Competent women are getting bypassed by overconfident men

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  • čas přidán 6. 05. 2014
  • Our current workplace culture rewards overconfidence. Claire Shipman of Good Morning America explains why that’s a problem.
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Komentáře • 536

  • @quickdraw9648
    @quickdraw9648 Před 7 lety +411

    All I can think of is that episode of Rugrats when Angelica's mom says "If she's ever going to make it in a male-dominated power structure, she's got to eat, breathe, drink, and sweat self-esteem." Amen to that Charlotte Pickles.

  • @TheHippie27
    @TheHippie27 Před 8 lety +583

    That last point of pushing women who are close to you to strive for something bigger..... that is my dad and mom. She did in fact run for city council last year, and is running again, purely because she casually mentioned it to my father, and he convinced her to go for it. 26 years together and still going strong

  • @supernova4460
    @supernova4460 Před 8 lety +1498

    I was... expecting a lot more dislikes and hate comments. I'm pleasantly surprised.

    • @burtonl7239
      @burtonl7239 Před 7 lety +31

      Why would you expect that? This video shows exactly how it is. Women's opportunities aren't limited by the Illuminati but by their own shortcomings. Confidence is a significant factor for advancement over competency even among men.

    • @RussellNorris
      @RussellNorris Před 7 lety +30

      because this is youtube??

    • @supernova4460
      @supernova4460 Před 7 lety +58

      @Burton L, it's been a while since I posted that so I don't 100% remember the reasoning behind it, but most likely because of the claim that men are overconfident compared to women. I've seen videos like these get considerable backlash on CZcams, sometimes accused of "feminist bias" or "SJW bullshit" etc.

    • @jakesgotgames6465
      @jakesgotgames6465 Před 7 lety +4

      same

    • @skellzzed8255
      @skellzzed8255 Před 7 lety +18

      This is legit, based on facts and statistics. She is not bashing men and victimizing herself on how men should be careful because women are insecure and have less chances. That would be a reason why a video would get bashed. But not this one.

  • @aeopmusic
    @aeopmusic Před 7 lety +58

    "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure." - Mark Twain

  • @theotherevilmonkey72
    @theotherevilmonkey72 Před 7 lety +762

    No one is saying men are all evil and purposefully putting women down! it's the system that encourages more confidence in men, everyone contributes to the system in a small often unconscious way! jeez a lot men are totally unable to accept critism these days...

    • @thomashoma5648
      @thomashoma5648 Před 7 lety +7

      theotherevilmonkey72 what is the "system" and how does it encourage more confidence in men

    • @Vickymonswer346
      @Vickymonswer346 Před 7 lety +46

      Potatoes69 the corporate system of getting promotions not based on competency and productivity, but instead on overconfident people appealing for a promotion because they feel they deserve one.

    • @cileft011
      @cileft011 Před 7 lety +33

      read the book.
      but ur not actually curious you just want to push strangers on the internet to do the talking so you can pick apart their arguments without any background knowledge.

    • @bendom7994
      @bendom7994 Před 6 lety +28

      theotherevilmonkey72 as a man, I completely agree. They think feminism and empowering women is anti-men

    • @BigLobster44
      @BigLobster44 Před 6 lety +1

      Troy McClure At least the ghost of the great Phil Harmon lives on. It's reality, men are simply more interested in "understanding" the system in order to be successful in their given industry while women prefer to spend more time with family, friends or happily raise children and work part time. It's as if only women can be victims of the system lmfao, what's the prison percentage again? Why is the average amount of time served for an identical crime longer for a man than a woman? The fact so many individuals want to ignore reality and run with narratives the more divided the country will be until people get fed up with all the propaganda. By the way was it toxic masculinity that got you murdered by your wife or was it just because you found out she was banging the neighborhood while you were acting and doing voice work.

  • @kaiofficial7168
    @kaiofficial7168 Před 6 lety +130

    What is this? A Vox comment section that isn’t toxic?!

  • @NoahStolee
    @NoahStolee Před 8 lety +940

    These discussions are so deep and intellectual. You don't find this on every CZcams channel.

  • @Hypatia4242
    @Hypatia4242 Před 7 lety +525

    Confidence in men and women is treated differently by employers. Men who take a position on an issue or give instructions to their employees are perceived as "leaders" while women were perceived as "bossy" and lacking social grace. The social expectations that women be consensus builders and likable makes it harder for them to be highly confident in the workplace as their confidence is more likely to make them a target for the attack of their peers and supervisors.

    • @nnekaokonkwo8271
      @nnekaokonkwo8271 Před 6 lety +10

      Hypatia4242 I completely agree.

    • @ShreyaSingh-qr9di
      @ShreyaSingh-qr9di Před 6 lety +2

      Sheryl Sandberg wrote a whole book about this.

    • @tigerking6908
      @tigerking6908 Před 4 lety +4

      Because man born to lead others

    • @krystalphan8871
      @krystalphan8871 Před 4 lety +11

      @@tigerking6908 uhm... no

    • @krystalphan8871
      @krystalphan8871 Před 4 lety +7

      @doomer based on what research or scientific study? because I've read plenty of them proving women are better at dealing with emotion of herself and even others'

  • @crazwizardlizard
    @crazwizardlizard Před 7 lety +185

    a lot of women have imposter syndrome. also, i think that its not just that women are less confident, its also that overconfidence, while rewarding for men, is actually punished in women.

  • @plssubpls6050
    @plssubpls6050 Před 7 lety +299

    This just made me feel bad for all the quiet girls in my classes.

    • @lamename5094
      @lamename5094 Před 7 lety +3

      Pls sub Pls don't feel bad “the quiet girls” aren't always quiet when need be.

    • @lizab4208
      @lizab4208 Před 7 lety +1

      Pls sub Pls I know what your talking about! !

    • @Jawz366
      @Jawz366 Před 7 lety +6

      I know some quiet guys in my class

  • @Cccc123c33
    @Cccc123c33 Před 8 lety +96

    Well, we should encourage women (and people in general) to be more confident and fight for what they want if this is the issue.

    • @Cccc123c33
      @Cccc123c33 Před 7 lety +5

      My point was, it's not just "women's issue", but humanity's in general. I think I could have worded it better, but I meant that in case we don't already do, it shouldn't be just about one particular sex.
      Lack of confidence doesn't discriminate and it does come from within. Encouragement from others does help, but I think that in the end of the day it's up to each person to empower themselves.

    • @TheInfamousBertman
      @TheInfamousBertman Před 7 lety +1

      Have you looked at our culture, lately? Seems like everywhere you turn you get positive messages for women in media. What else can we even do?

    • @Cccc123c33
      @Cccc123c33 Před 7 lety

      +TheInfamousBertman My original comment was almost a year ago. I think you should read the rest of replies before assuming what I have meant. Thanks.

    • @thenobleandmightybeaver4411
      @thenobleandmightybeaver4411 Před 6 lety

      C - In theory I agree with this statement; however, one of the first indicators of incompetence is over-confidence. Perhaps the better plan of attack is to promote self awareness and an acknowledgement of personal shortcomings and areas of ignorance. This would be exponentially more difficult to do and is diametrically opposite of how we socialize children, but in the long run would certainly prove more effective.

  • @NoliMeTangere1163
    @NoliMeTangere1163 Před 6 lety +133

    As a woman in a man's field, I've worked with so many men who are overconfident to the point of being difficult to work with. They are disorganized, they lack in talent and are often less prepared than the women. Yet, they are chosen for more positions, they gain higher salaries and are still preferred in the industry. Then, their employers wonder why they often have negative affects on the organization. My female colleagues work harder, are better prepared, more creative and more apt to try whatever is needed to make a situation work. Honestly, the mentality of the over-confident man is one that needs to retire with the Baby Boomer Generation.

    • @Le.K
      @Le.K Před 4 lety +3

      That mentality is what made America the most powerful country in the world.

    • @lynns4122
      @lynns4122 Před 4 lety

      @merph1 Source?

    • @lynns4122
      @lynns4122 Před 4 lety

      @Molly McConnell Source?

    • @lynns4122
      @lynns4122 Před 4 lety

      @Lord Farquaad Source?
      Idk much about the multitasking research but comment sense says both genders have been multitasking for thousands of years.

    • @trollol707
      @trollol707 Před 4 lety +3

      Overconfident men aren‘t bad, in fact they are good! But it would be even better when women to were overconfident! Our whole society needs to be confident, so we can be motivated and achieve more as a whole!

  • @poppyorangeflower
    @poppyorangeflower Před 6 lety +165

    Same for race. Black young men get hired after they’ve proven themselves. Young white men get hired for their “potential”.

    • @mrScififan2
      @mrScififan2 Před 4 lety +3

      Yup!

    • @lucyjean8293
      @lucyjean8293 Před 3 lety +7

      Luka wow not only are you sexist, your also racist! Aren’t we all lucky to have to live in same world as you 🥰

    • @YoussefJKaram
      @YoussefJKaram Před 3 lety

      @Luka Racist!

    • @YoussefJKaram
      @YoussefJKaram Před 3 lety

      @Luka It's not facts. Facts are cold, hard, and does not vary. This "fact" of yours is the opposite.

  • @QuartzIsAnOxide
    @QuartzIsAnOxide Před 7 lety +100

    This is awfully true. Ask any girl how they think they've performed in a test and they'll be like "Well, i failed miserably". This is also the case with a lot of men, including myself, but i've seen it happen more often in women.

    • @thisisntallowed9560
      @thisisntallowed9560 Před 4 lety +3

      My mom made sure to tell me I was intelligent a lot. One of the only good thing she did... So I didn't have this problem during tests.

    • @liete-sl2wg
      @liete-sl2wg Před 4 lety +4

      @@thisisntallowed9560 Good for you . Be like that to your child too don't mess them up like how my mom did to me :)

  • @n.kieffer.7908
    @n.kieffer.7908 Před 7 lety +147

    I think it an understatement to say that men don't need encouragement to go out and take on new roles and women do. Men are raised in a culture where they see themselves reflected in all areas of society from carpenters, doctors, to politicians. The underlying assumption being portrayed is that they can do whatever they want in life. Moreover, I do think that men receive more verbal encouragement to seek out new roles, regardless of how competent they are. Further, they are perceived by others as being competent whether or not they truly are.

    • @NeuroticKnight9
      @NeuroticKnight9 Před 7 lety +12

      Incompetent men end up homeless on the streets, incompetent women end up house wives. Men can't help but strive because society does not extend empathy to us on failure like it does to women.

    • @thomashoma5648
      @thomashoma5648 Před 7 lety +5

      Nicole Kieffer this is 2017 many women are in those roles, hell our youth just saw a women almost become president

    • @ALBUMOF2008
      @ALBUMOF2008 Před 7 lety +18

      Thomas Homa 'almost' is the keyword. It's not happened yet. Clinton was wayyyyyy more suited to the presidency than trump but her confidence was perceived as annoying whereas his was perceived as strong.

    • @thomashoma5648
      @thomashoma5648 Před 7 lety +1

      ALBUMOF2008 I'm not talking about why she failed to become president...

    • @sunnybubbleday
      @sunnybubbleday Před 6 lety +6

      nick Women have the same problems with going in to masculine jobs is the key, as well as the fact that a lot more jobs are considered masculine than feminine.
      You also have to remember that if we were encouraging more women to take jobs in other sectors, it would even out that it would be okay for men to take positions in more typically feminine jobs. Not that fashion and social work are particularly feminine anyway, most leading fashion designers are men and while there is a certain percentage more women in social work, men aren't actively discouraged from those jobs in the same way women are from leading positions in other sectors.

  • @randomgirl01300
    @randomgirl01300 Před 7 lety +41

    I am proud of men asking what they can do.

  • @delphinebakery
    @delphinebakery Před 7 lety +252

    I've read an article somewhere that it's not simply about societal upbringing; well a lot of it is, but another aspect is that pre-pubescent girls tend to mature and develop more quickly than pre-pubescent boys. You'll see that reflected in the academic test scores that girls tend to do better at a younger age because they've developed more quickly. This is significant because during the formative years of a child's identity, what girls are essentially being told is, "you did well on this test because you're smart" while boys are encouraged, "you can do better if you just tried harder." This results in the sort of mentality that Ms Shipman was talking about how girls give up easily in the face of a difficult task because they believe that they don't have the competence for it, while boys are more likely to try and be okay with failing.

    • @user-hy6hi7fg5m
      @user-hy6hi7fg5m Před 7 lety +13

      Goh Ju Chen Delphine beautiful comment, thank you

    • @kathrinlindern2697
      @kathrinlindern2697 Před 7 lety +48

      Actually, a lot of studies show that it is the other way around. Girl work a lot harder in school than boys do and if they are asked "why are you good at math" boys will say "because i´m smart" and girls will say "because i studied really hard". that´s what makes boys overconfident, they see themselves as clever.

    • @jaykoerner
      @jaykoerner Před 7 lety +2

      Kathrin Lindern your comment doesn't make much sense, if girls work harder to do well at math, and attributes it to studying, while I boy doesn't work hard and also does well and attributes it to intelligence, isn't that what it is?(note the gender aspect of this isn't even nessasary, not that women aren't intelligent either),
      so your saying that boy don't try hard and don't fail enough and that causes there over confidence? seems to broad for me to be a effective answer, at most it would need more information, like why men don't try hard enough. and what would cause the correlation between these factors.

    • @kathrinlindern2697
      @kathrinlindern2697 Před 7 lety +20

      When we see boys as talented and girls as hardworking, boys will get more self-confidence and girls will constantly doubt themselves. Cause work is seen as an outside-factor, applied to a certain project and not to the person who did the work, it has to be brought in at every occasion again, while talent will be there for a life and hardly get lost. So if girls and boys perform the same at math in school, and both get good grades, the girl will explain this with the hours she spend studying, the boy with his intelligence. When you explain success just with work, you are afraid that a more challenging project, like studying math, will mean even more work and you might not be as smart as the other people around and fail. Someone who believes in his intelligence does not make these mistakes and starts the project.

    • @jaykoerner
      @jaykoerner Před 7 lety

      Kathrin Lindern the problem is then you just cause other issues, like that assumes a major component of confidence is both lazyness and Intelligence, it assumes that men are more lazy then women and that women are less intelligent then men, maybe there are slightly Truths in that, I can't say but the effect shown is to broad reaching to be that alone, considering that men and women are not that drastically different in Intelligence from what I've read, there is a certainly a complex mismatch of societal, social, and genetic variables at play. what you describe would at most be a symptom of the root causes, not a root cause it's self, that was what I was trying to get at, if you want to use that as a reason you then have to further explain why men don't try hard and still do well in school, something that I have rarely seen, most of whom I've meet in standard and higher education did have to try hard same as women, if they both have to try hard you then have to explain why men attribute work to Intelligence and women do not, attributing work to Intelligence seem like a expression or confidence meaning that it is not a cause, it a rabbit hole and you'll never find the end, but 1st level reasons won't help explain much, it doesn't show how connected everything is

  • @Grubiantoll
    @Grubiantoll Před 7 lety +78

    I wonder how does these statistics change over different countries
    also I think last ellections really showed how much confidence is more effective in getting you the job then actual competence

    • @gracefulsunrise
      @gracefulsunrise Před 7 lety +4

      Potatoes69 oh gtfo

    • @xenoblad
      @xenoblad Před 7 lety +15

      Potatoes69 Hillary's issue was being corrupt, not being incompetent.
      She took money to give a speech to Goldman Sachs and was abandoned by many progressives.
      Trump puts the president of Goldman Sachs into his cabinet and we here crickets from his supporters.
      The confidence over competence value still applies, even if both participants are corrupt sellouts.

    • @xenoblad
      @xenoblad Před 7 lety +2

      Potatoes69 Hillary's issue was being corrupt, not being incompetent.
      She took money to give a speech to Goldman Sachs and was abandoned by many progressives.
      Trump puts the president of Goldman Sachs into his cabinet and we here crickets from his supporters.
      The confidence over competence value still applies, even if both participants are corrupt sellouts.

    • @thisisntallowed9560
      @thisisntallowed9560 Před 4 lety

      In my country they tried to recruit women for their governments, but when they called, women said they didn't think they were competent even if they had all the competence, while for men they said they were totally competent even if they were less competent. (sorry if it's not clear I speak french)

    • @thisisntallowed9560
      @thisisntallowed9560 Před 4 lety

      @Lord Farquaad Because the woman has studied, had some experience, a formation while a lot of men they called were like ''famour actors'', of course there are many competent men too.

  • @DaaaahWhoosh
    @DaaaahWhoosh Před 7 lety +387

    Maybe we should find a way to not reward overconfidence. I like to let overconfident coworkers fail, so that they can learn to not be overconfident, but somehow even when they screw up no one seems to mind, whereas when I, as a not confident person, do something wrong, suddenly they lose all faith in me, and task the overconfident people with overseeing my work.

    • @jayzbrainz1095
      @jayzbrainz1095 Před 7 lety +43

      That's such a bullshit way of thinking.

    • @stanley3385
      @stanley3385 Před 7 lety +39

      Simple answer buddy, you are a no getter and a push over, and your coworker does not give up. He will learn 10 times more than you ever will with your viewpoint.

    • @amorecredibleusername692
      @amorecredibleusername692 Před 7 lety +38

      DaaaahWhoosh "I like to let overconfident co-workers fail..." this sentence reeks of jealousy and overconfidence, you don't care about their confidence, you care about your ego.

    • @NeuroticKnight9
      @NeuroticKnight9 Před 7 lety +13

      Bad actions still are a chance to learn, inactions are not.

    • @RoadRunnerdn
      @RoadRunnerdn Před 7 lety +8

      That's when you end up with a depressed person instead. Putting down those who believe in themselves is not the answer.

  • @jayzbrainz1095
    @jayzbrainz1095 Před 7 lety +84

    "No matter how great you are, you'll get no where great in life if you don't stand out and project yourself as someone who is great."
    ---- A quote I just made up

    • @ana-he9cw
      @ana-he9cw Před 4 lety

      why did you put it in quotation marks

  • @robotjack2193
    @robotjack2193 Před 6 lety +32

    I'm not a woman. But her description of how women think and act in the workplace is exactly how i am.
    So now I'm not only cheering on the advances women make in society only for their benefit. Now, I'm hoping their advances can also become mine.
    This is a side effect of the feminist movement that I have thought about in the past. I'm quite certain that there are a large number of men whose life experiences fall in that gray zone that I now find myself in. This is why diversity matters. This is why the more different viewpoints that a person understands the better. Because a win for the equality of one group is ultimately a win for all of us.

    • @merchantfan
      @merchantfan Před 6 lety +12

      Yep! Just because some things are meant to help women, it doesn't mean that they are going to hurt men or won't help some men. I think a lot of the commenters complaining about "this isn't a sex issue" or "it's not just women, why do you have to bring up gender" are upset that they could be included in a group that's primarily female. Boys are socialized from a young age to think that being like women in any way is bad. In many languages, if even one man is in a group the tense becomes masculine. You're probably familiar with the trope of the girl who fixes a car or likes sports who says "I have a lot of brothers". I don't think I've ever seen a scene where a straight guy knows a lot about makeup or sewing and says "I grew up with sisters".

    • @tbh7244
      @tbh7244 Před 4 lety +2

      exactly. What a lot of people don't understand is that feminism is supposed to do good for both genders.

    • @suryasishtalukdar210
      @suryasishtalukdar210 Před 3 lety

      @@tbh7244 then change the name to humanism and address men's issues equally

  • @tori2dles
    @tori2dles Před 6 lety +79

    I recall various times trying to negotiate a higher, competitive wage with what male colleagues were making. I had one boss who got so angry with me for “having the audacity”, he couldn’t contain the flow of misogynistic bile that had been bubbling inside him through the years. I wish I had recorded it and hit him with a legal battle.

  • @jingyasun6292
    @jingyasun6292 Před 6 lety +9

    Man I wish there were more intelligent discussions like this on CZcams.

  • @heartdragon2386
    @heartdragon2386 Před 7 lety +122

    Confidence is great, but overconfidence ruins lives, economies, environments, and countries.

    • @411ward
      @411ward Před 5 lety

      Or the whole world is going to turn into shits

    • @411ward
      @411ward Před 5 lety

      Overconfidence is just being delusional it’s okay to be wrong sometimes it’s not a sin to be wrong.

    • @anthonysabierre8826
      @anthonysabierre8826 Před 5 lety

      Sure, overconfidence can be bad, but without it many of humankind’s achievements could never have happened.

  • @WTFuToob
    @WTFuToob Před 7 lety +39

    Their body language completely coincides with the point of this video. Since he is the interviewer and not the expert on the subject, he displays a higher level of confidence physiologically. Asking questions about something is much easier than answering them, especially when the validity of those answers is relevant to someone's credibility. He also is able to give his perspective to a question, in the form of a question, which adds to the already large amount of information she is trying to relay to him. He is able to lean back, be relaxed and control fully the direction flow of the interview. Unfortunately, she is wanting to convey such a large amount of information, in a very short timespan between questions, that her body language does reflect it. She"s leaning forward, using a great deal of hand gestures and trying to fit as many details as possible into her answer, that it portrays an image of her, more or less trying to "convince him" that her answer is correct. A, "You really need to believe me," posture, which is the exactly how she described the women of the study felt. They felt it more important be a 100% sure of their answers, because in doing so, that will draw more opportunity to the most qualified, (which is how it should absolutely work..) I personally do this as well and attribute it to "my mouth trying to keep up with my mind." Meaning, the avalanche of relevant information I'm trying so hard to get out, can only go at the speed my mouth will allow. To compensate, I become more animated and add body gestures, thinking it will give added relevance to the shortened answer I had to give. This results in a hurried posture and tone, which to me when watching this interview, projects a less confident dynamic. By no means am I faulting either on anything, I though this topic was fantastic, well done and most important, done with two people that are more than qualified to speak on this subject. I just thought it interesting that their body languages inadvertently seemed to mirror the subject matter of the topic very close.

    • @terrencedayton2788
      @terrencedayton2788 Před 6 lety

      He's mirroring her leg crossing and foot movements like the true soy boy that he is.

  • @Electriophile
    @Electriophile Před 7 lety +8

    This really solidifies the "fake it till you make it" idea.

  • @lesliefoundhergrail
    @lesliefoundhergrail Před 10 lety +45

    Geeeeeeeeeeeez. This was a wonderful pat on the back. We hear facts like this all of the time, but Claire was able to string them in an arc that shows a tangibility for change!

  • @drakedrones
    @drakedrones Před 6 lety +6

    Confidence vs cocky - many people do not know the difference. Overconfident vs brave - many do not know the difference either.

  • @MsVeggieEater
    @MsVeggieEater Před 7 lety +9

    This is me exactly correct and completely sums up my personal and professional career. As a woman I don't feel like I can do a lot of things or go a lot of places. And sometimes, between missing work due to horrible menstrual cramps and being physically weaker, being a woman honestly feels like a disability.

  • @hezekiahramirez6965
    @hezekiahramirez6965 Před 7 lety +18

    Competent women bypassed by overconfident men, huh? Why does that seem so relevant here in the US in 2017?

    • @JastwatchingYT
      @JastwatchingYT Před 3 lety

      Hillary was still not competent, though trump is way more incompetent.
      I still worry about the "no-fly zone over syria" that hillary proposed.

  • @Nenona1200
    @Nenona1200 Před 7 lety +9

    I found out I was paid at $9 while my roommate and coworker who'd only done part-time technical support before was being paid $14 an hour, he told me that it was fair because "You just don't have the experience."
    I'd done technical support for over a year, and my previous job paid me $13 an hour, I was promised a match at this new one, and never given it.
    But you know, I didn't deserve $14 an hour...

  • @2listening1
    @2listening1 Před 6 lety +13

    0:28 People having 60% of the job qualifications sounds like what's wrong nowadays!

    • @lucyjean8293
      @lucyjean8293 Před 3 lety

      Love did you pay attention to the whole video???

    • @JakeyJones
      @JakeyJones Před 3 lety +1

      I’d be sweating bricks going into a job not being at least 80% qualified

  • @megnelli
    @megnelli Před 6 lety +18

    I'd be very interested to know how they define confidence, and if women have different ways that confidence manifests itself that is not recognized because it is feminine.

    • @OdinsSage
      @OdinsSage Před 6 lety +6

      Megan Nell Schosboek that is actually quite a compelling thought, I would love to see some sort of study done on that.

  • @Leftistchino
    @Leftistchino Před 7 lety +418

    2016 election summed up

  • @johngruver5666
    @johngruver5666 Před 7 lety +10

    I wonder how institutions can change to better reward competence over confidence.

  • @allPodd
    @allPodd Před 7 lety +8

    I wonder how much of this stems from how women and men are portrayed in media. Sometimes, I feel like I'm taught by movies to let men take the lead because they are more competent. (Women always seem to need saving by men.) But recent movies are changing that, which hopefully would change this situation in the future.

    • @merchantfan
      @merchantfan Před 6 lety +2

      It's part of it! That and how we raise kids, how we talk about things. Things like seeing a woman academic discuss things and a good percentage of the comments just talk about her appearance....

    • @etf42
      @etf42 Před 5 lety

      no, its reality.

    • @tbh7244
      @tbh7244 Před 4 lety +1

      @merph1 believe it or not being emotional could be a great tool. You know how mothers have this instinct to protect their babies against all costs? that's emotion, and thats also strength. Also, men are generally more violent or angrier than women, and anger is an emotion too

  • @EXoDuZ302
    @EXoDuZ302 Před 7 lety +7

    as a male this actually resonates with me a lot... should i be feeling weird about that?
    i ask simply because im not sure how to feel about someone talking about women in general yet somehow hitting very close to home
    although if i saw this 10 years ago i might feel different

  • @HelgaCavoli
    @HelgaCavoli Před 7 lety +5

    Imagine a woman president in Brazil, bossing around men. Is a man ever considered too strict as a bad thing?
    It's way more acceptable.

  • @StephRatty
    @StephRatty Před 7 lety +52

    I think it stems from a fact that most women over think, over thinking of course leads to doubting etc.

  • @ohfrikinyeah
    @ohfrikinyeah Před 7 lety

    This was a really great format. Loved the conversation!

  • @scottpeterson7500
    @scottpeterson7500 Před 4 lety +3

    This video helps me to understand why I find women so much more relatable as people than most men.

  • @johnmillholland6550
    @johnmillholland6550 Před 6 lety +3

    I totally understand where all of this is coming. I see this reflected in my work and those around me. What I see kind of layers on to what’s discussed in the video. Women actually have more confidence in their resilience and their work ethic. They’re more confident and responsive to taking on more work they know they can do. Men on the other hand have less raw willpower or resilience in these situations but they do have more willingness to try things new and different, to break the rules and end up looking embarrassed if they fail but impressive if they succeed.

  • @shannon1958
    @shannon1958 Před 6 lety +2

    As a woman who can be considered as relatively competent in my various pursuits, I understand this. I feel like I do present as underconfident partially because I feel like it's expected of me. Like if I'm too confident I'm going to annoy people so it's best to stay under the radar.

  • @soccerishotdotcom
    @soccerishotdotcom Před 6 lety +2

    this is amazing, thank you vox

  • @SoAS26
    @SoAS26 Před 7 lety +2

    You are amazing and more capable than you can ever imagine ,just go out there and do it !

  • @shannonbecool101
    @shannonbecool101 Před 7 lety +2

    I agree that being over confident makes me feel rather unlikeable but it's also that I am afraid to be confident and then failing. Then the following embarrassment would be unbearable

  • @MrsAlexisAgnew2019
    @MrsAlexisAgnew2019 Před 7 lety

    I love this! Want to see more!

  • @emilfalk561
    @emilfalk561 Před 6 lety +2

    confidence is key though, in everything, if you think too long you'll miss the opportunity

    • @ldinti03
      @ldinti03 Před 4 lety

      Courage is key not confidence.

  • @christinelawless686
    @christinelawless686 Před 6 lety +4

    I'd be interested in see these stats broken down into race too.

  • @PJ-pf4qj
    @PJ-pf4qj Před 7 lety +7

    omg when she was asked about her daughter and she's like "failure is ok"

    • @PJ-pf4qj
      @PJ-pf4qj Před 7 lety +2

      my mom about me tbh

  • @andrew4363
    @andrew4363 Před 3 lety

    This is really important, and something I’ve never thought about before. (In the context of jobs/money)

  • @christianalexander2026
    @christianalexander2026 Před 7 lety +3

    In my personal experience, I've found that I stand out more to my female managers through empathetic conversation and I stand out more to my male managers when I boast my accomplishments and abilities.
    Given that elementary education usually teaches social ethics (cooperation, conversation), should we consider teaching children about confidence at that age? I'm personally interested if this could help a child avoid developing mood disorders during puberty and teenage years as well.

  • @i8anapplemac
    @i8anapplemac Před 8 lety +3

    this is so important

  • @areetablack5301
    @areetablack5301 Před 6 lety +1

    It’s odd that she should mention the thing about the guy constantly interrupting the females considering I recently experienced something like that. I was in a group call with a bunch of male friends(I was the only female) and every time I tried to talk, one of the would interrupt me with something irrelevant, such as when I was trying to address one person specifically, one of the guys would interrupt the conversation by talking to that other person. Because of this, I actually ended up the quietest person in the chat and only one of the guys actually seemed to notice that I was constantly being interrupted(Ironically enough, he was also the only one who actually had a girlfriend)

  • @weltschmertzz
    @weltschmertzz Před 6 lety

    Hits the spot. Do trainings for confidence and self-esteem exist?

  • @Mimi-cc3mr
    @Mimi-cc3mr Před 7 lety

    good message to go around!

  • @patrickmeyer3420
    @patrickmeyer3420 Před 6 lety +3

    Was there any analysis as to if the men were preconditioned to present overconfidence compared to their actual confidence. That is, could it be that both men and women have the same level of confidence but are conditioned to present otherwise. Many women can attest that "faking it" is a real thing.

  • @anthonysabierre8826
    @anthonysabierre8826 Před 5 lety

    Wow, I really didn’t know much confidence effected gender gaps. As a moderate who tends to lean against feminist values, this video/conversation was enlightening and not a man-hating tumblr post!!
    Short story for those that disliked without watching; Men aren’t the problem, this isn’t against men. This is teaching women that they have the competence to back-up their confidence. GOOD VID, VOX!!

  • @erichmarais9579
    @erichmarais9579 Před 7 lety +21

    "Confidence is important for getting head in life." Yes, Ezra, yes it is.

    • @asseater0077
      @asseater0077 Před 6 lety

      Erich Marais getting head and getting ahead

  • @thomaspicard9170
    @thomaspicard9170 Před 7 lety +1

    As a dude, this video makes me feel dope as hell.

  • @darcymiller6493
    @darcymiller6493 Před 7 lety

    So timely.

  • @TheStonesQT93
    @TheStonesQT93 Před 6 lety +3

    I'm a female, and I know this is a broad trend/average so I'm not discrediting. But this lady really needs to see the women in my office, they have the male attributes described here. And my husband and I suffer from the female tendencies described here. Maybe this study tells us more about the nature of confidence and our twisted corporate cultures.

  • @Sunshine44008
    @Sunshine44008 Před 7 lety

    I highly recommend her book, which she wrote with Katty Kay. It's called The Confidence Code. It's very well researched and very insightful. This interview barely touches the topic - seriously, read the book. It's brilliant!

  • @maccanorton
    @maccanorton Před 7 lety +1

    Are they wearing the same shoes in different colors?

  • @sorayaghassemlou5462
    @sorayaghassemlou5462 Před 3 lety

    can we get access to these studies?

  • @drunkonart
    @drunkonart Před 6 lety

    She gave a great interview

  • @neha1123
    @neha1123 Před 7 lety

    omg the comeback at 09:10

  • @megnelli
    @megnelli Před 6 lety

    Hey Vox, can you please post your references to these studies?!

  • @akalaiderxd9686
    @akalaiderxd9686 Před 5 lety +1

    we should incourage women to get to a point of failure because when they slowly realise that failure isn't the end of the world they are going to take more risk and then the feedback loop will make them slowly more confident. (Men naturaly get in to that feedback loop.) As we should say "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger"

  • @NToB36
    @NToB36 Před 7 lety

    makes so much sense

  • @mometa94
    @mometa94 Před 7 lety +1

    so interesting

  • @T0mek87
    @T0mek87 Před 5 lety

    5:13 perfectly summarizes current males vs females problems :) I will make a daring statement, that man are different than woman in many many ways, and it's not bad - it's good, and we should try to work with it, instead of trying to force equalization everywhere. And as for promotions, this is a tricky subject. Many promotions, especially in corporations, are vertical. You can be a team lead, a manager etc - a leader of some sort. So a competent accountant may be a terrible accountant manager. That's why you need a competent leader, and one of leadership competencies is... confidence. In general, the leadership skills are often more important than the skills of the people who are being managed. On the other hand - an overconfident, but incompetent leader is an absolute nightmare.

  • @deeb3272
    @deeb3272 Před 4 lety +1

    I think it still depends on which society we are talking about.

  • @bessyisyourbestieforever3164

    Ive asked for too much money before and an old man sat in the hiring chair. He was at first perturbed and after a minute he gave me what i wanted and actually looked at me more eye to eye. Why should i work for less when i had to worker harder to accomplish my achievements? Moral of the story. My Sisters if you want to get paid like a man you have to make demands like a man. They will call you cold hearted and bitchy but if you are nice they think you are interested in them sexually and make a fool of you. Which you do you want to be ? Id rather be seen as bitchy than be thr office eye candy quite honestly.

  • @thenobleandmightybeaver4411

    I am a woman in the military. Within my particular vocation women represent approximately 15% of personnel. A fundamental component of most military training, and in particular leadership training, is instilling confidence and decisiveness based on fostering competency. My initial leadership training was almost solely based on my ability to confidently and decisively make decisions, successfully have people enact those decisions via orders. The correctness of those decisions was a secondary consideration behind my presentation and ability to maintain control of a group. An interesting by-product of this focus is that women who stay in the military for longer than a few years, thereby being promoted into leadership positions, tend to develop greater confidence than the average level of confidence of most women generally. When you combine women's higher confidence with a greater ethic and drive towards competence what we see happening is women on average are being promoted more quickly than our male counterparts. This on occasion creates conflict, however it is fairly quickly quashed as the promotion schema within the military I belong is based on a board of senior leaders making decisions around promotion based on tangible and proven accomplishments and assessments (vice writing and passing tests like the American military). These assessment tools have nothing to do with self reporting and are based on the assessment of the leadership team which that individual falls under, which inevitable is overwhelmingly male.

  • @crystalm4000
    @crystalm4000 Před 5 lety

    What is the interviewer's name? I possibly recall seeing him on PBS Newshour

  • @0theredqueen0
    @0theredqueen0 Před 6 lety

    I feel like I deserve just as much money. 🙌🏻💯
    There is so much unconscious bias in our society.

  • @BirdMoose
    @BirdMoose Před 6 lety

    i can tell from myself that this is true, because well my dad taught me to ALWAYS put myself out there for well about these reasons and that has benefited me... is that bad?

  • @Jenie0van0DenHaag
    @Jenie0van0DenHaag Před 6 lety

    Which is the book they speak of?

  • @Fuego958
    @Fuego958 Před 7 lety

    Overconfidence? I totally got this.

  • @wompwomp467
    @wompwomp467 Před 6 lety +1

    as a girl in high school i notice this everyday

  • @kaylacywinski
    @kaylacywinski Před 7 lety +2

    love her comment on failing

  • @ChannelMath
    @ChannelMath Před 7 lety +1

    I thought the data at the beginning showed underconfidence in women, but that seemed to be ignored to only discuss overconfidence in men.

  • @whychoooseausername4763
    @whychoooseausername4763 Před 6 lety +1

    I've always had female role models and mentors. My mother has a great career and has been promoting other women's careers for years. I don't know why when it comes to myself in a professional environment I still associate male qualities with success.

  • @sharmintareque
    @sharmintareque Před 3 lety

    CLAIRE SHIPMAN!! I READ HER BOOK!!! AAAAAA

  • @cortanax1407
    @cortanax1407 Před 6 lety

    i dont understand the problem could somebody elaborate?

  • @jpm74
    @jpm74 Před 3 lety

    I prejudged the video by it's title. I was glad to see that it's important for women to have more confidence in themselves AND for everyone to take confidence with a grain of salt.

  • @GM__user
    @GM__user Před 7 lety

    what book are they talking about?

  • @ladytomato7282
    @ladytomato7282 Před 6 lety

    This is why every day I try be more and more confident every day. I am excited to become a female engineer

  • @lauren6138
    @lauren6138 Před 6 lety

    my parents always taught me life is a contact sport

  • @2listening1
    @2listening1 Před 6 lety

    9:09 Good point, but the lady wasn't really talking about how to respond to a problem or a complaint. She is talking about how to respond to an opportunity, like a job opening. So we're good on both those things! It's not a real contradiction or conundrum in this case.

  • @juliantotriwijaya9208
    @juliantotriwijaya9208 Před 4 lety

    To put it simply
    Men: overcofidence
    Women: humble

  • @mramazing502
    @mramazing502 Před 6 lety

    Woooo! Go get em girls!

  • @samantha8706
    @samantha8706 Před 5 lety

    1:06 has the same name as me. My middle name is Claire.

  • @huntergear4357
    @huntergear4357 Před 7 lety

    confidence is key confidence is king

  • @Riadurrohman
    @Riadurrohman Před 2 lety

    Interesting sosial knowledge

  • @jessicalee333
    @jessicalee333 Před 7 lety +3

    Clearly, we can all learn a little something from Kanye.

  • @sxpreme-2960
    @sxpreme-2960 Před 5 lety

    Men are always told to be confident and go after what they want, woman are told to be docile.

  • @Telltale.
    @Telltale. Před 6 lety +1

    Anyone else reminded of Dunning Krueger?

  • @halomovie100
    @halomovie100 Před 7 lety

    From childhood the social dynamic between men and women is established. Men approach women and try to court them - therefore developing confidence from an early age. This has been normalized basically since the beginning of civilization but I'm just going to throw this idea out there. How we think of gender psychologically is dependent on our sexual interactions.
    This problem of confidence is something that needs to be taught from an early age. If we teach young women to go after what they want rather than be passive receivers( this goes back to the courting comment), my theory is that it will have major ripples in women's confidence and in our society at large. Yes this is a small part of the problem but I think it's something that people aren't talking about much.