Jordan Peterson: The Hero's Journey in Carl Jung's Psychoanalysis
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- Clinical psychologist Dr. Jordan Peterson discussing the major differences in the viewpoints of Freud & Jung on the central human myth (Oedipal vs Hero myth).
Excerpt from Jordan Peterson's Biblical Series VIII: The Phenomenology of the Divine
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"The Cave you fear to enter holds the Treasure you seek" Joseph Campbell
What would the good doctor think about social media? Would he think it is the outer realisation of the collective unconsious?
smroog wow-- deep
Campbell is a Jungian.
all have a shadow, all have a dream.
Campbell learned much from Jung, but held onto a strong cognitive dissonance. Facing and entering the shadow is utterly at odds with "follow your bliss".
So greatful I live in a time when I can hear/watch lectures of this caliber in bed!!! Love Jordan Peterson!!!!
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Damn right
Once only chairs, stools and occasionally benches could serve as ushers into the deepest truths. Now thanks to the incalculable sacrifices of generations of people brave enough to confront and overcome that which frightens them the most we are able to bring the bed into this family of liberation. Ironically those who taste the fruit of the gods need most of all the furniture of the gods. (Kidding, I agree with the op sentiment, but it's funny that it can be read as saying it's the availability of the bed that's significant :))
Same!
yeah bro its our time to understand ourselves
"beware of the wisdom you did not earn"
what wisdom is earned? what can you possibly teach dust and animals?
do i have to kill someone, to know that killing is messy and bad?
does it maybe mean "beware", as in, pay attentiom and pay caution to the "wisdom"--teachings and sharings of experiences and such-- of others?
after all, if youre lacking in an experience and there is someone who has had this experience, it would be a little advantageous for you if you were to take their advice in the relevant matter
No, I think the quote is more related to the response of Jung on psychedelic use. You can gain wisdom by sitting on your couch, consuming psychedelics but you won't be able to incorporate the wisdom into your life since all you do is sit on your couch. Jung suggests it is more efficient to gain wisdom by going out there, facing the world, gain the wisdom through actual real life personal experience, instead of the psychedelic experience, which is usually a passive experience. It'll inflate your ego instead of developing it.
A pedestal of understanding.
the low lighting and the white that shows from his shirt makes this almost like a piece of art.....great mind!
It compliments his brilliant mind sublimely 👌🏽
And a litle oniric
The low lighting and the white from his shirt is very similar to Rembrandt lighting. The type of lighting that he used in his own self portraits. If you ever get a chance, visit the Frick museum in New York City. You can see some of Rembrandt's paintings up close and personal. You'll see what I'm talking about.
@@cynthiahamil9801 Carravagio would be of interest as well; he inspired Rembrandt and many others who painted in the style known as Baroque.
Very effective chiaroscuros, great contrast between light and shadows. Also interesting the movements of his hands to emphasize spoken ideas.
This guy is going to start a much needed inward reflection en masse, among people who these ideas wouldn't normally reach. I absolutely fucking love Jordan Peterson.
I absolutely love his body langauge
jason fontaine me too it’s nice and precise
He's a lecturer. He's made "this" speech a million times in class. The talk is a compilation of bits from several of his lectures and other talks he's done. He's not a magical being, he just has an incredible amount of practice.
Gayyyyyyee
i think it is inauthentic
I know what you mean....and believe me....he's aware of it too!
Intellect, charisma and the use of it for good causes. What a brilliant combination. Jordan Peterson is one of the most important speakers of our time.
endmy suffering the adoption of responsibility and accepting the responsibility of your actions and developing your character so that you may be both a formidable foe to oppression and powerful leader in your community. On the micro level this improves communities. On the macro level this improves the world.
Lol
Nicholas Vogel My Responsibility is to respond to comments on CZcams
@endmy suffering Improving oneself? watch the video
Your comment is an accurate characterization of Dr. Peterson. Thankfully he's doing better and engaging with the public more.
You cant miss a fucking sentence this guy says. Each one is gold.
Matt Dawson I have to listen to his lectures more then once just to understand on a superficial level. The density of information here is a maelstrom of ideas, so much so that it’s hard to not let your thoughts wander while listening.
Anthony that's exactly me
Matt Dawson "Uhm." :))))
I've bounced back and forth in my opinion of Jordan Peterson. I think now I can settle on this idea.
He is a hero of the modern intellectual. His power is in imparting an energy of intellectualism. He revives a part of my mind that makes reaching new levels of learning and understanding as no longer daunting but exciting.
*applause*
No, he is a hero of the ignorant by pretending to be an intellectual.
@@prophetsnake did you not hear a word of this video?
@@prophetsnake always said by those who would seek to elevate themselves above everyone else with no achievements of their own. As Jordan would say, "how's that working out for you, bucko?"
He's a full professor who has taught at two of the world's top universities and is one of the most cited in his profession. Tell me, what are your accomplishments or qualifications that you can stand there and say the he's "pretending to be an intellectual?"
People like you are nothing more than a peanut gallery, jealous of other people's achievements or insight because you possess none of your own. Do us all a favour - crawl back under your little rock and actually do something for society before you come out again.
@@peterross5410 Yeh, nice stab in the dark, ninny. Peterson's only achievement is getting a large crowd of racist virgins to follow him.
Yours is not being able to get laid.
@@prophetsnake your comment just sums this all up nicely. Someone of your level of intellect who cannot grasp the concepts he talks about would resort to childish insults and be stuck on the lower level of the Dunning Kruger effect showing typical signs of overconfidence in many areas of life which you truly know barely of. I wouldn't be surprised if you are a University student, a person who knows enough to get by in life, perhaps even academically smart, but lacking in wisdom, actual world and life experiences that someone who has been through enough would understand what he means on the struggle of life. Poor you.
this guy is incredible, he brings psychology to the mainstream, people who attack him on his critique of society are very afraid of his knowledge, the ruling class don't want to have people like this wandering around educating people
The woke mob tried to force him to use pronouns. Many of the agents of the establishment see free-thinking people as threat to established order. It's the nature of people to fear the unknown or the uncontrollable. If you question anything you are the enemy. This is the current world we live in now and it's up to everyone to stand up to the oppressive people that want to shove their worldview onto others. (woke mob is just the latest group of thought police right now) Don't forget the reason Jesus was killed by the Pharisees. They just can't handle truth. It's dangerous to the establishment so they demonise truth tellers and then if they can't turn the crowd on them they just kill them. If that fails they co-opt the speaker and create clones to steer people away from the speaker in hopes that they can compete against them and hijack control of the people from that speaker towards their own "brand" of it.
It happens in entertainment industry:
1. popular music artist rejects offer from greedy publisher. (the content is anti-establishment)
2. publisher decides to make a copy-cat version of that artist. (compete with them to destroy them)
3. fans of the original artist turn to the alternative artist who is pretending to be anti-establishment but is pro-establishment (funded by rich people)
4. the alternative artist can now influence the public with his lyrics which are created by propagandists to steer the values of the youth towards their agenda.
5. original artist is murdered so he can't influence the youth in positive ways. No competition? No anti-establishment artists saying truthful things to the fans. Mission accomplished.
6. youths grieve over their fave artist being killed by the illuminati and it becomes a conspiracy theory that he was murdered by the establishment because the artists was turning people against the elites and to think out of the box. (the elites want control over kid's minds to shape the future. They want conformity, not free-thinkers.)
May be you are afraid to see the reality!
I got em all on their toes
This is mighty content and that Caravaggio-like lighting is damn spot on
Mathieu Brelière totally. Since he loves to talk about the incorporation of the shadow self, a little chiaroscuro is the perfect lighting for him.
I love that you equated it to that particular artist. Well played! And the above response is also spot on. Faith in humanity restored!
"that which you fear and avoid, that is the gateway to what you need to know"
Lemme just rearrange this dragon into sub dragons.
Son, what are you doing up there?
Sorry mum, I'm just sorting out my sub dragons!
Dis guy is incredible.! hands down. Sometimes I don't agree with everything he said. But he's genius. How he constructs his ideas is brillant.
Wolf Mindset Highly recommend Reading the book "Iron John" by Robert Bly.
I'd like to know what things you don't agree with. I seem to agree with him on a lot of things. And I connect with him almost all the time. And that scares me. I'd like to know what you disagree on with him.
Wolf Mindset i find people just say they dont agree with everything, *just say* but they are doing that out of pride. I think people should be more humble and listen more closely, flush out with more detail what it is you even believe. I dont think people who say like you do know what they believe.
I'd wholly agree with your statement, I see bits of thought that is still very cleverly crafted that is a very right wing kind of scary, but listening to Professor Peterson has awakened me to how much I hate liberalism and Marxism and the current far left culture. Agreeing with someone 100% of the time is a danger in of itself, and to me @sedative , that is for people who do not know what to believe.
I'm saying people who say they disagree with things (esp with Peterson), but don't know how to explain what they disagree with or how to defend their position, don't know what they believe.
I've listened and read a lot of people try to "disagree" with Peterson and when asked to state an argument, they fumble around with vague blanket terms. Pride holds people back from truly listening to others, and themselves. This wolf mindset dude, (his name even sort of verifies what im saying) says: "Sometimes I don't agree with everything he said" This is too vague, what exactly did he not agree with and why? If i was to ask him that in person, he'd likely respond the same way everyone else I've heard say things like "I don't agree with everything", he'd fumble around and ultimately never narrow in on a real argument. *or* if they actually could identify a specific thing it'd be something like "i wouldn't be able to do those evil things" for example. Not saying that's what he disagrees with but it's often what i find people will mention when i ask them why they disagree with Peterson.
The disagreement is due to inability to comprehend what Peterson is explaining and why he's saying it, cuz when asked "why do you think he's wrong? Why wouldn't you be able to do those evil things? i get answers like "It's too horrifying for me to even think about". That's just a savage failure to comprehend the concept of the shadow. If you disagree with what someone says, you had better know exactly what you disagree with, and why. otherwise you may just be lying to yourself, and *or* defending your ego.
To say it another way, I think people say they don't agree %100 just for lip service, just to "not be that guy who just agrees with everything", to not come off as a sheep (wolf mindset), playing his persona, but without any real backing. If he has a legit disagreement, he can articulate and defend that'd be great, but i hardly ever see anyone do that. They just say for good measure, to affirm to themselves they're not a sheep.
Agreeing %100 doesn't make you a sheep or anything of the sort, you can agree %100 and still question/criticize. But be honest with yourself, do you REALLY disagree? If so, about what, and why? Without the followup you're just doing it out of ego protection and validation.
Jordan Peterson never disappoints. God damn what a genius.
Pol Jameson - an incredible person.
He’s not a genius. He’s just thinks well and ties things together interestingly. I like the guy.
@@orchidsrising7910 he's closer to genius than most
@@viewaskew7741 that's all depends on what you define is a true genius or genius in general
@@simonclarent3742 someone who can naturally process information faster than others due to genetics and brain structure?
So again anyone who is interested in reading Jung start with Erich Neuman - The origins and history of consciousness
Anyone else having a hard time understanding it?
If you want to read Jung just start with Jung
I cannot recommend that. I find the Neumann book somewhat difficult. There are some great primers on Jung’s work; Frieda Fordham’s is a good one. I think Anthony Stevens may also have a good intro to Jung. As for Jung himself, a few places to start might be: Memories, Dreams, Reflections; Modern Man in Search of a Soul; and Man and His Symbols. In that order. If someone is ready for more after that, go for his Collected Works. Enjoy.
I tried but I must not be smart enough bc it takes like 15mn per page to understand.
@@kyle_sibley I think it helps to have a basic understanding of Jungs theories. I had a very difficult time reading the book and decided I need to learn more first.
Every movie that grabs you, holds your attention is a version of the heroes journey. The troubled becomes empowered, then overcomes.
Awesome talk
I always find your comments on videos I watch by chance.. or is it by chance? 😂 I find Paula's too. I'm figuring out nothing is coincidence. Lol You made this comment a year ago, and I'm just now finding this video lol much love to you and yours as always! I agree this was a really great lecture.
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I went thru a rough childhood and a a result, continued into a tough adulthood rife with emotional turmoil, self doubt and resentment, not to mention addiction. I woke up 2 years ago. I had a dream at the beginning of my transformation. In dream, there were 3 of me. One was impulsive and primal. One was more aware of itself and the world, the other was floating in a legs crossed position. I, at that time in my life, was accepting the old me was not the me I wanted to be anymore. Seemingly, my first way of accepting the transformation was to belittle the old me. I became so angry with how far it had brought me from where I wanted to be. Up until this dream, I hated my old self. Then something that I still know to be something inside me trying to help me learn, came about. In the dream, the levitating wise man me told my aware self, as it stood there angrily staring at my primal self in disgust. He said, "You two will have to come to terms with one another's existence and learn to coexist in harmony before the 3 of us can finally be one." It was super weird for me at first. I didn't understand it altogether but I know subconsciously, since then, I've not beat myself up so much and instead have started helping myself and looking out for myself. My life is changing so much for the better. I am very grateful. The talk about lucid dreaming really had me recalling that dream and I feel I can see how it really helped in some small or big way to shaping a better perspective on how I should feel about myself, after listening to this lecture.
that sounds intense. also had a revelation about my dad and other ancestors. had to fight a couple monsters in the underworld to finally be accepted into the 'hall of fame. first time in my life a really stressful dream turned into a loving warm one.
do u have new insights regarding your dream?
@von_freiesleben64 Only that I need to remember that dream whenever I sense that I'm losing myself in life
J. Peterson dropping brilliance, spiced with his urgency to educate and push it through leaves me in awe.
10/10
I was strolling on Weibo and watched a video that a so called feminist TV host argued with a writer. The woman was rude, stupid and kept cutting the words of the man. The man, instead, was calm, polite, logical and incredibly wise. I was immediately attracted by his philosophy. The man is Jordan Peterson. I have been suffering depression for years and his words awakened me!
You'd be happy to find out that he also suffered from severe depression and probably still does, but it's at the best stage it's ever been recently for JP.
So what you’re saying is you fancy yourself with large red claws?
I am listening to him so that i can sleep but his words r making me focus on him more and now im in mania mode
Carl Jung was well ahead of his time. I LOVE HIM and so admire anyone who followed him. What changes within changes what is around us, in my experience. I studied with a Shaman, Greywolf, and he took me places I can't explain, but it changed my life. Jung would have understood this.
It's incredible how much I love to learn after listening to Jordan.
On New Age and "Follow Your Bliss." - it's important to note the Joseph Campbell, originator of that term, used it to mean doing the very difficult depth work (including shadow) to find your truest self. The misinterpretation of that idea is what Peterson is referring to here (I hope). Campbell, of course, is the leading writer on the Hero's Journey, although that is not referred to in this presentation. Campbell was also a translator of Jung (The Viking Portable Jung being the best example).
I agree. You can only find your bliss once you've gone through hell. Some people want to skip right to the bliss.
I'm very grateful for having access to this.
I am here because my therapist told me to take a heros journey. Hope to see you on the other side Dr. Pedersen.
Get well soon Professor Peterson. You’ve got students all around the world waiting for your next lessons.
21:22 love the way-overdue highbrow recognition of why video games are awesome
And the not so subtle Skyrim reference of absorbing dragon souls to level up your powers.
The main reason that Jung split with Freud was due to the latters exclusive emphasis on sexuality.
Namely, that all of man's psychological problems are a function of repressed sexuality.
The libido of the offspring regresses back to the mother and father, giving rise to incest symbolism. His views were exclusively biological, and where he and Jung parted ways was in Freuds unwillingness to consider the spiritual significance of, for example, the phallus.
Freud was too influenced by the spirit of the age, namely, atheism and its concomitant, rationalism, and materialism.
Jung, on the other hand, held no prejudices, he believed in everything, as do l.
Recalling a scene in Cronenberg's film chronicling the early years of Freud and Jung, A DANGEROUS METHOD. Where Freud attempts to impress on Jung the the importance of presenting psychoanalysis as an exclusively "RATIONAL SCIENCE " that no irrational elements can exist.
But when is life exclusively RATIONAL?
THEN Freud states, " gnomes in the garden, faeries in the well it just won't due, it just won't due. "
But to the unprejudiced observer,
if there are gnomes and faeries and all manner of fabulous (irrational creatures) ,l want to know about it.
" HAVE A NICE DAY "
They are two extremes. One a highly specific reductionist minimizing every human problem to a small part (sexuality) of man's psyche, and another a wide sweeping generalist and syncretist, who tried to believe absolutely everything even those ideas in logical conflict; maximizing every human mind to be literally capable of every archetype - disregarding in a sense individuality and personality, perhaps even biology and the _private_ subconscious rather than the collective.
Also, against a previous era that placed reason over emotions, it's understandable that they wanted to blend those together. But the truth is that they were never in conflict but their roles are different; that is, they never belonged in a spectrum where they should fight or harmonize in the first place. They merely serve different roles: one to parse this reality, and the other to respond to it for the sake of self or society. To choose one over the other is insanity, but to suggest balance of them is to demonstrate a certain ignorance of their functions. In reality they are more like heart and brain; each doing their own job, not one that must be chosen against one another, lest you die. Not even a matter of balance or harmony; the nerves controlling heartbeat, while each pump simultaneously granting blood to the brain. Literal symbiosis forged amongst other numerous organs of equal importance yet different functions, all completing the person and his behavior.
This juxtaposition of emotion and reason as something to antagonize or harmonize is an entirely Western concept. Similar to the Hero's Journey and its ambitious attempt to apply it to every story possible, yet in reality failing to do so.
Free yourself of Jung, and ironically, you will be freed of the narrative that holds you down so much which bars you from truth and a clear vision so necessary to be an actual hero.
His breakdown of the Sleeping Beauty story is beyond amazing. It starts at 3:30 and ends at 5:46. If you only watch a small part of this video, make it that.
Oh come on, his breakdown of a fairy tale is sophistry at its best.
Our age needs this kind of man
CARL JUNG is why I love Jordan Peterson I thought that Jung was 100 years ahead of time but time is speeding up and Jordan Peterson has made Jung relevant today!
It is my humble opinion that Jung is more relevant in today's time and age than ever, only to add love to your comment. He is coming into our modern world for a reason. We as a civilization are ready (mostly) for information and insight on the profound intellectual/mystical level of Jung. He was sent by a higher group of beings. Only now will we start to recognize it.
When you pause the video at 9m 28s and go watch a 2 hour documentary then restart the video... you know you're a fan :P
sl3ptsolong how do you spell it?
Same
@@MrChopstsicks Crumb. The name of the Documentary is just Crumb. The name of the cartoonist is Robert Crumb.
Doing an essay on Crumb for school.
Great great excerpt. Thank you. You should link to the original lecture in the description though.
Thanks for the feedback (I just included the link)! Another excerpt about psychedelics will be uploaded soon.
Made my night- thanks for posting!
“Stuck in your family drama… stuck in the past” I’m telling this to myself. Go on good man. You have much to offer to others, yourself and nature
"You've got to be a person who meets chaos and expects to TRIUMPH."Jordan Peterson
He says most things I'm thinking in a way I could never ever do. If only I was 1% as articulate as this dude.
Jordan Peterson is a blessing to the world.
So fascinating. Love this guy. These ancient and archetypal stories and symbols that are the fabric of our conciousness pull us toward integration with that very conciousness....and least that's my take. "Keep your feet on the ground." Good advice.
Alison Sanderson nice word salad
Thank you so much for posting this
The Quantity Of Quality Concise Accessible Content This Man Puts Out Is Incredible
the first minute reminds me of my favorite paper I wrote in my behavioral psychology class .
Incredible, all of this; hypnotic indeed
I love watching Peterson, because theres always some of it I don't understand immediately. And that excites me.
who needs Netflix when you can watch J.B.P free here on youtube!
How does this guy see so deeply even into children's stories ?? Fascinating !!
Well they aren't well at least the original stories
Thank you, awesome clip !
I’m glad to hear JP mention Camille Paglia - two great minds in academe who are antidotes to post modernism - She’s been quiet lately, I would love to hear from her on the state of the world in 2020!
There goes Dr. Peterson ( invaluable truth speaker, master of the masters ) again, telling my story to a heart rate increasing, sweat inducing, tear forming, type 1.5 diabetes causing, seemingly inescapable suicidal thought provoking, alcohol dreaming, maturity infantilizing, nihilistic leaning certainty. I love you Dr. Peterson. Thank you & God Bless You. 🙏
Jordan's energy is enough to hook your attention with a streagh of a (particular Indonesian) God!
He's so present when he's delivering speeches, like he's conjuring them in front of our eye. What a wonderful man, and how lucky we are to be alive right now!
After 27 years of (internalized) abuse, i just stood up to my mum, after weird boundaries with every women, if only with my eyes.
Thank you, the prophet of the west, broken and bruised against a chaotic fiery temptress.
May we rise once more and rest finally, in the waves of life
The reason one why one has to stay on the ground, is that the knowledge one attains from the unconscious is so rich and vivid, that he needs time for it to dissipate to the stone of consciousness. It would be akin to having a blue heart that beats at the bottom of your feet. It would be rich and powerful, emanating with such knowledge that few would know about. However, the risk of a leisure, the risk of tripping over one of your veins, of breaking the link of your literal underground heart. You need the mundane, the staying on the ground, so that you may enable that process through which the blue heart that is found at your feet may instill itself as the red heart in your chest. That is way the mundane, is so important, because it is soft and caring. By the way, who would think there is only intensity. And is it not true that the full extent of intensity can truly be claimed and achieved if it permeates through a soothing?
I love you Jordan. Thank you for everything.
Thank you so much Dr peterson you've help me get through a very dark time in my life. I've really been trying to have personal responsibility. I'm far from a perfect person but now I'm even farther from being in hell and I'm moving away from hell more everyday. Thanks again. You've been my cornerstone
Same there, I wouldn’t know how to navigate dark times without him
Here is an example of a hero (hero's journey) when he decide to take his message and knowledge to the world and face all the challenges but also exploring his full potential.
Thank you for your great work !!😊
Really good thank you. Learned something today
Dr Peterson is a brilliant genius
When he got to the part about; "when you dispense with the dragon you gain the power of the dragon."
All I could think about was, well, yeah I bet that is one of the main reasons Skyrim is as big as it is, still to this day. Really hits a fundamental cord by the sound of it.
I wonder if that idea will carry into the next Skyrim?
Thank you so much for uploading this!! I do audio production and I'm hearing a lot of Ss. I can fix that for you if you send me the audio file!
Idk how often people think about this but productive comments like those found under this video are refreshing to read.
Watching this makes me sad of what they have done to Luke's character in Star Wars his Hero's Journey was completely destroyed
Beeblebrox One yeah for sure but (for me) it was unconvincing because he saved his father from "the belly of the beast" killing many innocent people and jedi and redeemed the 2nd most evil man at the time. For someone who's done that and to kill Kylo on "instinct" wasn't right to me.
SwimmingInSauce he lived long enough to see himself become the villain.
I think as a culture, right now, there are certain people who take a perverse glee in killing the Hero. That’s why Han Solo and Luke are dead. You see this in a lot of nerd culture lately- this idea that no one is special/can become special and that heroic stories are trite bullshit. But like Peterson says, they are the most human stories. If we lose them, we lose our humanity. I think this phase will pass.
@@197XSK spot on, mate! It will fade cuz they (nerds) will fade and real men return.
The corporation (empire) won
Watching this high brings my mind into a serious catastrophe of ideas
Be careful with big disturbing notions and drugs... at the same time I mean...
I gotta try it.
I love that sense of awe weed provides when you encounter brilliant ideas. I love the fear of a scary idea. It wakes you and changes you.
"Be aware of wisdom you did not earn."
Chris
Carl Jung apparently. Peterson mentions it at the end.
JP can't have a lecture without having us get lost in the references.
Here's some :
-robert crumb documentary
-The Origins and History of Conciousness, Neumann
-Aion, Carl Jung
THANK YOU SO MUCH. Could not make out the name of the first documentary and thought I’d never find it in the comments. Thank you sir!
@@braidenbianco My pleasure !
Does anyone know the name of the essay Camille Paglia wrote on Neumann’s work?
Thank you Professor.
My Psychology Lectures at College sure weren't like this. He is a brilliant thinker, it takes me hours sometimes and more than one viewing to understand what he is saying. I wonder how many other teachers of his calibre are hidden away in Colleges and Universities that we aren't hearing from.
Well put
This is beyond fascinating.
thanks for sharing
More on Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell and the origins of the hero's journey - czcams.com/video/JqFkS2qYPNE/video.html
One of the best synthesis I've ever heard of Jung psycology.
Chapeu
the best synthesis ive ever heard is omnisphere 2
Question: Does anyone know if Peterson has written on the Jungian vs Freudian Hero's Journey in any of his books or academic articles?
Thank you
29:33 Love this part, regarding new age thinking!
The knowledge he drops leaves craters in your soul....
people should read the manga Berserk, Jung and Nietzsche were great influences to the author and artist Kentaro Miura. the protagonist in berserk whos name is guts has a profound heros journey. guts picks up the heaviest thing he can find and carries it, which is symbolized by the sword he carries. such a dark and tragic tale, yet filled with so much hope.
On followers:
As listener, I enjoy Jordan's carnival of ideas.
Personal note: Careful, Jordan. It's Jung himself who warned that inflation isn't noticed til you fall. Perhaps as a student of Jung you could catch it before a crash, though you mention fear of one. Good luck, all the best.
People who are balanced in their minds have no following, because balance causes no mental contagion.
C. G. Jung,
Zarathustra Seminars
I love how enthusiastic this mans is about his work... He's so passionate about what he's speaking about, his breathing like he's running a marathon. Fucking brilliant 🤓👍 love this guy ❤️❤️❤️
Most important part of the biblical lectures, in my opinion.
The Cave you fear to enter holds the treasure that you seek - Joseph Campbell
thx for this one
Does anyone know the context of this clip? What was the occasion and the audience etc?
Artem A The clip is from his Biblical Series Part VIII
Great shout out to jaak panksepp at 14:07, who is way underrated. He figured out via 30 years of neuroscientific research that the mammalian brain’s basic ingredients behind our emotions are separation distress, fear, rage, care, play, seeking, lust. For me, that was a mind-blowing revelation
Maybe arrested development or extended adosclence is caused by refusal of the hero journey, or having one which is unattainable or unrealistic. The latter is getting pretty common these days.
Jordan Peterson has provided us uneducated Joe Six Packs with a voice for ideas and thoughts we kind of knew but could not articulate and/or defend in intelligent conversations. Now we have a "College Professor and Clinical Psychologist" to put some of our ideas and thoughts into words backed by intelligence, education, knowledge and authority. An EXPERT to our aid and defense ! Finally ! Thank you, Mr. Jordan B. Peterson. Thank you VERY MUCH !
The notion that we have subpersonalities was already understood by Heraclitus. He said something in likes of:"Everything is full of daimons."
The domination of Freud and psychoanalysis historically explains why so many people are fixated on psychopathology. I often disagree with JP's terms, though. 'Life is a problem' is a frame that might not serve you well. I'd go with 'Life is a challenge', but it may be a semantic issue. Also, I hear him say 'Life is suffering' which I also disagree with. Suffering is an inherent part of life, and you're going to experience it, and deal with it, but as a formulation, it's a bit too grim. Life is many things. Suffering is only one.
I'll check him out if I find more time and energy somewhere.
When you fully understand and embrace suffering you'll see it differently.
Nah. Fully embracing and understanding won't change anything for me. Suffering is part of life; life isn't suffering. Suffering is an inherent part of life, but is just one of its experiences. Life is life; suffering is suffering. But looking at your definition might be helpful. Are pain and suffering equivalent? Not necessarily. Some suffering is physical; some is mental/emotional. Some is self-inflicted, some is inflicted by others. Knowledge isn't power either. And power itself doesn't actually corrupt. The seeds of corruption are waiting for power, like plant seeds are waiting for rain.
Christopher Prim When he says “life is suffering” I think he mean not to say suffering isn’t a part of life, but that is it an inherent part. You are born crying and in pain into his explanation of chaos(the unknown world) and from there everyday is a struggle to understand and make order of what is around you. You can have happy moments, but the search for happiness is filled with suffering, but in comparison the search for suffering is in itself again a struggle because you the act of searching in itself is again a struggle, so suffering is inevitable, everyone experiences it, and not everyone experiences happiness.
Christopher Prim hold on, not serve you good why? Because you cant fix problems and feel more justified to call it a challange because you can fail it and still feel good about challanging yourself maybe. Well eighter case bottom line is every problem has a solution. If you dont try to solve your problems or change the way you perceive them you are that useless son of a bitch.
If you like this, you should check out some of the works of Joseph Campbell.
The Hero with a Thousand Faces is brilliant!
I love "The Power of Myth".
What you resist persists and looms ever larger. CG Jung
Great man
Who is giving freely at a great cost to himself...
Have anyone here heard Mr. Peterson talk about Terence McKenna? Would be interesting to hear.
Terence's faults were overgrown complexes
@@elpablo3728 like what?
Often we already have the solution it’s just not the solution we want which is a problem in of itself, I agree, the answer we need first requires the questions we’ve avoided asking
i found this guy after than interview about trans and was like "damn this guy is a savage lol" then i watched the next video... and the next video... and now its fuckin 4 am in the morning goddammit
In other words, you can't get laid, you want to blame someone else for it and voila! Peterson gives you the keys to the kingdom!
Still can't get laid though, right?
prophetsnake rubber and glue mate.
so good! TY
Jordan Peterson is a liberator. Erudite and generous, i am grateful indeed.
Can anyone have the link of the complete lecture? :)
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00:17 🧠 *Freud's Impact on Psychoanalysis*
- Freud established psychoanalysis and delved into the contents of the unconscious.
- Some modern psychologists denigrate Freud, but his fundamental insights are deeply ingrained in culture.
- Challenges in evaluating Freud's work arise as his errors overshadow his profound discoveries.
01:42 🤝 *Jung's Influences and Split with Freud*
- Jung was influenced by Nietzsche and Freud in his intellectual development.
- The split with Freud occurred due to differences in their views on religion.
- Freud's Oedipal myth contrasts with Jung's emphasis on the successful hero's story.
03:32 🛌 *Freud's Oedipal Myth vs. Jung's Successful Hero's Story*
- Freud's Oedipal myth portrays a failed hero's story and warns against improper development.
- Jung posits the successful hero's story, exemplified by tales like Sleeping Beauty.
- The successful hero myth involves overcoming challenges, conquering the worst, and awakening the feminine from a symbolic coma.
09:39 📚 *Jung's Break with Freud and "Symbols of Transformation"*
- Jung's break with Freud centered on the Eedipal myth and the validity of religious viewpoints.
- "Symbols of Transformation," written in 1914, solidified Jung's departure from Freud.
- Eric Neumann, a student of Jung, later rewrote and expanded on Jung's work in books like "The Origins and History of Consciousness."
12:23 🧠 *Jung's Unique Visionary Thinking*
- Jung's visionary thinking stemmed from a unique ability to think in both words and vivid images.
- The visionary nature of Jung's thinking allowed him to uncover patterns across thousands of years.
- Jung's ability to visualize and imagine beings contributed to his profound insights, distinguishing him as a visionary thinker.
16:12 📖 *Jung's Terrifying Insights in "Ion"*
- "Ion," part of the archetypes of the collective unconscious, reveals Jung's deep insights into patterns spanning thousands of years.
- Jung's ability to see beneath social structures and identify evolving patterns is evident in "Ion."
- "Ion" serves as a testament to Jung's visionary capacity and his ability to decipher complex and enduring human patterns.
19:13 🌊 *Facing Fears and Heroic Transformation*
- Exposure therapy, akin to the hero's journey, involves facing fears and gaining power through overcoming challenges.
- A client's lucid dreaming ability allowed her to communicate with dream characters, providing insights into her fears.
- The narrative of overcoming fears, as in exposure therapy, aligns with the hero's journey archetype.
22:50 🧐 *The Cognitive Styles of Thinking*
- Jung's visionary thinking, involving a blend of verbal and visual cognition, sets him apart.
- The distinction between thinking in words and images reflects individual cognitive styles.
- Exploration of cognitive styles, such as word-centric or image-centric thinking, remains an intriguing area for future research.
23:04 🌀 *Introduction to Hypnosis and Dream Exploration*
- Description: Dr. Peterson shares an experience using Jungian techniques to explore dreams with a patient.
- The patient was initially reluctant to approach a dream about a snake handler and a crowd, fearing the crowd's pushiness. Through relaxation and dialogue, the patient overcame her fear and engaged with the dream, revealing unexpected positive outcomes.
26:20 📚 *Jung's Black Books and the Red Book*
- Description: Dr. Peterson discusses Jung's unpublished Black Books, documenting his imaginative experiments. The Red Book emerged from these experiments and became a central source of inspiration for Jung.
- Jung's dialogues with figures of imagination revealed archetypal patterns, emphasizing the importance of exploring the unconscious to understand the distillation of cultural behaviors and the structure of reality.
28:21 🌐 *Integration of Religious Archetypes and Intellectual Understanding*
- Description: Dr. Peterson emphasizes the significance of Jung's work in reconciling religious archetypal structures with intellectual understanding.
- Jung's enduring popularity stems from bridging the gap between intellect and underlying religious archetypal substructures, offering a conceptual breakthrough in the 20th century.
30:07 ⚔️ *The Hero's Journey and Confronting the Unknown*
- Description: Dr. Peterson relates the story of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table searching for the Holy Grail as a metaphor for confronting the unknown.
- Jungian psychoanalysis encourages facing what is feared and avoided, highlighting that true knowledge often lies in exploring what is held in contempt or disgust.
31:54 🌌 *The Hero's Journey as an Inward and Outward Exploration*
- Description: Dr. Peterson discusses the hero's journey as both an inward and outward exploration.
- Jung's bias towards introversion doesn't limit the hero's journey to inner experiences; what matters is confronting the unknown, whether it manifests within or outside oneself.
34:45 🧭 *Balancing Revelatory Experiences and Ego Inflation*
- Description: Dr. Peterson warns against ego inflation in revelatory experiences and the danger of erasing the boundary between individual ego and generalized consciousness.
- Jung's paper "Relations Between the Ego and the Unconscious" provides insights on avoiding ego inflation, emphasizing the importance of keeping one's feet on the ground during explorations of consciousness.
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Thank God for this man
Does anyone know where to find the doc about the Crumbs?