying@@giraffejoker563
That's not what I said. Imagine if you were to play an RPG and you could immediately buy the strongest characters/equipment, it would completely ruin the fun as you already have all the best stuff at the start. The gacha element makes it so you can't get it all and if you whale and do get it all it's at least spread out over a longer period of time@@Bliss467
@@Bliss467if the limited characters were available all the times in shop, then the gacha will become obsolete. Then how the devs will be able to earn?
One of the best takes I've seen on these. I completely agree that if there's an alternative direct purchase option instead of gacha, it would be so much better for players.
Not to mention other gacha have done so before, even infamously bad gacha with no pity (Fate for example, though they did eventually add pity 6 years in). I just doubt that all daily systems would be offline, personally.
If they had to put a flat value on a character, they'd probably make it $300 or something crazy.
They couldn’t the rule they are trying to push is for a reasonable value, $300 is not reasonable.
Was thinking a lot about this, and it would be about 20-30$, since there's the Constellation system people would probably buy the character multiple times.
Damn that would hurt this game so bad imo…part of the fun is randomly pulling a character or saving etc
@@hazelmaple1842 Well, If we're calculating based on how much you would currently have to spend to get a 5 star with genesis crystals, at hard pity, without a guarantee, no saved primos, it would be around $200. So you would have the choice of spending that much to guarantee the 5 star or take your chances with the Gatcha (keep in mind unused crystals can be saved for the next banner). 4 stars would obviously be significantly cheaper since you get one every 10 pulls but since there is no guarantee system I have no idea how Mihoyo would decide to charge for that. That might seem unreasonable but that's how the current pricing is designed to be, just with the added element of MAYBE getting your desired item for less due to early drop luck.
Its already $250 for one charater if you're very unlucky lol
While I think it is possible that it may have an effect on the whole game, I doubt things like welkin being removed won’t happen. At least not in the global servers. Genshin had changed into a Singaporean (iirc) company a while back, mainly to avoid the strict regulations china often have. It might be that the Chinese server has some things removed, and we might get some optional benefits (like what happened w the alt skins) but I highly doubt there will be really drastic changes or removal of things.
I did not expect China to do it out of all countries to start implementing this.
It seems it would be good overall and Genshin would be less heavily affected by this. Other gachas from CN who rely on predatory system to survive. Well, Goodluck.
If they implement this right, This would benefitial to all players.
However, They could also easily mess this up which really hurts the F2P and Low spender especially.
I logged in to HSR yesterday and they removed the daily missions of the battle pass. They still have the dailies as normal. Wonder if that small change has anything to do with this new laws?
This might also just spur HoYo to creating more skins for characters. Since they are outright purchases, it would make sense to just churn out more skins to supplement the loss of income from Gacha. Even 3-star recolors would probably become a reality just so they can unlock more ways to earn money. But the main worry I have would be if they further space out Main Story Quests to keep costs down...
Look my opinion to daily rewards like welkin commissions etc, I log in to Twitter daily to see what new Sh*t storm happened overnight and that is far more negatively impactful on my health and well-being than dropping 5 bucks on something I WANT and escaping for an hour doing my dailies.
i did find weird login into star rail today in the new 1.6 update and there was no daily missions in the battle pass, just the weekly/monthly ones
The part about being able to have an alternate way to directly buy things from the gacha is interesting. With almost the worst possible luck, it takes ~$300 to get one copy of limited rate-up 5-star that you want. Naturally, if you just slap a $300 price tag on something and put it in the shop, that's going to spook a lot of players and most people will immediately call it out for being a scam since you lose out on all the potential 3-star and 4-star pulls and the extra 5-star from losing 50/50 on the way to getting the limited 5-star from pulling on the gacha.
So the question is, what kind of direct price tag would you put on a limited 5-star? Something like $100 would still put people off and you still miss out on about half as many 4-star pulls. Hell, even buying a character for 60 bucks looks bad as Hoyoverse would essentially be claiming that one singular character in Genshin is worth as much as a modern AAA game.
So how low do you drop the price? $30? Well that still looks pretty unreasonable to me, but that's about how much the Diluc skin or a 10-pull costs so that's about as low as I could see it going. At this price Hoyoverse loses out on the potential thousands of dollars that people spend getting a C6 limited 5-star as it'll be reduced to a price of $210. As good as this policy change is for us consumers, I genuinely have no idea how Mihoyo will adhere to this new policy without losing a shit ton of revenue.
I suppose they could just make them cost primos, like 15k primos per 5* character, and 1.5k for a 4* character for example, you could technically get them without spending any money while still costing about as much as they would from pulls
@@Legendary-st9of 15k primos to buy a 5-star outright is pretty awful. That's still ~$200 worth of Genesis Crystals that you have to buy and convert into Primogems or ~100 days worth of Welkin + Daily Commissions. That amount of Primogems is also enough to get you a 5-star from hitting pity on a banner while also giving you a bunch of 4-stars and a chance to get the 5-star much earlier.
30$ for a character that's just a robbery broad daylight
I think your thoughtful reply to the video has hit upon a Very fascinating point that gotcha by its very genre is predatory to the core, the dark patterns that are found in these games is nothing to scoff at psychologists have been doing research on how effective they are at sanity squeezing players
They are trying to hide the real cost. Cuz high prices freak people out. It's strange if you play genshin thinking what if you can get all C6 R5 just by paying $60. It's seems too cheap isn't it? But it's the price of 1 AAA titles. And what actually the cost of all C6R5? $6k? Well, does it mean all content in genshin worth 100 titles of AAA games?
I wonder how many problems this is causing in China to make them wave the ban hammer despite the impact to the stock market?
I saw a documentary on video game / Internet addiction camps about 8 years ago, but wasn’t able to find much of a follow up.
The idea of the law is good. The actual results will be bad.
1) The game will be deprived of its way to compel me to log in each day. During some filler patch, I'll stop playing and just not begin again. Most players will, I imagine.
2) Businesses are, well, businesses. If they can't make their money under the current system, they'll add something more invasive. Maybe F2P won't be an option any more and everyone will have to pay a couple bucks per month. Or maybe they'll market the things they sell more heavily in-game and turn Genshin into a pop-up ad fest like I think of with most F2P games.
I disagree with your first point. This is because the reason why I'm still playing Genshin (from day one) is because I can just spend 10-20 minutes a day to keep up. I've already played and quitted a ton of other MMORPGs and they usually lasted under 1 year, mostly months. So if they have to remove more fomo features from their game, I would be so happy, because as a working adult, I sometimes cannot play Genshin and wanted to just rest, but because I don't want to miss out on the 160 resin and the daily commissions, I have to sit for another 10-20 minutes (thankfully) before I can go to bed.
I think that removing the gotcha system would absolutely hurt these games. I don’t think people realize how much of a huge part the polling system is for the community such as community summons, for, and it would also hurt free to play because I was able to get Navia and her weapon without spending a dollar if it was purchasable, I probably would’ve spent money not realizing I was about to get lucky in the next couple days..
True, but you said it yourself, you would have relied on luck to get what you wanted for less than just purchasing it. There should absolutely be an alternative method for people who just don't want to gamble and take the risk and just want to enjoy the content.
@@mailpack584 I truly think it will hurt these games..players are just so entitled they think they deserve every part of every game
@@mailpack584 remember, this is a free to play game
@@pretty.billy. Well yeah, it would hurt the game because the players would get angry, not because the mechanic is bad. It literally makes getting new characters more fair and affordable, it would certainly hurt Hoyo's bottom line, but hey, the fairest choice is hardly ever the most profitable choice.
The new rules will not wipe the Gacha system, it only state that there should be an alternative way to get it other than Gacha. It can be with Genesis crystal or purchasing directly using real money.
AFAIK, there is not upper limit for the price, so if they price one limited 5 stars characters for $10,000/-, no one will buy it. But it will comply with the new law.
rumor has it that there’s going to be a spending limit added - that might put a dent in the monthly bread flow
If they enforce the regulation to the extreme then these games will no longer free to play.
If Welkin no longer available then there's literally no equivalent to it other than regular top up, it's a very helpful tool for low spender.
If gacha elements no longer available to get a character you need at least equivalent to 100-180 fates to buy one guarantee 5*. If there's no wishes, there's no chances of pulls and no 50/50 or early pity or double pity. Everyone WILL get less.
Some people would like this but some probably not. You need to pick your poison. They want money and no way they'll let their game will have lower in revenue.
By the way I don't care if they enforce the regulation or not, I'm just stated the truth. There's no upside except for morality.
well if they're gonna do any changes to accomodate the new laws, i hope to god they bring back old event weapons. the only one im missing is festering desire and it pains me to not have it.
also the poor albedo players who missed cinnabar spindle...
I'm not actually sure if those laws would affect Genshin, at least outside of China. If I remember correctly, Hoyoverse moved operations over to their subsidiary, Cognosphere, which is located in Singapore.
Plus there was that whole femboy ban thing or whatever, yet here we are with Lyney and Freminet, and Venti, Gorou and Xingqiu haven’t changed at all. Not even an Amber, Jean, Rosaria, Mona thing. So either Hoyo already figured it out, or they just do not give a flying fuck (or both tbf)
@@pixelpudding3914 Gorou is a femboy? Non-human animals can be male too lol.
I don't get why people keep desperately clinging onto the fact that the distributor is in Singapore like that's gonna change anything. If that was the case then why do all the new cutscenes not feature characters like jean and stuff with their old outfits. How come ayakas extended banner was a global thing. Plus outside of regulatory/legal problems if one server features changes that another server doesn't, well yeah we all know what happenrd with that honkai 3 incident
@@pixelpudding3914 did you know about the specific wording of the law or did you just hear from whatever youtuber told you about it.
its neither - ccp deliberately allows them more because the stuff they do is non-offending for the most part, and they are basically the main export to overseas. i mean, the recent museum event definitely shows it - that museum doesnt collab with just ANY company, let alone game company. @@pixelpudding3914
I only reached 20 years old a month ago but maybe I'm still too young to really understand how the new law would affect Genshin in a good or a bad way!
I mean, based on what people are saying in the comments, it got mixed reactions so it really hard to know for sure!
Gacha in this game is fine(although I lost almost every 50/50) but I can really make do with what they have given and actually still clear the Abyss pretty well!
But at the end of the day, I hope that the new law won't affect the gameplay and the the story of this game!
Artifacts also have unreasonable drop rates does it also comes under in game objects cause its totally rng and id love to change to stats by sacrificing other artifacts to build strong characters fast
Hoyoverse already got rid of daily battle pass missions in Star Rail. I wonder how they will solve reasonable price part.
yeah i only found out this morning and i was so confused where the daily bp missions were, that explains a lot
The idea of buying the item you want directly can be tricky in terms of pricing since its hard to say for sure what is considered a fair price, plus the use of the terminology "coveted items" would suggest that only the new or most saught after items would be available for purchase. This can also be an issue since the item can be a single powerful character who can only fulfill a specified role and is useless without a proper team which can only be obtained from the gacha, or it can be a powerful weapon that can only be used by a character who is not available for direct purchase. Let's not forget that these characters and weapons must obtained multiple times to fully power them up so it is also possible that you can buy a character and/or weapon once but only at their weakest state and still be forced to have to go through the gacha to get them again to upgrade them which is also manipulation. In fact, the new Devil may Cry gacha game does exactly this. You can buy the strongest dps character and his Unique weapon directly for 2 (very steep) flat rates, one for the character and one for the weapon, and only they can be bought directly in this manner, for his team and their weapons must still be obtained through the gacha as well as his and the weapon's upgrade fragments and fragments for the team and their weapons as well. There are MANY manipulation tactics used in gacha that still needs to be addressed as developers are already trying to find loop holes in the regulations to continue to take advantage of people with addictive personalities and continue to encourage gambling.
They aren't concerned about the manipulation, just trying to get you to play the game less
love the honesty with you not acting like a professional in the field but just saying it how it is and giving your opinion very honest and love it!
So if they decided to remove the gacha mechaninc, what are we supposed to do with the primos? Will that be the in-game currency or we have to buy the characters and weapons using our own real money?
I also like to think of it as a potential for hoyo to add more endgame content besides the abyss, one where you can earn primos a certain other way that isn’t events or intense team building
It'll probably cost $100 to just buy a banner character, but what I'm interested in is what will it cost to buy a Jean, Mona, or Tignari? I'm in the middle of getting the new battle pass sword to R5 so I'll just be assed out or can I buy more for $4.99 directly because you won't get the other stuff with it? So strange to see how this will play out.
Wow, I love how they try to prevent spending in video games by increasing the need for people to spend money in video games…
I do not think these will be removed. Game companies will just change how you earn these in game to circunvent the law. And the Law is not about banning dailies but login bonuses (which i don't think it includes daily quests)
+even if it includes daily quests it can be changed as a system that you earn points and trade them later for rewards
+instead of having 2X for your first purchase it can be replaced with specials packs that are one time only deal
gacha companies will not simply die out, mihoyo already branched out to global and has a more diverse market but for gacha companies that are only in China this might prove to be a challenge
Why would they take away daily quests? That doesn't make sense.
This could heavily impact Genshin in a bad way especially if they don't start rewarding heavily like they should.
If these laws pass, they have to get rid of welkin and commissions completely. If they do this they'd probably have to ensure higher rewards through events/abyss... and Welkin they'd probably have to give it as a lump-sum on the date they'd have to remove it. So say you have 200 days of Welkin on January 14th as an example, say that's the date they legally have to remove it... well then you'd get a one time reward of the remaining primogems you had left on welkin before they removed it. (Which is around 18k primogems at 200 days)
They have to also satisfy the whales and dolphins too, and if there is a spending limit... well then they're not going to be too happy if they cannot C6R5 their characters. Not to mention they fund this game the most in comparison to the f2p and small spenders. Genshin will have to most likely add all characters into the shop or make every character accessible through the banners at all times, remove pity completely and also make it to where everything is guaranteed at "X" amount of wishes. The spending limit would ruin the enjoyment for all the spenders if they cannot get what they want. They could allow people to spend however much in any other area of the world, but would most likely kill their Chinese playerbase due to the fact that they couldn't do this. These changes would most likely effect everyone. They would have to most likely dedicate more people on their staff to global, which would probably cost more money (which they'd make less of most likely from these laws) if they wanted to keep these changes for the Chinese playerbase only, that would then also make every other player that these changes *don't* effect, very mad. So as I said, these changes would most likely effect everyone. They're seriously in a sticky situation and would have to change a LOT and be extremely cautious if these laws pass.
They'd also have to find a way to make money through other methods as characters and weapons as a whole will be easier to get for everyone... lowering the income they'd make from banners due to these laws as a whole, they'd have to target areas where these laws don't necessarily take effect. Which could then make an angry and unsatisfied community in China, as they'd have to ensure the satisfaction of the Chinese players, they'd have to reward everyone better... meaning there's almost no way except to make these changes for everyone. Other places flat out just won't have spending limits, which Genshin has no control over.
I don't think people understand that if Genshin doesn't do things properly, these laws could literally kill the game as they've shown to be extremely greedy and the quality of this game could quickly go downhill if they don't do this properly and treat everyone fairly.
Star rail since their patch update already removed daily login things on their BP. They essentially replaced everything with weekly tasks instead. There is still daily login 50 premium currency reward but I’m guessing that stays because it’s essentially free (not paid for) like how the battle pass can be paid for.
I just want to list some things I want for Genshin here.
1. Respawning chests and puzzles. Once you start reaching high map exploration%, the game starts to feel boring and there's not much reason not to fast travel everywhere. Exploring and finding treasures/solving puzzles was one of my favourite things in the game. Allowing chests and puzzles to respawn would give more reason to play the game and give players access to more primogems (even if they have to remove daily commisions from the game).
2. Change Welkins so missing a day doesn't make you miss out on rewards. Allow you to claim it any 30 days rather than consecutive 30 days.
3. Add some way for newer players to play through old events. They could even make older events optional downloads from the launcher to keep the games file size down.
4. Increase resin cap (maybe triple it?) so you don't need to log in every day to avoid missing out.
5. If daily commissions are something that needs to be removed because of these laws, an alternative could be to allow players to go to the adventurers guild to accept commissions as quests and remove the daily limit on them. Though it wouldn't be the most fun thing to do, this would make it possible to grind for primogems. To make up for the loss in profit they might suffer from this, they can start releasing outfits for characters more frequently and monetize more off the cosmetics than the gambling.
As a welkin moon player, I treat Genshin as a monthly subscriptions. 36,000 primos a year for 60 bucks with the welkin. it comes out to 225 wishes so each year I can guarantee myself a featured 5 star weapon. its fairly easy to get the Characters I want (except Jean) without needing a top up, you just have to skip some banners. Does Genshin want to sell a Featured 5 star weapon for 60 bucks? I think the paimon shop is going to get an UPDATE and genesis crystals maybe getting a new use, but it does feel like they are using HSR for the regulation testing grounds, as HSR is a much simpler code and then put it in genshin later on.
I say either completely resetting the abyss for the anniversary event (floors 1-12 with characters) which would effectively get rid of the top up bonus reset or getting rid of the horrible artifact rolling system so people spend less time worrying about their builds. Or simply increasing drop rates. I have a ton of ideas. This comment was supposed to be longer but my phone deleted it while I was editing 🙃
The direct payments for limited stuff is great the other stuff like banning daily login double top ups is bad we may just see stuff which ain’t worth the amount we had before.
Couldn't they just let the daily rewards stack or the missions stack so you wont feel the need to do the missions everyday rather than getting rid of them? While also adding a way players can get primos without a credit card like a survival the longer you survive the more primos you get and every 5 or 10 rounds the amount of primos you get increases 5 or 10
It is crazy and potentially huge!
The idea behind buying a flat rate character for say $150 vs spending $150 and getting the same character is mostly getting the 4 stars, and the in game resources to buy things in the shop right? So I can see them both coexisting, some won't care about the 4 stars, some will it'll do what it do
As a FTP, one of the most fun parts is pulling for characters and seeing what you get. If you could outright purchase it, that would suck all the fun out of initially getting the character. I would want a game that has a gacha system in it, but does not involve spending IRL money. Players could risk it and pull on a banner without the primos, or save them for the character they want. People would get what they get and there would be more strategy in picking and choosing characters and which ones to invest constellations on. Whales would not be happy though... Or Mihoyo lol
Is it possible that, even if these laws come into practice, it would only effect the CN version of the game? Like who is to say that the global version of the game has to follow these new laws, especially considering some countries have stricter censorship (the infamous Silent Hill Homecoming in Australia/Germany, where everything was virtually the same except for one scene?) but others do not?
I thought that racoon was some kind of insect on my screen😂.
china law with global impact
Surprisingly China is a role model in this case, I hope all other countries follow.
So whales will lose everything they've invested and spent, therefore Mihoyo will have less money in the long run and potentially less updates.
How are whales losing everything they spent? To my knowledge, nothing was said about retroactively undoing all gambling purchases that were done in the past. That would be an impossible task anyways.
Nah low spenders gets kicked
I think if they were to offer you the ability to purchase characters they'ed go with an option like you can only Buy your First Copy or they Put the characters onto A Subscription "yes you are buying the character well a licence to use (for a month at a time)"
This is my expectation unless they make it so the law says permanently purchase the character (I also expect them to be forced to charge something reasonable like below $100(especially because once they see a price tag of 450 per character I doubt most people will stay and pay)
This will effect the game in China.
I'm sure for outside they won't care this is what people aren't getting.
Look at how gachas are in Belgium. They still run they just don't let them purchase currency
I'm just hope it doesn't affect my current active welkin moon once the law is in active. Farming primo gems is fun but also draining and burns you out so the welkin helps me out.
I honestly would be happy with daily missions being gone, and not having to log in once a day and feel like your missing out if you dont. its litterally the first thing i think about every morning, and i dont want it to have that power over me, im already in to deep so i cant just quit, but id like to be able to just play whenever i actually feel like it instead of being forced to
I doubt that hoyo will allow you to just purchase a limited character outright. the gacha just makes them way too much money or if they do then theyll make it so unappealing to do so that the vast majority of people will just ignore it and stick to gacha. But they've dodges so many chinese media regulations before that i geniuenly doubt we'll be seeing any changes at all.
A whole new level of greed So absolutely no way to gain primos without spending? Alot of people will quit genshin and other games as well
The only thing I really buy is Welkin because it’s cheap and I do my commissions every day. Then I get off. I only do my comms so when my favorite character’s banner rolls around, I can pull for them. If that gets removed, I’ll probably be playing a lot less, depending on what they replace it with. Been falling out of Genshin lately anyways so it won’t hurt me too much, and it’ll be good for whales since they won’t have as much to blow their money on. But I believe that HYV would take a financial hit if they were to remove their gacha and daily systems.
Damn im very scared rn, i just purchase max welkin (210 days) last month😢
This will help your wallet
I'm always maxing out welkin... and I'm not scared at all. They won't just delete the system outright, I'd assume they'd disable new purchases first for at least 210 days - and then delete the system.
At the end of the day, I still paid for it, so I have the right to it.
I'm hoping that if these do go forward in a big way that they allow players to cash out their Welkin Moons since we purchased them with the intent to get these primos over time.
@@Azure_Aether Yeah that'd be pretty fair. Also imagine if Mihoyo did a giant sale before the rules went in place
@@jetkirby3981 how BC its our Money ?
I like the little guy running with my progress bar
I play other gachas, but only f2p to get my waifu pngs and have some 15 min fun administrating my resourse etc and Genshin is the only game that i buy the welkin regularly because is a good game and i consider it sort of a membership that i can afford
And so, i love the pulling aspect of this games, is fun, but if they add a side option to Buy directly that would be nice, as long as they dont take away the gacha part :)
These companies won’t profit less but instead change where and how they profit. Tbh Genshin’s gacha is super mild so I really don’t see the issue as someone who buys passes and welkin. Those add up to an optional subscription of $11.66 a month which is way cheaper than alternatives. If there are changes, there is a solid chance, they end up for the worse like how battle passes replaced loot boxes in games.
HSR daily BP has been replace with weekly now TuT
Well if there was a purchase of a limited character, it will mostlikely be the amount of summoning mats to reach pity twice in Genshin's case, 180 pulls and non-limited characters would be 90 pulls. Either luck out or just sink the "same amount" of money without wasting time.
I want resin cap to change because the artifact system wont change so ive been farming 3+ weeks on furina domain and no luck in getting good sets for her all def def like i never had such bad luck in a domain like i do with hers i cant even properly build rizz lee xD
I have been farming that domain since neuvilette came out and still no circlet with both CR and CD.
But lucky for me, I can see it as daily resin burn rather than a chore.
so take note CR/CD circlet, you gotta be mine sooner or later :D
@@OoOzZon I don’t remember it being that hard to get crit rate crit dmg head piece in old domains likeee
@@Notrealgohan RNG god hates me. :P
They will most like keep the resin as it helps Chinese laws. The less resin makes it possible for players not to login twice a day. It was 120 before. But players were complaining too much. But it is still bad as kids or teens will keep on playing the game if resin increases.
@@Notrealgohanit is difficult. Getting a set piece and that too for the right place. I did Navia domain atleast for 4-5 days, I spent all daily resin and 10 half moon resin that I got from rewards and BP. But after 30 plus domain challenges I didn't get even a single Geo Damage Bonus artifact, not even in 4 star.
Is the commissions are counted as "daily log in" ? 🤔
Dailies don’t have to go away at all. Would be better to just put characters/weapons in the store that people want to buy. With no “Crystal Top Up.”
Been F2P for three years
Got a mega rush of emotion when I finally got Raiden yesterday. Guess what happened?
I leveled her up as much as I could with the mats I had and still didn’t use real money to keep drawing.
When it comes to these loot boxes/ gacha style systems, i really like how games like tf2 are able to implement them. For one, the only gains you ever get from these loot boxes are entirely cosmetic, which is good as they do not affect the core gameplay, unlike genshin where having and not having a character locks you out of so many playstyles. Even though unusual hats exist, ince again they are purely cosmetic. Furthermore with the random drop system, although yes it is random, but ALL weapons are unlockable eventually by all players at absolutely 0 cost. Obviously the nature of a story driven rpg and a fps game are different and so naturally the gacha/drop systems are fundamentally different i honestly dont think its too bad of an idea allowing us to have access to characters abd weapons but make purchasing different cosmetics and skins a premium
I think it will GOOD once ANYTHING THAT COSTS MONEY is abolished from gaming. Stuff like loot boxes, battle passes and the like SHOULD BE BANNED. If they want people to play their game, then offer skins and things in a store that you buy DIRECTLY. Have event exclusive items in game that players can earn, even having dailies or weekly missions and quests is FINE because they dont cost the player MONEY.
It will be interesting to see how this is implemented, but it's genuinely funny that being pushed back to a model where you just play the game and unlock things feels alien. I bet a lot of people have forgotten a time when video games weren't constantly draining money from their wallets like they do now
How about you just don't spend even Welkin's, I mean Americans really thinks that spending 400 dollars a month in entertainment is normal some people just literally pay their internet bills and do their dailies
And for some countries the period of 2015 and 2024 now is like the beginning where video games are accepted as a hobby you know your elders does not scrutinize you for even playing sudoku
I doubt limited events such as Liben and other limited events would be specifically targeted, cause they're announce ahead of times and are used to promote the games. Unless they specifically go after limited time events... which, let's be honest that pretty much kills EVERY single game out there that has online feature, which would outright kill the market entirely and have every game developer not even bother at that point to release in China.
Buying 5-stars for "a fair price" is gonna be a big make or break, especially if Welkin and the BP get removed (BP is definitely going to get hit in some regard).
Players are easily able to get a 5-star at least once a month from in game rewards, Welkin, and standard BP. That's about $12.50 a month in total cost. Ain't no way I'm going to pay anywhere close to current Wish "comperable value" for a 5-star, which can be upwards of $200 if only buying Genesis.
Then again, the vast majority of revenue for live service games come from whales, not people like me, so we could get screwed.
3:30 it sad that so many people see it this way,i lost so many primos in genshin i thing i could have 1-2 5 stars more now(just from events and codes),but i dont care i play it if i have nothing to do in other games if not i quit genshin for few weeks/months and come back after.
The proposed law states something like it being put out there for kids. For me, any "think of the children" argument is an immediate red flag. There is no secret cabal of eight-year-olds out there swiping their parents cards. Also, there is no test for what counts as "reasonable".
Personally, I would like to be able to continue earning my characters and not asked to pony up $40-$60 USD I don't have everytime a new character drops.
Setting my objections aside, being able to buy Constellations though doesn't seem (too) unreasonable.
imagine if after you finish a character's story quest/hangout you will have the option to buy them
Brawl Stars did a good exmple to implement the gacha system and also a way to get the character w/o spending money
they used to have loot boxes with a little prob to have a legendary drop, pretty much the pity system w/o the guaranteed
they totally removed it and put the Starr road and the Starr prizes.
In the road you can select a character that you want to unlock and unlock it passively with the rewards that they give to you as you play, and you can change (once) the character that you want to unlock (of the same rarity) and dont lose any progress
the star prizes are very much like loot boxes, but they are a plus and not the main way to get character, besides they are limited to te ones in the free battle pass and the three dailies they give to you as you play the game
you, can still buy characters with gems, so, you can wait to gather enough points to unlock a character or just buy it with gems
i think it was a nice take on the gacha system and pretty much people in the BS comm is happy with it
It sounds like no matter what, there will be improvements to the Gacha system. I'm in
Reasonable pirce for 5 star for flat value would be crazy.
Lets say a 5 star will cost $50 and each constellation is $20 so a c6 character would cost you $170. Mihoyo will be missing out on a lot of money when c6 characters would've cost thousands before the update. But hey if that was the case then i would be down to waste $170 more often.
Anyone notice the racoon sync with the replay ?
Yes
Agree on the general gacha quality. I did not start gi because of the gacha.
I started because hu tao
DIRECT PURCHASE OPTIONS PLEASE. Let me guarantee my waifus for a set amount of, well, whatever sort of currency.
That would be a dream come true.
new ratheil video dropped YESSSSS
I would actually start playing Genshin again if that happens
When I'm thinking about the prices for a skin in Genshin Impact (around 25€), I can't wait to dirctly buy characters for like 300€ x.x
if it really is specifically *daily* im down for it, if daily commissions were instead weekly comissions (with 7x the rewards over current) it would be way more accessible and feel a lot less chore-y
i dont think weekly is really something that can feasibly feel fomo-ish for me personally
China just went back on these changes after Tencent, NetEase and Bilibili stocks plummeted in value, with damages estimated to be 80 Billion dollars from these 3 alone
I think these are definitely good things.
Gatchas get most of their money from a subset of players with poor impulse control, and these aren’t people who necessarily have the money to spend. It is gambling, and it’s exactly as predatory as gambling.
If genshin died because of these changes, I mean… people wouldn’t be tempted to spend money gambling only just to get a random Qiqi. Or spend 1000$ for some dinky 5-star C6.
It wouldn’t be the end of the world, even if story wise, it’d be rather disappointing.
That said, Genshin could probably get away with moving Daily primos into quests, and just, making them permanent content, and Events could be entirely accessible Day 1, HSR could just change their events to not stop giving rewards. And genshin could get rid of event deadlines.
That said, if the Chinese government ever started targeting new content as just another way of keeping players hooked, that might change.
Idk. It’s definitely good though.
I wish America’s government cared and how exploitative gatchas are.
Yeah I find it incredibly hilarious that the authoritarian dictator ship with Orwellian levels of social control has the Genuine best interest of their citizens playing video games of all things