Does Reverse Grip SUCK?! My opinion after testing it out for myself..
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- I did a video on arious grips of the longsword and this is the only one people cared about! Well I figure I should try it out! #reversegrip
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Seems a viable tool in the toolkit. Excellent work bringing quite a bit of light to the matter. Maybe this will urge others to give the matter some more respect.
I think the beard is looking pretty good like this. Also lovely exploration of the historical showings here. Definitely seems like a sometimes option that's good to have in your kit.
Beautiful work. Nice to see someone doing the proper research.
Thanks!
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman I have one thing I would like to see tried out. A long time ago we did some LARP foam sword fighting at the office. I once picked up an extra sword reverse grip in my left hand, and I remember I was crushing it with that combo, because I could do same tempo parry attacks! I think that sword even had a hand guard, so the reverse grip sword became like a buckler essentially, with extra good leg protection. Maybe that could be a topic for a follow up? Is reverse grip better for a second sword in dual wield?
@@robertrenbris2334 Biomechanics says that in many/most cases, you're better off using a conventional grip for the off-hand weapon. There are a variety of issues, but perhaps the most important is that reversing the sword also reverses the direction of the torque applied to the wrist. That means different muscles are stressed, and in the case of cutting and blocking, those muscles are substantially weaker in reverse-grip.
However, whether that's an issue or not depends on the situation. Light-and-squishy LARP weapons and LARP-ish rules? No problem. Full-weight steel weapons and an opponent willing to swing for the fences? _Big_ problem.
Couple caveats with this, though. First, it only applies if the sword is being used one-handed and the rules treat doubles as a bad thing. And second, unless you care more about looking cool than winning or you're a hardcore Godinho practitioner trapped in a confined space with multiple opponents that all have less reach than you do, you'd be better off ditching that second sword for a dagger, buckler, or shield. 😉
@@irrelevantfish1978 Yes, I agree, but still interesting to answer the question, if it is better than nothing? For example against an opponent with just one blade?
Because the problem with dual wield is that it takes some skill not to mess it up, and using the second sword in reverse grip makes it closer to a shield in biomecanics, and it can be used more passivley.
For a person that is untrained at dual wield, but trained at sword and buckler, and suddenly for some reason has an extra sword that can be used, perhaps it would make sense?
But still, practical experiments is more fun to watch than theoretical discussions.
First time I've heard someone other than myself pronounce it "KAH-tah-nah".
This was good you showed new applications.
Great video :D
Thank you! looks very fun to try
Very nice analysis, as per usual, but I think it's very important to mention that the biomechanics of one-handed reverse-grip and two-handed reverse-grip are radically different, and should be treated as completely separate matters.
There are a number of reasons for this, but perhaps the easiest to explain (though I'll probably botch it anyway, since I'm sick as a dog right now) is that when you're wielding a weapon one-handed, your wrists are free to rotate, and when you're wielding it with two, your wrists are constrained (ie, you can't move them without moving other joints as well). That means that the muscles that flex/rotate your wrist are the weakest links in the kinetic chain when wielding a weapon one-handed, but not a part of the equation when two-handed.
_EDIT:_ Yup, I botched it. A two-handed grip will usually leave the wrists unconstrained on one axis of rotation. However, it's usually the axis that experiences the least torque and is typically controlled by the strongest muscles in one if not both forearms, so my point still stands.
You're better with word than I am lol
@@irrelevantfish1978 I'm not a great fencer, but for some reason when noobies take reverse grip on. handed sword, its much harder for me to not double with them. Something about it just throws me so offguard that they somehow double me. Same about spin attack, one guy took sword first time in their life, and while I was being careful tip toing trying to figure him out, he did an awkward spin and got me with horizontal slash to stomach lol
That is a like.
I gotta say, your work here has best visual so far. It would be great scene in a movie, where swordsman goes against spear - he defends himself with reverse grip, luckily incapacitates spearman. Then has not enough time to reverse grip to normal or just don't want to for some reason and tries to pull of some of the moves you showed. To some, but limited success, then he feels that he needs to grip proplerly, as another guy turns out to be skilled too. Something like that. Not overly theatrical, not overly Hollywood, just old style fencing. Also, I hace flu, sorry for bad grammar.
@@VK-sz4it I get what you mean. Thanks!
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After watching TONS of these kind of videos about “reverse grip” validity, think I can safely say that; “it” is legit as an ADDITION to your properly structured style, I.e. sneaking in “rg” moves between regular cuts n such.
Which I think was what this guy was saying at the end, but idk for sure cuz “you suck” is a pretty stupid ending to a seemingly fair minded video. 😬
@jankarieben1071 fair enough lol one of my shorts got hit with a few "reverse grip sucks" and that seems to be a comment that makes it into the discussion a lot.
@@jankarieben1071 but the main anti reverse grip guy suck compared to this guy lmao
First! Haha yeah
😂 I yield to your right of way and parry
@@Apperceptive_Swordsman cool video brother sometimes it pays to be open minded eh? Reverse grip is one of those things like dual wield, or sword on back or whatever that people get waaay to excited about lol.
Hey so you guys do test cutting! Cool I'm super into cutting 🤘💀
Of the 18 comments in my feed so far, 7 could easily have been generated by a non-LLM AI.
@@comradebork is this a legitimate observation or just an insult
Your opponents are so bad at judging distance and staying out of your measure it's no surprise reverse grip worked.
Jeez give me some credit 🤣
Interesting... interesting. With this video, coupled with the rare, but existing cases of people making spinning attacks work for them in sparring or HEMA, I'm starting to wonder what would happen if you took the "Hollywood swordfighting" tropes: "(Reverse grip, spinning attacks ect.) took what has been shown to work for them in real life, and tried to build an actual functioning fighting style out of it. What would this Reconstruction look like? What would its uses be?