Absolutely Stellar Lesson! As a former LEO and a Retired (30 year EMT), your lessons and talks are spot on! Times are changing and not only do these "Content Creators" seek attention & viewers but....many of them are seeking a big lawsuit settlement for "Violation of their Civil Rights" as well as any injury or distress. Please, Brothers & Sisters....Don't rise to the bait! Bless you all & be safe!
You do have the right to record on public property, but in areas such as malls, stores, etc. that are publicly accessible, you actually don't have a right to privacy, so legally the police can't do anything if you are being recorded, but since it's technically private property, the property owner might have a policy against recording and can kick you out.
I love this exchange of ideas. This subject is often misunderstood by both Law Enforcement and Private Security. I get hired by private entities that own private property (I’m armed). When I show up to a new location, one of my first questions is, “where does your property line start and stop and where are any public easements?” I have only had ONE who could give me a definitive answer. If there’s a public sidewalk, that helps a lot…that’s where it’s none of our business. Otherwise, I take an educated guess…not my favorite choice, but no other option. The bottom line is that I always tell a photographer/videographer that it’s perfectly fine to engage in his business activity (i.e., film me) from ____(I point/direct them to a public location)_____, but they can’t remain on private property, whether engaged in their activities or not. I immediately start asking them about their camera equipment (I use to own a photography business) and make recommendations on the best use of lenses and lighting. This puts us on common grounds of interest. Now we’re fellow shutterbug enthusiasts. Even if it’s just a cell phone , I inquire as to the specifics of distance, focus length, f-stop equivalence, etc. It really messes with their OODA Loop 🤷🏻♂️😁 Some won’t answer, and that’s fine…I now know their temperament. I’ve never had anyone who argued and some even thanked me for being informed. It’s all done in a sympathetic manner that I understand making a living as a photographer. I just don’t use any phrases that can be edited as a sound-bite. For example, I try to never use “while filming,” rather I use “while engaging in your business activities.” For example: If I say, “Sir, you can’t film from here, but you can film from over there,” they’ll edit out the latter part of the sentence and have me saying “Sir, you can’t film….” But, if I put it in the positive, “Sir, it’s perfectly fine for you to engage in your business from over there, and I’ll be glad to walk you over so you have a clear understanding of the approved area,” then there’s not much to edit. I’m almost always with another Officer, and we make radio contact. If I’m by myself, I won’t offer to walk with them. Remember, distance is your insurance. I don’t mind being friendly…I do mind walking ahead of them or very close to them. I’ve been doing this 10 years, and I’ve never had an issue…but there’s always a first…don’t get complacent. Knowledge is power…know what IS allowed and what is NOT allowed in advance…winging-it puts you behind the power curve. Stay safe
I have seen this policy vary from company to company and client to client. I tell the officers who come through my classes to A) be knowledgeable of the client policy regarding video recording/photos and B) if met by an auditor, be professional and courteous, advise them of their legal boundaries and as long as the auditor isn't trespassing, they can continue with their activity.
We're all about keeping things shipshape. Our officers are trained and well-versed in client policies and legal boundaries, so you can trust we've got it covered when it comes to professionalism and compliance. We appreciate your perspective! Stay safe out there!
I love watching this specific topic because it’s clear no one had the proper training on it besides the “answer questions” training. SMH. But it’s one of those things that if you know, then you know. If you don’t know, then you don’t know and really do no good and do no service at protection of property and people.
These kids where I work as a supervisor they love to pull out the cellphones and record. I don’t really mind as long as they aren’t in the way of what I’m doing. Remain professional, stick to protocol and you’ll be fine. My opinion.
It should also be addressed that the CLIENT needs to be made aware that they can't just summon the Security Officers and order them to "Run them off" or "Kick them out"! The Client/Manager/Employees often try to order Security to "Remove them". This forces the Officer to walk a fine line between angering a client OR becoming famous on CZcams.
Honestly if someone's recording me I just smile and wave. I will only stop them when they begin to harass others, or begin filming sensitive areas of my establishment.
You can't stop someone from filming in a public area even if it's a security concern. Anything that's private or a security risk should always be in a secure area where members of the public can't access.
I love this topic. Record me all you want. I do my job right and professional. I’d handle it at a local and DHS investigation and watch list level. Through the proper channels and process. Depending on their demeanor of course. The way I look at it from the type of training perspectives I’ve done. Only a terrorist, a criminal terrorist or other criminals plotting against the property and workers are testing security responses. Or just simply, they’re people with no lives looking for drama. Only the untrained mindsets would bother approaching first and ask to stop recording. I’ve worked with some guards that failed miserably! I wish I was working that day because I would’ve stopped them from making themselves and the company look foolish! Unless it’s recording of confidential and private information or harassing someone, can violate someones rights and privileges. I wouldn’t even bother saying a word about the camera only under those two circumstances. If a guard gets frustrated over that, time to look for a new line of work. They’re dangerous and a liability to themselves, the client and the company.
Hey just let them know that the recording device will be confiscated by the police as material evidence.So when they lose their expensive toy.They will learn the hard way.
If all they are doing is recording the Police would have no lawful reason to confiscate their phones, and the Professional Auditors know that. I haven't researched this but I've seen video's where they have flat out told Police "go ahead, I've already won one lawsuit against your department". I don't know what the law on that is in other Countries, but here in the USA it's legal to film anything that can be seen from a public place.
Absolutely Stellar Lesson! As a former LEO and a Retired (30 year EMT), your lessons and talks are spot on! Times are changing and not only do these "Content Creators" seek attention & viewers but....many of them are seeking a big lawsuit settlement for "Violation of their Civil Rights" as well as any injury or distress. Please, Brothers & Sisters....Don't rise to the bait! Bless you all & be safe!
Anyone can record you in public. The best way is to be professional at all times. Let them record you. There's no privacy in public. Great video.
That's right it's a First Amendment right issue.
You do have the right to record on public property, but in areas such as malls, stores, etc. that are publicly accessible, you actually don't have a right to privacy, so legally the police can't do anything if you are being recorded, but since it's technically private property, the property owner might have a policy against recording and can kick you out.
I love this exchange of ideas. This subject is often misunderstood by both Law Enforcement and Private Security. I get hired by private entities that own private property (I’m armed). When I show up to a new location, one of my first questions is, “where does your property line start and stop and where are any public easements?” I have only had ONE who could give me a definitive answer. If there’s a public sidewalk, that helps a lot…that’s where it’s none of our business. Otherwise, I take an educated guess…not my favorite choice, but no other option.
The bottom line is that I always tell a photographer/videographer that it’s perfectly fine to engage in his business activity (i.e., film me) from ____(I point/direct them to a public location)_____, but they can’t remain on private property, whether engaged in their activities or not. I immediately start asking them about their camera equipment (I use to own a photography business) and make recommendations on the best use of lenses and lighting. This puts us on common grounds of interest. Now we’re fellow shutterbug enthusiasts. Even if it’s just a cell phone , I inquire as to the specifics of distance, focus length, f-stop equivalence, etc. It really messes with their OODA Loop 🤷🏻♂️😁 Some won’t answer, and that’s fine…I now know their temperament.
I’ve never had anyone who argued and some even thanked me for being informed. It’s all done in a sympathetic manner that I understand making a living as a photographer. I just don’t use any phrases that can be edited as a sound-bite.
For example, I try to never use “while filming,” rather I use “while engaging in your business activities.”
For example: If I say, “Sir, you can’t film from here, but you can film from over there,” they’ll edit out the latter part of the sentence and have me saying “Sir, you can’t film….”
But, if I put it in the positive, “Sir, it’s perfectly fine for you to engage in your business from over there, and I’ll be glad to walk you over so you have a clear understanding of the approved area,” then there’s not much to edit. I’m almost always with another Officer, and we make radio contact. If I’m by myself, I won’t offer to walk with them.
Remember, distance is your insurance. I don’t mind being friendly…I do mind walking ahead of them or very close to them.
I’ve been doing this 10 years, and I’ve never had an issue…but there’s always a first…don’t get complacent. Knowledge is power…know what IS allowed and what is NOT allowed in advance…winging-it puts you behind the power curve.
Stay safe
Interesting approach! Thanks for sharing!
I have seen this policy vary from company to company and client to client. I tell the officers who come through my classes to A) be knowledgeable of the client policy regarding video recording/photos and B) if met by an auditor, be professional and courteous, advise them of their legal boundaries and as long as the auditor isn't trespassing, they can continue with their activity.
We're all about keeping things shipshape. Our officers are trained and well-versed in client policies and legal boundaries, so you can trust we've got it covered when it comes to professionalism and compliance. We appreciate your perspective! Stay safe out there!
Great tips! Such a great perspective, this just helped me flip the switch . Doing security at an airport , there’s always “that recorder”…
Thank you, glad it helped!
Love watching these. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I love watching this specific topic because it’s clear no one had the proper training on it besides the “answer questions” training. SMH.
But it’s one of those things that if you know, then you know. If you don’t know, then you don’t know and really do no good and do no service at protection of property and people.
These kids where I work as a supervisor they love to pull out the cellphones and record. I don’t really mind as long as they aren’t in the way of what I’m doing. Remain professional, stick to protocol and you’ll be fine. My opinion.
Working at a casino, I'm being recorded by 10 other cameras usually. It doesn't change anything
It can also be a distraction while their friends are robbing a store to get in your face
It should also be addressed that the CLIENT needs to be made aware that they can't just summon the Security Officers and order them to "Run them off" or "Kick them out"! The Client/Manager/Employees often try to order Security to "Remove them". This forces the Officer to walk a fine line between angering a client OR becoming famous on CZcams.
There are probably security cameras around anyway.
I work in a Hospital, and of course we have HIPAA. Any suggestions? (Of course there is no one-all)
Just do your job correctly and professionally, and you have nothing to worry about.
Honestly if someone's recording me I just smile and wave. I will only stop them when they begin to harass others, or begin filming sensitive areas of my establishment.
I honesty dont give a shit, let em record
I have not run this by my boss, but what about playing copywrited music so that if they post it online, it can be removed? ;-)
What if you Request to stop filming because of security reasons and they still continue to film? Over all great concepts
When in doubt contact supervisor so you don't make a mistake.
You can't stop someone from filming in a public area even if it's a security concern. Anything that's private or a security risk should always be in a secure area where members of the public can't access.
I love this topic. Record me all you want. I do my job right and professional.
I’d handle it at a local and DHS investigation and watch list level. Through the proper channels and process. Depending on their demeanor of course.
The way I look at it from the type of training perspectives I’ve done. Only a terrorist, a criminal terrorist or other criminals plotting against the property and workers are testing security responses. Or just simply, they’re people with no lives looking for drama.
Only the untrained mindsets would bother approaching first and ask to stop recording. I’ve worked with some guards that failed miserably! I wish I was working that day because I would’ve stopped them from making themselves and the company look foolish!
Unless it’s recording of confidential and private information or harassing someone, can violate someones rights and privileges.
I wouldn’t even bother saying a word about the camera only under those two circumstances.
If a guard gets frustrated over that, time to look for a new line of work. They’re dangerous and a liability to themselves, the client and the company.
Just do your damn Job , you are on camera all the time anyway .
Hey just let them know that the recording device will be confiscated by the police as material evidence.So when they lose their expensive toy.They will learn the hard way.
Material evidence of what? It's not a crime to record. The police will not confiscate footage.
If all they are doing is recording the Police would have no lawful reason to confiscate their phones, and the Professional Auditors know that. I haven't researched this but I've seen video's where they have flat out told Police "go ahead, I've already won one lawsuit against your department". I don't know what the law on that is in other Countries, but here in the USA it's legal to film anything that can be seen from a public place.