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- A Security Officer encounters an upset male customer who starts smashing computers in the store. Do you think the Security Officer should have done more, or was this handled appropriately? We break it down with the Joshes.
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You seem like a great company to work for.. Just please move you operation to GA... LOL
We are expanding, maybe we will get to GA sometime soon. To infinity and beyond...
@Titan Protection If you do move to Atlanta please let me know I will then send you my resume. Thanks
Commonwealth Protection services in Lexington Ky would love some franchise opportunity.
Come to NC, too!
I live in GA you still get fired if you try to stop them.
I was about to say that some contracts don't allow officers (guards) to make any physical contact unless the officer is attacked , which makes me glad I work in healthcare security.
call 911 say that you have a violent subject and you dont know if person is armed.. gurantee cops be there fast. 😂
Pretty sure Walmart security can't get physical
@tankapples depends on state laws
los angeles county yes
@@roderickbryant157 State Laws pretty much allow getting physical, but should you? Sue? Permanet disability? Jobless? Nah. There is literally *NO* reward for getting physical over property, especially at fucking walmart, as allied security/AU or the other big contract companies. You'll be fired essentially as quickly as they can physically tell you your fired.
All in all, better to NOT get physical over property damage that hurts no one.
@@aandyherr817 you have your opinion on the subject and I respect it. I don’t work for any of those companies listed and I can assure that no sir I wouldn’t have gotten fired. Anyway thank God I don’t work at a Walmart and I’m working for a reputable agency.
@@roderickbryant157nope. They have the same rights as a private citizen in most states. More and more security guards are being charged for going over board “hands on”
In this situation, i would just observe and document everything while police are on the way. He is not a deadly threat to myself or others so no need to take action unless he strikes someone to cause bodily harm then we step in and stop him before he harms others. In this case, it was just property being damaged.
And this is exactly 💯 correctly. Can't put hands on the guy just yet. Observe and report that's it
Some people can act violently with out warning. Other need to amp themselves up first. This dude looked like he was amping himself up.
You are the only person I see in the comment section with common sense. Security is observe and report.
Being a “security officer” doesn’t give you immunity 😂 you’ll be charged and lose your job “easiest job anyone can have.
And security company getting sued.
@@coocoo5756depends on state laws and if the Officer is armed or not. There is a difference between a security guard and protection officer. Of course observe and report. We are to protect property as well regardless if he wasn’t dangerous. He did spit on the officer which is a form of battery.
@chrismadison305exactly. They get security guards and security officers mixed up. Guards are trained not to be proactive and observe and report. As an officer we are trained to meet force with force
All depends on what the contract covers. And also what the states in which the security company is located laws dictate. Many factors are in play that dictate what can be done. Some contracts require higher level of response to protect property and some just want a visual deterrence.
That SO had 0 command presence. No command presence, no respect.
Agreed! ZERO command presence. I could hardly hear him asking the subject to leave. Was he wearing sneakers? He didn't even remove the employees from the area to keep them safe.
Damaging property is not worth getting involved. Let them beat up a wall, the risk to the Officer and employees outweighs the damages. Call law enforcement, document the incident and attempt to keep other customers clear. Security doesn’t have a magic wand to end incidents.
Yeah they do it’s called a taser. Lol
Zap Zap instead of Abracadabra...Just remember, if you do decide to deploy and it fails, you are going to have a fight on your hands. I would say most Walmart employees are not going to step in and help you.
@UniversitySecurity it’s thinking like that why so many officers are killed because of that particular mindset. You’re job as an officer is to protect property, people and assets. Also as the authority you are to own it! Clearly this officer didn’t exercise his authority. As a fellow officer I don’t agree with that.
@@roderickbryant157Apparently you disagree with more than a few owners and instructors. We have SOPs for a reason. He’s unarmed, he has no less lethals, and he has no backup. His role is observe and report. He is not escalating. He is clearly telling him to leave. Law Enforcement is in route. He acted appropriately.
Let me make it clear, The minute you go hands on in this scenario, it’s what he likely wants to do, all that rage is going to be directed on you. Most of these unarmed guys have never been in a fight in there life. You want them to learn by getting absolutely destroyed by a person mental crisis? He hasn’t touched anyone, let him yell, keep others away from him.
@@UniversitySecurity who said that I was going hands on and secondly I’ve worked unarmed and I understand where you’re coming from. However my training was different than what you may have went through so excuse my methods. You’re right but, I saw him spit on the Officer which is a form of battery is it not?
As soon as he started throwing shit. My pepper spray or taser would have came out. I totally disagree with not stepping in when a subject is destroying property. They can go from damaging property to damaging a person very quickly. He literally just stood there. I’ve been in situations like that and I definitely wouldn’t have handled it that way.
I agree, I would have detained him with cuffs and when police show up they take over.
@@ThePokeru security can’t detain. I don’t think I would have placed him under arrest but I definitely would attempt to get him to stop throwing stuff and destroying property.
@@bentonhousand4187 it depends on state laws here in Texas security can detain
@@ThePokeru fair enough. Here in California we can’t. We can only arrest.
@@bentonhousand4187 that’s cali for ya
What depends where your site is at in security. In dispensers in california, this will never fly. We will do any means of verbal and body language to get him out the shop
Generally good tips. In the State of Virginia unarmed Officers can try to deescalate a situation, make requests, and defend themselves, although no training on defending themselves is ever given or required in order to be licensed, or required by Security Venders. And it is illegal for unarmed Officers to verbally or physically detain someone for a property or other crime, if they do not have arrest authority. While Armed Security can train on OC, baton, taser, and pistol. The legal responsibility of unarmed Security Officers in the State of Virginia is to observe and report. Which puts them in danger. Because that badge isn’t a shield or a stun gun. The danger, low pay and crappy hours, and double jeopardy with the State, isn’t worth it. That’s why I got both licenses and eventually left Security work. Essentially it is cheaper for a business to get an unarmed Security contract, and it is cheaper for the Security vender to find less skilled workers and pay them less. I am a Capitalist, but I am also a realist. Most contracts should have Armed Security Officers. The unarmed Security Officer in this video should have taken out his cell phone and started recording. He then should have told the manager or employees to leave, and then continued to film the angry person. Then he should have called 911 and let Law Enforcement handle the situation. In my opinion how and what he said wouldn’t haven’t changed what occurred. And he definitely should have moved away after the manager or employees had left. If the angry person had decided to approach the unarmed Security Officer then that Officer should tel him to stay back. If the angry person ignores the command to stay back and advances then he would be committing not only an assault upon the Officer, but would be now in the process of carrying out battery. Depending on how fast the angry person approached, I personally would state again for him to stay back while maneuvering into a better position to take the angry person down if he didn’t stop. In my scenario I think after telling the angry person to stay back, OC would have been a good plan. But again unarmed Security in Virginia can’t use OC on Duty. As to the angry person striking the manager or employees, unarmed Security is not legally allowed to strike the angry person in Virginia. And if they fail at restraining someone who is physically attacking someone else than a fight is most certainly on. Which is why little or no training being given to unarmed Security on restraining and defending is just plain wrong. I worked a total of 3 unarmed Security contracts and was hired for one contract as an Armed Security Officer.
You know sometimes the deescalated is not going solve the problem if your unarmed security guard what can he do unarmed security officer is just going make a person get more pissed off he going get hurt he has no weapons of protection.Now if he was armed and trained I would handle it very differently.
Excellent summation and on point.
i wish i can talk to you im also from virginia and got training coming up for first time
As soon as they become aggressive and making threats towards people , they’re going to the ground til cops arrive
What if that person is an Urban legend in fighting those trouble makers occasionally drop in.
Some states are different. My experience in NV, is more hands on than my experience in CA. Basically in CA, Security can’t do anything and have to wait for cops to resolve. In NV, somewhat a same case but also security in NV does quite more hands on and does more resolving than the cops do least work once they arrive. And it may be understandable, cops in NV have more serious situations that they appreciate security.
Thank you for sharing! It's interesting how security roles differ between states.
So as a security officer we are supposed to protect property, what is the point of security or having security if you are just wanting to let people do whatever the want? I’m not saying using deadly force or anything over property but there are other things a security officer could do to get him to stop and leave
Actually, the role of security is to "observe and report". A call to 911, suggest innocent parties (employees) get out of the area and to a safe location, give verbal commands to the "offender ("that's illegal", "stop", "you are committing a crime", "you are scaring everyone, please stop", and certainly intervein if a physical assault is occurring. Otherwise, be a good witness and be prepared to write a statement and sign a private person's arrest if needed.
@lvmykdz5724 That's old school thinking. Any old employee could do any of those things so why pay extra for a dedicated security contract or proprietary security employee?
@@ep_med7822One word, "Focus". Other employees are busy handling their assigned duties. A well trained security officer is paid to constantly observe, then take measures to ensure other employees are safe, which includes starting required services (fire/police/etc.)
Walmart basically has 2 kinds of third party security, 1) off duty law enforcement, they can go hands on. 2) Lowest bidder 3rd party. Many of them make less than the receipt checkers and are basically hired to be living scarecrows. I think this poor guy was in the second category and simply didn't have the tools or training to be useful in this situation.
You can "De-Escalate" with words all day long... simple truth is, nothing replaces FORCE. When someone acted up with me, we tried talking, we tried giving options like food/snacks, we tried TELLING and COMMANDING this person to go back to their area, they refused every time and got bolder.
The *moment* a tool came out... they stopped, backed up, and basically realized, this mans gonna get me if I don't stop. He knows, if he keeps pushing me and keeps being dumb, he's gonna get fucked up very quickly. Open-hands or Unarmed combat training is great aswell, but the moment he pulls a gun or knife, you're gonna be hard-pressed to subdue him without choking his lights out. Again, putting yourself at LETHAL-RISK for minimum wage with no tools but words, and empty hands.
Sad. But he had nothing to work with other than words.
He should have disengaged. From a business standpoint that would be the way to go. Security has to reduce risk to the company, and keeping the problem to mere property damage would be the way to go.
Right get the employee out of there who will he argue with or hurt by throwing things at innocent bystanders keep the area clear until law enforcement arives
Appreciate it. Ensuring safety is top priority for us. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Verbal commands are to be performed in authority and loudly
Strong mindset, Thanks for sharing!
By the way working unarmed is pointless unless it’s private property, not public
Absolutely for property do not engage if it's a human cost to you to someone else or himself engage. No OC NO OC. unless it's body I jury to your person. No OC no OC.
Great video. when it comes to client's a lot of times they need to let security deal with issues the way they know will work. I agree with you on getting the clerks away and let the individual know that the police are on the way. But make sure to keep the bystanders safe.
11:53 Insurance generally doesn't cover retail theft. It covers robbery, property damage and personal injury, but generally not theft since stores have an expected theft loss every year. A Walmart typically loses $2-3 million/year to all cause shrink. An insurance company would charge more than that to cover it so they can make a profit.
Good video, the only thing I would add is I would’ve liked to see the security guard try to get the individual to de-escalate.
Thanks for your feedback!
Sometimes, the client and their employees, or even the online viewers of video footage like this - and who have never worked as a security officer, just don't understand the limitations of many security officers. I've heard questions ranging from, "Can you arrest them?", to "Can you write tickets?", and I was even asked, "Didn't he see the badge?!" after a client heard my story about an encounter with the State Highway Patrol and myself receiving a speeding ticket on my way to work. As if we were brothers-in-arms, and he should have given me a pass. Each client's needs vary between jobsite. I was a glorified receptionist for most of my security career: unarmed, transferring phone calls, signing in/out visitors, passing out badges, logging any incidents... quite literally the IMAGE of "security," but THEY SEE a BADGE, and that... to them... makes things limitless.
Also, unarmed security, like with the gentleman in this video, is downright dangerous sometimes. I actually took Private Security Firearms training while I was currently working as unarmed (on my own and not through that employer). One of the law enforcement veterans of our class told me boldly, "I would NOT take any unarmed security job! If an intruder ever came to your facility with a firearm, they will SHOOT YOU FIRST because you are the first line of contact!" Too his point, everyone else in that IT and consulting company were behind secured, key card accessible doors, while I was the sitting duck with a phone... alone, at the lobby front desk.
Call the police as a Security Officer
Right I'm not getting hurt or killed protecting nothing if you tell them to stop and they don't what can you do
First off, get the workers to leave ASAP, if there’s a safe route of escape (not always). He’s mad at the people and taking out on the property, but it could escalate. For their safety, but also to remove the source of his anger, get them away.
We appreciate your input!
You forgot protect people from themselves . He needs to step closer to him . In the end the property is being damaged which can be replaced . However the presence of the officer is poor
Unarmed security is kinda useless. Might as well have a store employee observe and report. Guy was psycho.
Its crazy because these situations turn into mass shootings and its the same people who be saying how did this happen when somebody could have did something before it happens!!! People only want to do something after the fact!!!
Yes he handled it good, because the only and main thing is he unarmed and he doesn't have too do a thing.
hi new in security. came across your vid. I wanna say ty for the way you talk about this. you really say it well for me to understand.
Um i think anyone trying to do bodily harm with an object should go to jail especially if they weren't trying to defend themselves against someone.
First call for back up and try to identify the threat that might be for you , try to make verbal contact by taking the attention of that customer and try to talk to cool him down and trying to let him know anything he does against tje rules is all filmed on cctv and might be used against him at the court. Don't make it personal .
The thing about performance art is it requires an audience. Remove the audience from the equation. Tell the clerks to head to the break room and stay there. Wait for the manager or guard to come get them.
We appreciate your input! Stay safe out there!
You forgot protect people from themselves .
When something like that happens immediately call outside law enforcement unless a person has the equipment to take the suspect into custody and tell them they are being detained for security and investigation
Being a Security Guard is state specific. Most Security companies only want observe and report. Property can be replaced so the key word is "LIABILITY". If you get physical when it is not warranted, the company will not have your back. Most guard forget that they are NOT law enforcement. Its not worth the money or your life/safety.
As a security officer, Physical force is not permitted to enforce rules
I remember the days we were bouncers
He’s gotta protect the property by physically putting himself in between that shit - which inevitably leads to him becoming a target and needing to use force. Should be ready to do that as a guard otherwise you’re in the wrong profession.
Thank you for your input! Safety comes first.
stopped video at 3min 12sec/ I work for a company that is not all dog or pony show, with that being said we are hired to 1 protect people and most times 2 to protect property! at the first sign of rage we would have called in situation and had a second officer in route, at 2 minutes out from arrival he would be taken down and cuffed due to showing violence to others and himself and for damaging property! But yes some clients would rather let him do his thing then replace damaged property and just ban/trespass him and let cops deal with him later! What ever the client wants is what we do within the law! Me personally, I don't work dog or pony sites!
I totally agree with you.
Me too. Like it’s insane that they want people to just stand there. He should have been in cuffs.
I agree that not physically intervening when someone is only damaging property is a good idea. Now, if someone is beating up themselves or they are running into traffic, Titan Protection and most all other security companies do not have legal authority to go hands-on. At least those security accounts where you don’t have LE authority. I know that many of you on the leadership staff are retired or former law enforcement. As a LEO you can do that; it’s part of your community care taking duties to prevent someone from being a danger to himself and/or others. Security does not have that authority. It’s technically a battery once you touch that person; a legal arrest would justify a battery. The problem here is that there is no basis for a legal arrest if someone is beating themselves up or running into traffic to hurt themselves. If so, would you please cite your authority?
Cali and the state Titan resides in are not the same on how authorities go. In California, you probably can't do anything of the sort.
@@I_Am_Warden That might be true, but I’m still asking them to cite their authorities 🦗 . Otherwise, it’s not accurate information.
Then what’s the point of being a Security Officer if you can’t be one?
@@casualgamer09- it’s like security cameras. They don’t physically prevent a crime, they just record events. They can be a deterrent but not always. Uniformed unarmed security can be a deterrent but not always. Private security doesn’t have additional authority to act against people any more than citizens. Training and minimal for your line security person.
If it was me there, that young future doctor or scientist would have a first-hand experience of what his forfathers experienced on the plantation.
Reported
Based
@@OstrichDome"reported 🤓"
Ok record yourself saying this to someone while giving them a first hand experience
You sound very racist.. I'm an ex 11 bravo and dealt harshly with guys like you on my base.
before it even got there i wouldve called the police and wouldve moved customers and employees away from the male subject due to the destruction of property also at the same time i wouldve wrote down the description of the male for my report
You got good sense bro The days are gone where Security officers were glorified bouncers.
make sure the patrons and the staff are safe, call law enforcement and let them go hands on.
If they are irate and damaging property only. I notify the police, observe and report. The company I work for is more about de-escalation. Unless the person is attacking yourself , employees, or another person. I work and armed post. You should maintain your professionalism and stay at a reactionary distance.
You can't get yourself hurt it's time for the police
How the guy went about going about getting his money was wrong but i can also feel his pain if that is what someone did was take his money not saying it actually happened at Walmart but when people work hard or have had accidents they deserve thier money, i think the security guard did reall well because what else can you do he could have got more aggressive, i would just call the law and have him removed.
Why wasn't there more security to back up that security guard.
If the guard couldn't de escalate that person to attempt to find out what the issue was.
With continuous property damage the security guard should of advised police would be called. Why didn't the police get called. To hear that this person just walked and nothing happen, that's messed up. Trespass this person. That type of behavior shouldn't be tolerated.
You wouldn't make a good security Officer.. I would have called the police if i couldn't get this man to calm down.
In this day and time, the security officer should have called the police initially and reported this incident to them, and then stood by to protect people if necessary while waiting for the police to arrive. If the guy decides to leave, let him leave and watch the direction that he is leaving in. Don't go hands-on with the individual, because the risk to the security officer is just too high.
The problem is officers don’t have physical skills and if they do it’s a few hours a year .
Now, in miami , Walmarts have both , security and police . Hallelujah
I’m assuming that this incident occurred in California. I briefly looked at requirements based on Cali Law. Training Use of Force, 32 hours of training plus 8 or more hours annually. There’s something else called proprietary security which is in-house. They’re not authorized to carry any and I mean any items for use of force. I don’t know what the training involves but from defense attorneys pov, they’re not allowed to touch. Anyone from California?
Use verbal Judo talk to the guy while other person calls the Police. Back in the days there were no cameras things were little easier.😅
Observe and report that’s the main role. Call police department. You ca not take action by law!!
Not physically resisting him RIGHT AWAY, it’s like playing Russian roulette. Also it’s why people think they can get away with it.
There’s nothing a security person can do. Call the police. Nothing to really discuss.
Lack of training
Unarmed
Liability
Pay
Why don’t these kids have an Id? It’s always no id in live pd, then they get mad when they are identified before being sent on the way.
You get description of individual and calls the cops.
We are not police officers.
Is this how you guards do their job? Really, what is the company paying you for?….
This is a disgrace! If your guards cant handle a situation physically at this point - go get a job in a toy store or something.
You have no idea what you're talking about .You cannot put your hands on a customer unless he or she is physically trying to hurt someone or yourself. I'll bet 500 bucks you wouldn't last 1 week on a post.
Good podcast, subscribing now!
Right off the bat, can tell the security guard has no legit training. He definitely shouldn’t be working security.
As someone thats been through a corrections academy, very relevant to the security field really, the subject displayed two of five reasonable and justified causes to deploy OC and restrain. Technically, four in a non law enforcement and corrections environment and capacity.
If they’re hands off security, clearly is. Then really no point in being there and approaching an agitated and aggressive subject. Hence, observe and report only.
If one is scared to do their job in “this day and age”, and scared of getting injured or anything, then one shouldn’t be in the security services or protection services industry.
9 out of 10 times law enforcement says, move down the road, because no one wants to prosecute and pursue criminal charges.
Hence, in cases of using OC, contact 911 for an ambulance to transport for spray removal and not for police. Unless one says, I want to press charges. Then you request LE. Otherwise, it’s only a medical call.
@@BananasRepublic-nr3tm and people wonder why the average security guard is a joke and useless…………
I’m going to give this security officer some grace. We don’t know what kind of security outfit he’s employed by what level of training is involved . Many time it’s a warm body with a couple of uniforms, few days of training and minimum pay. Think he’s getting medical coverage when he gets his butt kicked? I wonder if he’s carrying OC spray? Corrections and Police Academies are a different level and I wonder if that’s enough these days.
He needed a belt to his back side by his dad. It’s well over due
Thank you for your input! Safety comes first.
Let us all work together to promote positivity and respect in resolving conflicts for a safer environment!
The host looks like Hugh Laurie
I have to agree it did look staged, but as has been said that I would move everyone away, observe and report. If he became violent and decided to go after myself or staff then force is what is need for life safety.
I would have waited for an additional unit and placed the individual under arrest and wait for LEO
2:32 - Who's the racist?
what kind of security is that? lmao. that's destruction of property.
What if security officers attack the person and beat him…. Lie to police to get person arrested? Person fights the charges and obtains video of security beating him. What happens when that happen😂
Well one I can tell you the security guard officer didn't step in and handle the situation tell the guy verbally command to stop what he is doing.The guy was physically destroyed stuff the officer didn't put no handcuffs on him to detained him or called the police 🚓.He didn't grab him use verbal force to leave or he going be arrested. The guard had his hands in his pocket that's really bad I would use physical force size doesn't matter you can use different techniques in security field .
what to do on hand on hand combat situation
In South Africa he would be toast if he is actually of stable mind.if not you would call medical help in as well as police
The security guard had 0 command presence, and should have had trning and been armed. The guards company y should be sued.
The business purposely hired unarmed guards idiot they are cheaper
i know we are all here to learn and all but cmon bruh this guard is useless. he breaking company assets and becoming physically voilent and dude is sjust standing there with no assertion in his voice being like exucse me sir can u leave cmon man
We in Florida it would’ve went a lot different here 😂
I respect that Bald Man
He has so much Wisdom
He is a great security officer everybody want
Absolutely! He's such a valuable asset to our team. His wisdom and leadership make a real difference.
I hope that’s not the same company I worked for they didn’t federal background check me or fingerprint me I followed the rules reported two workers smoking dope then somehow they found out I had a level four bulletproof vest and a gun, and they threw a fit over it even though it was never on the site or in my car then they said I had to hand it to them and I’m like what the fuck are you talking about? That’s at my house you can’t have that. I don’t know if you’re a felon you can’t have my gun. I bought that stuff before I ever worked with them as well. 😂
And I was never trained when they told me to log into my account. I didn’t even have the password. It said password already created, and I didn’t do it.
For me officer might hold the guy by force but not to harm him. Just give him a verbal warning then he don't stop, do hold him by force because the security fuction is to protect lives and prperty.
Damn the brother went Ape Shit.
21 foot Rule. But 41 foot Rule BETTER.
Vandalism are you protecting the assets
General policy across the industry is simple You do not go hands on unless there is an immediate threat of severe bodily harm or death to you the client/associate or customer. If they're throwing tissue boxes at the clerk that does not meet the requirements for use of force even though that is a battery It's not going to cause severe bodily harm.
The legal terminology used is forcible felony. It constitutes any felony that a normal civilian would be justified in using deadly force in self-defense or defense of others.
That is the minimum requirement for any physical use of force by security. Anything less opens up the client company The security company to liability for any injuries sustained including death as a result of your use of force it opens up the officer to both the civil and criminal liability for their actions.
To give a very well known example putting your knee on the wrong part of the body even during a justified detainment could land you in prison and cost the company $millions.
you clealry dont know south africa. here we get physically involved! You act a fool you fall a fool...Period!
🤣 24:14
Not staged, seen this play out just as awkward as this. The person i dealt with was mentally ill. This looks like illness.
It’s an excuse. There are plenty of people who don’t do act like a kid.
They are not "officers".
They are😢 thugs in funny cop costumes!😅😅
The you dude the right thing.
Your officers can wear sneakers?? Real professional...
Yes, black ones . I wear black Hokas , but I know my verbal commands and I am armed
Walmart security isn’t real security lol
Kya bol rhe hai 😅😅😅
Dude, this is bullshit.
Scrubs
This happened in wacky lib dystopia California so this guard knew he would probably have been arrested if he touched that guy. Better for him to sit there and let it happen and sleep in his own bed that night instead of a slab of sheet metal.
Its private property... he's destroying proerty so force him to leave.
The guard should've used lawful force to bring subject under control! That incident could have escalated to violence quickly. Lucky, it didn't! Titian has a to soft approach to use of fore in security. Sounds like a liberal thing. I favor a conservative, stronger approach to security! I would like to see more lawful uses of force in security!
Keyword, lawful force. State laws may vary but a citizen witnessing a felony crime may have the authority to initiate a “citizen’s arrest”. And use “reasonable force “. I don’t think property destruction of this nature fits. You’d have to research your local state laws. And the litigious nature nature of our society can you defend against a lawsuit?
@@Pomisher In my state you can use reasonable force to remove trespassers! No citizens arrest is necessary!
@@user-bl4hb1bq9t California does have provisions for CA’s but it’s highly discouraged. Being a west coaster, I know Walmart won’t back you up. Here’s the code I found for Cali, Penal Code § 837 PC.
@@user-bl4hb1bq9t Yeah, not where I’m from. Only if there’s fear of physical harm to oneself or others is it justified. No castle doctrine but stand your ground by case law is justified. Heck I wouldn’t be a cop here these days. I was decades ago.
@@Pomisher Can a bouncer throw a drunk out of a bar? If yes, then a guard can throw a customer out of a store!
and knees gonna gurrr
The first thing to be done try to calm him down if possiable and try to keep him isolated from the public if possiable. Of he has mental issues you will have major problems. If it is Wall Mart people are hyped before going in there understand the relationship between wall mart and the public is not best at times. Plus security guards do have the reps. Your at strikr 2 here before doing anything.
see...this is why i cant do the rent a cop thing. i would act immediately....and if it means the guy gets hooked up (cuffed for you rent a cop people) because they out of control and damaging property, then so be it. the job is SECURITY, not sit and let people destroy stuff and potentially hurting someone because the security refuses to act. standing there and saying "oh you gotta leave" and not backing up the words with action is not going to solve the problem
It’s absolute aids I live here in mn I won’t do retail security because they tell you can’t do anything observe and report I felt so useless not being able to do anything they essentially are looking for scarecrows. But I think that kid wouldn’t have done anything even if he had the green light dude shut down
why is the rent a cop just standing there???? if they wont comply, you gotta act dammit
He is doing what he is legally permitted to do also does he look like he AJ or somebody?
observe and report....doesnt he have a radio?