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- Archery expert Grizzly Jim looks at 10 bow-and-arrow scenes from popular TV shows and movies and rates them based on realism.
He looks at "Hawkeye" S1E1 (2021), "The Hunger Games" (2012), "Brave" (2012), "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" (2002), "Wonder Woman" (2017), "Robin Hood" (2018), "War of the Arrows" (2011), "The Avengers" (2012), "Game of Thrones" S6E9 (2016), and "Rambo III" (1988). He comments on the technique of Hawkeye, Kate Bishop, Katniss Everdeen, Antiope, and more.
Jim is a British archer who provides workshops, seminars, and one-on-one instruction in traditional archery. He previously worked on the archery CZcams channel Merlin Archery and now works on the channel Archery Adventures.
For more information, visit www.grizzlyjim.co.uk/about-me/
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"You don't let go of the string. The trick is to try and no longer be holding the string." That kind of elegant subtlety is what makes me love listening to experts...in anything.
You alow to arrow to leave.
He is dead on right there. The analogy we use in our archery classes is: You carry a shopping bag in your hooked fingers - and simply drop it. You let loose.
Which is why they created a thing called a quick release🤦♂️
@@joebenson6083 ye but not everyone wants to rely on those gadgets… feels like cheating to me
its easy... dont let go of the arrow... you let the arrow go...
A thing about Brave, Pixar came down to our local archery shop and had the owner and some other top archers go to the studio and talk about proper stance while shooting and they brought different bows to show the difference between how they worked. They had about 10 cameras that captured everything while shooting. Was pretty awesome. That’s why it deserves a 10/10.
He didn't mention a tiny detail: she cut her cheek on the fletching
Thats really cool
That's really cool that they came to the store! I loved the amount of realism of archery in this movie
Pixar usually does tons of research for every new type of animation that they do I find that truly amazing
But.... Was it historically accurate?
The thing I love about Brave is their attention to detail. It's so minute that when they zoom in on her face for the final arrow, you see she has a scar/scratch at her ancor point. Which implies years of repetitive rubbing from the feathers of her arrows
you sea that injury happen as she shoots from the flights on the arrow
@@dynamitedingo8183 you can actually see it prior to that
There is also an immediate feather cut on her cheek
I thought she was scratching/cutting her face with the feather right there and then?
My university has an indoor archery range quietly hidden away and very few people knows of its existence. In a glass enclosed display are several "split arrows". When someone successfully shot an arrow into the back of another, the arrows get displayed with a plaque with the name of the archer, date, and stats of the bow (draw weight, type, etc.). In all the years the range has existed (more than 100 years), there were only 8 split arrows on display.
What univ.?
Simmilar situation at my local archery club. We have 2 one „displayed“ and one taken home by the guy who did it.
Used to play nok nok as a kid. We all had aluminum arrows and tried to hit the nok of your opponents arrow. Land a shot and the nok would break.
I used to do Archery when I was a teenager, and splitting an arrow was called a 'Robin Hood'. It did happen quite frequently at our club, but then again we did have quite some pro archers- like olympic level, but compound bows aren't (or weren't at least) an olympic category.
Well hitting the end of another arrow isn't really too rare when you already have 15 in the target and you do it for hundreds of hours over time. Honestly, it's an annoyance, arrows aren't that cheap.
"Killin dudes running away, type of archery"
So casual 😂😂
The best kind of archery 😌
What I wanna be when I grow up🤣
Is there any other kind? Some joker might say killing dudes running to you but we consider it the same dissipline, if did'nt know.
I lol’d at that one! 😂
nice, a verified check mark channel amde a comment on a higher sub count channel, nice try fishing for subs and likes
I've seen other archery experts rate movies. "Brave" also got a 10/10 with them. The attention to detail in that movie was dead on. Even the attitude of a master archer was right.
Brave got everything right (animators, concept artists, historical research, environmental modeling) except for the direction and writing*.
* Apparently the story had a lot of executive meddling and went through extensive rewrites, and then rewrites on top of rewrites, and then the whole concept was rebooted and rewritten again a few times, this time under a new director who replaced the old one, and it shows.
@@Vasharan That explains why it ended up as basically another sequal to Brother Bear story wise then. I love the Merida character and the setting but my god that story is a disapointment.
But doesn't brave take place in 10th century Scotland. Why would she be using a recurve bow? She is also using a Mediterranean draw which seems a bit unusual for Scotland at this time.
Thats simply a feature of animation. They didn't 'know' anything, they just animated everything clean and square and straight and mechanical. It would've actually been way harder to animate a realistic human archer.
@@jonathanblowers4720 As far as I know, there were recurve bows in all of Europe at that time. They were far more common in the eastern Europe and less common in the west, but even in Scotland they had them. Likewise, draw style most likely varied depending on preference and instructions.
I think I remember Hawkeye (the actor, Jeremy Renner) actually DID go do some archery training himself for the role, but the filmmakers made him do all the silly trick shots instead because it just looked cooler to them apparently.
This video actually encouraged me to check on Renner as last I heard he may lose a leg from the accident he was in but he didn't! And he looks to be recovering well for what happened.
That's the thing sometimes with these expert vids they forget a crucial part when they are judging. In the movie they are judging usually the person is the #1 genius in that field in that universe. So complaining about a no look shot because it usually requires a mirror doesn't mean matter all that much.
It makes sense its fiction so its allowed in a sense to be more creatvie even if it isnt realistic the techniques.
@@drake7993 He’s also in the middle of a city with a lot of very reflective windows, so he easily (within the logic of the film) COULD be using a window or reflective building as a mirror.
The thing is this guy says certain things are unrealistic but then later goes on to admit that he has seen Lars Andersen (who does those things), so he knows full well that actually it absolutely is realistic.
A bit disingenuous really.
Funny how he says he would be ziging and zagging, cause that's exactly what everyone yelled at Rickon when the scene first aired
I kept thinking of the scene in the original "In-Laws"; Falk has told Arkin that when he's running he has to "serpentine." So the bad guys are shooting at Arkin, he gets about halfway to Falk who yells "serpentine! serpentine!" so Arkin runs back to his starting point and then back to Falk, serpentining all the way. But yeah, my wife and I were both saying "zig-zag, boy!" as he ran to his death.
I mean… he’s a kid. A kid who’s been held by a crazy psychopath torturing everyone. I’d be surprised if he thought of it personally. The show aged everyone up, so I don’t know exactly how old he was meant to be. In the books he was like 6.
You get mad at irrelevant stuff like that, but ignore the terrible writing and how they ruined all the characters after season 4?
@@AverageAlien Why should he talk about that when the freaking video he is responding to is about the scene he IS actually commenting on. You need to let go of your hate a bit and relax.
I’m loving that Pixar always seems to hit reality closer than live action.
It is kind of ironic. That the cartoon that is not at all trying to be realistic is more realistic than the super hero movie that fills its' scripts with science mobo jumbo nonsense to be "realistic" at a surface level. Or in other words the cartoon doesn't try but does better than the one that tries really hard.
@@SirNarax so interestingly I think it’s the other way around. The Cartoon people go out of their way to mimic reality so hard that they do it better than live action
@@mikeaninger7388 Don't take it too far. Brave is about a mother who gets cursed by a witch and turns into a bear. It is hardly trying to mimic reality, just trying to mimic how people actually move.
I agree.. but its realistic for alot of trick shots and crazy on the go high speed shots with pinpoint accuracy and literally no time to line up shots. There are videos of people doing it here on youtube a simple search will lead you right to some of the best unknown archers you've ever seen IRL.
I'd imagine it's easier.
Animating posture is exactly what you make it.
Having real actors do it would be more difficult. Like with the katniss critique. Her body didn't know what to do when she wasn't on flat ground. In animation you can make the form look good even if it would lead to an angle that would be uncomfortable to a real actor
Love his casual light humorous approach to something he’s so passionate about. No ego, just knowledge.
perfectly exemplified when he says "whatever brings you the biggest smile."
Grizzly Jim is a great dude, check out his videos
You have no knowledge if you say that, because he is nowhere near expert level.
@@michalviktorin6758 you need to get a life.
@@michalviktorin6758 you should re-read what he's saying
Something that was complimented about archery in the Avengers was that Hawkeye did run out of arrows; he doesn't have a limitless supply. There are shots where you see him walking around the battlefield, looking for arrows, and examining them to see if they can be used again .
i’m pretty sure there was even a shot of him reaching back to grab another arrow, realising he was out, and had to resort to something else!
@@cheyenneroberts4785 there was
Fun fact: When they find bodies from the era of the English longbow specialists, they can tell who is a bowman because the bone density on their shooting related shoulder and arm is much higher.
They didn't shoot bows to just to hunt and then learned war tactics, they shot their powerful bows their entire lives as an occupation and got paid VERY well for it.
Ah yes, the shooting related shoulder
i’m an archer and one time my doctor thought i had scoliosis because my shoulders were so uneven⭐️⭐️
@@sare_delozier Oh yes: as a traditional archer using a self bow (not the horrendous item the author uses) My chest has an "A' cup and a 'B' cup side and the muscles under my arms and across my back means I have to buy shirts with more space than my actual chest measurement indicates I should buy.
Not true. It wasn’t their occupation.
During the Longbow era, it was law that every single man had to practice longbow archery every day for a certain time (I think it was 2 hours). England literally made it law that no matter your normal occupation you had to be ready to go to war as a longbowmam.
This is actually something that really pissed of the French during the Hundred Years’ War. They found it insulting that someone who wasn’t even a professional soldier, let alone a nobleman, could kill their noble knights. It led to a lot poor decisions on the part of the French who refused to believe such an incredible insult was real and repeatedly made the same mistakes over and over. Something the English took full advantage of.
@@asherandai2633 There were some professionals (household archers) but, as you say, most were farmers or tradesmen who went to war for a campaign season.
The French at the Battle of Waterloo made the same errors as teh French at Azincourt - they never seemed to learn: cavalry against prepared infantry (especially well trained and disciplined ones) never ends well.
At 8:47 with "Brave", you can actually see the fletching slightly scratch her cheek as the arrow leaves. I was surprised at the level of detail and thought they put into this one scene.
Animators had a field day because the producer said "have at it and get it right!". Things like that hinge on budget and schedule.
I think BRAVE is a splendid film and, even though I have the archery wherewithal of pine cone, its archery felt very authentic when I watched it.
Glad to see a real archer give it high marks!
Damn, I never noticed that until now!
That's pretty cool.
Most likely they filmed multiple real arrows being shot in slow motion.
Every practiced archer's jaw dropped when they saw this scene. They really, really researched this and made a commitment not to "Hollywood" one little bit. The other scene, with the suiters taking their shots was equally well researched. The three made exactly the kind of mistakes real-world, inexperienced archers make.
I really appreciate the fact that Jim brought a bow and arrow with him to illustrate many of his comments about the equipment.
I mean, if your work and public image revolves around using bow and arrows i would asume you carry some with you everywhere you go, just in case
As a hunter he’s ABSOLUTELY right on the hunger games scene, if you spot a deer but don’t have a shot you want to wait for it to move on it’s own or if possible very slowly and quietly move to a better vantage point, deer will bolt if they smell something abnormal, throwing rocks is just going to make it run away
She did exactly what you proposed before the scene shown. As the deer smelled her she changed position. And it was not a very loud sound which could have happened naturally in this place. And as he shouts it bolts away.
@@reinhard8053 too bad we didn’t see the scene prior that would have added excellent context but it’s not only the noise but the context of the noise that makes deer jump (or not) a falling rock which is more or less sudden is going to put the deer on high alert as it would scream “predator” (or at least the possibility of one) this is why moving during hunting is such a pain because deer run off at the sound of crunching leaves or broken twigs. Cinematically it was a great shot especially since the goal was not to make a realistic hunting scene but when you know what you’re looking at it’s hard to ignore the mistakes in the filming process
it's easier to farm the things and slaughter them industrially.
the biggest sin is that she does olympic style archery using olympic anchor points and such....whilst hunting outdoors....
@@reinhard8053 I've heard of some hunters that will try the rock thing in very, very specific scenarios (usually when they are above a bedded deer and something is blocking there view of the deer, toss a rock down towards the deer and hope it gets him to stand up so you can shoot) but as someone who has quite extensive experience bow hunting for mule deer tossing rocks around or making any kind of noise at all is something I would avoid at all costs. More than likely, if you throw a rock towards a deer he is gonna bolt and you'll probably never see him again. The best quality a bow hunter can have is patience and tossing rocks at deer is the epitome of impatient hunting. If killing a deer is going to be the only way you get to eat for a few days I promise you won't be throwing rocks around, you'll be quietly and patiently waiting for a better shot opportunity.
As an archery competition shooter, a USArchery coach and an archery range owner, I give Jim's ratings a 10/10. 100% spot on reviews from the movies to the little comments about your archery knowledge!
As an uninformed pleb, I give your rating of Jim's ratings a 10/10.
As a conscientious bystander, i give your rating of his rating of Jims ratings an absolute 10/10. Great job!
@@cfly87 As a half asleep crab, i give your rating of their rating of the OP's rating of Jim's rating an unadulterated 10/10. also (unrelated), the punniness of USArchery is just... delightful.
Grizzly Jim has for years been one of the friendliest and best informed members of the online archery community, it’s great to see him get some mainstream attention.
It's kind ironic that he's so friendly given that his name is "Grizzly Jim"...Maybe he should be called "Teddy Jim"
He’s actually not pretentious like other experts on this program
seems like he's just an expert on mediterranean archery or am i wrong?
@@aliendoggy1 We'll that's what he shoots so that's where most of his experience lies. He is educated enough to know about other styles of shooting as well. I'm sure he's shot different styles enough to speak to them.
@@pengy44 nah. He was clearly bias on the overdraw which is common and successful in asian archery.
Hawkeye actually runs out of arrows in Avengers (2012)! There's a whole scene dedicated to it, and you can see him gathering arrows in the backgrounds of other shots later.
Yeah I feel like either he hasn't seen or doesn't remember this and the person showing him clips did a disservice by not including the clip of him running out.
Those will be arrows that didn't hit... Arrows that hit pretty much shatter upon impact. Coming from Hawkeye, he shouldn't have missed 😜
@@illvm is that universal? Hawkeye had like grappling hook and exploding arrows and stuff like that so surely they would also be reusable right?
@@harriettubman2717 you have a valid point, but it will depend on the utility of the specific arrow. Grappling hook is designed as a tool for mobility. Exploding arrows, well, if they exploded upon impact, I'm not sure which part of it you can recover. If the arrows are forged as a whole in vibraminium, I'll be somewhat convinced that they can be reused.
@@illvm Except that's plausible for later MCU movies, but not for The Avengers when Hawkeye just has access to toys the US military can provide, not Starktech. I guess technically they might have access to some vibranium for special reusable arrows -- Howard provided the Shield 50 years previously, after all. But it would be pretty rare still, with Wakanda working to keep it scarce.
I'm a bit sorry this video was filmed midway through the Hawkeye series -- to my untrained eye the clock tower scene was the worst archery scene in the show, so I'm curious about GJ's opinions on the later scenes.
I'm surprised he wasn't shown Avatar. The na'vi shoot inverse of humans and I think it would have been interesting to hear his opinion on that
@Felicidad Greene
12:19 isn’t that what they showed? Inverse shooing, aka Mediterranean draw? Shadeversity has an extremely detailed video on it where he shows some other archery content creators using very high poundage war bows (130lbs) and they easily are able to pull the arrow back all the way, problem. Is with the Mediterranean draw you sacrifice a little bit of accuracy but during war that’s acceptable but it isn’t anymore for competition shooting
@@saltyark7564no no in avatar they draw with their knuckles towards their face with their pinky’s up
@Salty Ark Shadiversity talks about experimenting with shooting on the draw side (right side for right handers) of the bow for the Mediterranean style of draw, which is typically shot on the non-draw side. This video is talking about shooting on the draw side for eastern styles of archery (eg. different thumb draws). Shooting on the draw side of the bow is normal for thumb draw but is not normal for Mediterranean draw. So what us described in this video is different than what Shad was trying to do.
@@Intranetusa ahhh ok I missed that little nuance
@@saltyark7564 The Mediterranean draw is referring to the finger position on the draw arm, not the side of the bow the arrow is shot from. In Western archery, Mediterranean draw (one finger above the arrow and two below) is conventionally taught, though some people (myself included) prefer three under. But if you're going to shoot with the arrow on the right side of the bow as in Asiatic archery, you should be using a thumb draw. The reason Asian traditions use the right side is because it's faster and more stable on horseback
One thing a lot of movies always forget is people would never have shouted "Fire!" when telling archers to shoot their arrows.
Curious, what would they say otherwise?
@@feiasef8319 Loose
Unless you travelled back in time with a chainsaw and a shotgun.😜
@@feiasef8319 they actually wouldn't have said anything. having the archers wait with drawn arrows would just tire them out, and launching arrows in volleys wasn't very strategic. the whole firing in volleys thing was actually based on musket volleys. archers would just be trusted to shoot when they knew they could hit the target, or something to that effect.
@@brigidlynch2807not entirely true. English longbowmen had commands, and the command to fire was “loose.” Sometimes “shoot” was used elsewhere.
I love how he mentioned humans are capable of being able to react to arrows. Most of the time in movies where people are being shot, they have NO idea an arrow is flying towards them despite looking at the Archer. I'd say, most of the time unless you're 100% oblivious to the Archer, you're gonna see a small dark brown stick flying at you. (Now whether or not you're able to avoid it is one thing.) but most of the time you'll see it, and have a moment to react.
The arrows aren´t exactly quiet either. So even if you weren´t able to see archer shooting at you, you´d definitely hear the shot coming towards you.
Yeah you got one second baby!
@@Yellow-Rose really? One long second? That's enough time to react, specially for someone trained for it.
A little stick going 150-200mph
Modern compound bows shoot around 300 feet per second, average human reaction time is around .25 of a second. Lets say you are 50 yards away from archer (long shot for hunting) it will take .04 seconds for sound of the bow to get to you, plus your reaction time of .25 seconds gives you .30 seconds. You are left with .20 seconds to get out of the way of the arrow, but if you are within 30 yards (normal hunting range) you would get hit before reacting to it.
Not only was this fascinating, Jim was incredibly easy to listen to and enjoyable. Bravo on another fantastic video, Insider.
disagree. I don't mind his educating us once he's satisfied the real question in our mind, "Can you really make that shoot?" No. OK. Now tell me everything else
@@o_LL_o I don't really see why that matters
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@@o_LL_o idk, that’s definitely not the real question in my mind. I wonder about the stance and the physics just as much as the possibility of the shot.
The thing with Katniss and The Hunger Games shooting style is that she learned from her father, and likely adopted whatever form he used. We can assume that it comes down from another archer, and that's how they have this form that isn't ideal for the situation, but they're doing what they know. The only other people we see knowing archery in the series are Career Tributes, who would have trained in an academy style, again probably closer to Olympic style than a hunting scenario. Let's face it, if the events that preceeded the series happened and someone who has sporting form and has never hunted is out in the woods with their bow, they're going to shoot as trained. Sometimes it will work, sometimes it won't.
Forgetting about Gale lol
@@hippo4262I’m confused by this comment but forgetting about Gale in what way? He doesn’t use a bow, Katniss taught him a bit but he’s not that good at it. His hunting technique is traps and snares, unless I’m very confused with what you’re referring to
@@clover2739 I think I was talking about the bit where they say the only other people we see knowing archery are the careers
@@hippo4262 I guess, but Gale would be easily forgotten about since we don’t really see him use a bow since that’s not his weapon
For the Lord of the Rings scene, I don’t think he realized that elves have super human strength, so it wouldn’t need to be a light poundage bow.
Also Orlando Bloom was already a competent Archer before I getting the role of Legolas Then put in a heap of time practising …. There’s some footage in the making of lord of the rings showing him hitting targets repeatedly at long distance with Bow he uses in the movies
He also tells the archers just before that to aim for the neck and under the arms
Same with the WW scene
Keep in mind, that this shot is from the top of the Helms Klam wall to the button, to stop the running orc! This explains the high elbow, because the target is 10m below!
@@DUCKYGAMINGau In a lot of shots, he's pulling back a light stunt bow and the arrows are CGI.
And the less said about surfing a shield down stone stairs, the better.
I love that this guy actually has appreciation for the fact that sometimes you need to sacrifice realism for the sake of filmmaking, and he can just let it go and enjoy the movie/show. In so many of these videos with an expert examining something, the expert just criticizes everything ruthlessly as a way to flex their knowledge, but this guy spends like 90% of the time complimenting the stuff they do right and only a small amount of time mentioning what they did wrong
I feel this guy was kinda harsh tho too. Lars Anderson was revolutionary towards archery and robin hood used his style directly consulting him and he gave it a 4 ??? And the hawkeye i get what he was saying but damn its like he didnt understand hes a superhero that never misses. But maybe im misunderstanding his critics.
@@TheGoldenCulture Probably because Lars Anderson's style is largely for trick shots with low poundage bows, which doesn't translate well for what's supposed to be a more grounded movie.
@@SamehSyedAjmal Lars Anderson was on the set of that movie and literally trained the actor how to shoot the bow that way, and what was filmed was him really putting it into practice, so it's actually even more grounded in reality than you realize, or the guy in the video above realized. Every one of his critiques of the style are problems that Lars addresses, so they are not valid criticisms at all lol.
In this instance, the expert is only an expert in his own form of archery. He even admits he doesn't know how to shoot like that, so he literally has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to that style of archery, as it is completely outside of his training and expertise.
But that's their point.
@@lazerhosen exactly what ive been trying to say. Also lars sources comes from old war books assuming it was right these techniques were used in war. And i think that qualifies it as grounded.
I must admit, I'm kinda disappointed they didn't give this guy any scenes from Arrow to comment on. That would have been really interesting because I've read that Stephen Amell put a LOT of work into his role on that show, including doing as much of his action/stunt work as possible, so I'd have loved to hear comments on how he did as an archer there
You're joking. 90% of combat scenes in arrow are guys with assault rifles acting like absolute idiots and just missing for no reason so they don't gun him down.
Agreed. This is the second one of these of watched now and neither featured Arrow...
@Chris Wings It MCU milk bottle spotted 😂😂😂😂
Yeah, I really wished they added the Green Arrow
@@Aftershock416 Like how the bad guys tried to shoot Batman in BvS but they always missed him. 🤣
It makes me so incredibly happy that my childhood favorite movie got a 10 out of 10! Pixar always does it’s research, from historical dress to hair physics!
I love that Merida gets 10/10. It's because animators visually study the heck out of whatever they are learning to animate and don't need to worry about things like actual physical ability of the actor, while the live-action directors mostly want something that looks cool on screen.
"Brave" represents what all movie crews should do - learn to represent some sort of ideas in the movies.
This scene is absolutely phenomenal.
I have like 22 maybe 23 years of experience in archery, also as a bow and arrowmaker which in time evolved to being a blacksmith. Anyway making a "Robin Hood shot" with wooden arrows is possible but to split the wooden shaft like in "Brave" there have to be some certain conditions.
Wooden arrows can be made three ways - 1. by splitting a log into finer and finer shafts and then turning them round or conical and then proceed with assembling an arrow;
2. cutting young shoots, season them in tight bundles and then making them into arrows with all the steps nescesery
3. make shafts from square wood pieces cut to dimensions (like f.e. 1/2 x 1/2 inch) by turning them through the dowel maker (which is totally modern way)
Number 1 and 2 are historically correct way of making an arrow and due to even wood grain it is actually possible to split an arrow with another arrow. Especially with no. 2 method as it behaves like a bamboo (which is another case in sucessfull splitting arrow) due to round grain crossection as it's basically an arrow made out of a young branch.
Oh, and the eastern style bamboo shelf for short arrows is called tong-ah and it roots in Korean archery. Yes, it is real.
“Aim for the moon, even if you miss, you’ll land amongst the stars.” -Bow and arrow Quote 🏹
I used to use bamboo arrows when I practised Chinese archery, I remember a couple of time when somenoe broke accidentally one arrow with another. Archery is a facinating world, thanks for sharing your knowlage, it's very interesting.
I used to shoot with a takedown bow and some recycled old wood arrows a few years ago. Managed to get a partial "Robin Hood split" myself. They always glanced off with the natural grain pattern and never got past 4 or 6 inches. So like many things it's possible but never to the extent shown in fantasy lol.
Are these Tong Ahs generally also loose and go with the hand of the archer like shown in the movie or are they more often like Jim thought fixed to the bow and stay on there?
@@dragonsword7370 that's more what I was thinking.
Yes, it's possible, but at some point you need to get lucky because the conditions required for it to split all the way down aren't only dependant on archer skill.
l love how he understands all cultures of archery. His historical and present day knowledge is on point.
Unfortunately not quite. I got skeptical when he reviewed Robin Hood and only confirmed by his review on War of the Arrows. He's unfamiliar with eastern styles of archery. Doesn't know what an overdraw device is (tong ah as seen in War of the Arrows). Probably won't know what hatra/khatra is among other techniques.
Also, it's one thing to attempt perfect accuracy in competitions and such. It's another thing in the battlefield. You're not looking to get perfect accuracy in the battlefield; archers are going for maximum output to rain down upon their enemies. So both western and eastern cultures had their forms of speed archery using longbows or reflex bows. Injuring soldiers is far more easier to do than to kill (armor unlike in movies does its job protecting the user from arrows therefore lethal hits from arrows are incredibly difficult to do even with bodkin points)
I'm not saying he's a bad reviewer. From a western style traditional archer, he's great. But he does lack some information regarding eastern style of archery.
@@mintyfresh4855 that’s true I didn’t even think of that
Absolutely
@@mintyfresh4855 an armor expert loved the movie scene where the arrows lodged in the knights armor but didn't actually hurt him any. because thats what the armor was actualy designed to do, to actually kill the fully armored knight with an arrow was next to impossible. All the other expert videos I've watched claim movies always get the use of bows wrong, they have archers being used like guns were later on, every archer waiting until every other archer is ready than all firing at once, which would mean the faster archer is going to be warn out by the time the slower ones are ready. That not how it actually worked. When they commanded the archers to attack each one would lose an arrorw when ready, reload and repeat. And they were fast. Much faster than loading early guns, which were not very accurate which is why the did fire all the muskets together, it was only way to actually hit somebody.
The only point I would make in regards to Hawkeye is that, as a comic book character, he has perfect spatial awareness, which means he can see a moving object and in his mind, track it's most likely trajectory, which means that for all intents and purposes, he can see a target behind him, unless it was Crazy Ivan-ing, of course.
One thing to Rambo: as far as I remember he had the bow disjointed for travelling. In this scene he puts it together. I don't think you can do that so easily without tools. Normally compound bows are handled with a massive press to change strings. You never take it apart for transport.
Well he is a body builder, a survivalist, and a weapons expert.
@@redrick8900 ..and in first place a ficitional movie character 🤣🤣🤣
@@ivanhajko2660 Wrong. Stop trying to look smart. You are terrible at it.
There are portable cable bow presses - but you would want to use them as a last resort (or if you were in the middle of nowhere with a disassembled bow).
@@chrisgorman1652 I even built one myself, but I never had a good feeling using it. Yes it is possible, but nothing done that fast. And a modern compound bow is not that big anyways.
The actor who played Hawkeye, Jeremy Renner, actually learned how to shoot properly with an Olympic archer before he played him. But when he got there they said that he needed to shoot the theatric movie way to look more showy.
thats lame
a superhero looking unrealistic im shocked
*Jeremy renner
Sadly I can see that being true. They were already getting “showy cash cow” with the MCU. Which is really sad. Most of the actors were really invested in their roles and wanted to add depth and research into it
Well Hawkeye is the best Archer in comics so obviously for a film like Avengers they need to film something a real archer can't do
Of course looks great on camera but in the real world it's nearly impossible do the things he do
The last movie was a Korean archer using a Tong-ha. At the time, inventions such as the Tong-ha were relatively unknown to foreign enemies, and therefore considering that Korea possessed very skilled archers and the benefits of a short arrow (Less weight, enemies can't reuse), it was said to be a national secret against invaders.
Correction: Tong-ah
Can u give movie name?
@@bbaking7483 War of Arrows
Korean call it tong ah, a piece of bamboo that can use it to shot short arrow. Turkish call it majra,persian call it navak,and roman byzantine call it solenarion. Both are the same device that shot short arrow or crossbow bolt. Which is briliant idea at the time,i discovered this from book call saracen archery.
@@muizismail4844 Yep, Koreans weren't the only ones who invented this. Other achery nations like the ones you mentioned also did.
@@muizismail4844 I've never seen this before brother. If I'm not mistaken majra means canal and navak means tunnel(Arabic). Do you know what time period this might have been used?
People have no idea how difficult all this is. I once participated in a course that took place on a meadow. We hit almost nothing. Most of the time the arrow landed in the meadow and, believe it or not, the arrows kept travelling underneath the surface of the wet meadow. So we soon were busy trying to find lost arrows and we only found most of them.
Really? Huh.. I remember being alright at it although maybe that's because I had real instructors
Over the years I've lost. Almost all of my arrows. Lmao.
@@SnapShooter1969 Difficulty is subjective. Considering years (and money) was historically spent training archers, the general opinion definitely isn't that archery is easy.
@@SnapShooter1969 it's easy to learn to shoot consistently with a light bow at 10 yards, sure. It's not easy to be accurate at 30 metres with a heavy bow however
@@SnapShooter1969 For a beginner, yes, it's much easier to draw and hold a light bow with little shaking
"Could I kill this dude running away?" is an absolute gem both in and out of context!
😂😂😂😂
12:00 Bows are classified as sporting equipment, and so are baseball bats. Both are ridiculously dangerous if used incorrectly.
*if used correctly
Now there's two kinds of people.🤣
@@Foxleaxer1981 beat me to it
Of course Kefka is the one saying this
Does that mean that you can open carry a bow and arrow in the US ?
In my country, they are totally classified as weapons.
"try no longer to be holding the string" is really what we do in traditional Japanese archery (kyudo), so I was fascinated to hear that. We don't use bare fingers for pulling the string, but a deerskin glove that has a hard notch in it, and of course the arrow goes to the right side of the bow. The bow is very simple, and usually made of bamboo; there is no shelf, just the top of the basal part of the left thumb for the arrow. The bow is held with the bare left hand and only three fingers; the index finger is free at the top. When the arrow is released the body is expanded and the bow twists within the left hand so that the string hits the back of the forearm. Difficult to describe but I am sure if anyone is interested they can find a youtube demonstration.
"try no longer to be holding the string" is also alfa and Omega of Olympic archery... even with compound when you have realese in your hand you kinda try to let it shoot itself without you.... even when you sniper you dont "pull" the trigger but you keep tension on the trigger... all the same...
There's a video of a Japanese archery competition and the winner was this girl whose name I'm not going to try and remember.
The movement from nock, draw and release was poetry in motion
I should have mentioned a few more things. First is that hitting the target is not the point of kyudo, and if the archer thinks about the target the arrow will never meet it. Second is that the bow is not held tightly, one has to think of holding an egg, and the notch of the hand between the forefinger and thumb is used to push the bow rather than hold it. There should be no grip tension. This is how the bow is able to twist in the hand and the string meet the forearm after release, because there is no actual grip on the bow. The binding of the bow is made of leather and wood ash is used to make it less slippery, and yet more slippery (this I cannot explain without actually showing, sorry). Third, the expansion of the body to pull the arrow into the release position. It is a bit like hugging a tree and is very difficult and non-intuitive. Fourth, the release of the arrow is the absolute most difficult part of kyudo. The notch in the glove that holds the string is curved, so as the body expands the glove actually twists a little until there is not enough notch to hold the string, and it releases. You will notice that when release occurs, the whole body expands and the arms come outwards so that the archer's arms are horizontal and the chest expanded, so the tension in the body is also released. The notch is thus paramount to how release occurs, and it is incredibly rude therefore to look at the notch of another archer's glove. Lastly, there is also long distance kyudo, and in a similar way to the western archery explained in the video, the arm is not raised; only after the arrow position is confirmed then the archer moves the whole upper body at the waist, so that the basic technique remains the same. Best wishes from Japan !
@@ET-cj8jo Wow thank you for commenting all of that. That was very beautifully explained. I’ve only been into archery the last few months but I love it so much. I’m going to try it your way today when I get home. I’m pretty excited
I've had a few shows with Junior bow.
I've been just slipping my fingers off...
The last one he was using a Tong-ha which used to be a Korean state secret back then. In the movie he had to use it as the arrow was broken, which was a common practice for Korean archers at the time. They'd take a broken arrow, sharpen it, and shoot it back at their enemies.
Of note, do remember that although a large body of archery falls under what is considered "western archery" and is considered "correct," there ARE other forms of archery that are very different and by no means less effective. For example, the thumb release method (also used in Korea) has little to no archer's paradox and you can shoot a whole lot more straighter. The Comanche shot with a pinch grip and to get around paradox they only cut one nock in the top limb of the bow so the string ran diagonal instead of straight. Carving a grip in the handle could make it behave almost like a center shot bow and so a Comanche could ride up within mere feet of a buffalo, fire a fully powered shot very accurately on a dime without worrying about paradox wildly affecting the shot placement so close.
"Little to no archer's paradox"
I find that highly unlikely, if not outright impossible. The archer's paradox is caused by 1) the arrow being off-center from the travel of the string to the center of the bow, and 2) the force of the released string on the rear of the arrow, inertia, and friction of the arrow against the bow causing the arrow to compress and bend under pressure, creating an oscillation in the arrow.
The only way to eliminate the archer's paradox is if there were a hole in the middle of the bow to shoot the arrow through so that it was in a straight line with the travel of the string. Even then, the force of compression would likely still cause some oscillation.
That's one thing I love about animation/art, the dedication of the artists and how thoroughly they research to portray something accurately as possible. *chef kiss* wonferful
With Hawkeye, the MCU doesn't really talk about his abilities, but he has exceptional eyesight hence his name and he may have been looking at a reflection in one of the glass skyscrapers when he made the "blind" shot.
This is from the Marvel Fandom Web site, About the Comics (Earth 616) Version
Master Archer: Barton has trained himself to become a master archer specializing in the use of regular bows, longbows, compound bows, and crossbows with near-perfect accuracy. He is capable of firing multiple arrows at a single target in a few seconds, hitting multiple targets in a few quick strokes, and directly hit small targets in the greatest of distances. Barton has even been known to hit an apple in the center of it. He practices a minimum of two hours per day to keep his skills honed.[22][8]
Peak Human Sight: Barton possesses extraordinary eyesight.[8] His eyes are more acute than normal humans.[105][106] His flawless sight allows him to perfectly aim his targets without even looking.[107]
Peak Human Condition: Clint's body functions at the peak levels of an athlete, with exceptional strength, endurance, speed, and stamina.[22]
Peak Human Strength: Clint's physical strength are in peak human levels.[31] He demonstrated the strength to pull his 250 lb. bow with ease.[31]
While This Is What they have on the MCU (Earth 199999)
Abilities
Extreme Targeting: He possesses an intuitive aptitude for targeting that is reflected highly in his ability to hit distant targets, and is also useful in identifying and tracking one target among many.
Marksmanship: Clinton Barton is a skilled marksman with an exceptional ability in archery. His aim is such that he is able to send an arrow into a moving targets with pin point accuracy. He is versatile with the kinds of missile weapons he employs, and possesses an exceptional accuracy with thrown darts. He has also stated that he scored eighteen holes-in-one while playing golf.
I don't buy that he saw it in a mirror like effect. He "heard" it and could pinpoint exactly where it was. It was made to just look cool on the screen.
or he may even just heard
Still not realistic but i get your point. Super Hero movies aren't realistic. You won't get Flash speed by smelling some chemicals, of get the strength of a spider from a bite from a radioactive spider.
@@musehivision1864 Dang it. Time to put down my tank of irradiated arachnids...
Regarding the Hawkeye scene in Avengers, two things. I had never noticed before but he's actually looking into a mirrrored glass skyscraper across the street when he takes the blind shot. The audience can't see it, but he can actually see the reflection of his target there. Also, Hawkeye is a magical superhero who never misses at anything, so Magic.
On the Legolas scene at Helm's Deep, Legolas consistently fires Bodkin tips which is the right choice for piercing armor. It looks like he's firing copper tips though which is a bit weird, but it's maybe some fantasy metal instead.
The whole thing about Hawkeye is that he doesn't have magic. He is just a highly skilled assassin like Black widow. But yeah he does use some technologically enhanced trick arrows.
Hawkeye doesn’t have magic
Hawkeye isn’t even magical
Hawkeye no magical
no mage hawk guy
Glad Brave got perfect marks. Sure, not a perfect movie, but Very well animated, voiced, acted, writen, paced, and researched, and a fantastic look into Scottish history/folklore.
This is so exciting! I'm a traditional archer. I've been shooting since I was old enough to hold a bow. I started on recurve until I was about 10 when I got my first compound bow and then I went back to traditional archery when I was in my late teens. Now at 40 I've been shooting traditional archery for over 20 years. After this many years I'm still at a 65 lb bow and I know that sounds heavy but I hunt and I never want my shots to go to waste. There are a lot of longbow and recurve bows that still use sites and that's perfectly fine. I shoot instinctually so I don't use any sites but it's like throwing a baseball. When you throw a baseball, you don't aim down your arm and hope to hit the target. Your body just knows how to aim for the target. I don't know about a lot of people, but I learned how to shoot traditional with both eyes open. I know that's very common but with compound bow it's such a different monster to deal with... It's kind of funny because one of my favorite bows that I use is a timber ridge takedown recurve that's only 40 lb. My favorite bow to shoot is 65 lb Mongolian horse bow.
For Hawkeye's backwards over-the-shoulder shot, I had always assumed he was tracking the target's reflection in the glass of a skyscraper in front of him.
And they did show him picking up spent arrows out of bodies earlier in the scene.
I think the goal of that clip was to show he was so good he didn't even need to look at a target to hit it(we could argue that he heard the target and could pinpoint exactly where it was). It's usually the most simple explanation being the correct one. You see it in movies all the time, exaggerating things because it just *looks* cool on the screen.
@@huldu kinda like a superhero
@@huldu Exactly. Hawkeye's superpower is accuracy. he is mutant,just doesnt know it.
@@MsKeylas Or, if you go by this one scene from the comics, the dude is always practicing almost nonstop. He was explaining to Spiderman that he can't ever stop because, unlike all the other Avengers with superpowers and abilities, he's just a guy who is very accurate with a bow and arrow. In his own (paraphrased) words, if he misses he becomes just another guy who can shoot arrows. He NEEDS to practice so that he NEVER misses.
@@Profile__1 another good point
The hawkeye shot where he doesn't look, he's actually using the reflections from surrounding buildings, so basically using a mirror like you said
I also think that Hawkeye may have seen the Chitauri Chariot from far away ( "I see better from a distance."), did some mental calculations based on the speed of the target, and figured out how long it would take for the target to come into range in order to make accurate shot.
In other words, by collecting data ( flight patterns, approximate speed, etc.), Hawkeye could easily make a highly educated guess as to where the Chitauri where going to be when he made his shot.
@@jonathangreenlees4772 "easily".....
@@jonathangreenlees4772 thats exactly what i thought he either saw it before or just sideaways and calculate the travel , something ridiculoussly hard but not impossible although about the shooting form im not sure
@@roopskee17 Well, at some point one has to assume that super heroes do have super powers. For example, I didn't understand all the explanations, but the Amazon are super-humanly strong. Even a “normal” one, m who isn’t a demi-god like Diana, can easily catch a falling pole that would crush a baseline human. I assume that this this would totally influence how they build and use bows.
@@peterbruells28 the funny thing was the expert is comparing to real life, so amazons being fictitious literally falls outside of the scope in which this video is operating.
WOW! 10/10 for Brave, the animators nailed it, expert give high score just like other Disney films reviewed here.
Brave actually is a 10/10. Disney can suck it, but Brave is far superior!
The point he makes at 8:36 is the same as why you're told to "squeeze, don't pull" when an instructor at a gun range teaches firing a gun as well, every move your muscles make might influence where you're pointing the gun, or in this case, a bow and arrow. Interesting how a cartoon movie is more accurate than most live action productions.
As a traditional archer and bowyer, it's so relieving to finally see and listen to an archer expert that actually knows what they're talking about! Thank you Griz! Can't tell you how many times I've stopped a video because the expert says someone's "shooting off the wrong side of the bow."
How do you get involved in archery as an adult. The only time I ever shot an arrow was when I did archery in summer camp as a kid. I think I was 10. I think I was ok at it actually
@@SE-gs6gd I'd recommend finding a local club. There are different kinds too. Traditional archery, Olympic archery, hunting, etc. Talk to some people before you buy anything. The last thing you want to do is spend a lot of money on something you end up not liking. Making contacts and asking if there's different bows you can try out is very helpful. Even if you figure out what you want and there's no club that matches it, doesn't hurt to know the people there. I'm a traditional archer, I shoot only bows I've made that are primitive. I don't really hunt anymore and most of my shooting is stump shooting. Yet I have friends who hunt with compounds and friends who are big into Olympic recurve.
@@ainesherlock9448 thanks!
@@SE-gs6gd I started as an adult! Really how I started was watching a lot of CZcams videos of respected guys like this and reading some stuff off reddit. Once I felt somewhat confident and thought I could have a decent conversation with an expert I went to a local club and they helped me the rest of the way.
@@PlaygroundTactix I'm gonna look into it. Thx for all the advice
Orlando Bloom in his role as Legolas trained for months and there's a few videos of his excellent shooting prowess on youtube. He could shoot absurdly well and very quickly, and the bow he used in the movie was not a prop. His stancing was his own personal style, and proved exceptionally accurate. So despite him not using "proper form" according to Jim, I disagree strongly about his rating as a fellow archer who had been shooting for 12-15 years with a similar bow to the one used by the character in question. Each person has their own form and positioning. Not to mention that during that scene Legolas had been shooting arrows continuously for several hours as well as fighting with his blades, and as such must have been significantly tired. As such, he would likely attempt to alleviate this fatigue and maximize his chance of hitting at such a long range by doing a draw that requires less effort to hold back (with his arm slightly farther back and up, to use his shoulder and upper arm to brace the shot and aim with less energy). The fact that Wonder Woman's scenes got a higher rating is almost laughable. lol
And not to mention... "We're going to see the Elves!" They are Elves and its been argued over and over again about their archery prowess and that they are strong, have better eyesight and reaction times compared to humans.
part of it is the angle of the camera and how many times they tried. if they shoot 200 times this scene. you can bet the editors will take the best looking shoot and not the most accurate shot
Maybe because they are doing things that he can't , and that's why he low scores lol
So we have some Lord of the Rings fans I 👀.
@@Cacophony314 these comments are making me 😆
As a regular follower I'm enjoying your commentaries on archery in the movies, just glad to see you out there doing what you love.
It’s kind of fun to see that I did a lot of things right when I was learning archery. There were definitely mistakes and weird kinks in my technique I now know about, but I think I did alright for learning from descriptions in a fiction book. Learning a skill pre-CZcams could be a real trip.
Hawkeye's whole shtick is that he's has inhuman ability to be able to either calculate or something for shots that NEVER miss. So it does make sense he's able to do what he does, with the context of comic canon.
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Oh so Hawkeye IS superhuman... it's just that he looks normal compared to all the other avengers
@@Kaiwala He's not supposed to be a superhuman. He's just extremely talented.
he just a hot mess🤣 as character i mean
@@Kaiwala nope, not superhuman but insanely skilled and talented
Interesting that there are no scenes from arguably the longest running show about an archer in recent memory, Arrow on the CW. While like Hawkeye it may tend towards fantasy more, it also had more characters that were archers than any similar TV show.
Yep that's what I thought.
I had to come here after watching to make sure someone else noticed that was missing
This video is about traditional archery and Arrow is using compound bow. Yes it does look like recurve but it is Oneida Kestrel compound bow
@@ObelixCMM If that's the reason, why include Rambo?
I know right! I was hoping that would be in here. Love that show lol
Really well presented. Lots of relearning here. I used to be an archer. But didn't stayed in one place long enough to keep up the sport continuously. Never lost my touch when revisiting though. But defo got weaker not practicing. Thanks for the talk. Love Brave. Great film.
The broadhead that is spraypainted case is called the Razorback 5, it's a spinning bleeder type arrow head that had that case on it. My dad was a deer hunter and used them. I recognized them immediately 🤣
I love that all the war and battle experts (generalized) have given the GoT long-range archery scene a very low score, where the archer expert is like, "Naw, seems legit, also his bow is suited to the task." Put 'em in a room together, I wanna see 'em fight it out. :D
A long room.... with bows. :)
Thats the difference. He uses bows and practise with them and know there are different types and styles that offer different effects and stuff. The battle experts etc for the most part are guys who only read about those things in documents and believe what ever is writen to be the hard truth and dont give much credit for inovation.But hey GoT battles were a mess all around , not a single one had actual good tactics they were only for aestetics. I like that the Rickon scene gets credit for being possible cuz of the bow and archery style used by Ramzay.
Those movies never have crops or proper siege tactics
While its possible, the criticism isn't usually the equipment, its how he lands the shot after missing a ton of times at close range.
When you are missing at close range and the target is gaining distance while you still haven't zeroed in on the target, it makes hitting the target at greater distances laughably hard.
The perfect analogy (for some gun shooters) is the following: imagine shooting an AR-15 with base iron sights and missing at 100 yards. You get a small sense of where you should shoot for the next shot but surprise, I moved the target back to 250 yards. You shoot again and you miss. Not a surprise, its further out so your frame of reference for landing the shot at 100y is now moot. So you wanna try again. Surprise again... now its 500 yards.
Ramsay hitting that shot is the equivalent of you missing all those shots and then by some divine luck hitting a 1000 yard shot in a single try. Possible? Sure? Likely? No.
@@user-cr4cj1fl8z Battle of Kingslanding had some good tactics I thought (feel free to correct me), but I agree especially the later on seasons (after 4) you could clearly tell the battles were to be more cinematic than strategic, which was enjoyable for most of them IMO the only one that sacrificed way too much strategy to the point it felt so unrealistic I couldn't even enjoy was the last one with the white walkers.
In Hawkeye's defense on the no look shot: You mentioned a trick shot in the mirror. Hawkeye is standing on the top of a building in New York. His superpower is supposedly superhuman eyesight, reflexes, and spatial awareness. I think it's totally plausible he used the window of a building as the mirror to pull off that shot.
I haven't rewatched that scene to see if there is an off camera building, but if there is, I would reason that's how he did it.
Exactly what I was thinking, Clint could 100% do a mirror shot ;)
I’m an archer and no, the mirror would have to be lined up in a very specific way like the mirror, you and the target would have to be in a straight line, I don’t know how to explain my English is not good, but it is not realistic
@@luiscontreras767 It's a superhero movie. When did they ever let realism limit their heroes? That scene has one single reason to exists and it's to cement just how superhuman Clint's spatial awareness is. He's seen the target and extrapolated it's trajectory and to place the arrow where the target will be he doesn't even have to see it. It's as unreal as just about everything else in that movie, but given the setting it did it's job. It's a bit like what is often called instinctive shooting which you can learn, but will never be as accurate as using regular sight systems. It does however make for some great scenes in movies. Remember all those cowboy movies where the revolver men will draw and shoot from the hip and always hit just what they are aiming for, being it a coin, a candle, a gun or the heart of the bad guy? While not totally impossible for a single shot the show of repeatable perfect accuracy is so bogus.
Also Hawkeye goes back and collects as many arrow shafts as he can after shooting them. That’s why he always seems to have unlimited arrows.
@@luiscontreras767 So, you claim to have the super senses and reflexes of Hawkeye? That'd be a big claim. There could have been multiple buildings, or one at just the right angle, etc. All I'm saying is it is plausible.
my mom and stepdad have been using compound bows for years and they got me one when i was 15 and after about a year I eventually sold it and got a recurve since i liked shooting the bow but I hated using a release and having to rely on a fancy sight so when I got the recurve it was really nice to just learn to basically eyeball where I'm aiming and hit far more accurately than trying to decipher what color pin on the sight was the right distance or whatever else in the short time i had to draw the bow without wasting my arm strength
I love this video! Watching it was actually the last push I needed to start archery. I bought everything and started February! I am in love with the sport!
Something he doesn't point out but is a super good detail from the animators at pixar in the Brave shot. You can see merida's grip as she starts the shot is all held in the web of her hand, small detail but shows the footwork they did in studying and getting reference for the shot, it's something alot of the live action shots even miss.
She is kind of over gripping the bow. You really only need the meat of the base of the thumb to be in contact with the grip.
from what I heard a while back, Brave animators actually consulted expert traditional archers to get all the little details correct.
@@adammathers4879 yeah but it’s not terrible I shoot similar to that. But with a Compound because I hunt mule deer.
Grizzly Jim: "See I'd be zigging and zagging"
Whole GOT fandom: "Yeah, that's what we said." -__-
underrated comment
The best movie about archery is War of the Arrows. Koreans take archery seriously because they have been known for thousands of years as expert archers. The scene you described about wounding the other person is because he was being chased by another group of archers. Basically was a trap to reveal where the other guys were. When you watch the scene further, you see that someone falls for the trap and tries to pull him into cover which reveals the positions of others.
This archer is so instructive, what a pleasure to watch.
0:28 Scene from "Game of Thrones" S6E9 (2016) 9/10
2:20 Scene from "Rambo III" (1988) 8/10
4:15 Scene from "Hawkeye" S1E1 (2021) 5/10
5:50 Scene from "Wonder Woman" (2017) 5/10
7:44 Scene from "Brave" (2012) 10/10
9:51 Scene from "The Avengers" (2012) 4/10
11:34 Scene from "Robin Hood" (2018) 4/10
14:23 Scene from "The Hunger Games" (2012) 7/10
17:26 Scene from "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" (2002) 4/10
18:18 Scene from "War of the Arrows" (2011) 9/10
Coolios
No Green Arrow 😢 you have failed this video
@@DJ11213 facts
@@DJ11213 cringe
Brave scored a 10/10, another score on the team who worked years to hope precisely present everything realistic of the film
I know nothing about archery. But his enthousiasm and knowledge of it is a joy to watch.
I feel like you were being "nice" or "gentle" with the ratings for one reason or another. Your explanations are amazing and appreciated :)
I love the way that scene from brave just exudes sheer confidence of like “Look how amazing our archery is. Get on out level.”
One of my favorite little fun facts in history is that archeologists that have found grave sites of medieval battlefields were able to identify the skeletons of the archers by the greater bone density in the upper torso which signified greater muscle mass in the muscle groups most commonly used in archery.
That's so cool! Do you mind sharing the source? The fact that you can change you body by what you do it's just amazing to me!! And I love that fact, thanks for sharing it!!
@@francescafrancesca3554 Do not go too much with it if you do not want to look like body builder instead of Wonder Woman :D And only in with your upper body, what can bring a bit of unbalance for "figure"... One of my friends had to come back down to lighter bow - in the morning she pulled up her hair in front of mirror and noticed her muscles... She screamed and then never went over 18kg with bow...
Way to be gross. Shut up dude. Let people do what they want with their own body. Women don't exist for the male gaze.
@@classicambo9781 say that to biology
@@classicambo9781 If it was answer to me... I'm the woman and archer in one, so it would be totally funny and out of whole target and few meters away, not only bullseye :P At least according all female archers I ever met and know, with that result you wouldn't be pretty even for your own gaze... But if you want look like half transformed Hulk from cartoons (what is the effect if you won't take care of your lower half - but it's not the archery), why not? Your body, your look, not my monkeys, not my circus. But first you should to know what are you talking about to talk about it at all :D
Really enjoy Grizzly Jim talking to the camera. He really makes you feel like it's a conversation with a friend, about a subject he truly understands.
Nice video. Go Merida.
You only really pivot your body up for 80+ yards, but you do still kind of raise your arm. At shorter distances you do just make small adjustments up or down with your arm.
I think Legolas's shooting elbow was only high because he was shooting from a battlement. so he was shooting at target lower than him.
Lighter arrows don't necessarily go further either. A lot of people seem think lighter arrows go further than heavier arrows. An arrow with a heavier arrow head is going to go further than an arrow with a lighter head.
This was one of the better episodes of this. Guy was really knowledgeable and did a great job adding tid-bits of info not just "this was good, this was bad". Have this guy again.
I thought a nice little touch in "Brave" is when she took that last shot, as she releases the arrow the fletch puts a little scrape on her cheek as the arrow leaves the string. I thought that was great attention to a minor detail, added some realism to the character.
The archery scene of Brave just gave me goosebumps 🤩🤩🤩🤩
I haven't watched it yet, but it impressed me quite a lot.
Will definitely watch it soon! 🤩🤩
this is amazing! please do more on archery. i enjoy watching it
The one thing that pissed me off in Hawkeye, the whole bell tower falling because of an arrow. If it fell because of that, it was structurally not sound and she did them a favor. It should have been fixed long ago as it was a danger to the public.
YEAH! The local parson ought to have had at least the occasional inspection done!
Don't let that lady anywhere near Pisa, I have a bad feeling.
Of course it's not structurally sound, that's why they don't ring the bell anymore. In many bell towers today they have installed a speaker system to do the bells job as they can't be rung anymore due to concern over damages and many are considered historically significant, which they then used in the show as a joke.
@@recreationxx yeah, but really that easy to bring down? It should have been destroyed already if it was that fragile. She did them a favor.
@blessings watch endgame
Nice to see a Western archer give Eastern archery its props and not wave his hands dismissively.
So true, I bet those other western archers would get a lesson from eastern archers since some of those archery like Kyūdō is Japanese archery martial arts that is far superior than todays since they use traditional bow and now attachments to make them cheat
@@Jeffro5564 From the ancient Scythians through to the Mongols and Tatars that style of archery replaced whatever was there wherever it went from Korea to Persia to Hungary.
That was Mongolian archery at the end of that movie there.
@@Jeffro5564 Absolute cringe... "Superior"? No. It's just different. There are plenty of western trad shooters out there too, they aren't superior either. I use a recurve with no attachments and shoot off the shelf myself, that's the style I enjoy, if others want to use compound bows or counter weights, rests, sights or whatever else than that is fine. No choice in style is superior, especially not because it's "traditional". Mad daft.
yuppp, honestly if it works it works
this makes me really want to do archery again :0
it's so neat and this is making me think of a lot more techniques and such
Wow got hooked up on a video i knew anything i kew about and left amazed such a great guy explaining everything
18:24 that bamboo guide is from Korean archery and is called a tongah and is used to fire those short arrows called aegisal or pyeonjeon. They were used for the reasons stated but also because without the tongah they were useless for enemy archers and couldnt be fired back, similar to the the Roman pilum and the wax mounted arrowheads of Europe
You know, maybe Hawkeye has gotten a bad rap this whole time, "he's just an archer." He is a superhero. No regular person could shoot like him. Hyper spatial awareness and body kinematics expertise lets him do impossible shots.
Yeah, Thor isn't realistic either.
My one thought with Hawkeye was that he might have been using the windows of a building to do a mirror trick shot.
@@gullinvarg like the line he said on an earlier scene to Fury, "I see better from a distance" or something like that.
Not only with bows, also with firearms, and all kinds of projectiles
@@happyvirus6590 And the guy shot 18 in a round of golf.
The Robin hood movie was actually heavily aided by Lars Anderson which was why i was Really interested in watching it, the purpose of the shooting style was supposed to be Urban combat, therefore Precision wasn't absolutely Key since your targets would be really close, and as robin was a masterful English Longbowmen before his training, He already had accuracy and precision when he needed it, He was training for speed in that montage
yesss
That film was so crap I walked out.
Speed? 10-15 per min on a long bow 50-80lb is achievable. 80-150lb 8-10 per min. How much faster do you need to shoot?
@@geoffboxell9301 much faster, like 3 arrows in 1 1/2 seconds fast, which is what Saracen archers trained to be capable of consistently
@@fitzchivalry728 an arrow every half second?: yeh right and pigs may fly.
I did archery very casually during my teen years and never knew the terms for what was happening, just that it happened. This guy was awesome
The last movie with the Korean archer is from a fantastic movie called War of the Arrows and he shot that guy in the leg to use him as bait for the guy's allies. I highly recommend watching it.
I wanted to see him comment on the curving of the path of the shot though
I loved the curved shots in that film! Was hoping they would talk about the realism of those scenes
@@0MrFreckles0 he doesnt talk about it because he isnt knowledgeable in that area. But curving the arrow is real. For simplicity's sake watch Lars Anderson do it. Like him or not, he is able to do it.
@@anwarkhan1818 lars Anderson can curve arrows.
@@BestMods168 wow thanks! Didn't know
As a former recurve archer (or olympic bow) I really enjoyed watching this. This guy sure knows what he is talking about and I agree on most of it. Each archer has a custom bow and no one has exact the same equipment. Carbon arrows can indeed be 'Robin Hooded' as I have seen so myself. I shot at 25 meters and got 3 bronze medals from national championship, so it's nice to see this kind of video's.
@@stephenjones7090 The problem with experts is they only know their way
@@stephenjones7090 The point he made though was that Robin had just been told for the first time to switch and he immediately got better by switching. It takes time to get used to doing something the opposite to how you have been always doing it, even if the technique works better that way.
Youngtusk. As a total non archer I have often wondered why no one seems to attach the flight feathers in a spiral to put spin on the arrow. Would this be of any benefit, or would it not work? I'd love someone to explain this to a total novice.
@@stephenjones7090 Haven't seen Robin Hood yet. So I cannot have a opinion about that show. But most archers are only left or right handed and cannot shoot both ways. If you can, that is a rare thing especially on a horse!
@@keithparker5103 The thing you have to consider is the part when the arrow leaves the bow. If you put the feathers wrong, it can drastically change the flight path of the arrow. Arrows mostly don't spin in the air, they wobble in a wave pattern. Look it up in slow motion arrow clips on CZcams. You don't want your arrow to go spinning because it only strays from target. Especially if you are shooting at 70 or 90 meters! Only in Hollywood movies you see a close-up of arrows spinning for drastic effects. Just like shooting flaming arrows. That's only done in movies and totally useless.
Can't believe that the most realistic shots came from an animation. Good job Pixar.
Animation is better than live action
I am so happy to see War of the Arrows mentioned. Love that movie.
I haven't even watched this yet but feel the urge to express how thrilled I am to see Grizzly Jim doing this - I clicked immediately once I saw the thumbnail, I really love this guy and his videos.
Thank you 😊
HE RESPONDED AHHH
Who's that?
@@ArcheryAdventures Hey, thanks for responding! Made my day a little brighter. 😄
Based Grizzly Jim 👑
Hope to see a part 2 that included some scenes from "Arrow" and "Smallville". This guy was so cool to watch!
Smallville? I wasn't really all that into the series but I watched a lot of it. Don't particularly remember any archery being in it. Care to give some pointers on when, where and whom was involved?
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Smallville had a much more comic accurate Green Arrow (although I personally like the darker Arrowverse version). If I remember correctly he does use the crossbow more often, but there are scenes of him shooting with a bow.
@@caitlynskiff2001 Ah thank you. Either I missed those episodes or it, like most of the series, slipped my mind.
@@caitlynskiff2001 yeah, recently finished watching Season 10 (and been going through it all over again), and Oliver, in Smallville, alternated between a crossbow and traditional bow and arrow, throughout the show. If I'm not mistaken, he even taught Mia how to shoot. I remember him teaching Chloe how to shoot...
I wonder, with Arrow, if the water hitting exercise was "accurate", or any good. It's from Season 2, when Oliver was on Lian Yu, and Shado was training him, while they were with Slade. Oliver, in present day, then passes on the training to Roy, later on in Season 2, after Roy had been injected with Mirakuru. In fact, it would be cool if the expert guy (forgot his name) could review Oliver's training session with Helena when he's shooting at tennis balls.
@@marsjokes I also would like to know of the practicing shooting with tennis balls would be a good way to practice.
Love this guy's explanations and passion. I've been interested in trying traditional archery for a long time but all I could find where I live is modern :/
Feel like the Lord of the Rings one is a bit hard to judge. He was shooting down from a very high wall which given your explanation of tilting your body to adjust would explain a high elbow, and elves are a lot stronger than humans so the draw strength on their bows is probably larger than you'd think
He's also using a mythical bow handed to him by the Elven King. I wouldnt be surpised if it had like 200lbs on that thing, and as a Tolkien Elf that wouldnt be anything for him.
In 'War of the Arrows' he was actually using an enemy broken arrow, and when drawing the arrow it was short so the pointy end was just hanging, he split half a bamboo and used that as a guide for a full length of pull.
Improvise, adapt, overcome
there was also a tactic to shoot shorter arrows that way for a simple reason: if the enemy didn't have the same simple contraption, the arrows you flung towards them couldn't be reused against you.
Knocking arrows out of the air doesn't always work. We had a game where people were fighting with foamed pipe swords and someone brought a homemade bow and tennis ball arrows. Large shields and armor weren't allowed so the bow ended up being *very* difficult to approach without getting owned. People started opting for more maneuverable weapons and they did hit arrows with them, but most of the time, it would either halfway snap the shaft or damage the flights, and you'd still get hit, it would just be a lot less comfortable.
It didn't help that the Archer decided to climb a tree and shoot from on top of it...
Archer knew what (s)he was doing. :)
it helped... the archer. And it's safe to assume that helping himself is the archer's goal.
that sounds so fun. i wanna play combat with toy bows
Actually watched a movie yesterday where the guy did hit the arrow and it went down into his leg. It certainly saved his life, but in no way is it a perfect solution to be shot at with arrows.
Yo can I join? Sounds rad
I’m a competitive shooter (firearms as well as archery) and I very much enjoyed this critique. I’m definitely NOT an expert, but I do know enough to know that he’s bang on with everything he said & it drives me absolutely batty how utterly wrong so many films are when it comes to both, particularly archery.
And yeah…getting a bite from your string freaking smarts! (Learned that little tidbit early on, lol). An arm guard is a definite must for me, as I have a genetic disease called “EDS” (Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, type H), which causes me to have have hyper-mobile joints…which meant I had to learn special ways to hold my arm when drawing a bow. Even now I still receive the occasional bite, so thank goodness for arm guards! 🙌
I can confirm on the 7:00 part.
String burns hurt! That is also the reason many archers would wear braces. Just in case the string slaps the wrist.
I respect how nice and forgiven he is. Especially with some of those examples that made him die on the inside.
It kinda warms my heart whenever movies go out of their way to get it right
I always adore how those good in archery always praises Brave cos they did that archery scene well! ❤
The Robin Hooding thing is extremely fortuitous.
With modern arrows, it often happens that you just have the latter arrow break the butt of the former and it deviates completely out of target.
If it sticks, you make a really long single arrow with double plumage XD
That's really it, no splitting an arrow down the middle.