Peter has bad luck yes, but he's also been way too popular with the ladies, not to mention he's at least made out with at least.. two of his Rogues gallery. Black Cat and Silver Sable, both of which fell in love with him as well. So it's bad, but a chaotic good as well
That was true, back then he was just a normal kid and now he became famous and manage to get every girl he can find just like Peter Parker did, except the difference was that Ben married to Kai while Peter lost Mary jane
I’m not gonna get into the Julie or Kai drama, instead I’m just gonna state what I wish would’ve happened. After all these years, I wish Ben would have ended up dating an alien and that character would have been his “endgame” relationship. Ester, Looma, and Attea were nice little bits of that but of course the show had to treat two of those as gags and the other got royally screwed over. I mean, his human relationships haven’t been that great and if Grandpa Max can date two aliens and have healthy relationships with both of them then why can’t Ben??
@@Jaded_Jinx I love that idea! And imagine if they first meet as enemies and he has to fight her as Alien X (that way we could see which species is stronger)
It's a shame this show has so many love interests, but never nailed any of them. Julie was great at the start, but later became extremely toxic to create tension. Ester is great but didn't show enough of their relationship and basically slowly dies off screen. Kai is a good character. But has so much of her interaction just fighting Ben that made me hate her. There's no chemistry between them Luma and Atea are just a gag. So there's not much to examine there
Yeah I think Ben 10 doesn’t hanndle romance well when it comes to Ben himself , the only canon couple together and that’s healthy is Gwen and Kevin , ig I agree with you there too we didn’t see much of Julie’s personality besides tennis girl I would want a it’s not easy being Julie episode like Gwen had in alien force , i would have liked her more and eveyone too
Elena was a wasted romantic interest, I think even Kuro mentioned how she being introduced into AF S3 and slowly getting closer to Ben , thus a breakup between him and Julie would have been better handled
Ben did had a lot of love luck and later in the Ben 10 omniverse it was showing that Ben and Kai from the classic were in love and married in the future. Even though I saw how Ben was in love with Julie back then, but it didn't work out well. So therefore, Ben had to find other girls who like him and it was a challenge to Ben. And this point, Ben could've literally had a harem, but it never happened
Ken Tennyson who was Ben's future son doesn't want Julie, Elena, or Jennifer to be his new mother in the future except Ester where she knows about Ben and Kai should be destined together and Eunice who was only to be Ben's cousin-figure created from Gwen's DNA. So it was perfect that Ken's mother should be Kai but the only way Ben would have a future son is to be with Kai Green permanently after he finally breaks up with Julie while his cousin Gwen will never caught and annoy their relationship with Kai again until future.
Ben and Julie were honestly never meant to be endgame they were destined to Fail. As Both of them had obligations and responsibilities Julie had a tennis dreams and Ben had his heroing. Ben and Kai were dull, boring and forced as hell they lacked any real chemistry. The writers forced together to follow the canon of the original series which they didn't have to as Ben's future isn't set in stone. Elena had a lot of potential to be a great and tragic love interest but the writers fumbled the bag. The only people i could see Ben ending up with are between Looma and Esther or Attea. I mean Looma and Esther are both naturally skilled warriors who can defend themselve. There both aliens and could relate to Ben and help broaden his insight into his forms. Since both are leaders of there own people they can understand Ben's hero responsibilities and allegiance to earth. Same applies to Attea , these relationships have a lot of story potential as well as romantic potential. How would the people of earth react to there hero marrying the incursion princess?
Ben certainly had a complex track record of love interests with none of them ever fully working out. Though it’s questionable if Ben and Kai actually end up together in the future or is merely just one possible outcome of a future Ben who was able to make it work with Kai.
The problem with giving Ben a love interest is that if you want it to work you need to let the character reach some form of emotional maturity, which is something CN has always been against because they every series to be like Classic.
There's a reason why people prefer Ben with Estaer, they both gel well together (it helps that their VAs are married) and it was a nice change after the writers screw his and Julie's relationship. But with Kai, they just mader her so unlikable when she reappear in Omniverse, she and Ben spent most of their time on screen together fighting and insulting each other, mostly on Kai's end. The writers could've made their relationship interesting but didn't, instead they had them be together because "fate said so."
I always felt Ester was the right choice for Ben and it'll be a funny nod to how Max had a thing for alien women, sort of like an apple doesn't fall far from the tree thing. Kai just felt forced and in truth the whole destiny thing because *FuTUrE* never made sense for Ben 10 as it's very much established that Bens future changes and isn't set in stone. There are literally 3 different future Bens. They made this whole hate love dynamic with Kai being heavily tsundere which to me also felt slightly forced as she was never like that in Classic. Julie and Bens relationship was always getting rocky with at points it felt like they would've just broken it off. Then the last two love interests never felt like serious ones anyway but more gags for Ben to deal with women problems.
Im not into non-canon shipping within fandoms, but BenxRook is the only relationship with Ben that actually sense to me within both the fandom and official continuity which says a lot about how romance is written in the shows lol (except gwen and kevin, their the best relationship in whole series)
Kai is part of a greater problem of Omniverse ( and the later seasons make this painfully obvious ) Trying to get as close as they can to the original ben 10K timeline as possible with the developments UAF & OV made - Which was only meant to be a *possible future* in classic and not Ben's endgame. It annoys me that Ester was shafted over this because Ben and Ester have the best chemistery out of any couple in the show, she doesn't get in ben's way, their voice actors are married already which lends it's self to the preformances and they're both ( technically ) alien hybrids , Ester being half human and Ben being 1/4th Anodite ( Yes I know he doesn't have " The Spark " ) It also just plays into a trope that I hate in both anime & western animation of the protaganist ending up with their childhood crush or first love interest they run into, it also doesn't help that more often that not when this trope is used the character the protaganist ends up with has very little development or chemistery with the protaganist before the timeskip.
To be very honest every love Interests of ben aside from a couple of exceptions i will make are either due to his status as hero or the fact that he unintentionally fumbles the bags due to his responsibilities,Kai and Julie are prime examples of each Spectrum Kai only cared for ben due him being linked to her people's and grandfathers legend of the Yenodshi which is revealed to be an Alien Werewolf which shot that ship down until she was reintroduce in Omniverse Julie is the other point i made with Ben either not being there for her due to wanting to multiple things at the same time like when he used echo echo to clone himself or he forgets things like what initially start their break up in the first place.Now the choices i would make fall upon Ester or Looma because one both are of alien heritage so they can relate to ben via his Transformations and second they understand Ben role on earth and each of them are honor bound to serve their people as well and it turns out even when we have something like that the producers want to ship ben with females he only met once in his life
To me I always prefer Julie, Kai was stuck up but thats just me. I would like one timeline Ben 10k got with Julie and he's more laid back and mature, while Ben10k with Kai is more outgoing and cocky at times that would been a good episode.
I think people really ignore how toxic Julie was. Incredibly selfish putting virtue signaling that she was a "good person" or a good tennis player over literally people's lives. She often belittled been for being a hero. Kai is at least implied to be a hero in her own right. The way they wrote her always felt like there was another story going on in the background and she was just cameo in Ben 10. So she should have either gotten more screen time or her own spin-off show that showed why she was so hostile towards Ben. Maybe she's a closet fan girl so admitting it was embarrassing? Maybe her work as a plumber dungeon explorer gave her no time for romance so she daydreamed about Ben 10's attention? I don't know. But it's at least implied there more there. Julie literally has ...nothing. She just whines and complains. Makes problems like Dagon worst. Selfishly fights Ben for being a hero. But somehow Ben's the bad one for wanting to see a movie the show foreshadowed super early on meaning his plans to see it predated her tennis game. Also given the context that at the Time Cartoon Network was trying to build an animated Universe of multiple shows including Secret Saturdays and Generator Rex I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they had secretly had a Kai show planned in the background that never kicked off because there's A LOT of story missing there.
That’s mostly due to the character assassination and her getting frustrated with Ben but yeah, it was mostly due to character assassination loved Julie Ben has been but Ben started reverting back into his 10-year-old self due to Cartoon Network
She maybe develop feelings for Ben yh she had like blitzwolfer before but she started liking for who he is. To bad she their relationship got develop off screen
Ben has that Parker luck
Peter Parker?
@@adeeb1876 yep
Peter has bad luck, Ben kinda just does it to himself
Peter has bad luck yes, but he's also been way too popular with the ladies, not to mention he's at least made out with at least.. two of his Rogues gallery. Black Cat and Silver Sable, both of which fell in love with him as well. So it's bad, but a chaotic good as well
That was true, back then he was just a normal kid and now he became famous and manage to get every girl he can find just like Peter Parker did, except the difference was that Ben married to Kai while Peter lost Mary jane
I’m not gonna get into the Julie or Kai drama, instead I’m just gonna state what I wish would’ve happened. After all these years, I wish Ben would have ended up dating an alien and that character would have been his “endgame” relationship. Ester, Looma, and Attea were nice little bits of that but of course the show had to treat two of those as gags and the other got royally screwed over. I mean, his human relationships haven’t been that great and if Grandpa Max can date two aliens and have healthy relationships with both of them then why can’t Ben??
You may have a point here.
@@mechajay3358 right?!
For plus points and as parallels to Max, imagine if Ben's true endgame love interest ends up as an Anodite too
@@Jaded_Jinx I love that idea! And imagine if they first meet as enemies and he has to fight her as Alien X (that way we could see which species is stronger)
It's a shame this show has so many love interests, but never nailed any of them.
Julie was great at the start, but later became extremely toxic to create tension.
Ester is great but didn't show enough of their relationship and basically slowly dies off screen.
Kai is a good character. But has so much of her interaction just fighting Ben that made me hate her. There's no chemistry between them
Luma and Atea are just a gag. So there's not much to examine there
Yeah I think Ben 10 doesn’t hanndle romance well when it comes to Ben himself , the only canon couple together and that’s healthy is Gwen and Kevin , ig I agree with you there too we didn’t see much of Julie’s personality besides tennis girl I would want a it’s not easy being Julie episode like Gwen had in alien force , i would have liked her more and eveyone too
Yeah he’s had a lot of love interests like Peter Parker
Except its even more poorly written
Elena was a wasted romantic interest, I think even Kuro mentioned how she being introduced into AF S3 and slowly getting closer to Ben , thus a breakup between him and Julie would have been better handled
If julie had a more interesting personality she couldve been the best.
So ester would be the best choice.
Ah yes my favorite part of any superhero media, the relationship drama.
In my fan fic it will show Ben and Kai’s relationship grows
Ben did had a lot of love luck and later in the Ben 10 omniverse it was showing that Ben and Kai from the classic were in love and married in the future. Even though I saw how Ben was in love with Julie back then, but it didn't work out well. So therefore, Ben had to find other girls who like him and it was a challenge to Ben. And this point, Ben could've literally had a harem, but it never happened
Ken Tennyson who was Ben's future son doesn't want Julie, Elena, or Jennifer to be his new mother in the future except Ester where she knows about Ben and Kai should be destined together and Eunice who was only to be Ben's cousin-figure created from Gwen's DNA. So it was perfect that Ken's mother should be Kai but the only way Ben would have a future son is to be with Kai Green permanently after he finally breaks up with Julie while his cousin Gwen will never caught and annoy their relationship with Kai again until future.
Ben and Julie were honestly never meant to be endgame they were destined to Fail. As Both of them had obligations and responsibilities Julie had a tennis dreams and Ben had his heroing. Ben and Kai were dull, boring and forced as hell they lacked any real chemistry. The writers forced together to follow the canon of the original series which they didn't have to as Ben's future isn't set in stone. Elena had a lot of potential to be a great and tragic love interest but the writers fumbled the bag. The only people i could see Ben ending up with are between Looma and Esther or Attea. I mean Looma and Esther are both naturally skilled warriors who can defend themselve. There both aliens and could relate to Ben and help broaden his insight into his forms. Since both are leaders of there own people they can understand Ben's hero responsibilities and allegiance to earth. Same applies to Attea , these relationships have a lot of story potential as well as romantic potential. How would the people of earth react to there hero marrying the incursion princess?
Wish Reboot Ben got a Love Interest 😢
I think it’s a good thing he didn’t
He doesn't have to it would be a mess like the original continuity relationships
Ben certainly had a complex track record of love interests with none of them ever fully working out. Though it’s questionable if Ben and Kai actually end up together in the future or is merely just one possible outcome of a future Ben who was able to make it work with Kai.
The problem with giving Ben a love interest is that if you want it to work you need to let the character reach some form of emotional maturity, which is something CN has always been against because they every series to be like Classic.
why
There's a reason why people prefer Ben with Estaer, they both gel well together (it helps that their VAs are married) and it was a nice change after the writers screw his and Julie's relationship.
But with Kai, they just mader her so unlikable when she reappear in Omniverse, she and Ben spent most of their time on screen together fighting and insulting each other, mostly on Kai's end.
The writers could've made their relationship interesting but didn't, instead they had them be together because "fate said so."
I always felt Ester was the right choice for Ben and it'll be a funny nod to how Max had a thing for alien women, sort of like an apple doesn't fall far from the tree thing.
Kai just felt forced and in truth the whole destiny thing because *FuTUrE* never made sense for Ben 10 as it's very much established that Bens future changes and isn't set in stone. There are literally 3 different future Bens.
They made this whole hate love dynamic with Kai being heavily tsundere which to me also felt slightly forced as she was never like that in Classic.
Julie and Bens relationship was always getting rocky with at points it felt like they would've just broken it off.
Then the last two love interests never felt like serious ones anyway but more gags for Ben to deal with women problems.
Exactly that's what I've been saying
Im not into non-canon shipping within fandoms, but BenxRook is the only relationship with Ben that actually sense to me within both the fandom and official continuity which says a lot about how romance is written in the shows lol (except gwen and kevin, their the best relationship in whole series)
Kai is part of a greater problem of Omniverse ( and the later seasons make this painfully obvious ) Trying to get as close as they can to the original ben 10K timeline as possible with the developments UAF & OV made - Which was only meant to be a *possible future* in classic and not Ben's endgame.
It annoys me that Ester was shafted over this because Ben and Ester have the best chemistery out of any couple in the show, she doesn't get in ben's way, their voice actors are married already which lends it's self to the preformances and they're both ( technically ) alien hybrids , Ester being half human and Ben being 1/4th Anodite ( Yes I know he doesn't have " The Spark " )
It also just plays into a trope that I hate in both anime & western animation of the protaganist ending up with their childhood crush or first love interest they run into, it also doesn't help that more often that not when this trope is used the character the protaganist ends up with has very little development or chemistery with the protaganist before the timeskip.
Absolutely agree
To be very honest every love Interests of ben aside from a couple of exceptions i will make are either due to his status as hero or the fact that he unintentionally fumbles the bags due to his responsibilities,Kai and Julie are prime examples of each Spectrum Kai only cared for ben due him being linked to her people's and grandfathers legend of the Yenodshi which is revealed to be an Alien Werewolf which shot that ship down until she was reintroduce in Omniverse Julie is the other point i made with Ben either not being there for her due to wanting to multiple things at the same time like when he used echo echo to clone himself or he forgets things like what initially start their break up in the first place.Now the choices i would make fall upon Ester or Looma because one both are of alien heritage so they can relate to ben via his Transformations and second they understand Ben role on earth and each of them are honor bound to serve their people as well and it turns out even when we have something like that the producers want to ship ben with females he only met once in his life
To me I always prefer Julie, Kai was stuck up but thats just me. I would like one timeline Ben 10k got with Julie and he's more laid back and mature, while Ben10k with Kai is more outgoing and cocky at times that would been a good episode.
Unironically like looma the best (because im based)
yeah i think they could have work things out
I think people really ignore how toxic Julie was. Incredibly selfish putting virtue signaling that she was a "good person" or a good tennis player over literally people's lives. She often belittled been for being a hero.
Kai is at least implied to be a hero in her own right. The way they wrote her always felt like there was another story going on in the background and she was just cameo in Ben 10. So she should have either gotten more screen time or her own spin-off show that showed why she was so hostile towards Ben. Maybe she's a closet fan girl so admitting it was embarrassing? Maybe her work as a plumber dungeon explorer gave her no time for romance so she daydreamed about Ben 10's attention? I don't know. But it's at least implied there more there.
Julie literally has ...nothing. She just whines and complains. Makes problems like Dagon worst. Selfishly fights Ben for being a hero.
But somehow Ben's the bad one for wanting to see a movie the show foreshadowed super early on meaning his plans to see it predated her tennis game.
Also given the context that at the Time Cartoon Network was trying to build an animated Universe of multiple shows including Secret Saturdays and Generator Rex I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they had secretly had a Kai show planned in the background that never kicked off because there's A LOT of story missing there.
That’s mostly due to the character assassination and her getting frustrated with Ben but yeah, it was mostly due to character assassination loved Julie Ben has been but Ben started reverting back into his 10-year-old self due to Cartoon Network
facts, ever since S2 Alien Force, Julie was shown like that
They should make why Kai like Ben after classic series she reject Ben
People change a lot between the ages of 10 and 16. A high schooler is not the same person they were in 5th grade.
She maybe develop feelings for Ben yh she had like blitzwolfer before but she started liking for who he is. To bad she their relationship got develop off screen
Hope you'll have a good day
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Julie was too good for him.
That’s what we can all agree on.
Julie is too good for him but he's too good for kai
@@hughjazz6300Mayhaps, Kanye Bear. Mayhaps.
@@user-tw3rh9po4t I feel like Ester woulda been the best option although my two favorites were Julie and Ester
Kai is a classical annoying girlfriend of every superhero had ban deserve better
Julie was the best
Omniverse ruined everything
bro always has terrible tastes
Yh she was but ben was doesn't derserve jullie
Julie had like no personality tho …
I hate the most dangerous game show,heck EVEN my friends and my mother Said to NOT watch this episode
i dont think it was that bad
The voice actor of ben wrote that episode
@@rondo3800 ok so
@@rondo3800 gross