$89 Battery Powered Backpack Sprayer...Is It Any Good??

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  • čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
  • I thought I had a brand new backpack sprayer picked out but I didn't have time to wait for its arrival. In the meantime I found the cheapest battery powered backpack sprayer I could find and made the purchase. Is this Woekbon sprayer any good? Let's find out!
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  • @ryanknorrlawncare
    @ryanknorrlawncare  Před rokem +4

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    • @reality1958
      @reality1958 Před 9 měsíci

      Ryan I was looking for a review on your forever lawn sprayer. I am curious as to what battery lawn sprayer you recommend? Looking for a good sprayer that is quality and functions well. Advice?

    • @ryanknorrlawncare
      @ryanknorrlawncare  Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@reality1958I'm currently still using this one and haven't had any issues with it.

    • @reality1958
      @reality1958 Před 9 měsíci

      @@ryanknorrlawncareI see. Thank you. I was thinking of getting the Greenworks as it looks like a nice sprayer. Also, I have other Greenworks tools to swap out batteries with

  • @josephkersey7084
    @josephkersey7084 Před rokem +5

    I have the exact sprayer. 2 years & no problems.

  • @jaredtheurer
    @jaredtheurer Před rokem +11

    I would use a step bit or simple drill bit to minimally ream the nozzle cap peice in order to fit the teejet nozzles. I did this with the $19 Harbor Freight pump sprayer and it does quite well with the Teejets.

    • @BenNawrath
      @BenNawrath Před rokem

      I was thinking the me exact thing. I haven’t tried it on the harbor freight model but if that the only thing holding you back…

    • @brianconner1389
      @brianconner1389 Před rokem +1

      100% drill that out in 4 seconds. done!

    • @paulsmukalla5220
      @paulsmukalla5220 Před rokem +1

      Try to flip the nozzle around too. I had bought a different nozzle from another manufacturer for the My 4 sons sprayer I have and tried it like he did at first. It didn’t fit and I was just going to bore it out a bit. Before that I took the nozzle and inserted it from the opposite side just to make sure I wasn’t cocking it to one side and sure enough it fit. It looks exactly like the one he has.

    • @hustleeveryday5852
      @hustleeveryday5852 Před rokem

      I was thinking the exact same thing!

  • @briandugas
    @briandugas Před rokem +10

    Nice review! Also, glad to see I am not the only one who will rationalize the purchase of something on the cheap side to buy time while researching a much superior product. Harbor Freight is good for this purpose but I draw the limit around $25 and only if I know I can still use the cheaper product for jobs when I don’t want to corrupt my more expensive purchase.

    • @wayneessar7489
      @wayneessar7489 Před rokem +1

      If you go through a cheap sprayer with Teflon plumbers tape and a bit of dielectric grease, oil the piston part and check tightness on all the connections you will have a sprayer you can trust to not leak because 9 year old Chinese kids can't tighten connections tightly at their factory.

  • @anthonygomez7984
    @anthonygomez7984 Před rokem +6

    I’ve had really good luck with the powered ortho sprayer. Comes with some different fan tips and has comfortable straps.

  • @dvxAznxvb
    @dvxAznxvb Před rokem +5

    This is pretty good value since its battery operated; you can definitely get cheaper for pump backpacks than $80

  • @RandyKJohnson1031
    @RandyKJohnson1031 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the video. You topped me over the edge, so I bought one! Agree the tip that it comes with puts out to fine of a mist, so I will be ordering a TeeJet like you added.

  • @Hilfa-rb6uu
    @Hilfa-rb6uu Před rokem

    Field King ProMax is an excellent sprayer. Very nicely built for $200. Good spray pattern, quiet while using. Fairly heavy duty too. Just clean out after every use like you already do and should last quite a while.

  • @ajbaums5687
    @ajbaums5687 Před rokem +10

    Switch over the whole wand from your old sprayer

  • @lazarusgrey4866
    @lazarusgrey4866 Před rokem +2

    Another Sunday morning video drop 🙂☕️🌱. I’m thinking about getting a battery powered sprayer this year so I’m looking forward to seeing what you find out. By the way, the grass looks amazing 👍

  • @trevormuggeridge4560
    @trevormuggeridge4560 Před rokem +1

    First Aussie 😁. Ryan , you truly are the master of the lawn . It all happens on the Lawn Ranch . So when is the Moustache wearing mountain man coming to visit ? Long overdue . 🤠

  • @daviddennis7306
    @daviddennis7306 Před rokem

    I had that same issue with a Kobalt sprayer. Ended up take a drill bit and opening up the hole in the pieces that it came with just a touch. And now I am able to use all my Tee Jet tips with the Kobalt sprayer.

  • @vintagemotorcyclerepair4052

    I bought that same sprayer with a different name on it 3 years ago.
    I've used it all over my urban half acre.
    The only problem I've had is that the wand split up the side, so I bought a metal wand from Tractor Supply for a few bucks.
    It works well every time I need it.

  • @rustyfan89
    @rustyfan89 Před rokem

    I’ve been using the Petra tools hd4000 for the last few years and have been happy with, I don’t have a ton of experience with sprayers but I don’t have any complaints

  • @scottterry4590
    @scottterry4590 Před rokem

    Thanks for the content 👍.

  • @tjdjinn1983
    @tjdjinn1983 Před 11 měsíci

    Great video, I've been eyeballing this unit

  • @paulrogal3367
    @paulrogal3367 Před rokem

    Drop in sprayer into spreader like the lawn rebel is the way to go. Ordered yard mastery backpack sprayer last year. Figured let me spend the money and not worry. After a season I had to worry. Had some issues that I just didn’t want to deal with anymore. Ordered a 5 gallon tank and pulled the pump and battery from the backpack sprayer to build a sprayer rig.

  • @FreedomRock44
    @FreedomRock44 Před rokem

    I agree the width is great but it is real misty. Tip is key as you said!!!!

  • @terrywatts1060
    @terrywatts1060 Před rokem +1

    Thank you sir

  • @joogled3177
    @joogled3177 Před 9 měsíci

    Wow, good volume of spray

  • @rey3472
    @rey3472 Před rokem

    Fantastic illustration of the drift from a non air inducted fan tip. Bore out the front of the cap a little or else smooth it out with some sandpaper.

  • @joehuff1110
    @joehuff1110 Před rokem

    My4Brothers makes a nice 4 gallon battery sprayer. Definitely look into it. Nice set of accessories as well. I'd get a stainless spray handle like that one though

  • @kennycooperkc
    @kennycooperkc Před rokem +3

    I’m guessing you could drill out that fitting or even a rat tile file to make it slightly larger

  • @carlom9710
    @carlom9710 Před rokem +2

    Just literally looking at this sprayer last night. You should review a petra sprayer?

  • @notpeek63
    @notpeek63 Před rokem

    just had an accident in my front yard.. washed out the container but completely forgot the hose and the RoundUp nuked a nice little 3x2 area of my trophy lawn. My fescue was pristine and now I've got a dead spot from that so I'm reseeding right now in 90 degree weather. Fun times.

  • @paulsmukalla5220
    @paulsmukalla5220 Před rokem +2

    I did a fair amount of research on sprayers for a month or so and came across the my 4 sons sprayer. For still $100 less than the flo zone I have an in-tank agitator, 100psi pump,lithium battery(can also be purchased with adapters for and major tool brand battery), a large amount of tips, 14ft extendable wand for spraying in high places, and the upgraded all metal pistol grip spray wand. I’ve only used it a handful of times but so far I am very pleased with it. It also seems like almost every part on the thing is available for separate purchase in case anything breaks. “Buy once cry once” it was more than I wanted to spend but I honestly feel like it was a solid investment.
    Another big reason for the purchase was its very highly rated customer service. Something that’s very hard to find now a days.

  • @consciousness319
    @consciousness319 Před 5 měsíci

    It will be nice to show the assembly

  • @Lennymcgra
    @Lennymcgra Před rokem +4

    I messed about with a cheap sprayer last year but ended up just biting the bullet and buying a good one, saves so much time and effort and makes liquid feeding a joy to do.

  • @christianlarson6708
    @christianlarson6708 Před rokem

    Hey Ryan, with such a large area to spray, have you thought about making a sprayer on wheels with multiple heads like Connor built? Unless you enjoy getting your steps in, haha

  • @stevewoods816
    @stevewoods816 Před rokem

    Thanks!

  • @thatguy7705
    @thatguy7705 Před rokem +1

    Have you considered 3D printing an adapter? Thingiverse might already have a model for you. If not, the folks at the 515 Makers Space in DSM could probably help you.

  • @limki
    @limki Před 21 dnem

    Had this kind of sprayer (same tank, but the bottom part is slightly different) for years: had to replace the pump once (generic high pressure 12v pump with pressure switch) and the battery kept dying (probably long periods between use) so I tossed it and made an adapter for bosch 12v lithium - much lighter and just pops out for charging. Mine also has molded level markings on the side, but the water level is hard to see through the body so have to I align it with the sun.

  • @Bouchhhy
    @Bouchhhy Před rokem

    Take a drill bit with the correct diameter as the red t nozzle you want to use and drill the diameter a little bigger

  • @GeekMom50
    @GeekMom50 Před rokem

    Just a suggestion, know anybody that's handy with a 3d printer? Maybe they can use the tips u like and make a duplicate design which would fit the preferred tip design into the the design of the new sprayer. My daughter's friend made some doll shoes to fit some of her small dolls. Time was minimal, actually overnight and he has cameras monitoring 3d printer which notify him when job was complete. Just a thought. Mb a small sprayer might be of use if your wife needed to spray any plants planted outside the house. I am 67, 5ft female who detests pump sprayers, and would love a inexpensive, light weight, battery operated sprayer for spraying mixtures on my 2000 sq ft lawn. $15 1 gallon pump sprayers don't work are too heavy for me to pump and carry simultaneously. Think a backpack battery powered would be better 4 me. The one u bought interests me at the pricepoint. Certainly, would need tips modeled after a good set of tips. Don't like running chemicals thru sprayers that u directly attach to your tradiional hose either. Don't want 3yr old drinking water from a chemical contaminated hose either. Actually prefer she just drink water from a water bottle.

  • @ryanb5661
    @ryanb5661 Před rokem

    Have you tried using the wand from the old one instead so so you can use the Tjet?

  • @tjdjinn1983
    @tjdjinn1983 Před 11 měsíci

    If the old wand and gun won't thread on the new unit, good come you don't cut the hose and put a brass union w/ clamps to make it work?

  • @nightmarecivic
    @nightmarecivic Před rokem

    I have an older model of the same thing. I ended up swapping the entire wand to a metal one.

  • @LowEtsRock
    @LowEtsRock Před rokem

    That just looks like the orange version of the My4Sons sprayer, it definitely has that cheap chinesium material. It works good for basic spraying, but definitely not something you want to use often.

  • @peterscanlon9727
    @peterscanlon9727 Před rokem

    I just checked, 6/5 5:00pm and it’s only $79 now!

  • @adamenrightoffical
    @adamenrightoffical Před rokem

    Can you drill out the end so you can fit your tjet nozzles in?

  • @unpavedexplorer338
    @unpavedexplorer338 Před rokem

    Hello Ryan, what do you like better? A battery powered pressurized sprayer or battery powered siphon sprayer. Can you recommend 1 of each?

  • @2269tah
    @2269tah Před 5 měsíci

    You talked me into buying this one. I hope it works as good as yours!!

  • @fabes326
    @fabes326 Před rokem +1

    Try changing out the wand ?

  • @patricksquires6348
    @patricksquires6348 Před rokem

    Reamer the hole for fitting t-jet maybe?…

  • @capt_ramius
    @capt_ramius Před rokem +1

    Crazy how much it looks exactly like a certain brand of more-expensive sprayer that other content creators show on their channels… almost like they all come from the same factory in China and there’s no difference except for the brand label.

  • @MrAwesome3O5
    @MrAwesome3O5 Před rokem

    Hey. Is your ammonium sulfate a product that gets watered in or just sits on the grass blade

  • @jonathanatkinson1121
    @jonathanatkinson1121 Před rokem +1

    Try changing out to your old whole wand.

  • @josephtaylor3877
    @josephtaylor3877 Před měsícem

    Would of been nice to see the use of the adaptive nozzles

  • @dannaomif1255
    @dannaomif1255 Před rokem

    Just drill it out and use an O ring. That's what I did. Works fine for me

  • @sidparsons7170
    @sidparsons7170 Před rokem

    Would you have any experience with the Petra 4000 backpack sprayer?

  • @Golfexpertbelieveme
    @Golfexpertbelieveme Před rokem

    Which sprayer do you recommend?

  • @emmettmaguireiii5356
    @emmettmaguireiii5356 Před rokem +1

    Dude, get the Milwaukee change tank sprayer. You already have the batteries from your mower. I've put a few hours on mine and love it. Not cheap, but high quality and once you get multiple tanks you can keep your herbicides separate from your fertilizers easily. Love the channel, it's definitely made my lawn better!

    • @ryanknorrlawncare
      @ryanknorrlawncare  Před rokem

      I had one and didn't really like it. For some reason the tanks stopped working and I wasn't able to figure out why

    • @paulsmukalla5220
      @paulsmukalla5220 Před rokem +1

      Also a large amount of recent reviews on a few different store’s websites state the tanks leak. That’s why I didn’t get the Milwaukee sprayer.

    • @ramrod9187
      @ramrod9187 Před rokem +1

      Yep they leak, I’m looking for something else

    • @paulsmukalla5220
      @paulsmukalla5220 Před rokem

      @@ramrod9187 I ended up getting the my 4 sons backpack and am pleased with it. It’s comfortable and has a lot of options and wasn’t quite as expensive at the flow zone when I bought it on sale.

  • @OriginalAstroTard
    @OriginalAstroTard Před měsícem

    did you try loosening the head on that nozzle to see if that would change the pattern?

  • @chrishickson7684
    @chrishickson7684 Před rokem

    Ryan What would be your long term battery powered sprayer?

  • @cmajoen
    @cmajoen Před rokem

    I’d bet that is metric thread and I believe teejet is standard. You could just buy a teejet wand and cut off that other one

  • @92sawdust
    @92sawdust Před rokem

    Flowzone!!

  • @Brian-ov1rj
    @Brian-ov1rj Před rokem

    Ryan, how do you like the Tempest weather system? Is it accurate?

    • @ryanknorrlawncare
      @ryanknorrlawncare  Před rokem +1

      I love it. I don't have any other stations at my place to compare to obviously but it's fairly close in line with any of the national weather service readings for my location. I still use an old fashioned rain gauge down by my plots and it's also been close on those readings as well

  • @brandonkelly4580
    @brandonkelly4580 Před rokem

    What happened to the Sprayers Plus?

  • @Nick-js3xq
    @Nick-js3xq Před rokem

    What happened to the one you sell on your site? I bought one last year and had the pump go this year but the company honored the warranty and sent me a new pump. This weekend I was spraying and it was losing pressure as I sprayed. Hoping it was just from battery or clogged inlet as I cleaned it really well when I was done and charged up the battery so we will see next time out.

    • @ryanknorrlawncare
      @ryanknorrlawncare  Před rokem

      After winter this year I tried it and had a small crack in the tank

  • @tombtot86
    @tombtot86 Před rokem

    If possible swap out the spray head from one you like but don’t use much anymore

  • @fenceman53
    @fenceman53 Před rokem

    It’s safety orange so that makes it good , right?

  • @user-zh5py8db8y
    @user-zh5py8db8y Před rokem

    Nice

  • @kearatauch7921
    @kearatauch7921 Před 8 měsíci

    where can i get that sprayer what kind is Amazon has it ?

  • @patdud1979
    @patdud1979 Před rokem

    Get the new ridgid backpack sprayer with the lifetime service agreement 🤙

  • @ExcelCannabisLimited
    @ExcelCannabisLimited Před 2 měsíci

    20 year cannabis production here 👋 Our most important tool is our battery powered sprayers and we’ve used them all. If you’re serious about working with a decent sprayer, go with the ryobi 4 gallon sprayer. Has more than enough power and long lasting. Nice big opening so you can fit your meters in there to test ph and such. Take my advice and spend the extra $50 and get something that’s gonna last. We use these everyday and like I said, it’s our most important tool. These cheap Chinese ones will just make your life complicated in the long run

    • @ryanknorrlawncare
      @ryanknorrlawncare  Před 2 měsíci +1

      I've been using this one for over a year now with no issues so far. Glad you have something that works for you

  • @thomasfencil
    @thomasfencil Před rokem +1

    how you don't have a FlowZone is beyond me lol

  • @jonshifrin2275
    @jonshifrin2275 Před rokem

    Hey man I've seen in your other videos that you own a Milwaukee sprayer. I feel your pain as that thing is a huge piece of crap. The first 2 I bought leaked and the one I have now loses power... hands down the worst tool I have ever bought

  • @blenderbenderguy
    @blenderbenderguy Před 4 měsíci

    If it has an internal battery, is it replaceable?

  • @rubberBandDEO
    @rubberBandDEO Před rokem

    7:26 bout to make me act up

  • @dlandes14
    @dlandes14 Před rokem

    Seems like that tip just needs drilled out a bit and you'd be good to go. Looks like it was just getting caught up on the lip of it

  • @regisrumpf6658
    @regisrumpf6658 Před rokem

    What happened to your effortless sprayer?

  • @benjaminleslie3155
    @benjaminleslie3155 Před 11 měsíci

    A Hudson never pump clone. Very interesting.

  • @thechardestyiv
    @thechardestyiv Před rokem

    maybe try and change out the whole wand not just the tip?

  • @JamieHarveyJr
    @JamieHarveyJr Před rokem

    Just got one and had a tip that worked with my tee-jet nozzle really well. So far the only thing I don’t like is the seal on the top lid. I reached down to grab something and got drenched with product! Other than that, I actually like everything else better than my Sprayers Plus 105ex! Shockingly.

    • @ryanknorrlawncare
      @ryanknorrlawncare  Před rokem

      Yeah my lid doesn't fit the best either but overall not bad for the money!

  • @stash7714
    @stash7714 Před rokem

    So you are only spoon feeding .08 or .15? I thought usually it’s .2 or .25 N every two weeks? You obviously have great results so I’m not trying to say otherwise, just curious if I’m correct or wrong.

    • @ryanknorrlawncare
      @ryanknorrlawncare  Před rokem +1

      Yeah with equalizorr we are able to get a better response out of less product. I have found just the right amount of growth and consistent color out of those recommended rates

    • @stash7714
      @stash7714 Před rokem

      @@ryanknorrlawncare I appreciate the explanation. Thanks

  • @christianlarson6708
    @christianlarson6708 Před rokem

    Ryan. Not sure you’ll see this or not, but it’s unrelated to this video you posted. I’ve been flirting with the idea of a swardman.. do you still use yours, and would you recommend it or no? Any insight is helpful. Thanks!

    • @ryanknorrlawncare
      @ryanknorrlawncare  Před rokem

      With the loss of Reel Rollers supporting them I don't know who would really be the go to so it hasn't been the same since.

    • @christianlarson6708
      @christianlarson6708 Před rokem

      @@ryanknorrlawncare that’s unfortunate. I’ve watched a few reviews on the swardman and it appears to be an elite machine with some not so elite issues. It’s a lot of money, but I’m not sure of a better alternative. Thanks for the response.

  • @johnjrkean7008
    @johnjrkean7008 Před rokem

    Take a dremel and shave the inner circle of the plastic bushing shell fit like a glove problem solved 🤙🏼

  • @johnholm8175
    @johnholm8175 Před rokem +1

    Could you just cut the hose and couple your old handle to it

  • @danieldelacruz9406
    @danieldelacruz9406 Před měsícem

    Magkano at saan makakabili sa shopee. ba

  • @shareemibitsfala5534
    @shareemibitsfala5534 Před rokem

    Where in the world is Connor Ward?

  • @terryreed1498
    @terryreed1498 Před rokem +9

    Get you a flow zone typhoon you will not regret the 300 they are the absolute best

    • @johnfetter3252
      @johnfetter3252 Před rokem

      Couldn't agree more. Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?

    • @johnnelwhite
      @johnnelwhite Před rokem

      Yes you are correct I have the cyclone for my 2500 sq ft yard and I could not be more happier.

    • @perper17
      @perper17 Před rokem

      And add the dewalt/Milwaukee adapter right away,

    • @baxt1412
      @baxt1412 Před rokem

      @@perper17don’t like the idea of potentially killing my battery and expensive sprayer. There are microprocessors in the batteries that are meant to interplay only with like products to achieve best performance and longevity

  • @kevinshepard1748
    @kevinshepard1748 Před rokem

    Looks very close to a My 4 Sons clone

  • @driver_7x
    @driver_7x Před rokem

    Looks like a bad My4Sons Clone

  • @awag55
    @awag55 Před rokem

    First

  • @frios011
    @frios011 Před měsícem

    I’m so sick of you guys knocking the less expensive stuff when you know damn well that it will be that way! As long as it gets the job done who cares about the other stuff! BOOHOOHOO!

  • @richardgleason5953
    @richardgleason5953 Před rokem +4

    I fully understand not wanting to spend a lot of money and get it fast. OK, fine. My issue is why Americans keep buying made in China stuff. By doing that , we are supporting our enemy. China is itching to overtake us, and be the #1 world player. I quit buying made in China stuff (a couple of years ago) wherever possible.

    • @CR-ow2wp
      @CR-ow2wp Před rokem

      Do you have a link to a sprayer with no Chinese parts and has no components assembled in China?
      I believe even the FlowZone sprayers have at least some Chinese-sourced parts because it's difficult or cost prohibitive to try to get them anywhere else.