MASSIVE ARGUMENT: Fragile Tottenham - Who Is Ange Talking About?
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5th in his first season is excellent. I hope he gets backed by the club and takes us further
We still might need a point.
We’re not 5th - we need a point at SU as Chelsea will win on Sunday - if we lose at SU Chelsea will go 5th on GD - then if MU win cup final they get the other Europa place which leaves us with Conf League! We’re not out the crap yet - we need 1 point - SU won’t be easy!
I don’t think 5th is excellent,
We hardly had any games to our normal schedule
But it’s acceptable
But start next season poorly he’ll be gone
@@scottp4547 5th in the 1st years in the best league in the world is VERY good. People had us finishing 10th in the begining, and the teams above us are not 1st year manager either (besides villa they are 4+).
@@TrevorAngelif we can’t beat Sheffield utd the worst prem team in history than we are horrendous
savva left youtube and came back the same person, loves his own voice
As humble as they come
If you're a true supporter you never want your team to loose.
yes i am not a true fan i just go to every game,what fans say does not effect what goes on the pitch.
@@Security848 I think that fans in the stadium DO affect the result on the pitch. You just need to look at stats on home versus away win percentages.
@@Cecil-yc6mc can do sometimes but man city havent lost since dec 6th we are not playing wel.
Silly comment
Johnny and Savva are always myopic and negative in their comments.
Spot on...2 cheeks of the same backside.
They live in the real world. Reality . Not Dreamworld
2 clowns
It wasn't just Spurs fans wishing City to win , many CZcams bloggers have been intimating it for days.
Just based on the way this conversation was held, I seriously dislike Jonny and Sava. Stringing together intricate negativity webs of hand picked details ignoring injuries, suspensions, and the loss of Kane, the loss of two of our three starting mids for internationals, and any other admissions that the season was anything other than ideal. Interpreting Ange’s words in the most negative way they can. Crying victim when Paul so much as made a face while they were ranting. Then in the next breath, shouting him down every 30 seconds when he tries to speak. At the end of the day, these guys are the problem. Any one who doesn’t share their hysterical negativity must certainly be an idiot and can’t be allowed to speak or much less enjoy a team that has any flaws or shortcomings whatsoever.
What’s Johnny’s beef with Ange?
I’ve been wondering the same thing. I feel like a mate of his might be up for the top job if Ange leaves?
Simple. He supports Rangers and can’t admit Ange cooked them for 3 seasons.
Johnnys got no connections he’s all talk.
Season ticket holder and was at the game.
Honestly, the early atmosphere was quiet, but we were playing ManC. There was support for the team… but there was a group think chant, starting in the South Stand when City scored, both times… I put that down to irony as you say.
BUT agree 100% with Ange. Honestly this season the 12th man has been the most inconsistent performer this year. From singing we’ve got our Tottenham back to this (general) fan mentality has been a horrendous fall.
We only sing when we are winning, and we blame everyone in the club except ourselves as fans.
Ange can’t change the mentality of the team with a spineless, fickle stadium full of fans.
How long before Savva slags off Lucas Bergvall next season?
Savva soap box 😅
Yet he was right about every player he slaged off u prick lol
@@TottenPonchon he was right about every single one
I don't know, but we need to stop writing off players, then see then do well in Europe with other teams.
@@BohemianRaichulike Bryan gil, Spence, N’gie, N’Kundu, Sessegnon, Jack Clarke
Pep Guardiolas comments on Ange after the game completely nukes Johnny and Savvs arguments.
Those blokes say they speak facts but they never do . I thought Spurs were finishing 17th the were they were carrying on .
You lot really spend your days mad at Savva for speaking the truth, huh?
😂😂😂
@@kmdreacts Savva lost all credibility that day he was blind drunk being a clown
Paul's point was simple: a fan of a club does not want them to lose. If you wanted Shitty to win on Tuesday, you're not a Spurs fan. That's it.
Fans need to have a fucking good look at themselves.
ANGE OUT
Agreed. They really need to stop filling out a 60000 stadium weekly and buying merchandise until this bottle club can win more than just 2 Mickey Mouse cups in 30 years. 91 was the last real trophy of note. Don’t worry though, levy has done great with the finances. And we’ve got a race track.
Ange first . Lost 5 out of 6 games . Here comes Sean with his excuses...
Jonny’s pathetic. Maybe Tottenham Away would suit him better! Irrelevant!
You’re pathetic. Jonny’s right.
Johnny H and Savva are exactly.... exactly ....my views I'm a STH and 50 years a Supporter
Ange has called out every loser in the fan base. If you are unhappy with Ange it’s because you are part of the problem.
Time to think like winners.
Honestly you make being a spurs fan very hard for Australians - harden up and just be thankful Ange is willing to fix your club.
I’ve never seen such a spineless whinging mentality.
True supporters support.
Cry alone in private if you’re unhappy with Ange.
He’s kicking ass at the start of this rebuild - just be thankful of how far you’ve already come in such a short space of time without a full squad.. or get a local loser manager like Southgate.
Please Sean savva & Johnny get new guest On it’s just getting boring hearing these 2 going over & over the same thing love your channel But with these 2 you need 2 freshen it up before they ruin your channel 🙏🏻
Ur boring with ur acceptance of 0 titles in 26 years u prick
The panel is missing a funder mental fact, Ange has stated there needs to be changes with the current players. To suggest why we did not finish well towards the end of the season is based on the current players he has which are unable to perform the Ange ball. It is that simple. Give him the tools he will perform beyond expectations.
Im quitting because of Jonny ✌️
Yep he should go and join stelois. Both flogs with no understanding of rebuilds.
I'm not a fan. I avoid TTS when Jonny and Savva are on.
he's clearly not very bright.
Loser
Anyone who believes that Ange would have been handed an extra £60m for securing a Champs League place are living in cloud cuckoo land
It's extremely naive to think an extra 60 million(assuming we would even make it to the QFs) would be going anywhere near the team.
It's actually kind of sad that the arguement in favour of qualifying for the CL basically comes down to finances, because we've got no chance of winning it, but at the same time some of us are wrong for not wanting woolwich to fail.
It would have been a perfect opportunity to make an assessment on Levy’s intentions at least. Now we don’t have to worry about that at all. He doesn’t need to back the club’s ambitions if the fans don’t.
It’s easier to attract better players
@@dfinch7804 We have 20+ years of Levy's intentions, and one more season in the CL isn't going to suddenly change him.
I have a few questions:
Why do the fans lack ambition in the first place?
And what kind of owner decideds not to invest because fans want to see their rivals fail?
@@Pwnziillaaaa And yet woolwich, newcastle, and others have managed to attract better players without he CL over the last few seasons.
Do Spurs even have a record of signing better players when they qualify for the CL?
Sean your a top bloke with a good heart. You speak a lot of sense with context and understanding...savva and jonny are just 2 cheeks of the same backside.
Less than 2 minutes in and you’re blaming Ange?
There’s plenty of footage of inside the stadium showing our ‘fans’. Shocking behaviour. Stop trying to justify it.
16th in the form table in the last 27 games, say what you want about the fans behaviour in the city game but they aren’t to blame for why we haven’t got anything to play for.
Because the squads not fit for purpose and had excessive injuries. It’s a building process which isn’t unknown. Ange certainly isn’t to blame. 5th in his first season with this squad is overachieving!
I never want us to lose regard of the implications. Support and back the club, no need to worry what other clubs are doing, focus on ourselves!👍👍
ANGE OUT
@@richardjames123 so you advocate start the process yet again and stay on the merry go round of ever changing managers??? I guess it suits your agenda with the owners! You are entitled to your opinion, but like so many of the Levy/Ange out brigade, SHOUT very loudly, yet offer absolutely no solutions!
@@SpursGCTV Yep, much better than proceeding with this embarrassment. 16th in the form table in 2024. 11th in his last 28 games. This is not a small sample, it’s most of his season. Not reactionary. His denial of issues, signing terrible players and childish reactions in pressers is enough for me now. It’s clear to me nothing will change with this manager. I’m sick of changing managers too. But let’s be real, this is not it.
@@richardjames123yes, end of season has been poor, that I cannot deny. However, a large part of that can be landed at the feet of the players. Only 1/3 of the squad are his signings so until he has had time to increase that it’s far too early to condemn. As for the pressers, no manager will admit there are issues or thro individuals under the bus, just not professional. Also, modern day journalists generally ask loaded questions to provoke a response and create controversy purely for click bait. If you or I had to face that on a weekly basis, I’m sure it would wear thin pretty quickly! He needs time and his players (some of current squad were signed under Poch). Only after next season can we really be in a position to comment about his future!
39:14 no laughing allowed! 😭😭😭
Wah wah 😂
Jonny and Savva have their own opinions. I don't happen to agree with them.
I work with a guy who thinks he's the best at what we do he has delusions of grandeur Savva and Jonny fall into this bracket.
I'm! Out unsubscribed reason? Jonny putting the blame on Ange are you are joking
sorry Sean
The Tottenham fans' response to Ange's comment... proves his point of how fragile this club is
the 60 mil from finishing fourth would not be spent on top players, but on Hotels.
Agreed. Was looking at our transfers the last time we made it…. Richarlison, Bissouma, Romero (obligation to buy after the initial loan), Spence, Udogie, Perisic and then Porro on loan. Doesn’t exactly scream ‘crème de la creme’ does it?
Because Tottenham have only spent £270m since Postecoglou arrived.
@@dereksmith6126 no we haven’t. Do you want to go and check your figures again? I can assure you we have not spent £270m since he arrived
Sean, you need to freshen up your channel by allowing fresh opinions to be aired before it goes stale
No wonder Savva isn't on other channels anymore. He just waffles.
Johnny takes everything personally if you disagree with him. He will say, he doesnt take it personally BUT….
Your show Sean. You can't let Sav dominate the chat the way he does. His opinion is valid but give others a chance
And if Ange was specific there would be a big noise of irreconcilable differences with Levy, the hyper-sensitive precious fans who can't be questioned etc who'll then respond with the usual "he's got to go" "he doesn't understand us or what Tottenham means". Get it straight, he left it hanging in the air because he's not as blunt and hot-headed as Conte but if some folk's intuition and intellect aren't quite attuned to each other, then I think it's something like this, he sees exactly what Conte saw. Unlike Conte I believe he relishes the challenge, it's what's made him who he is so far.
Of course if the fans are offended by him alluding to them in the wretched fragile culture at our club, throw him out and start the whole cycle again with Mr Levy getting the next stooge in. Start singing a new ode to the new stooge to the words of that busker in the stadium after a couple of victories in September, with Ange's name added to our other recent managers disparagingly in the lyrics and go through the usual pontificating spiel about players, tactics, deadwood, "he needs 3 transfer windows" etc in the online forums ad nauseum. Same time next year folks?
Couldn’t have put it better 👏👏. Do I agree with everything Ange does/say ?? No However I still think he is the best thing to walk thru the door this century at Spurs.
I love that he has this much passion and a good dose of prick in him.
Wow!! use some bloody common sense Jonny!! Anyone who has an ounce of it, Knows what he's talking about. To many "Ange in" But?
A bunch of hypocritical people. Son has lost form. Fact Maddison has not regained form since his injury. Fact
Not a single recognised left back in the team. Fact
Bissouma has been dropped by Mali, and he is struggling at Spurs. Fact Kulusevski and Johnson are off the pace as well. Fact Show me our first or second choice left winger? Yet we expect us to beat Liverpool, arsenal ,City , Newcastle and Chelsea. Give me a break
He could have beaten wolves home or away. Or that disgusting Fulham game or perhaps beat villa at home. There’s 9-12 points. Another 3 if he had not set up for such a tepid and weak first half against arsenal. That’s 15 and doing arsenal over personally. There was many opportunities to gain those extra champions league points.
Jonny doesn't like ange because he's a rangers fan,and savva is the most negative fan ever,looks for the negatives in every situation 😊
It’s tough to see the lack of willingness to hear out the perspectives of others (seemingly without conscious thought). The number of times a general statement was taken personally without anyone actually saying anything about them is maddening.
Savva is on CZcams more now than before he gave it up ! Utterly ridiculous
Ange didn't say that he didn't care about getting into CL. He said that he didn't care about talking about/the battle for a CL place.
Savva out
Who has Spurs bought with that CL money over all these years when we did get CL? Arguably all our "better" players were bought when we had Europa Conference league or no Europe at all. Spurs don't need more money they just needed better recruitment.
Paul is a saint. Jonny and Sava get about 10 minutes at a time where sean can’t so much as make a face while they’re stringing together their intricate narratives but he can’t speak for 30 seconds without getting shouted down.
To be fair Paul was the only one shouting in this video. Didn’t like the way Johnny conducted himself particularly but Paul was the worst, was like a petulant child. I feel he feels he has to aggressively defend Ange because he’s the same nationality and an attack on Ange is attack on his national identity when it isn’t. There’s no problem is looking at Ange’s flaws.
@@jjunior3647Johnny actually seemed to bring the initial hostility that paul was struggling to deal with for much of the video (until he left and tried to cool off). And when he came back, he was calm and collected but other than sean he wasn’t able to get his point actually heard and considered valid
@@jjunior3647 there is a problem blaming him for things out of his control like the long term injuries to crucial players, bissouma getting malaria and looking a shell of himself after afcon, udogie being injured when we have no suitable backup for him due to perisic’s career ender, the lack of a clear first choice striker in out first season post kane, michael oliVAR handing arsenal the NLD on a platter, and a club who’d apparently rather shoot themselves in the foot with regards to CL than deal with potential banter from our rivals. You’re welcome to criticize Ange all you want and I’m welcome to tell you you’re a knob if you think our position in the table is anything short of a miracle. Also, sava’s rant for ten minutes while demanding that everyone sit very still and agree with everything he said was enough to boil my blood on its own. Not to mention Jonny’s yapping
Paul just can’t stand people who go for our club continually talk down about our club. They aren’t “supporters”.
plural noun: supporters
1. a person who approves of and encourages a public figure, political party, policy, etc.
Is this the Savva show?
You're obsessed with Savva lol
Oi let him finish.. he's about to land
Weakness, no faith , ready to wave pitch folks in season 1 🙄
This Johnny guy make me wanna block CZcams and listening in on Tottenham content... i am ashamed of Spurs fans ! I did not know Spurs fans was so fragile ! Ange has every right to call the fans out ! It was a disgrace!
litereally love sean but johnny made me unsub he's everything wrong with the spurs fan base wrapped into on thing
Ange wonders why Jonny shows so much more passion responding to his comment than he does about his team winning
Extra £60m for making the CL? Levy would never endorse that and we wouldn't spend it on a proven top class player anyway. We don't pay the wages those top of the range players want, even if we can afford the transfer fee. Do the board want to get burnt again after large money signings that are effectively write offs now?
Does Ange want ready made players or will we stick to the young with potential philosophy, players willing to develop into his style of play?
Not your fault Sean, but I’m off. Can’t stand another second of Johnny’s raving. Ange was absolutely right, by the way.
100% Ange was absolutely correct
I'm with you brother I can't listen to the geezer he's so miserable and ange was 💯💯 right
Every opinion is valid- ? Equally
Savva did say he didn’t want Ange recently
Find it crazy that Johnny has found a way of blaming Ange for Spurs supporters wanting Spurs to
Lose
Sean, great show until Hotspur Hippie left. With these two, it's like listening to a wall of negativity, two different sides of the same negative coin.
Utter negativity
2 cheeks of the same backside.
@@jaymac6831 😂😂😂
@@babsgold 🤣
Johnny is out of order. Our fans are a disgrace and Ange is right for implying it. Your hatred for another club should never, EVER, override your love for this club. End of.
There are so many hypocrites presenting on here
I agree!!!
Let the man build ! In 2years he might go then we bring in another attack minded manager who takes the same players to next levels .
Stop hanging on every word go wash your car...let Ange build ..Sava is waffling..
Hey Sean, i enjoy the content. There are far too many points to address from this episode in a CZcams comment. I would like to address the argument that “Ange said he doesn't care about 4th”. He didn’t say he didn’t care about 4th. He said you cant use it as a barometer for building a successful team where we are in the project. He then also gave plenty of examples of clubs that made it to UCL but weren’t anny further anlong or winning ans a result of it. The questions were constantly around the “top 4 race” for weeks after he has already given his answer so the repeated same questions pissed him off. They piss off all managers.
The questions then pivot to well the Money and quality of player, you need to attract quality players that want to play champions league. Ange then addresses the kind of player he wants and that from a money perspective it a nice to have but clubs aren’t banks & It wont affect the summer plans. Fans constantly using this series of questions and responses as a base point to go after why they’re justified in wanting the club to lose and the extend that with why he didn’t he play VDV at LB earlier if he cared about 4th and so is as I’ve pointed out above incorrect. It’s lazy and either uninformed or agenda driven to keep using it imv.
Ange is a proven winner and has turned around cultures in football clubs plenty of times. But football fans are very very short sighted… again I could easily go one about change and successful culture transformation and what it takes but its too much for a “comment section”. I will say this, i have over 20 years of experience in changing cultures in corporate settings from take overs to just direction change, and while he is a manager of a football club, i can assure you , people are still what’s the centre and “human behavior” is what you need to understand to be successful and as much as the fans don’t like how Ange comments have made them feel, that’s more on them.
They probably feel dirty, the ego, super ego and the accompanying reality distortion fields are a real thing and protect us, and fans getting upset with Ange and not applying context are most likely just don't like how grubby they feel and they dont like being told they’re grubby.
It’s interesting they turn on Ange so quickly tho… almost like they are……….Fragile.
Anyways, stay healthy, eat a steak, salt and pepper, massive glass of water and you will be fine. COYS TTID. Audere Est Facere
( I stood in the Paxton for over a decade, I’ve seen us win plenty of trophies, Ange is honestly giving me Keith “The General” Burkinshaw Vibes, just with out the first season relegation.
we'd all want top 4 if it made a differance but it doesn't all it does is line the boards pockets sorry but ucl is not a gain for the fans why we don't care about it
Wanting us to lose is unacceptable. 4th place, 5th place, 13th place it doesn't matter because that mentality is symptomatic of losers.
he didnt play VDV at left back ealier cos if he got injured earlier he would have beeb out for longer. In City game he would have only missed Shef game if he got injured
But we aren’t 16th we are 5th ffs
Johnny is a bit fragile today, isn't he?
I'm Seriously convinced 80% of our fanbase are high on substance that I haven't tried yet, because you've got to be Dumb As Fudge if you Still think getting Champions League means the chairman will put money into the team.
Since Good ol' Arry Redknapp got us Champions League, someone name me 7/SEVEN Champions League level players the club has bought.... I'll wait.
Eff champions league!! We can't compete in it anyway.
Europa league is our level and always has been.
We could've been doing a Seville and winning it consecutively some years ago if we took it seriously.
And, if I'm wrong, answer me This, Spurs fans: How many of you Actually think we can win the Champions League??
The big point is! = Most of the fanbase has been calling for Dragusin to play in the middle to tighten that bloody defence up ages ago. Then the wins would have arrived, and we would not have been in this position.
Yep for months, Ange told us he did NOT want to risk VDV on the flank, but he was happy to risk EMERSON and cost us 6 points !
@@TooDarnSoulful but that's exactly what Ange didn't want. We looked absolutely awful going forward against city and had to rely too much on occasional counterattacks. It just becomes a more sophisticated Mourinho and Conte-era football. We barely stitched together a proper build-up play and there was literally nothing down the left flank because VDV simply can't invert as effectively. Against Arsenal, people just get blinded by the result and forget that we were absolutely all over them. The problem was quality. No one to finish chances, put in inch-perfect crosses, take on the fullback and hit the byline, the list is long. Its a transfer window problem not tactics
He started against Fulham. We lost 3-0. I’d love to hear your explanation as to how starting Dragusin would have won us every game? Sounds like you’re someone worth listening to…
We all need to take a step back and get some perspective. The City game and the situation with Ars was extremely unfortunate and will probably never happen again. It's gone, forget it. (Hopefully City will win on Sunday!). We have not achieved much in many, many years. We have had to watch terrible football for many years. Terrible player recruitment for many years. We have finally decided to go in a different direction and actually making fundamental, root and branch, changes to make that happen. New Director of football, recruitment, first team manager, etc. Unfortunately we still have a squad that was constructed under the old regime and we need to get rid of a lot of players. Unfortunately due to FFP rules, that makes it difficult to achieve (selling off dead wood at a loss and then replace them). We need better players and one's that fit the new system but it will take time.
I think Ange does have a point about the collective mentality at Spurs. We have been mediocre for years and something needs to change - across the entire club (not the supporters btw). Mourhino said it, Conte said it, Ange is saying it. I think it's an unpalatable truth. Look at Man Utd. They used to have it but since Ferguson left, they have completely lost that level of mentality and it's going to be difficult to get back. I think Ange's stubborn persistent stance on mentality is a psychological process that he knows needs to happen. You need to bed it in without waivering. Trying to play 'Ange ball' with the squad he has is going to be difficult and I don't think it is just about ability, it's as much about mental ability. First year into this new regime and we are likely to finish 5th (you could argue it should have been 4th with a fair wind). Klopp finished 8th, Arteta finished 8th two years on the trot (I think that is correct), Alex Ferguson finished 11th twice and 13th in his first 4 seasons at Utd! It takes time.
1:22:51 spot on again Sean when we signed Vicario certain people not naming names said Levy taken the cheap option not paying for Reya and getting in Vicario, all forgotten when he was being spoken about as one of the best keepers in the league, since the corner issues theyvve started coming out the woodwork again slagging him off, people HAVE to moan about something.
Why doesnt Savva and Johnny come clean with their Ange out agenda?
“I’m not Ange out BUT….”
You are wrong Johnny end of.Listened to people in the stands clapping and shouting ...He is right he wants to win fourth is no good he is a winner just admit Johnny you dont like him...
Hated the game and the build up, i would never NOT support my team, i honestly could not give a toss about Arsenal
Honestly thought we were free of Savvas ranting when he closed his channel. Now he just pops up to infest other channels with negativity. Please don’t have him on again. Epitome of all that is wrong with Spurs fans.
Absolutely Savva unfortunately he is one of the negative fools ....
Most media graduates, sorry journalists' don't ask "difficult questions", they bombard managers with cues to set them up for controversy and trigger the fans, not allow them scope to properly explain themselves
Does anyone else feel like more and more nowadays fans are more supportive and in love with a manager and maybe a certain player rather than actually being in love with your football club?
Savva And Jonny are like 2 school yard bully’s giggling and teaming up. 🤡 s
Maybe Paul hippy shouldn't act like a 12 year old clown them lol embarrassing for his age
Sean you have to call out Johnny on his BS. He talks like a rabid Levy Out Fans talks about Levy but about Ange. Constantly complaining about him. If there is something to go on he does it. Always. At least man up Johnny and say Ange out. Own it. Talking out of both sides of his mouth constantly
I agree completely. I don’t mean it to sound harsh here but the only person he’s fooling his himself. And at the end of the day it does mean he’s taken less seriously because it’s so transparent.
Haha, Sava getting frustrated in an interview.
Great show this morning mate. And well done for keeping it on track! Sorry I couldn’t mod more in the chat, stupid busy day at work. Hope you get to feeling better bud!
Thank you fellas, I've found this discussion really interesting. I've been a Spurs fan since I was knee-high to a grasshopper, and it hurts to see how much we are struggling at the moment. It's so clear that we have a lot of issues which still need to be addressed and resolved ASAP. I love Ange but we need him to re-evaluate the current state of play, so that we can do everything we can to achieve our goals, together. We've got this! ♥♥
#COYS #THFC #TODAREISTODO
There was no guarantee if we won that we would get champs league. So all this is conjecture..we move on
There's no guarantee top players will compromise their ambitions of playing top level European competition to play for a club more concerned with sabotaging rivals at any cost. Hope there's no complaints when..we move on to only attracting substandard soon-to-be deadwood in the summer.
Agree.
Is 24 years of bumps in the road not enough for Paul then?
We are a mid table quality team . Chelsea ManU and Newcastle just happened to have bad seasons. Out true placr is 7th or 8th .
Why should we expect better when we don't match the financial investment in the squad that the big boys regularly make..... Season upon Season
Was a rare occurrence, which happens once every 5 or 10 years, worth creating all this drama over? It's deflecting from our real issues. We aren't going to miss out on CL because of the fans or a few staff members making a joke.
CL football is money for levy history tells us that, he spend money but always makes money from CL
A really small selection of books to read (or listen to in the car or walking in audiobook form) to try and understand motivators, winning, changing a culture.
.Drive - Daniel Pink
Outliers - Malcom Gladwell
Team Building -Rhinus Michaels
True North - Bill George
The Power of Habit - Charles Duhigg
Behave - Robert M Sapolsky
Enchantment - Guy Kawasaki
It's clear to me that Savva feeds off Spurs negatively. It's his modus operandi
It’s clear to me you can’t put aside your personal issue with someone and listen 👂 to an individual talking actual facts.. Would it not be better to challenge him on the points you feel he’s wrong on? Maybe you can’t but that’s not Savvas fault it’s yours for not being particularly intelligent enough to come back at him 🫡
@@brunog5867 You're in the minority on this one.
All Savva does is moan and be super negative all the time.
Savva is totally negative. He is a prime example of the type of Spurs fan who destroys the culture of the organisation.
Let’s critique Ange after he brings his players in, until then the players have to take a little more glam for their lack of individual effort
Isn’t Johnson and Werner Ange players who’ve cost us multiple weeks?
@@KarlGwill yes but initially the attack wasn’t the issue so fair point but we have to see how these next two windows go
And ange can judge the fans support in cup finals or when he wins trophies.
I have to say me and Savva have not seen eye to eye many times BUT he spoke a lot of sense tonight and i agree with a lot of what he has said was very balanced coyssssss
Well Jonny you need a eye test mate could hear it and see it on sky Stelios wanted to lose and most of the crowd wanted it why be in the blue away shirts
Please support and back the club manager and don't be worrying about what other clubs do. Just focus on ourselves. Well said Sean, great content from yourself COYS
Comments regarding Spurs losing the game on purpose to Man City simply compromises Ange as a manager and makes him a suspect employee of the club. What manager worth his salt would want to put out his side to lose on purpose ? What a humiliating suggestion
of a person like Postecoglou !
This piece just shows that ange is right and that our club is fractured
As i live and breath, it's a Savva and Johnny love in 😂
Funny how hatred of someone else really brings them together 😂
The enemy of my enemy is my.. pal😂
This episode has proved how fragile spurs fans are in regards to Arsenal.. like it or not you are the inferior club with an inferior mentality at this moment in time. There's one way out of this mindset.. Johnny needs to own the fact that Ange simply pointed out the losers mentality, don't shoot the messanger.. Ange took risks in the last game out of necessity.. what happened to "in Ange we trust" ?
Nothing....we still trust in Ange. And we are moving on from the pantomime in the week.
Ange explain MVD cudnt b risked playing 3 games in a wk cos of his recent injury perhaps u should ACTUALLY LISTEN TO WAT HE SAID
Jonny … people say your a dreamer..but your not the one COYS
I was thinking the same thing 😂😂😂😂
Only one *
Things to keep in mind (IMHO)-
The ‘foundation’ of the club was brought up by a journalist.
48 hours was only referenced because it was brought up by a journalist.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in those areas of the statement. It seems like it was just a way for Postecoglou to bring up the *actual* issues he’s been seeing at the club.
But hey, I know as much as anyone else here to who really gives a fuck? 😂😢
why do people think what fans say makes a difference to a match.
@@Security848yeah, why did people keep asking him about it then
Sadly, Johnny h has never been a Ange fan, despite his travels , constantly raving about people he knows behind the scene…. Ange has played international football and in three other countries ,, sav and Johnny pitifully talk fact sadly they lack fact only generalised ideas.. even Sean sees how these guys pretend, Paul u not 100% though Johnny not the hero h thinks he is blames the press, and Ange, everyone.. he never had his ears on people wanted soirs to lose, poor old Ange had to defend bimself
Also had bad result in Glasgow last night…😂
You can hear this second fellas aussie accent- and you can hear Sean talking about us as a BUSINESS as always (some of my fave lines in the past talking about human players of ours and saying “we should LIQUIDATE that asset”- we get it mate, you know finance talk🙄🤦🏻♂️ but not the right time or place)- and between those two immediately being in the minority with this whole debate we have all had this past week, I think the rest of us can all feel validated in our feelings of not being too fussed about denying Arsenal the title by losing the slim chance of a top 4 finish and an “extra 60m”, as if that guaranteed we would spend it 🤦🏻♂️😂
Ange has learned and most likely been trained to be short and evasive, possibly to an unhelpful degree, because he isn’t used to the media in england (seems to have improved, albeit during a tougher period), to protect his players and staff, and because he’s not the best at hiding emotion leading to short, evasive, frustrated responses (he is more jovial during the early winning stretch, pre match interviews, after the team plays as well as possible, etc.). Ange is not a great manager in terms of addressing media, but he’s adapted well imo to the additional scrutiny of the epl media (whole still protecting the players as much as possible and only turning on them in vague terms after multiple frustrating performances) and throughout his career he was known for having many great interviews and being loved the majority of rhe time by fans and pundits alime but not handling the tough questions well (mainly due to the frustration you can see in his body language especially when asked about specific situations during the poor stretche (he isn’t focused on the specific situations, it’s the whole tactical approach, the mentality, etc. When he was unsuccessful he wants to find a solution to the problems he sees, but doesn’t want to put a spotlight on anything specific when he wan5s to raise the level of play across the board).
Imo, ange really prefers to play football and prove his point that way which is part of why i think he can be so evasive even with positive conversations
I've long accepted that supportibg Spurs is a lifelong marathon and not a sprint
it's a shame that savva alway's takes over the stream
every single stream he becomes the main character
It’s a shame Savva was driven off of CZcams
@@suesmith3744 he appeared just now. He’s still on CZcams
@@AdaobieistypingForced to close his channel I mean
@@stingingnettle9726Sav and his wife was getting death threats . Totally unacceptable I’d say ..
Big up Paul. :(
Harbouring a hatred for somebody is simply allowing them to live rent-free in you head.
Welcome
To the world of football rivalry
You mean like making up a day to celebrate finishing above your rival even though there isn’t a trophy for that. Like, st totteringhams day. Yes. Spurs live rent free in the goon heads.
I quite enjoyed this episode 😂
This doesn’t mean I agree fully with either, but I listened to what all was (eventually) said and I thought Johnny and Savva had some valid points to their observations around second half the season form and problematic stats. Plus with AP igniting press conference quotes.
I tried to understand Paul’s perspective and again he had the odd valid points, but clearly the previous hostility was too much to control any impulsive responses.
My overall issue have moving forward is whether Ange has the capacity to learn from a number of mistakes and at the same time does the club give him the opportunity to fully implement his foundations. These are the points I’m unsure about at the moment.
Last point - Well done Sean… you passed your mediation test 😂
We have to keep AP for this coming season, we should know by xmas if it is going to work but I am not convinced that he has what it takes.
Our focus should now shift to the Sheffield game and then on to the crucial question: does Levy have enough confidence left in AP to fully fund his transfer requirements this summer?
F*****g love it lads, good stuff here
I like paul but he's an ange fan die hard and will die on the hill ,,, didn't have the same energy when conte said the same