Rare Earth element from the Hardware Store
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2020
- We find a lanthanide salt for sale at the hardware store, but what is it, and is it useful or interesting?
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Directionless and unsuccessful? Finally something I can relate to!
**SAME**
Don't we all
Ouch, I felt that from here! XD
Cuts deep
Is this a William Osman crossover?
Okay. Nothing turned yellow. So i assume this was a success.
Can the coke be considered a super intense yellow?
brown is just dark orange
of course it was a success he got the forbidden coke at the end
Turning yellow thing is probably universal. Yellow was many times bad sign for me as well. Only when used SeO2 as oxidant good sign.
@@humr2346 yea i was doing pure oragnic syntesis with things that where yellow so i was worried when it wasnt yellow
"One third coke, one third water." Where is the final third? Are they okay? Am I simply left to wonder for its well-being and how it was lost?
Excellent video by the way
One third air.
And a third coke
@@izzieb + one third cup
@@nedshead5906 this video should be titled two thirds one cup.
oh, that's his yields.
I actually think this is pretty interesting. Sometimes, we need to appreciate things that just...work. Sure, there's no explosion, no massive color shift, no massive temperature shift, and no effervescence...but it's a useful chemical that, after doing its job, doesn't become a toxic waste superfund site. And...it's interesting that this chemical is actually less dangerous to humans than half of the additives in the Coke (phosphoric acid is not kind to teeth...hell, the Coke is probably safer to drink now than it was before) from what I can tell. Let's all give a cheer for something that is useful, simple, and safe.
Just as an interesting note on lanthanum, it's also used as a medicine to clear phosphate from people with kidney failure. Same as in pools.
Bro needs some research fund for sure, I can tell you that from that measuring cylinder.
it's a good cylinder ! and I gotta say, every research lab i've been in has also had a measuring cylinder in the same condition haha
bro, everyone knows that broken glassware is the easiest to work with
@@ExtractionsAndIre can confirm, the presence of these glassware usually boost yield by a significant amount
@@ExtractionsAndIreconfirmed. our tlc kit is exclusively made from smashed glass
Every piece of broken glassware that you use in the lab is a savings for you. They can't charge you twice for using something that was already broken. In university I would sometimes have a glass bill of a few hundred dollars a semester. I do not know how many beakers I poked the bottom out of with a bottle brush.
The "flint" in cigarette lighters is actually a lanthanide (cerium) alloy.
Also those "flint and steel" fire strikers. Very different from actual flint and steel.
Maybe lanthanum azide has some energetic properties
azidify every element
Ram the azide into everythingg
@@ExtractionsAndIre but could you ram the azide into a ram I dare to ask
'make it explode' is the answer to everything
AZIDOAZIDE AZIDE, but in French with severe distortion
I've made two unsuccessful attempts to reduce LaCl₃ to lanthanum metal using lithium metal.
First attempt: LaCl₃ + Li in a carbon crucible. 1100°C
Result: crucible full of light gray crud. No metal.
Second attempt: LaCl₃ + Li in a glass ampoule, buried in a metal cup full of sand. 1100°C
Result: sand fused to the glass ampoule, which is now filled with crusty crud and no metal.
I'm thinking of trying a fourth time, this time using a 2:1 excess of lithium, and sealing it in the glass ampoule under vacuum before heating.
LaCl₃ being hygroscopic may have messed up both of those attempts - wasting my lithium on destroying the water instead of reducing the lanthanum.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing
Lanthanum Thermite?
@@pjbth In a sense, maybe. But it doesn't seem to be a very energetic reaction.
Dancing Rain Throw some azides in there
What happened to the third attempt?
I'm a simple man. I see off the cuff, back of the envelope science from a knowledgable Aussie, I click.
Lanthanum Hexaboride is an unusual compound in coloration, if you're looking for something to do with all that stuff-- it's a rather beautiful reddish-purple color with a metallic luster which turns to brilliant blue as you add more boron. They use it in some interesting electronics applications, like ion thrusters for deep-space probes, and it's also a superconductor, though relatively poor at it (super low transition temp).
You could also try making your own lighter flints from rare earth metal alloys, or your own ferrocerium if you can get some of that as well.
That looks pretty cool
that cloudiness was clearly from Turbium :P
Terbidity
Lanthanum carbonate is used as a medicine. Also a phosphate remover (phosphate binder as pharmacologists call it), given to patients with end stage renal disease to remove the phosphate their kidneys are no longer able to excrete. It reacts with nutrition derived phosphates in the intestines to form lanthanum phosphate which is excreted with the feces.
People assume that the more obscure an element is, the more interesting, but in general the opposite is true more often than not.
Yeah!
That is what I call "retroactively obvious"! Thanks
I had an f-element lecture in university and I went back to that script just to tell you....yeah Lanthanum is virtually useless.
I'm a biochemist and just about every part of living things metabolism uses phosphates. I'm surprised that stuff is not massively toxic. But I guess it can't get into the cells or something.
1:28 that shattered graduated cylinder he used to measure made me uncomfortable. We need to get this boy some funding to afford basic human needs
I like it
One use for lanthanum oxide is to alloy with tungsten for "TIG" welding electrodes. It makes arc start easier. Howevr, it has a side effect of reducing the melting temperature of the electrode, so it is not a universal solution to all problems. But in any case it is not radioactive like the long time common alloying compound, thorium oxide is.
If you're at the hardware store, pick up some trisodium phosphate (TSP on the label). Much better source of soluble phosphate than cola. Also just great for cleaning glassware. Its sold as a paint preparation cleaner.
Lanthanum isn't boring. It's coordination chemistry is quite interesting due to the large ionic radius. It's the largest +3 ion besides Actinium and I even did lanthanum coordination chemistry today. It's also a treatment for hyperphosphatemia
Doped lanthanium compunds can be interesting like transparent ceramics or uv fluorescent oxides. No explosions or fires I'm aware of though. :)
Yeah! Is hard to get there though, like even getting to the oxide is so hard, it's so hard to convert from chloride to nitrate for example
@@ExtractionsAndIre If you want nitrate, why not just add silver nitrate to chloride solution to participate out silver chloride? Solubility of silver chloride is very low.
Another trick could be adding some sodium hydroxide to participate out La(OH)3 that has very low solubility in water and make some route with that.
Of course there are other methods that participate out the chloride (or even ion exchange it like ion exchange resins in water cleaning) or participate out a sparingly soluble lanthanide. Examples above may not be the best, they are just to give two examples that came to mind first.
@@hoggif I think you mean precipitate...
@@TheExplosiveGuy From what I can tell he really did mean participate. Said it like 4 times.
@@whatelseison8970 lol I think someone has a slight case of dyslexia🤣, that's not a term used in this sort of chemistry lol.
the ol 1/3 coke, 1/3 water
and 1/3 nothing
@@Christer2222 1/3 SOVL
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best content creator ever
Lanthanum is really useful in organic chemistry. Its chloride is a really strong Lewis Acid. For this reason it’s a really good catalyst for free-electrons reaction involving the use of Li/NH3 (liquid ammonia). It can be used to reduce benzene to 1,4 cyclohexadiene or selectively reduce an alpha-beta unsaturated ketone to his enolate.
If you want all the reactions are written on “organic chemistry” by Clayden-Greeves-Warren
I apologise if i misspelled something. I’m from Italy, english it’s not my first language 😅
In the video, there was complaining about no color changes, but according to DOI 10.1016/0022-2860(82)85074-6 a colorless crystal of lanthanum azide exhibits (in the words of the authors) "a remarkable reversible color change to yellowish-brown" at about 80K temperature with a 100mW laser shining on it. That sounds exciting. You have azides, color changing, yellowishness, and lasers. What more could you ask for?
Welcome to 2020 where you can't even have a word "Fire" in your name or otherwise you get demonetized.
I’ll never get old of your super energetic compound videos . Especially the super obscure and weird ones like C2N14 . So if you have any ideas for more of them that’d be cool.
Your garden walls are awesome. I’ve done a lot of landscape masonry and I’ve gotta say, it’s a cool design.
Love these kinds of video's, always fun to find out what the hardware store is really selling
Thanks for another fun video!!! Only form of chemistry i get since finishing school.
Good shit, man! I love your approach on chemistry here.
super appreciate the explanation of its intended purpose and the interactions with pools. just adds more layers of info to absorb and helps me apply ig
Gotta love the broken graduated cylinder
Tom, if you order some phenazone you could probably make some fluorescent and triboluminescent complexes with it
is there anything special about the element that makes that possible?
@@ExtractionsAndIre no, you can do it with all lanthanides, I guess it just change the color, ask Oliver, he already did it with terbium, from my side I only have 4 amino phenazone but I will also try soon
that slash line above that e in phenazone is so gross, the original word dont have it, y did u do that???
@@tmfan3888 ew didn't saw that, it's just I'm French and I have automatic correction, it's an accent
@@ormarion552 it's just f-f transition of electrons which gives them the colour.
I dont know anything about chemistry but I love watching your videos. Could you do a video where you synthesize the most obscure compound that your skills and knowledge allow you to?
Always searching for more obscure things to do, some big organic chemistry projects are planned, just need more time to do it!
Oh hey, a new video. I've been watching so many old youtube chemest or maker vids lately, it didn't even first register to me that this was a new on.
Its such a underrated channel, this channel needs to be more popular , your content is amazing
The other day I was wondering if it was possible to get the rare earth elements from ferrocerium rods? Just a thought.
Would be cool to get the cerium out!
@@ExtractionsAndIre Ya gonna do it??
@@whatelseison8970 No
I once tried making rust electrochemically because I wanted to make thermite. Basically I just used a nail as an anode and started passing current through a solution of.. honestly I forget what. It would have either been NaCl or NaHCO3. Anyways it ate the nail in about 5 minutes but I think what I got was mostly hydroxide or maybe oxide hydroxide cause the thermite did not work. If cerium hydroxide is soluble that could dissolve and separate them very fast. Basically all of the iron compounds precipitated in my case.
@@whatelseison8970 maybe one day
Loved the video, would be awesome if you uploaded videos like this more often. Content that don’t require days of set up and chemical reactions to do are still interesting and fun to watch. 80% of the reason I’m subbed to you is to hear you talk shit over the top of your videos :)
Thanks for the instructions mate
I friggin love this channel.
'No I'm not going to drink it', yeah you know your audience well. I'll admit it was me about to say that.
I used lanthanum chloride as a reagent in flame AA analysis. We bought ours premade in 20L boxes of a 5% solution, but there was a procedure on the books to make it from the oxide form, dissolving it in concentrated HCl. Only had to do that once, it was not a fun reaction when you're making 4L at a time, lots of heat to manage. Lanthanum bonds with trace anions in the solutions we were analyzing and keeps the analytes of interest (Ca and Mg mostly) from precipitating out and affecting results. So lanthanum isn't entirely useless, but it's still boring.
not even a mention of the broken graduated cylinder near the beginning. hahaha love your stuff man.
Really love your combat-ready graduated cylinder!
Only lanthanides I got to use were samarium metal to prep SmI2 (absolute pita) and ytterbium triflate (good ol yitty triff)
keep making vids !! love your vids!!
ye but how does it taste as a salt?
eating all the lanthanides??
ok but could you taste the difference between the lanthanides?
Cody would eat it. Man up!
It'd taste like death I think... Heavy metal poisoning or some reason
Love your work man
High quality measuring cylinder! I've got some beakers like that.... they still sorta work.
Try making lanthanum (or almost any lanthanide) sulphate. This thing is weird: barely dissolves in water, and when you heat it to help it dissolve, it precipitates...
I just caught myself wondering about the chem technician at Baracuda labs seeing this video::::::::
"Nice Boy!" "He's got THE Lanthanide I added"
these guys for real
THE cream of OTC dealers
I don't know about you, as you are in Oz, but here in England one can find on Ebay lanthanides in their elemental (metallic) form, in addition to compounds. If you add nitric acid to a lanthanide (Ln) metal, oxide or carbonate, you can get Ln ions into solution as the nitrate salt.
Oh dear, you make me love chemistry even with the most boring element. And I'm a botanist.
0:34 YES WE DO I WAS SHOCKED
A similar problem occurs when making anhydrous calcium chloride from a solution in a beaker. Difficult to remove when it is hard. First get it to the damp stage for easy removal from beaker. Heat in a evaporating dish to obtain the anhydrous form.
Extractions&PoolCleaning
Chemists working with lanthanum: man this is uninteresting
Materials scientists working with lanthanum: P E R O V S K I T E
Awesome video!
You need to have a walk around your local fishkeeping shop, phosphate removers are one of many different things you will find.
Those 22 seconds were worth it
8:38 this man living in a different dimension where a third plus a third is a whole
Big brain
You can use basic Lanthanum salts to test for acetate.
Turns blue if it works, but in my experience it nearly never works..
"Let's spend almost the entire video boiling off all the water only to dissolve the resulting salt in water."
10/10 - Would watch again.
I know you might just laugh off this but I think flourine chemistry would be a great project
Untill the shed catches on fire.
I would say start with small scale experiments out on a field with lots of flourine detection strips and if they detect flourine run and dont come back for 10 days
@@ltcorsa2519 ^^
Hmm.
I suppose you could develop and extract gluten, then try to demonstrate the chemistry of gluten sensitivity?
Or did you mean fluorine chemistry? In which case, no, I like my CZcamsrs with both hands, thank you.
Flourine ? This isn't a bakery.
The compound in the video turned out to be very boring, yet somehow you still made the video quite entertaining 😆
Do you have to special order those custom volume graduated cylinders?
l love the broken graduated cylinder at 1:57
From the "She'll Be Right" School of Science. Good on yer 😎👍🏻
EP acetate identification method 1: to a solution of sodium acetate add few drops of lantanium nitrare, iodine 0.1N and dilute ammonia. Heat gently until boil. A blue precipitate is form! The only cool reaction of lantanium
Lanthanum supposedly prolongs the life of cut plants in vases when added to the water.
Nile Red used Lanthanides for high temp superconductor "123" LaSr2Cu3O7. Bismuth (large +3 ion) substitutes for La.
7:06 "Just putting my hands in the chemical"
glad im not the only one, although I haven't touched anything toxic yet, as far as I know...
What if you synthesise the lanthanide oxalate (react a solution of a lanthanide nitrate with sodium oxalate) then thermally decompose it in the absence of air to see if it produces finely divided pyrophoric lanthanide metal? It might work for some of the lanthanides, or maybe not for any of them (if the lanthanide oxalate's thermal decomposition product is the oxide as opposed to the metal, then it will not work). I know this works for oxalates of transition metals (e.g. Ni and Fe). In the case of transition metal oxalates, thermal decomposition in the absence of air results in carbon or carbon monoxide, which are reducing agents. Hence, the metal in its zero oxidation state (i.e. elemental or metallic form) is produced, instead of the oxide. The metal produced is so finely divided and has such a high surface area that it undergoes exothermic and rapid oxidation as soon as it is exposed to air.
The shed is beautiful atm
Look at how clean the bench is.
Probably the most interesting thing about lanthanum is the combloc-era Polish assault rifle development project named after it, Project Lantan.
The only Rare Earth I can find at Bummings is the safety earth in their electrical items.
Mitre 10 is where this one is actually, but I think it does show up at Bunnings too
cool! i could check it out for you with the ion chromatography for anions, see other impurities with the XRF and measure its radioactivity ...Lanthanum is slightly radioactive..
Really?? Cool as!! I fully suspect that a whole lot of other rare earths, as I doubt that they would have purified it very much at all
@@ExtractionsAndIre right ! It wouldn't be worth the effort for use in pool....
Yeah! But often these products come as a by product of other manufacturing, so maybe all the profitable elements are stopped out and the waste product becomes the pool product. Things like neodymium and cerium and dysprosium are pretty valuable
@@ExtractionsAndIre exactly ! Well let me know if you would be interested ...I only need a small amount like a gram or less
When you said "the solution is quite cloudy" I thought sarcastically "It's called turbid! Use the correct fkn terminology!" and then you said that it is turbid.
Felt like I was God for a few seconds.
That graduated cylinder. This looks like a pirate lab.
Is there a way to use it to collect phosphates and then extract the phosphates from it?
Did you get all ur equipment out of trash? That's awesome if so, feels sneaky like does Aus have some laws where owning glassware would be a concern for you so u get it other way or what
Do some TIG welding with a lanthanated electrode; that's something interesting to do with lanthanum. Other than that, I got nothing..
thanks for the info😊
8:35 "its about 1/3 coke, 1/3 water" and the last third is what? vacuum?
1/3 the friends we made along the way
The broken measuring cylinder really shows how high the safety standards are 😭
At least you got one more chemical to put in a jar, label and put on your shelf.
Most relatable video to date
I think this was a fair example of amateur research - totally in my zone. You observed the product label, and followed up to investigate properties. Boiling away the water to isolate it was a reasonable approach, you observed the unusual weight of the solution, and you discovered "beaker cement." You found a real-world way to demonstrate its properties, and educated all of us a little more.
Good basic chemistry video!
Always interesting, I’ll give ya that bud, always interesting.
Love the broken graduated cylinder
At this point I'm pretty convicted his hardware store sells everything including polish sausages
In a thermate mix, there is barium nitrate. I wonder if you could make an interesting thermate by substituting barium nitrate for lanthanum nitrate? A random idea, as lanthanum chemistry is quite boring. Maybe you could synthesize a cuprate containing lanthanum? For example, lanthanum barium cuprate?
Yayy
Cloudy with a chance of precipitate
Is there something you can do with the precipitate?
That should be your outro to every video
What about turning it to the nitrate and adding phosphoric acid to make concentrated nitric acid?