Should Muslims Believe In Evolution? | Subboor Ahmad
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@USA USA Of course no one created Allah. Allah is alkhaliq not 'iinsha'
Serious Question: An-Nisa /1: O men! Fear your Lord Who created you from a single being and out of it created its mate; and out of the two spread many men and women.1 Fear Allah in Whose name you plead for rights, and heed the ties of kinship. Surely, Allah is ever watchful over you.
Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi /
This is saying CREATED YOU FROM A SINGLE BEING (some say single being, some say person, soul, living being ....) Well I wonder what is the exact word for it and the meaning of it? And if it can be say a single being, is it too much the describe this being as a Single-Celled Creatures?? And we also know that single celled creatures in time divide(dont know how to sat it??) to
multicellular organisms as described in the surah An-Nisa ?? So Quran may suggest evolution ????
@HomoTriSapien the conclusion being life started by chance?
Allah is 1 & made us needy pairs! (Quran 112 :1 & 36 :36). Re: life tree evolution.
1. how did asexual become sexual if there isn't a Creator God? &
2. even before how did no 1 cell organism become dual celled? (no mechanism!)
3. Why's Dna & Rna co-op languages if no distinct Creator? this evolution is false!
bonus :
4. Why are quarks made in pairs...
5. why is matter made in pairs (anti matter)
these are the questions that prove life or the universe doesn't make itself up or from tree of life evolution, but intelligence creates separate parts for life,
there are 3 types of evolution, with ambiguous terms deception is pushed, only 2 are science. micro evolution like change w/ no genetic structural change is ok, like a red haired person kid being blond. macro is ok like dogs interbreeding, but tree of life evolution, all life is from 1 cell, is fake & is where the main conflict comes from!
Beliefs of Atheist:
• Nothing produces everything.
• Non-life produces life.
• Randomness produces fine-tuning.
• Chaos produces information.
• Unconsciousness produces consciousness.
• Non-reason produces reason.
Many scientists are funded to lie like monsanto so we have to look at the clear science evidences! funding scientists to hide this and push atheism & evolution for agendas like colonies or insecure material tribal marxism to fill the moral vacuum with tyranny won't change clear facts of a Creator Who will judge us.
and He sent Prophets peace and blessings on them to guide and civilize man as atheists built no civilizations and Islam is the preserved faith all other point to. Humanity and science in whole prove God is 1 & Islam a true balance despite any person's flaws! Read Quran and pray Allah guides you. Listen to Khutbah Hajjah
@Zahra Q if thats the guy from yaqin he doesn't seem to know Islam or science... so don't recommend him.
in Islam humans are only with humans as Surah Rum says and he mixed in micro and macro evolution with tree of life evolution. I hope he didn't error on Islam compromising it with his error in science, Islam comes first, in this case Subuur was right in his approach but clearly invetigatively at a base science level I presented the answers, evolution with regards to tree of life is wrong!
but i do thank you for at least giving a short video to check out and save time.
I am seeing the atheist missionries entered the comment section just to degrade such hounerable conversation. They want to prove him wrong just by changing and deviating terminologies. And not getting the intellectual points Saboor raised .
If all the people around you are telling you that you are wrong, over and over again, than you are very likely wrong and should ask yourself, if it wouldn't make sense to think again.
Oh wait, i just heared religious people always only surround themselves with other religious people so their believes aren't challengend. Sorry, should have known that considering where i am.
just because something is honorable doesn't make it true.
Those aren't intellectual points but a stupid arguments . I can easily debunk his points.
@@Eglehnator islam is challenged by what please ? by theories ? 😂
get lost dude
Lmao You're acting like atheists are religious. They don't need to send "missionries". Missionaries are for the religious folks.
As a scientist, i can confirm science is not static, but as a Muslim, i can confirm that the Quran is Allahs word and is unchangable.
Then you are not scientists man evolution has more proof than your god Allah
As a scientist can you see clearly how flawed Islam is!?!? Sheesh
@@user-os8su5td7e ok name one flaw
actually humans are flawed but god isn't therefore Islam which is the only true religion is NOT flawed, no mistakes, nothing false, everything in it makes sense unlike other theories, religions and science.@@user-os8su5td7e
As a scientist, assuming that you have basic knowledge of science, I hope you know that the quran and some authentic hadiths are wrong on embryology.
Too many straw man arguments. First of all, the title of the video is meaningless.
When it comes to evolution, there's no "belief" involved. It is a model that describes empirical facts/observations. You can either accept the model or reject the model. If you can gather more data, the model may need to be revised to reflect new observations.
To say "I believe in evolution" or "I don't believe in evolution" is to make science into theology. Science is not about beliefs, it's about hard data and inferences made from that data.
I think it's a bit pointless for us Muslims (alhamdulillah I am muslim even though my youtube name is Joe Bloggs, just for anonymity) to discuss this topic on the basis of belief/lack of belief.
Also, it's pointless and a waste of time to dismiss the theory of evolution from theology alone. The only scientifically credible way to dismiss the theory of evolution is to offer an alternative model to evolution that can explain all observed and logically inferred hard facts with regards to evolution. A model that can explains the fossils, genetics, anatomy etc. A model that can be tested, used to make predictions and that can be falsified. Only then, will we Muslim make any inroads into defeating the current model.
I don't "believe" in evolution as an article of faith or as the absolute truth, but I accept that the current model as the best explanation of observed facts but as Muslims, we need to do our research and find an alternative model.
Unfortunately, this is very difficult at the moment due to immense lack of investment into scientific research from Muslim countries - most are too poor and have other pressing issues, some are too corrupt, and the ones that are rich (i.e. gulf), can't be bothered and don't have the free and open society that allows for free thinking. It is a very tough situation to get out of.
What's more, we have scholars and preachers who are not really trained in the natural sciences, they speak freely on this matter and throw Muslim scientists out of the fold of Islam who accept evolution -- all based on THEIR interpretation of the primary Islamic sources. This is dangerous. If scholars and preachers haven't studied biology at an academic level, they are not qualified to speak with authority on this matter -- they should just say " I don't know" .
Very nicely said
@Ninja FEESE Are you just looking for someone to give you talking points about what flaws there are about evolution to bring up in a debate?
If everybody could think like you... There would be no issue among atheists and muslims vis-a-vis evolution if muslims could acquiesce that you don't "believe in" evolution, or general relativity, or germ theory, or quantum physics. These are models of reality that emerge from the conscensus of unfathomable amounts of data and built on mountains of stress tested & confirmed hypotheses.
If alternate models to established ones were put forward that have equivalent explanative and predictive power like string theory or multiverse theory, and similar theories came forward from the muslim world, than that would be a legitimate, candidates to scientific theories. However, unless these models have no empirical inconsistencies, and demonstrate to be consistent with objective, empirical evidence, than they remain cute candidates for theories but remain just that: candidates. Which is why string theory and multi-verse theory remain candidates.
@Ninja FEESE fossils are just one of the evidence. Genetics provides other set of evidences. Some speciation have been observed and recorded in some finches etc. So it's a combination of all these.
“Only than, will we muslims make any inroads into defeating the current model.”
Why would muslims want to “defeat the current model?” Why not accept it for what it is. The theory of evolution which is a explanation of the evidences at hand is not and was not compiled to defeat any faith. Rather it is an explanation of evidences without any constraints and hindrances forced upon it by the yoke of religion. It’s biggest strong point is that it was and is compiled using our physical sensory abilities and does not rely on subjective claims etc.. It inadvertently negated religious theories of Adam and Eve etc...
Muslims should join and engage with the mainstream scientific community but without the presuppositional belief of “Allah exists we know it and you don’t.”
A scientific theory is not a belief which one can casually “believe” in or not. That outlook will degrade a theory to the realm of religion and superstition. Rather a scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be tested using observations etc...
The advantage of science is that it can be changed when new facts are discovered that contradict the previous theory.
What we thought, for example, 50 years ago has changed and what we think we know today can be change tomorrow. Science is constantly evolving(nothing is written in stones).
And that’s the beauty of it my friends.
Plus the fact that it builds on the sum total of human knowledge with every step of that documented and tested.
To have the science level of thinking means to have actual knowledge. You only have the ignorant managerial level of 'thinking', being caught up in the world of phenomena.
@@rajarsi6438 Stringing random words together to make a sentence that makes no sense shows how confused you are.
@@byteme9718 Ah, my simple, clear and valid info is already too difficult for you to understand. Well, bad luck for you, ignorant whiner.
@Kuffar Legion Actual knowledge correct information and is independent. The principle of 'evidence' may be put forward to try to convince others of it.
Something else, given the statements you've made your intellect is clearly failing you (completely).
Belief is not required as evolution is already a proven fact. Small changes in DNA over long periods of time as well as environmental influences can and will dictate what happens to a species down the line.
Rejecting evolution is like rejecting gravity. It’s a fact of life.
Lol
Ape to human theory?
Not proven fact
@@yasararafatha3139 Humans are apes like it or not.
@@yasararafatha3139 that's your answer? 😂.... The ape to man theory has been debunked by contemporary and modern evolutionary scholars themselves...what r u on about?
@@Arthelos117 he literally just said that
@@gintokisakata3703 my reply was to the person above extrapolating from the OPs comments that he's talking about ape to man theory...
Environmental changes(epigenetics) and changes in DNA (random mutation) have no exclusively relation to ape to man theory... Which is why his answer to OPs comment being "lol ape to man theory" Is dumb since a) the OP didn't even hint at that theory and b) people who r even moderately educated on evolution don't reference ape to man theory as a proof to the entire concept of evolution
Hope this makes it clear
'They[scientists] believe with certainty that the universe was eternal'
This is false, scientists dont believe anything with certainty, not even gravity. They may have believed that it was highly likely that the universe was eternal, but that is not the same thing as certainty at all.
'Scientists count swans and never see a black swan so say all swans are white. '
This is also nonsense, many people over a period of time would count swans, and if even then there appeared no black swans, they would say, 'under these conditions, in these places, it is unlikely there are black swans', and the kicker is, guess what?, they are right, it is unlikely.
Evolution isnt disputed for its accuracy(this is just patently false), its accepted by all credible scientists and there are extreme amounts of evidence for it, and proofs of it. Having a probabilistic nature doesnt mean it is 'unsure'; Quantum mechanics for example is a very well tested theory, we measure it as such, but its 'lessons' are largely probabilistic.
@@deadmeat1471 I watched another video with this guy, and it's only "Darwinian Evolution" that he doesn't accept as true. He mentioned a website called Darwinian Delusions. He didn't say Muslims don't believe in any theories of evolution.
@@Diamondraw4Real Darwinian evolution is evolution, to suggest otherwise is nonsense.
@@deadmeat1471 no.
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Lol, Both are Very religious People. one is Christian And Jew's.
I actually did not know his name, but I really enjoyed one of his videos titled "the forbidden prophecies". It was so eloquent and so much to take from that lecture. Now I know who he is.
Suboor Ahmad
Br Musa I respect what you're doing with these podcasts but please dont interrupt the speaker I know you're used to the chit chat with brothers sometimes on these shows thats fine to talk over in that kind of show but this is an intellectual topic and is a very deep subject so please let br subboor finish then gently intervene to move on. Its vital to learn the art of presenting a show if one wishes to be successful and please accept my negative feedback.
Same atitude ,my Frnd have 😉
Intellectual if you have the brain of a goldfish.
2:54 you can't say that they believed that with certainty, the whole basis of science is nothing is 'proven' and every theory can be wrong or proven wrong. Any scientist that is 100% certain of their theory and it doesn't allow room for it to be debunked isn't being scientific
The "theory" of evolution relates to the explanation and that will undoubtedly be revised with time. The fact of evolution remains the same - humans are subject to the same process of genetic mutations that drives evolution in observable environments.
so what your saying is you agree we observe what darwinian evolution theory predicts we should but in the future we might get an EVEN better theory that predicts more?
don't be silly. evolution isn't going to be debunked. there's tonnes of evidence for evolution and exactly 0 evdidence that the quran is from god.
@@JackSparrow-ii5gt evoultion has not been proven to exist to begin with. What are you even on about? The missing link , lack of obeservable example in the lab or outside, the fine tuning and intelligently designed animals and plants all contradict the basic concept of evolution. So evolution is not a fact but scientist are working on different aspects of it. You need to get informed even evolutionary scientists know these major issues
@@izzomoses7994 what a load of crap.
the whole point of evolution is that it contradicts the religious suggestion that plants and animals are intelligently designed. it proves you don't need a creator to have intelligent design.
But did he talk about evolution? Or any other specific elvoutionary theory in detail? No!!! With no disrespect to Islam and followers, There is huge amount of information/ archeological evidence/ which is extremely logical which believers of Islam don't even look at as they already would prefer to believe it to be untrue. I would say please read up on evolution in detail, and then definitely reject it if truely doesn't work for you. For example how neantherthals' physique evolved around survival in extreme conditions and how homosapiens have a bigger cranial cavity because of relatively easier survival leading to more brain activity.
There is a lot more substantial information. Rejecting without delving into it suggests towards insecurity around one's belief system. I hope I'm not hurting any sentiments.
Muslims ignore ALL evidence which contradicts their belief, they won't even read it. Especially if written by a non-Muslim, non-Arabic speaking person (doesn't matter how many PhDs they have!). Muslims scholars in Islamic countries of course cannot do such studies, for obvious reasons... This is why there are about 10x less scientists in the Islamic countries vs the world average.
Brother said a whole lot of nothing😂
You are one of the most open-minded people I’ve ever seen. I haven’t said this to anyone, I am proud of you my brother.
@@shinobiexmuslimatheistapis5867 lol then why was there an Age of Enlightenment during the golden era of Muslims?
@@ringgame why are you now in the dark ages, denying science?
@@jesan733 who’s denying science? Us or your army or alphabets (lgbtq+)?
@@ringgame you are. You're denying evolution and common origin. This "army" of lgbtq+ is irrelevant to the question: Why are you now in the dark ages, denying science?
@@jesan733 your evolution is still a theory. Our origin is Adam not some monkeys or lizard amphibians
The only dark thing about this age is the desire and pleasure driven hypocrites whom deny both science and religion and glorify Satan and immortality.
Dear brothers in lslam please please translate these intelligent discussions specifically brother Saboor, one of the best... Please translate in the beautiful Arabic language...appreciate these amazing Muslims which have taken Islam as thier responsibility.. MashaAllah,,, O" Allah by your grace and power increase thier knowledge and bless them in your way..
I’ll suggest that you check Dr. Eyad’s series called: "رحلة اليقين"
Sounded stupid in English already
The earth may presently have up to ten million species, yet more than 90% of species that have ever lived on the earth are now extinct. Once again, the creationist doctrines fail to satisfactorily address why a divine creator will firstly bother to create millions of species and then allow them to perish. The Darwinian explanation for extinct life is once again simple, elegant and at once convincing-organisms go extinct as a function of environmental or biological assaults for which their inheritance deems them ill-equipped.Therefore, the so-called Darwinian theory of evolution is not a theory at all. Evolution happens-this is a fact. The mechanism of evolution (Darwin proposed natural selection) is amply supported by scientific data. Indeed, to date no single zoological, botanical, geological, paleontological, genetic or physical evidence has refuted either of the central two main Darwinian ideas. If religion is not taken into consideration.Darwinian laws are acceptable just like laws proppsed by Copernicus , Newtow, Einstein etc- sets of natural laws that explain natural phenomena in the universe.
@@winstongrettum3412 u have balls to comment on a Muslim channel 💀
Didn't answer the question of whether Muslims should believe in Evolution or not.
Ok watch his video with Mohammed Hijab it's called "Academic problems with darwanian evolution"
If we keep evolving we won't be human beings
Not allowed. They fight it all. To the point of ignorance…
Evolution is a fact
@@Himalayas2086and if you go back we weren’t what’s your point
@@lucascreediv1283 this debunks evolution
The scientific method is the best method of understanding the natural world we have.
Religious priests claims of the 'truth' should be challenged and questioned by critical thinking .
I completely agree with you. But scientists challenge and question each other using critical thinking too. This is all in the name of seeking knowledge. Which is the first ayat in the Quran; Iqra' (read/seek knowledge)
scientific method itself has contradictions
Father of Muslim Nations (Ibrahim or Abraham (PBUH)) had an critical thinker.
The Qur'an is the best method of understanding salvation that we have. Scientistic priests claims of the "truth" should be challenged and questioned by critical thinking.
Science might give you the nuclear bomb as the greatest military weapon, but I dare any thinker to deny the saving power of Islam.
@@lordsoffilm5459 Islam is your curse, not your salvation. Look around you to see how the Islamic world is a failure.
gamma waves from de past space proofs that the universe has a beginning
Also cosmic background radiation
Wrong. The reason why scientists say the universe may be eternal is because the energy was already there and may have always existed in some state. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the big bang describes the origins of the universe, it only deals with the expansion of the universe and the change of energy states from a hot dense state to a cooler and sparse state.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 the first person that i see and contradict scientists confirme theory of the big bang lol , the Universe is imposible to be eternal since he didnt existed before the big bang , and you need to know better what scientists call Big bangs Egg , where energy and mass whas present due to the hight presure that was implied on them , now , its obvious that the universe is clearly not eternal , now you have to provide a proof that energy existed before big bang , and from where comes that energy, and what originated that energy
@@chimpanzeethat3802 resumed , its a fact that the universe is expanding , so he needs to have a begin , because if is static and eternal as you said why the distance between the galaxies is increasing and decreasing , you need to understand the basis of the phisics and dont play smart
No, it's just that you don't know what the big bang theory entails.
It's a common misconception but it doesn't actually address the origins of the universe. It doesn't address the origins of space, matter or time either.
It explains the expansion of the universe from a position of all fundamental particles being condensed into a tiny little hot dense state ready to rapidly expand into a cooler and sparse state. That's literally all it describes.
The energy required was already there before the actual expansion. No one knows yet where the energy came from but if the 1st Law of Thermodynamics is anything to go by it means that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can only be transferred from one state to another, it is probable that the energy was always there in some state.
It's also because time slows down in states of super massive gravity and during the initial stages of the Big Bang that is so much super massive gravity that one second can equal infinity. Combine this with the fact that even empty space still contains energy, both positive and negative, you are talking about the possibilities of infinite time scales.
Hence the reason why most cosmologists believe the universe is eternal and had no beginning.
Interesting how every religion is so certain it is the right one.
Agreed, also interesting that atheists are so certain none are the right one.
Islam is the last religion by God
Whether people accept this or not 😇
Islam is the logical next step after christianity, just as the christianity was the logical next step after judaism
@@TheJwaad atheists aren't certain. It's a position that unless you can show evidence it's better to not believe just like you don't believe in werewolves, pixies, loch ness monster, unicorns, Thor, Heimdall & Valkyries.
What's interesting is that religious people are so sure theirs is the right religion when fact of the matter is that if they were born in a different part of the world they'd totally think the religion there is the legitimate one 🤷🏽♂️
How?
@Muhammad Al-Shehri No, you're wrong . Actually Sikhism is the last religion not Islam , see Sikhism date
assalam o alaikum...just watched Subboor Ahmad's podcast with Zia bhai (in Molvi with an attitude) and was really impressed by the knowledge he has,Mashaa Allah...our country really need people like you ,stay blessed
evolution is a fact, no getting around that.
Yeah what one believes is irrelevant here
@@lazypotato6743 its not about belief the difference is that evolution is a FACT
The Big Bang doesnt not mean that the universe had a beginning, just that it started rapidly expanding. It does not say anything about how it came to be. For all we know the universe might be expanding and retracting in certain intervals and this expansion is the big bang.
The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model explaining the existence of the observable universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution.
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Nope,If you research on big-bang then you will find that This had a beginning,great scientist have confirmed.
As an agnostic I can agree on certain arguments that you have made. However, you say that the Quran is the true word of God, but what do you say to Christians or Jews who BELIEVE that the Bible or the Torah is the true word of God.
Also to the people who say that Evolution is just a theory. If Evolution was titled an hypothesis, then sure have your doubts about it . However, since is called a theory and not an hypothesis, that means that it has an overwhelming amount of scientific data and evidence to support it. It means that it has been reviewed by scientific peers. Anyone who disagrees with Evolution, I encourage you to look at Neanderthal skulls or Homo Habilis skulls or even all of the other species that had a common ancestor with apes. These bones are self evident that they’re are an intermediate species.
Homology is defined by the structure of species based upon by their common ancestor. I’m not sure how you could interpret almost identical DNA of apes to humans or the almost identical anatomy of bones. However I do agree with you that the Bible does contradict itself. Many things are different compared to other bibles. However the Quran was written after the Bible and the Torah. The text within it are based upon the myths of the Bible and the Torah. And the text within the Bible and Torah are stories that originated from Mesopotamian mythology.
Plus I never said the Bible was written by Jesus.
And correct me if I’m wrong, but I assume you don’t believe evolution is an objective truth. If that is true what would be a piece of evidence that would alter your mindset about this topic. 🤔
I agree, you cannot make an observation and claim it as true if the theory you base it upon hasn’t been validated. However how do you propose that a theory (Evolution) can be validated. If comparative anatomy, DNA research, fossil research, embryonic research, isn’t good enough to show evidence that validates a theory what can.
About the interpretations that evolutionists label arbitrary. What interpretations are they?
I’m not going to say that Islam is wrong however, I do not understand how one person could be Christian merely based on a belief, or how someone could be Jewish based on a belief or a Muslim person based on a belief.
Also about the a=b thing. I would interpret that B,C,D etc. would all support A
In your opinion, what is one scientific discovery that would confirm evolution.
How is it easy to say God exists. How would you know. If people of a certain faith started to actually try to disprove other faiths/religion what would be a discovery that leads to believe that their religion is true.
I still am not understanding what scientific discovery. That in this conversation we label c is contradicting Evolution.
Why is that most people of religion will use science to their benefit, but the moment that it contradicts their belief they deem it as wrong.
Rener Oslo, it has been a pleasure speaking with you. I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree. If that’s ok. 🙃
Fabulous mashallah brother saboor always clear in his words may Allah increse in his knowledge ameen
This is called corruption of mind through religion....u just clap and say fabulous mashallah...Just for curiosity just do your own research and find for yourself
The best answer to this video is something that Sam harris says.
Name one thing for which we once had a scientific answer and now it's been proved wrong by religion. You can't. Now, think of the things for which we once had religious answers but now are proved wrong by science. You already have a lot of things in mind.
Sheraz Ahmad : where does science contradict the Quran? Spending too much time looking in the mirror doesn’t make you an expert about the Quran,pleasant dreams.
@@tomorrowmaynevercome3171 Whattttt?????
@@tomorrowmaynevercome3171 There is barely any information in the Quran. It's just a repetitive collection of statements about the "greatness of God" and the "separation of Muslims and alleged non-believers".
The creation of mankind. That's an example of a false claim in the holy books.
Theodore J. Rubinstein : you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Rayan : the flood was local .
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And the people of Noah - when they denied the messengers, We drowned them, and We made them for mankind a sign. And We have prepared for the wrongdoers a painful punishment.
Out of clay from an altered black mud. A biogenesis is a non living matter that underwent transformation under certain conditions = altered.
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And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud.
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And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud.
0:17 interesting how the question was “Evolution: do we believe in it as Muslims?” instead of “Evolution: is it true?”
we believe the truth btw
Mohammed Mohammed, cool, so just to check, suppose something in the Quran wasn’t true, would you stop believing in that thing?
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe if something in the quran is not true that would make the whole quran not true in entirety so if there was something unture nobody would believe in the quran
Mohammed Mohammed, I’m only asking about you though, whether you would stop believing in that one thing (if we suppose it wasn’t true)?
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe 2 things first the quran is in whole what i mean by that is if 1 thing is untrue that means none of it is true so i wouldent just stop believing in 1 thing the quran is a whole , ur presupposing a squared circle ie impossibility idk whats the point of thinking about impossibilities
Mashallah brother nice explanation
Alhamdulillah very good discuss.
Yeah Masha Allah 🙂
My man, islam/Quran changes with every new discovery in science smh, if Allah/God were given a choice between his book or science he would've chose science.
The relation among all living things through DNA analysis is irrefutable. Just like our DNA matches with our fathers and mothers, it also matches with other living things. It shows the biological connection among all living things. Now, yes, surely there are many things in the concept of evolution that are being and can be researched further but some basic facts are not gonna change. It's the sub-theories within it that will keep on refining all the time. This is what the scientific method all about.
You nailed it perfectly. Couldn't have said it any better!
lol that is the most retarded low iq bs I have encountered in a while, why did scientists chop 28 %of human dna and 8 % of ape dna, before even comparing them ?
@@justabeardedguythatisahero9848 Thats what the method includes. The similarity is reported in terms of biological markers which are common. Biological markers cannot be compared or matched unless we are connected biologically.
@@justabeardedguythatisahero9848 Ali Qasim is correct
@@bokononbokomaru8156 Ok zoomer Stfu
I completely get that science is always being revised, so in that sense you can't have 100% complete certainty in it. But how can you have 100% certainty in the Quran? Just because the Quran isn't being changed doesn't mean it's 100% correct, surely?
Yes , main reason for Quran to be correct is that it is world of God i.e ALLAH
@@purposeoflife47 yes flying donkeys are real
@@praveenrai2846 i dont know which is the thing that you are calling flying donkeys?
There is no proof that the Quran is from God.
The Prophet could not provide evidence when he was asked to do so, other than giving a subjective test of construct and eloquence which is highly debatable (because books are scattered all over and verses are omitted according to Hadiths).
Also, one thing Muslims can't wiggle out of is the production of sperm, according to Quran, it originates from the backbone and the ribs as opposed to what we know today, from the man's testicles.
This one error invalidates the Quran as proves it is not from God. God is all knowing.
@@purposeoflife47 How are you sure that it is the word of Allah?
"We know that the quran is absolutely true", no you don't.
that is the belief.
@@bobbyologun1517 you can not proof Quran is not from God
Many people try to proof Quran is not from God
Then they became muslims 😇😇😂
@@xmuhmd I was trying to prove that Quran in the word of god, and I ended up leaving it
سليمان If I was you, I would have thought twice.. and not take quick conclusions based upon my limited knowledge at a certain time..
Dear sulayman, read, ponder, think a lot more and then ask yourself why u left ..
I see it's time wasting thinking about God of he doesn't exist
The big problem here, as always, is that he is starting with the assumption that the Quran is correct. In science, we question everything and change our theories according to our observations. In religion, you start with an assumption, and refuse to change your belief based on observations.
@Abdullah Ibn hassan yeah my heart is blind, it doesn't have the ability to see, neither does yours. Also, Muhammad didn't split the moon in two. Can you see (or can you heart see) the other piece of the moon? I can't...
@@nubbo1763 yes we don't know what resides before the Bing Bang, and you won't get a reputable scientist that says 'it's probably this because I have a feeling". I also don't think you'll find a reputable scientist that will say it couldn't possibly be supernatural. However, as of yet, there is no good evidence for it. Because we have absolutely no clue, one shouldn't make assumptions.
Your understanding of my stance doesn't even make sense. I don't think 'science' is right. How can our study of the natural world be right on before Big Bang when no conclusion has been drawn? I have an open mind. I am an agnostic atheist. I believe there is not enough evidence to prove or disprove a creator. However, based on religious scripture, I'd argue the creator is not what they describe (if there is one). So, no, that's absolutely not my argument.
@Abdullah Ibn hassan go for it
@Abdullah Ibn hassan bro I'm at work , I will answer whatever you've written, I just need time
@Abdullah Ibn hassan please can you phrase the questions more clearly :) I'm not entirely sure on which parts are the questions. Do you want me to read about those topics or are you asking something specific?
as a Muslim, i find the eternal universe argument that subboor and hijab put forth to be lame.
Yes...
It's true so should be taken the truth, evolution underpins are whole understanding of modern medicine because of our links to nature.
We are just evolution in action, one if many animals on earth that share ancestory.
The steady state theory was a hypothesis and I agree that most scientists thought it was probably true back in the day. That was because they didn't have evidence it wasn't. By Occam's razor it seemed reasonable to not posit any other hypotheses but I emphasize that it was a hypothesis, which of courae needed testing to approach confirmation. I disagree that -- as your distinguished speaker said -- any scientists believed it with anything close to "absolute certainty" -- though you can't rule out people who are so invested in an idea they can't recognize a contradiction when it comes along. Most adopted it cautiously as the best first approximation given the information they had. Then along comes Edwin Hubble who showed that the universe was expanding using red shifts of spectra from distant objects. This of course blew steady state out of the water and led to the hypothesis of the big bang where the universe has a beginning. The evidence there is the calculation we make from running the expansion backwards. We think it's true because we don't have any more information that would explain an expanding universe that didn't start at some time in the past. My point being: Science is NOT a bunch of unchanging claims and fancy equations. As your speaker pointed out, it constantly checks itself and changes as evidence comes in. I respect people of faith including my Islamic friends but I do not see in faith the same self-correcting mechanism. Evolution is currently the prevailing dogma in biology but it could certainly be adapted or even rejected if new evidence contradicts it. That seems as unlikely at this point that we would change our understanding of F=ma. The evidence is quite strong and there aren't any biologists I know (and I know a few including some Muslims) who think that is likely to happen.
I am not a Muslim but I really enjoyed your discussion which was at a rational level far above the attacks I see on evolution in the non-Muslim faith community. Assalamu Aleikum.
I was disappointed with this video as the topic was not addressed. The only point I came away with is that as Muslims we're to accept the Quran as always correct, even if it contradicts what science has uncovered. I expected either exploration of some scientific concepts or excerpts from the Quran, hadith or some learned opinion from a scholar of Islam. I got little to none of these.
you won't, KORAN is not a book of science, so stop approaching it that way.
Quran*@@arslaanmania1309
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Mr Zift Atheists don't say God doesn't exist, they say there is no evidence for God.
Mr Zift Have you heard of Agnostic Atheism? Also, for the sake of example, there is an idea called “last thursdayism” which says the universe was created last Thursday and the past is an illusion. Now, there is a chance that that’s true, however, with no evidence to support the claim, it’s nothing more than an interesting thing to think about.
@@hamez1300 thursdaism is has true as islamism
@Ibrahim Zulfiquar "Christianity is the truth
we have evidence
the Bible"
and then that statement itself is self-refuted! neat.
Awesome snip-bit!! This is a question I've been thinking about for a bit, and this really explains it well!!
Rojda e it explains nothing at all.
The scientists have said for a long time that the universe is expanding. It still is. It did not change.
Science has got more and more accurate. Quantum physics does not invalidate Newtonian physics- it only restricts its domain.
All the scientists have said is that the universe came from a point of infinite density called the singularity. They do not say anything about whether the singularity always existed before the Big Bang.
Let us see what the Quran says. It says the physical universe came from NOTHING. Obviously the Quran says the physical created universe with its billions of stars is NOT GOD, and that GOD magically created it from NOTHING.
And where is this GOD? Does he occupy space? Nope .
GOD occupies NO SPACE as space is created.
Hence GOD IS NON EXISTENT IN REALITY.
this GOD, apparently , can only be met after death!!! Very convenient as no one can prove it or disprove it. You need to die first to prove it!!!
Hahahaha
What nonsense!! Comparing this with science is the Height of foolishness.
The arguments are pretty simple & rock solid. Reasons for leaving the faith vary from person to person. For me personally, it was blatant errors in the Qur'an. Specifically verses related to cosmology/origins. For example, Sura Fussilat (41) Verses 10,11,12 - Function of stars - that they are a decoration & serve as missiles for shayateen. Earth created first in 2 days + 4 days for its sustenance, then the heavens in 2 days.
Sura Kahf (18) Verses 86,90 - Sun setting & rising at specific points on the Earth.
Sura Taariq (86) Verses 5,6,7 - Semen originating from between the backbone & the ribs.
Sura Nisaa (4) Verse 11 - Inheritance fractions do not add up to a whole number, i.e 1.
Sura Nisaa (4) Verse 24 - Men can have (no consent) the wives of disbelievers if they are their captives of war.
The well known wife beating Verse 34, Sura Nisaa (4).
Other examples like the sky held up like a roof without pillars, mountains are pegs keeping the earth from shaking...etc.
The incompatibility of eternal hell, active torture & mercy.
Also of course the whole Adam/Eve narrative Vs evolution. DNA provides solid evidence in support of evolution by natural selection. Adam/Eve are fictional characters. Add to that the fact that no human has ever been known to live for 200 years let alone 950 (Nuh's age in the Qur'an). Fossils can be studied/analyzed quite accurately for age at time of death & none with such human lifespans have ever been found. Human lifespans, if anything, are on the rise, primarily due to advancements in healthcare. Essentially proofs that the Qur'an is man made.
Mohammed abdulrahman there are a lot of vague statements in many many religions that can be read any way you wish.
Nope. Just asserting that quran said it shows nothing at all. Completely nothing.
@Mohammed abdulrahman Present your counter arguments in a structured manner by actually spending time & effort on it like I did or piss off.
I left Islam after detailed research in my 30s. Never felt better. Only regret was not having left sooner & having wasted a good chunk of my life on childhood indoctrination ridiculous belief systems. Solid evidence in the form of fossils, DNA, cosmology - conclusively proves the Qur'an to be the flawed work of 7th century man. The exploding ex-muslim population is perhaps some indicator of this.
@Mohammed abdulrahman You have not yet answered anything buddy. Fossils, DNA is solid empirical evidence. Irrefutable in nature. No debate about it whatsoever. Evolution by natural selection is a proven fact. No two ways about it. Go do some actual learning.
Jazak Allahu khayran🥺
MashalAllah brother, beautifully explained ❤️
Write Masha Allah correctly plz.
@@cartoonclips6487 it’s all about intention
Beautifully explained yet non-factual.
"Science can always change its conclusions". Because human knowledge is ever evolving. Bu religion can never change, without collapse, because it claims to have the only truth, the eternal truth, and this, as a human invention, is quite simply impossible.
@@mrkashka0 you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@mrkashka0 Creatures don't evolve, population systems do. If create an environment the size of Dubai with 100 cheetas and then airdrop into this environment 50,000 goats, and you seal up that environment up for 500 years, if your ratio of pray to predator is stable, you will return 500 years later to see MORE THAN 2 different species of animal, none of which may be the ones you started off with. The heard of goats will be pruned daily by the cheetas, with the more agile, faster goats, surviving more chases, and goats that vocalize warnings between themselves if they spot predators and then hide may stall predators and live to see another day. If herds of the fastest goats reproduce, and herds of vocalizing + hiding goats reproduce, after 500 years of natural selection (30 generations), the herd of quick goats will be anatomically very different from the vocalizing+hiding goats. Much in the same way that 30 generations of selective breeding of a mutt can lead to grayhound proportions or mastiff proportions from the same common ancestors. Eventually genetic drift becomes so high that 2 divergent population systems from the same initial herd can no longer reproduce. This is how evolution and the diversity of species is explained through evolution. Evolution is not gorilla gives birth to chimp which gives birth to human. To say this is to fundamentally misunderstand the very thing that you criticize.
@@mrkashka0 Yes, considering the evidence.
lukahead6 Nice way of putting it. But still, where did all this universe come from? There surely has to be a divine creator because nothing comes from nothing.
@@KM-mr5xp my question is... How are we sure that we understand the religion? That our interpretations of the holy books is right?
جزاكم الله خيراً
This is brilliant, Iera and Subboor peddling the Creationist worldview has led to many many muslim apostatising out of Islam. Accommodationist Islamic preachers who accept humans evolved from hominids to some degree keep educated, sophisticated and intelligent muslims within Islam, so I prefer the the likes of Iera and Subboor espousing Creationism.
There really isn't a whole lot of debate among biologists about evolution. In fact, all of modern biology is based on it. Overall I thought this was a thoughtful discussion but religious people in general (Christians, Muslims, etc) are really quick to throughout this vague notion that there is significant disagreement among academics about the reality of evolution without providing any support for this claim. There will always be fringe thinkers and apologists who are willing to claim things that run counter to the evidence but that doesn't mean their ideas have any significant backing in the scientific community. In contrast, the question about the origins of the universe is STILL widely debated.
And for those who want to believe in creationism, they can just assert that evolution is God's creative tool. So what is the argument about?
@@roberthannah7983 The argument is that Muslims believe that the first human being was created directly from clay, without a mother or father, and therefore, cannot believe that humans are an evolved species prior to Adam. While evolution may be a reality, the narrative has to have this exception to certain religious groups.
@@ImyManzProductions This Quran passage does not seem to imply a direct creation. It could be a fanciful way of describing the appearance of life and evolution: Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump, then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]
@@roberthannah7983Don't speak without knowledge. Who ever believes in this theory is a kaffir. All of the muslim scholars know allah created the first human in the heaven and sent him to earth after that. Evolution is an absolute myth. Don't put myth into the quran.
The religious people keep looking for the small minority of these "philosphers of science" that evolution is apparently not real when there is SO much evidence of evolution being real.
I don't think that it's the right way to approach a theory, like it's said in the title that should you, as a Muslim, believe in evolution. You shouldn't have any preconceptions or baggage when you study something. Just look at the evidence, follow the logic and reasoning and then make a rational decision whether you accept the theory or not. If after looking at all the evidence and reasoning you think that the theory is not convincing enough, you can choose to not believe in it. But I don't think it's right to come to a topic with your mind already made up that if you wanna believe in it or not, without looking at any evidence or reasoning.
our evidence is Quran with rational and justifiable reasons.
Science is not rigid, "evidence" and "fact" is changing
@@Web3dopamine Idk what kinda science you’re talking about, but the science as I know it is very much rigid. (Talking about the things already known here, like if there is already a theory in science known to be true, it’s not going to change, only things can be added to it.) It’s flexible in sense where you can make modifications to it and make it more refined, but theories like Gravity and Evolution are not going anywhere.
@@swastiksingh5225 Well! there are so many instances science keeps on changing because its just an observation based on "what you see", in this video itself says scientist believed earth is eternal but alas that's not the case defined by scientist themselves. There are so many changes happening, the only thing that is rigid is Islam.
Also look into other debates and see why there are so many problems with Darwin;s evolution, critically analyse it the way you analyse religion.
@@Web3dopamine If you may would you please provide me one of those instances where an established theory, which was published in a peer reviewed journal and recognised by other scientists, which was then later then changed.
The thing which you’re talking about is not related to science. Science was not even established as a discipline when people used to believe the earth was eternal. It was just self proclaimed philosophers who used to believe such things, mostly because of their religious beliefs. Science is what brought those people to the truth.
Your point on evolution is also invalid as those debates have not brought forth anything fruitful and are just pointless debates, mostly religious people trying to deny an established scientific theory. As such inside the scientific community, there’s a consensus that the evolutionary theory is correct.
And as I said earlier, science is flexible, but only as far as in it’s scope to expand and more refinement. It’s not flexible in sense that you can change already established scientific theories.
"The thing which you’re talking about is not related to science. Science was not even established as a discipline when people used to believe the earth was eternal. It was just self proclaimed philosophers who used to believe such things, mostly because of their religious beliefs. Science is what brought those people to the truth." - Yes, it was philosophers, but in this video Subhoor mentioned that scientist agreed to it only 60 years ago, please watch it before commenting so many times. We don't have people who are going against scientist theory, why? because its not something that earns money, if you are a scientist, IT guy you can earn lots of money quickly not historians and philosophers. if you do your own research you will find, dogmas and flaws even with noble price nominee scientist.
If you have been to oxford.
"Your point on evolution is also invalid as those debates have not brought forth anything fruitful and are just pointless debates, mostly religious people trying to deny an established scientific theory. As such inside the scientific community, there’s a consensus that the evolutionary theory is correct." - its a SCIENTIST DOGMA, why should i belief is their ifs and buts and assumptions, the theory is based on assumptions and observation which in the assumption might fit perfectly but again its a dogma.
religious (at least muslims) people believe in logic and rationality not in dogma.
Also not to give you strawman argument but no scientist can answer about infinite regression fallacy, literally no one, which is basic human logic. So darwin theory proves nothing in compare to infinite regression fallacy. Do you believe in this fallacy?
last point again: critically analyse darwin theory
"Should Muslims believe in evolution"
???. Evolution is an absolute proven fact, imagine a room full of file cabinets, in these cabinets are all the facts about evolution, the name on the door of this room is The Theory of Evolution.
Words have more than one meaning, the word theory used by the public means a guess or hunch, the word Theory used in scientific terms is a summation of all the facts and Laws on the subject
Do you deny the Law of gravity for instance, a lot of religious do, due to believing in flat earth and the firmament etc
It's actually not. In fact there are still huge gaps in it -such as the development of human though-, hence it's the THEORY of Evolution, which, as with everything scientific, is being continuously revised and amended as time goes on. Unlike the Quran, which muslims hold to be never changing as truth typically is. That's the point I believe the brother was making.
Remy there is more evidence for the theory of evolution than there is for gravity
There is zero evidence for a magic golem spell, e.g. Adam being made from clay/mud/dirt
@PARTH Asha Human thought ** meaning if natural selection was the guiding mechanism of evolution, free thought is pointless, it would be stimuli=reaction with no thought in between. Philosophy, art, all the kinks and individuality out there doesn't serve our survival.
To not continue w this thread I'll say this; atheism, evolutionism, and all the isms, all these things have so many fallacies, holes, and contradictory "evidence" that believing in them requires faith, the very thing which they claim to despise. May god guide you to the truth. Have a great life.
@0:48 can someone explain what are the reasons?
But you gave good enough reasons to stick to science @5:10 - you beautifully explained why science is always seeking truth - hence much reliable way to navigate to the truth. fyi, "Changing" means "Making progress"
The following reasons are that we believe in Quran is word of Allah.. and not only us but many scientists actually believed it too because If you read Qur'an, It has Scientific logics that are now being True.. as there was no knowledge of these deep scientific logics in 1200 years before.. so they believe of The Entity that is behind everything in this world. Even in Quran it says
(Not an Ayah'.. it's just it's summary): that we sent these Ayah'ts one by one to Prophet Muhammad PBUH in 23 years in the cave of Hira. So it clearly defines that. I hope it answers you question thanks. For detail you can reply
@@glagod_master005 You are indirectly pointing what is wrong with the logic in this video.
Basically, they are saying "if science agree with us, it's a proof we are right. If science disagree with us, it's probably because the current science is wrong, and still need to make progress".
Yeah, but if you acknowledge that science can be wrong and still continue to evolve, you can't use it to "proof that you are right" when it agrees with you. Because you have then to consider that the science that go your way could also be wrong, and may change tomorrow.
Using science the way people in the video are using it, it's just using it to confirm your own bias.
Secular Science will never be relied on as proof for Islam. The proof of Islam lies within reason, observation, and transmission…(true science). Therefore, if a secular researchers uses reason observation or transmission effectively, it will subsequently prove Islam , but that is just a perk of being a Muslim, not the foundational proof.
@@locococo7362 Very good point brother
Alhamdulilah this is a gem, thank you so much for this
Haha cool work brothers may ALLAH paak reward you
Brother subbor please answer my comment, i want to participate in translating your videos to arabic
You can do that using the youtube subtitles features
Do you have any Audio podcasts...
Links are in the description :)
There was a need in this conversation to distinguish between evolution as a fact, descent by common ancestry is a fact, and evolution as a theory, that the natural selection is the best explanation according to the evidence, of this fact. The first part is beyond rational doubt. The second has not been falsified yet despite many attempts to do so. The second part is challengeable and reviseable, although don't hold your breath!
What is your evidence that descent by common ancestry is irrefutably true?
@@frankcapra5304DNA
He should debate with Richard Dawkins for better understanding on evolution 😅😂
Richard dawkins wouldnt debate Hamza Tzortis. Lol
Dawkins was a joke
Dawkins is bottom of the barrel when it comes to science.
@@kalijasin Bottom of the barrel in bullshido
Richard Dawkins should debate with him for better understanding on humility.
this level of mental gymnastics is at least Olympic standard
@Planck M.We can disagree on a philosophical basis, but to call an atheist immoral is the same as me calling you a moron.
care to elaborate?
@@MiguelLopez-sk1pf he never said they are immoral, what he said was that their morals are just subjective conjuncture, which is true. A moral atheist can exist, but moral atheism? Not so much
@@DarkCrusade Everyone's morality is subjective.
So what if you are non Muslim and are interested to belief Islam and muhammed are true but think Evolution from common descent makes more sense rather than the idea god made humans from clay?
جزاك الله خيرا كثيرا
The host of the channel Miss is very immature he doesn’t know what he’s doing there. The guest is very knowledgeable he’s aware of what he’s saying he should’ve had someone more serious with him to be having a powerful conversation like this.
Same thought. And he is stupid and he is trying to look handsome, making teenagers' faces and postures.
It's called humor
He's appealing to a younger audience you boomers
@@user-lo3er3th8g exactly. So kids and teenagers remain interested
He is very mature, this is the only video he was criticized in, how are you jumping to conclusions like that, look at his previous videos, a very nice brother, both of them are amazing
Young man, will you please let your guest talk?
He didn't finish his last discussion lol. He was about to explain why the misunderstanding about evolution between the public exists as opposed to the scientific community
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Can we have English subtitle please.
There is problem in understanding some words
Thank you
There is an English subtitle
Evolution and Qur'an don't necessarily contradict each other.
God creates by his own fashion, not necessarily how we imagine him doing it.
Adam as was the first human, surely but he may also have come from Allah's fashioned nature and be the first one to possess all the characters of human.
in the Quran it was also mentioned that humans from than were different from now. There were tallerr humans and lived longer
@@wysg123 humans were shorter, we have gotten taller.
@@wysg123 Wheres the evidence for this?
Lol islam clearly says that adam is made of dirt nothing to do with evolution
In evolution Adam is the first human being but evolution theory teachers us that there were at least 6 human species that branched off the same common ancestor and they are all hominids and the humans race of today was not the first among them homo sapiens didn't come first
In religion it states that adam was in heaven and was brought down to earth in his current form but in evolution the homo sapiens were on earth evolving from their ancestors
How do you say islam doesn't contradict evolution it's very absurd
ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّٰهِ
Basically he his stating evolution is wrong but we dont know it yet.
6) he forgot to “explain” evolution, the origin of the universe is not
a part of darwin’s theory
This is what is known as mental acrobatics. When you hold a belief, and are willing to distort everything around you, just to fit that narrative. Rather than interrogate your narrative to see if it fits the real and hence becomes the rational. I have no animosity towards Islam or religion as far as a person is willing to believe. But it's the dogmatic religious mind which baffles me.
Totally agreeing to you.. Make more sense..
You should actually look into the proofs of the quran being the book of God. Then you will understand the message and arguments
Last I checked, Darwinism is a theory
It is not a flaw that science self corrects based on the latest data, it's a strength. Science concerns itself with discovering what is true while theology concerns itself with defending it's own extraordinary claims.
He never said it's a flaw, he said it's beautiful
Actually universe in a way is eternal because big bang never stated that energy was created out of nowhere rather it just states that energy and matter was super densed in a single point. which could mean energy is eternal and hence universe in a way. So universe is eternal in a way.
Amazing 👌🏻❤️ beautiful way
Let's read that Victor Stenger quote that Subhoor uses in it's full context;
'“Any strategy that attempts to reinforce faith by undermining science is also doomed to failure. Showing that some scientific theory is wrong will not prove that the religious alternative is correct by default. When the sun was shown not to be the center of the universe, as Copernicus had proposed, the Earth was not moved back to that singular position in the cosmos. If Darwinian evolution is proved wrong, biologists will not develop a new theory based on the hypothesis that each species was created separately by God 6,000years ago.”
-- Victor J. Stenger
How is this guy Subhoor even taken seriously he could win a Gold Medal for Prevarication.
Embarrassing.
we'll see whos right.
@@ibrahimkalim864 We don't have to wait. Subhoor twisted the truth to fit his narrative, misrepresenting the quote and in effect lying, He is a very knowledgeable person so to do this required a level of deviousness that makes him in my eyes totally untrustworthy.
This is exactly what I wanted to answer to this video.
Lots of religious people are trying to deny evolution the way we know it because it may enter in conflict with their faith, but what they don't understand is that prooving or disprooving evolution doesn't change the fact that we already have enough evidence to be sure that creationism is wrong.
@@locococo7362 i am a religious person yet i didnt deny the evolution theory
@@LukmanHakim-gn3uk good to hear. I don't see that too often.
Except the Big Bang does not say the universe has a beginning. The bing bang model says space began to expand from a single point but please continue with your post hoc rationale
False all the universe was in a point
Host is immature but guest have gems 💎 of knowledge
As the great scholar Richard Dawkins said, if Adam and Eve were the first humans, then which one of them was white, which black and which Asian? If you don't know who Dawkins is, I recommend that you watch him and read some of his books (only if you want to learn of course, if you want to only believe on no evidence and ignore the natural world, then just keep on reading the Quran/Bible).
How does the existence of different races contradict Adam & Eve
@@ziyaaddhorat not to be provocative, but do you really not understand the premise of the statement ?
Looks like Richard Dawkins doesn’t understands how genetics work. You can be a man with white skin but still have gene in your body that gives melanin to skin. It’s just that white gene was dominant and black was recessive . Now when you have children, it can be that you pass them black skin gene and that gene becomes dominant in their body. So you can be a white guy with dark skinned child. More over as the population increase there are mutations that give new characteristics
@@Fundamental_Islam. recessive?*
@@ziyaaddhorat yes sorry for mistake
Who's watching this in lockdown
But Quran also says "We created life from water".
It could be explained , that the beginning of creation was from water aka fish?
@@orange8216 there's no manipulation in it.
The problem with religion is that you don't compare the two if you did that's how you become an Atheist evolution makes way more sense than the religious belief that we came from dirt or mud with a bit of magic it's ignorant to believe in one thing without questioning it because your religion goes against rational thought by saying that you shouldn't doubt the Quran lol
Brother suboor is ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
So many muslims asking if they should believe in evolution (as the host mentions at the very beginning of the video) shows the inmense harm that religions and specifically Islam in this case do to humanity.
This guy says that he knows for a fact that the Quran is God’s word and it’s all truth… nobody knows that for sure, least of all this guy. It’s something that can’t be known.
He then goes on talking about the “static state” theory, which doesn’t even exist because it was called “steady state” (he doesn’t even know what’s it called… wonder how well he knows it…)
He then talks about the Big Bang as a theory about the universe having a beginning… the Big Bang doesn’t actually talk about any beginning… just demonstrates that the observable universe was once much smaller, hotter and denser… that is not necessarily a beginning, it was just a different state in which the universe was. And there was no explosion…
He then says that evolution is not a sure thing… mistake again… evolution is really quite true… there are specifics that are still disputed, but the general principle that life forms evolve and that billions of years ago there were just simple life forms and these evolved gradually to reach the complex biodiversity we see today is more than proven.
Muslims only deny human evolution. Everything else alive is ok.
@@Deee1672 that shows you how illogical they are, given we have more evidence for human evolution than any other species. We have chromosome 2 unequivocally linking us to chimps, not to mention a nearly complete genome sequencing, so many ERVs in common with other apes that can only be explained by common descend, not to mention fossils and biogeography
… and still there are people denying human evolution because a what a 1500 years old book may say…
60 years ago scientist did not have any evidence that universe have no beginning. Eternal state of universe was a hypothesis not theory. So evolution and eternal state of universe cannot be compared.
He is a real Gem💎
أرجوا أن تترجموا المقطع في قناتكم العربية 🤲🏼❤️
Sad Cube
جزاك الله خير ❤️
evolution is not like the origin of the universe, it is concrete and much evidence to confirm it and the evidence is becoming stronger day by day. You guys can't deny it.
Well,
I guess the problem of us is with the Darwin theory of evolution
Today over 10 Million Muslims have memorized it word for word. It is arranged in such a matrix that it is humanly impossible to come up with a unique arrangement without the use of Computer. @
5) the Big Bang model says that the universe had a beginning, it could be the product of a physical cause, maybe a parent universe,
Well, I would say maybe it is our understanding of Quran that contradicts the science. We have to be careful to assume that our knowledge of Quran reflects the true meaning that is conveyed by Allah. Allah knows best.
Hahaha that joke hits it at all🤣🤣🤣🤣
How is it that we dont understand quran when people have been following it for 1400 years? Or that the quran was written in such a way for people back then to understand. What muslims dont understand is that they have been fooled and cant realize or accept it. As Mark Twain said, it is easier to fool someone than convince them they have beeb fooled. Quran is from a science perspective or just reality perspective full of errors. End of discussion
The point that he made about the Soviet scientist not wanting to accept the universe not being eternal because it would give rise to religious thought is an example of how scientists are not free from bias & societal influence
people always tend to forget natural phenomena are looked at through the lens of philosophical naturalism. As a Muslim, you can't be a philosophical naturalist. we believe in the supernatural. the matter is not the ultimate reality. matter has no power on its own. we believe in the miraculous creation of the isa. we believe the dead birds of Abraham come flying to them. we believe in the unseen.
The most critical mistake Muslims make is to adopt the worldview of materialism and use it as "furkan" criteria.
materialism is wrong. it doesn't work. just look at the consciousness. it doesn't work.
and even if you accept materialism. which model is the fact? bush of life? tree of life? which one?
which mechanism is the proven fact? there are alternative models and suggestions even in the communities of materialsts.
how can you say this is fact while there are multiple models and drawings to explain the same data?
there are mathematical problems. but dogmatic materialstics ignore it because one way or the other way matter has to organize itself to build up right? That is a fact, right?
it only follows if you blindly believe in philosophical naturalism.
Although he has lost me he moment he said that 'Quran is the source of knowledge which we know in certainly is absolute and true' but just before making this statement, he also said that we know today that there are contradiction in Quran. The next thing is, when it wws mentioned that Quran has weight and so does scientific conclusions, here is what is upsetting about it, Quran had weight for those who belive in it, science has weight even if you belive it or not, big difference. I love the contradiction in his statements.
Science is exactly what Quran says.. We are supposed to research and explore the world.. When we are finding new things we may or may find the truth.. And this knowledge keeps changing.. Like science has uncountable laws and theories conflicting even with eachother.. So scince is just a changing process by which we are trying to find the truth and no data is certain or fixed in it.. While Quran is truth.. It is fixed bcz its revealing of truth, before time, From the creator(all knowing) to his creatures(trying to gain knowledge)..
if you already have the final truth which you say is the Quran, why bother with science?
The quran is the claim, not the evidence. Science gives us results and is demonstrable , your book gives us violent fairytales and hasn’t been proven to be true at all.
@@bobchill5402 because we only have statements... But to prove them we need to find some procedure.. Imagine you only have a statment E=mc^2 But no justification or testifying method will you believe it? No human will.. So we do have absolute truths but Quran itself challenges us to do a research on its teachings and find the truths by ourselves thats where we need science :)
@@kayda184Can you get me a statement from the Quran to help us advance science? Maybe a formula to solve quantum computing? Maybe a technique for 100% efficient energy usage?
God's word and God's world. Gotta love that one.
thanks for the video
That's as crazy as asking should Muslims believe in gravity.
Science is a branch of knowledge which is constantly learning and growing while Quran is a book of signs not science and is eternal word of Allah which will stay forever. In last 100 years science has improved a little to understand what Allah already said in Quran.There were people in the past who could determine their destiny and were overturned by Allah, modern science is no way near to that knowledge. Quran told about gravity 1400 yrs ago. A scientist with latest knowledge about embryology after reading Quran will side with Quran a few years back they didn't know anything about it.
Where did the Quran implied existence of Gravity ?
@God of Gaps give us one we’re listening and make sure it’s from the Quran not some random website… u won’t be able to. There’s no inconsistencies in Quran and it contains scientific knowledge which was impossible to know at that time. Divine revelation
God bless you suboor Ahmad, love u from kashmir,
I'm also from kashmir 🙂
Same im from kashmir too
hail satan!
@@accountlol7409 no
@@quokka_yt oh okay that works too,I thought people would get all angry
I could not understand the answer. Do anyone understand?
This guy NEVER gives a clear answer about evolution. If you yourself aren't sure, why are you increasing the confusion
I LOVE YOU ALLAH AND PROPHET MOHAMMED
As a biology student who was very interested in evolution, i left islam a few years ago.
There's no way evolution can be false. We have so much of evidence
You will be shocked to know, you don't need to leave Islam just because Evolution is true 🤡
You will be shocked to know, you don't need to leave Islam just because Evolution is true 🤡
@@user-cl9vv6gs6t Islam says first humans were Adam and Eve and Adam was created from clay.
In evolution there is no concept of first humans.
Evolution and creation story don't get along.
@@falinks7814 Adamic Exceptionalism has been the standard held position for a pretty long time by some Muslims given that it doesn't contravene any established tenants. The best English body of work on this, is by Prof. Shoaib Ahmed Malik, you can check him out.
tldr is that it's the proposition that Adam and eve were specially created (as per the apparent meaning of the Qur'an) but that scripture is silent on the existence of other evolved human lineages at the same time, it also makes use of tawaqquf
@fbng proof 😂 this then why do humans have neanderthal dna? That proves a subspecies of human being the homo genus in fact existed also being evolution existed and debunking the quran or the bible or any kinda adam or eve program
perfect!
Anyone whose assumptions based on priori can not be taken seriously