Automatic Record Changers: We used to like them
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Hmm. What were these things? Why were some record sets made to work with them? When did we decide we hated them? Was that the right call? Will I ask another question?
These are the things you’ll learn in this video, where we explore the humble record changer. Seriously. They didn’t suck!
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That "chastise audiophiles" check box literally made me laugh out loud!
Plus the "Get On With It" right underneath! He struck comedy gold!
"I have heard both that they were cheap knockoffs and that they were better than your average BSR"
Sounds like audiophiles arguing alright
they were both. These things weren't intended for hifi playing - more like playing "pop" records. They were notorious for skipping if you danced too hard (look at that springing mechanism) and the vertical tracking issue was minor compared to the angular tracking variation from outside to centre.
They served a purpose, but it wasn't for "serious" listening. You tended to find them in "portable" players and "home entertainment centres" with cheap speakers (poor frequency response) and "ceramic cartridges" (high impedance, medicore frequency curve, high tracking weight) rather than "high fidelity" setups with decent speakers and moving magnet/moving coil cartridges
@@miscbits6399 : Except that this example was fitted with a Magnetic Cartridge - the Shure M75-6... ok, not "audiophile" grade, but still a fine cartridge that tracked at a mere 2gms, and still sounds pretty amazing today, when you consider it's near 50 year vintage! A great cartridge.
I don't know the Glenburn name, but the deck itself has early 70s BSR heritage, and although they played a touch too fast, they were mechanically solid, and still work ridiculously well today, and sound very good too!
They certainly could be, and were, used for "serious" listening.
Oh, and as to that slightly faster thing.... I think you'll find that Rega "audiophile" turntables also run a touch fast (and I like Rega decks...very much), so really it doesn't matter....just helps make the music sound a little more 'exciting'..!
I had a BSR 510 in my Heathkit Compact. It wasn't too bad, had a tonearm that was balanced, then a tracking force was dialed in. Also has Anti Skate adjustment for both Conical and Elliptical Styli, and dampened Cue Lever. It came with the Shure M75 Cartridge, which I replaced with a Shure M91ED. It still works 47 yrs after I put the Kit together
Audiophiles never argued about BSR. They were universally despised, and for good reasons.
@@stevesstuff1450 Basically the founder of BSR was kicked off his own board for being too old, went into retirement for a few years, and then started Glenburn.
Can I just say I'm hard of hearing and the subtitles on your videos are always excellent (accurate, well timed) and I love the extra little jokes and things you put in during audio based sections. It gives your videos so much character and really gives the sense that you think about the experience of all your viewers. So thanks!
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Brilliant little easter egg!
I can't help but read subtitles or really anything... I soght read music so glancing at regular words is easy... But I had noticed that his subtitles are superbly placed and I'm very particular about that. Timing matters so much. If the text is in too big chunks it can ruin punchlines or surprises... If they are too late you're distracted from the action trying to read what happened a split second ago.... He has gotten the goldilocks zone for subtitles down to a science.
One thing also about records - simply playing them a lot did more damage than anything the changer could do. The saying “I loved that record so much I wore it out,” was very much real, and it wasn’t a big deal to go to the record store and buy another one. A “fresh copy” of a favorite record was a nice treat.
It was such a popular phrase even the Pina Colada song references it.
That record drop at the end, amazing! Even if you wanted to time that it would be extremely difficult and I like you genuine reaction after the credits about it.
agreed!
Trial and Error
Quite a reward after all the mess with the Sunbeam toasters
I was wondering how many takes he had to do to get that timing right!
And I read your comment at just about the same time as it happened in the video. 🤣
"The Fu-" *cut*
LMAO!
Totally took me off guard, thank you.
Me too lmao legitimately laughed out loud
Secret to humour is surprise
@@mykeprior3436 so random does equal funny
i am not homeless thanks to god
@@745morning Carefully-applied random, yes.
The reason for the sequentially numbered records was not only for playing on a drop style record changer but also for the convenience of playing an entire album set on the radio. Back in the late 1960's, FM stereo radio became more common. Into the 1970's it was common for a radio station to play an entire album through. With single disc albums, to make a seamless transition from side one to side 2, you had to have 2 copies of the album. Most radio stations had 2 to 3 turntables and could have the next albums cued up in sequence. Well into the 1970's and even 1980's, most syndicated radio shows were on LP's, like the "Dr. Demento Show" and "American Top 40". The LP's were numbered so that side 1 would be on one LP and side 2 would be on the next LP, etc. These LP's were banded, so at the end of a section, the program would stop so you had time to insert your own commercial, station I.D., etc. While the inserted item played, you would cue up the next section in sequence.
With the latest multi-disc albums, this convenience feature has been long forgotten. To pull off continuous seamless sequential play, now we record the albums digitally and play everything in sequence. You can also insert announcements at any point.
I feel like I’ve joined an elitist secret society .. I know the true nature of the term album
I'll let you into another secret that nobody else knows: the whale isn't really a fish.
We're a club. We're a group.
We can take a vote on issues.
We can be a secret to society
And no one else can join
Unless they wear funny hats.
@@StephenFasciani I wear an ass as a hat, can I get in? (:
I was thinking the same!
I feel old because Ive lived long enough that the term was in wide use when i was young
"This website that I found" is subtle comedy gold.
Still have my 1970 Garrard changer with synchronous motor, like a 120 volt electric clock uses, so that it always played the record at exactly the correct RPMs... It was also loosely built (compared to a German 'Dual' brand) so could cope better with records of slightly different thickness... (Never heard of a 'Glenburn')
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[citation needed]
The man is a genius
@@BuzzLOLOLWhy did you reply to this comment with that? Did you mean to?
Wow, that "drop" sync in the patreon part was on point.
I thought it happened after the point had returned to it's resting place?
it's been a real life _changer._
Video waiting to dr- _(*plop)_ -op.
One thing you forgot to mention: many of the "Album" LP Stereo recordings had a safety feature. The edge and label areas were sightly raised so that the grooves did not actually come in contact with each other. While that left the records with only a small area of contact to rotate them, it seemed to work out fine. Because the arm and needle weight were set so light, there was very little drag and thus, the top record rotated just fine.
This was also needed when the records were pressed, because they are sent to a spindle in huge stacks after they come out of the press. I never understand why audiophiles say theyre worried about grooves touching when that cant actually happen.
@@TuneStunnaMusic I suppose a big bit of grit could be large enough to get caught between the two and cause a scratch but I doubt this ever happened as long as you didn't store your discs in an insane way
The raised center was a feature of 45r.p.m.s from start in 1948,spread to both 33 and some 78s.
"I don't know, Winnifred, this seems pretty complicated"
Some of your lines make me laugh way more than they should
“…to really find a groove”. I love it.
"The first record charger to really find a groove"
I see what you did there ;D
And just before the that (~2:27): "...getting records to play upside-down." The inventor was from Australia. :D
I don't please explain
I specifically paused the video to come down and salute that pun
@@re-agent9364 records work by having 1 long groove in a tight spiral that covers the entire surface, they are played by a needle sitting in that groove and amplifying the ridges and valleys to make music
12:10 And just like that, I'm suddenly on The 8-Bit Guy's channel.
I'd love to see Anders Enger Jensen make some digitally smooth jazz.
Or Tech moan's channel!
Who here does not subscribe to 8-bit and Techmoan? The internet is a big place, but sometimes it feels so small.
Now we just need The Science Elf to make a Tech Connections reference and we'll have come full circle.
@@dominateeye science elf..... oh my god
I went looking for a 30-second clip to explain record changers to someone and I stumbled on this.
Not what I was looking for at all: but I was immediately gripped. I love this to bits.
Hi, me again.
I came back and am watching this a second time.
I still love it to bits.
“Cheaper ineloquent hunks of ‘ok i guess’” is one of my favorite lines on this channel
Note that many LPs are thicker in the center label area AND at the edge. This reduced the probability for the grove areas to touch while stacked.
Plus air resistance/drag, which slows the record down before it hits the ground
The raised label and edge areas were an RCA invention, referred to at the time as Gruv-Gard. The label areas of 45s (also an RCA invention) have always been thicker because they were initially designed to be stacked for play.
I came here to mention that. Also, on the 45s, some had ridges around the label to enhance friction and prevent records from sliding on each other on a changer. They didn't have larger edges though, like the LP often did.
The hints of salt and sarcasm are what make your videos amazing. Also ridiculously well made, keep it up!
Loved the video. I am old enough to have owned vinyl record collections in the 60s and 70s, and I had turntables. There were some very *nice* changers in the 70s by higher-end brands like Dual that would more gently move the tone arm around. Some were cleverly designed to run the turntable at one modest speed during the changing cycle and only run at the selected speed while playing the record. And I recall seeing some models (maybe... Gerrard?) that would actually stop the turntable while lowering the next record from the stack, so there was absolutely no slipping/scratching of the disk as it dropped onto the one below it.
While there probably is very little to no damage from dropping a record onto the spinning one below it, the real problem was in the way people handle stacks of records they are placing on the spindle. Even with care, as you stack up records in your hands, they rub over each other sideways and everyways before you get them on the spindle. And as you pointed out, if there is dirt in between the discs when the next disc drops onto the spinning one below it, it is going to make scratches that you will hear. And there is ALWAYS dirt on records.
I don't hate record changers. I thought there were mechanical marvels. And even though I never used them because I could see and hear the wear they caused on my records, I don't begrudge anybody who has more fun with their music because they can put on a stack and enjoy their records.
I remember when making cassettes of a stack of my favorite 45s the sound of the mechanical changer would travel down the tonearm and end up on the recording. The only way to remedy this was to babysit the session and pause the cassette recorder between records when the changer was in motion.
Dual mostly solved this with the addition of a simple mute switch that automatically engages and shorts the cartridge outputs when the auto function starts cycling. The cartridge remains shorted until the auto cycle is complete.
I say mostly, because you can still hear a very brief click/thump type sound as the vibration from the mechanism is transferred through the platter right before the switch is engaged, and then again right after the switch is disengaged. But the sounds of the arm moving as well as the loud “pop” sounds that occur when the stylus is lifted off the disc and then set back down on the next disc, are muted.
Right, and you would want to do that anyway because you’d be wasting tape, especially if you’re trying to cram both sides of an LP on one side of a 90 minute tape.
That thing dropping the records down the chute... AAAAAAHHHHHHH.
I have some of those 78rpm records from the 1920s. And they are heavy as hell for their size. I dropped one and it broke. It reminds me of when Tom and Jerry would hit each other with them.
@Writer B.L. Alley Then you'll need a record player for your record player, and your record player for your record player will need another record player and the record player on your record player will need another disc and then another for your record player's record player.
I don't know, I find the fragility of records to be quite "groovy" myself.
@@the_original_Bilb_Ono 78s are more brittle than normal records because they are made of shellac instead of vinyl. If you drop a normal lp they rarely break
@@AriaPosting yes, and I believe the shellac material was intentional for amps wasn't a thing yet, instead there was Victrolas with the cone thing (forgot it's name atm) so you want the record to be as loud as possible so the needle itself would vibrate more intensely. If you play one on a modern system with a pre-amp it's extremely loud and metallic sounding. That classic victrola sound from old timey movies.
Unfortunately all the ones I have range from horrible to very very horrible condition as they was inherited down my family. They sat in my grandmas old house for some 40 years or more before I found them in a pile of junk. They have interesting titles which fit with those times. The songs sound almost ghostly when I played them. It's kinda strange gearing music which was recorded around 100 years ago.
The drop was awesome. Should have seen it coming. Great timing.
Thank you for keeping it real. I confess to having a little north of normal costing music playback system in our home however I started with very humble beginnings. By the time I first saw record changers, I had already owned several record players. The first stereo record player I owned was a record changer with detachable speakers. I LOVED that record player. It didn’t harm my records so much. I listened to them over and over and over! Records are remarkably durable! I have the toys I have now and I love them; however I have loved it every step of the way! Every music system I’ve had from my first transistor radio to now has been a treasure to me!
"Did you see that ludicrous display last night?" That was a great addition.
"did they just suck at numbers in the 60s?"
*label says 1974*
took me multiple replays to get that
Likely the LP seen was a reissue from 1974, even if it was initially issued in the 60's.
@dandanthetaximan OK, I was wrong. Because he was talking about multiple LP sets of the 60's and not being familiar with this particular LP, I assumed it might've been a reissue, when in fact, it's a US pressing, not sure if original or not as London is used here in the US, Decca in most of Europe, thanks to Discogs, though it may still be a reissue, but a later issue, perhaps from the late 70's or early 80's, assuming it was issued that long.
If you look carefully: "1974" actually pops up in small letters on screen near his face when he says that.
So he clearly noticed the error after recording the video then added the pop-up graphics to appear at that moment, rather than doing a vocal re-dub or re-shooting video just for that one tiny moment.
Man they sucked so much at numbers in the 60s they printed the wrong year!
the "another video waiting to drop" and the vinyl drop was so sync it's uncanny Oo 17:31
I'm sure he had to do many takes to get the timing just right
@@felixc543 | no, --that was the serendipity of it, --and he mentions that in the outro :)
@@t5o7m He made it pretty clear in the outro that it was planned and he was excited he finally nailed it.
As awesome as this video about automatic vinyl playing is, can we please take a moment to appreciate the fact that the album that he chose to demonstrate with; "Retro Grooves Vol. 3", is absolutely FANTASTIC!?
I suspect its just one of the few things you can get as a vinyl record that doesn't get copyright struck by youtube
What struck me most about the track "Discovision" is that the track features the voice of Leonard Nimoy from a film promoting the, then, new Discovision player.
It's a weird experience to see a short documentary on something I grew up with. I don't feel like I'm old enough for the era of my childhood to be of historical interest.
Really liked the look at the cams and such inside. My dad never let me take his turntable apart.
I know what you mean about not feeling old enough for things I once took for granted to be considered historical now. The record changer…I’d almost completely forgotten about these, but seeing them again they don’t seem so ancient. But show one to a teenager now and they wouldn’t have a clue. Time flies.
The Sony shirt, the song about Laserdisc, a toaster reference... this channel truly has it all!
Couple of extra notes!
A younger version of me went a little overboard with a silver Sharpie. The record stabilizer would ordinarily be black. But silver's better. Duh.
One thing I didn't mention was that it wasn't unheard of for changers to drop the next disc when... it wasn't a good time, plopping a disc on top of the tone arm. I don't know how common this really was, though. With the really thin records that started getting made in the '70s, I suppose they were more prone to dropping two-at-a-time or perhaps letting one slip. And maybe that helped drive them out, too. But this turntable's never done that to me, for what it's worth.
The 7 inch setting would be used mainly for 45s, and to stack them, you'd either need to put a spider in each of them to give them a normal-sized spindle hole, or you'd use an adapter that would slide over the spindle and make a much bigger but functionally identical spindle. Sadly I don't have the adapter for this player, so I couldn't demonstrate it.
And lastly, at one point Crosley (the modern, crappy one) was selling a "stack-o-matic" portable record player with a very cheap and very plastic changer inside of it. Those are probably without a doubt the worst changers available, so don't go making impressions about the others based upon its caliber. The Glenburn in this video is actually quite nice, and I'd consider using it daily were it not for the fact that it's really ugly, and plays slightly too fast.
Just putting this here as a place-marker.
The very light 45's had another problem. They were so lightweight that there was insufficient friction , especially if there a even a small warp in the discs, and so the first record played fine as it was on the rubber platen, but subsequent disc would slip and go from just the drag of the stylus, making the changer unusable.
As a sidenote, in 70's Australia, 45's came with the same small hole as a 33 so they would fit on the auto-changer without any form of adapter.
i love fun fact: etymology of the word "album."
@Kevin D I suppose that would have been really easy to fix (but awkward as hell) by simply stacking the records interleaved with thin rubber discs covering only the label part, when assembling the stack...
I'm surprised that album records didn't had a metal washer disk at the center of the vinyl disk. It would avoid the erosion and it would prevent dropping two thin disks at once. But I guess it would make the records more expensive.
The captions are spectacular. Just. Thank you
My parents used to have a front-loaded record player. It couldn't handle multiple records, but it was able to play both sides of the record without the user having to flip it over physically, due to it having an upside down stylus on the bottom side.
13:22 "Yeah, I can't hear it either."
Same.
Though, what I'm hearing is also digitized, compressed, and played through a cellphone speaker, an audiophile's nightmare. 😛
You must have a genuine Edison phonograph from 1852 to truly appreciate music.
@@theblackwidower You must be the musician to truly appreciate a piece of music, for what are instruments but yet one more distortion of the artist's vision?
had decent headphones on and no difference spotted, honestly the head of late turntable works with vertical and side movement mixed to a 45° angle (left and right), the diamond tip is possibly conical, so basically varying the inclination would turn in just a slight mixing between channels... that i can't give a fudge less... except maybe a bit of wear more on the disc due to the inclined tip inside a waved track (but they wear out anyways)
SidShakal Now that’s what I call: Bullshit! Most people don’t notice the difference when you compare the raw file to it’s compressed version, so why bother?
I would never sa......crifice quali......ty for conv....en....i......
"Stupid slow internet" *changes resolution to 480p*
*144p*
McDonald's vs home cooked
convenience vs quality
Having been brought up on tubed televisions for our entire lives, my wife and I "dumb-downed" our insanely expensive, top of the line LED flat screen. Everything just looked too real. Indoor Hollywood sets, intended to represent the outdoors, looked like indoor soap opera sets instead of the outdoors. However, a bit of fiddling with the settings and we were able to soften the picture enough in several areas so that it looked more like the TV we grew-up with again. It's still a much sharper picture, we just got rid of the "too perfect" look about it.
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I have to take issue with this. I find it much more convenient to eat at home than to wait in a long fast food line.
Of course, even without the long lines I wouldn't touch a fast food burger with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole.
@@thebonesaw..4634 This is exactly why I havent gone 4k. It just takes away that tv or movie feel/charm. Oh nad the special effects stick out almost to the point of how they did in the 80s and 90s all over again lol
11:40 "Chastise audiophiles" 😂🤣
I never did understand the audiophile attitude about vinyl because I've never seen anyone do laser measurements of the center-positioning of the disc they would listen to as an upper limit of the absolute lowest wow they could possibly hope for. ;)
@@godofbiscuitssf Meh some audiophile do center positioning.
They have a device for it, it's called the Nakamichi TX-1000
What the actual everliving fu-
I just watched this again and I still love it to bits. I was using automatic record changers before you were born: but this is a brilliant piece of documentary filmmaking that took me right back to when that was all we had. All power to your elbow.
“Automatic beyond belief” are you calling back to the 60s toaster
toaster
Duh
kokokk
40's.
'Audiophiles hate them'
Hold my beer...
Make sure to add a known name
Edit: scrap that, a foreign name
Directional cables please.
@@jamesrindley6215 don't forget to split each cable into a pair of "balanced cables"!
@@maksuree Charge 5 figures for said cables.
Add wooden knobs to improve the warmth and depth of the auditory oscillations, and I'll pay AT LEAST $20,000 for such a marvel of audio-magitech engineering!
I never used my Changer as a Changer, I removed the stack spindle, put in a Snub, and then locked the Leveling Arm out of the way and used it as an Automatic Single Play.
A neat "trick" I use to do to my brother's record player was to select a 12" disc, then put on 7" single. Amazing sound use to come out of the rubber mat.
What if you made a rubber slipmat that actually had a song or message on a groove in it?
I never knew how much I needed your channel till I found it man. I love this channel so much- you seem so wholesome, so genuinely interested in what you're talking about and it's so informative.
NEVER CHANGE.
Same
You mean never RECORD change! Eh? Eh? Eh.
@@dominateeye Made me snort
Love this video,, I’m 43 and have used record changers to play my records my whole life....I was amazed by them as a kid,,, and still love them today... great job man
might i just say i appreciate endlessly the really comprehensive captions you have on your videos. thank you!!
That checking off of the "Chastise Audiophiles" caused me to read it out loud while having quite a nice chuckle. Thank you for that, sir.
"Automatic beyond belief" is this channel's "Water from the Nile."
You seem to love toy videos. Heh!
I absolutely love your channel and content, please never stop making videos.
Yeah, he's getting the tone and humour just right.
I 100% agree. I f&%$ing love this guy. His humor is top notch.... and he's also informative!
I almost read that as "please stop making videos"
This may be the only CZcamsr that I don’t have to skip 10 seconds
0:33 I like the way he subtly roasted himself by briefly popping up the "1974 Decca Records" trademark off the label while he was suggesting people sucked at numbers in the sixties. And then followed up with "well, a few people did". Top notch understated humour.
That cut off "the fu-?" made me laugh so hard, since you're the type not to swear. It really captured the sheer confusion of the situation.
I actually rewound it to double check.
@@RetroDoneRight same
Timecode?
@@ptyzix 0:12
12 seconds in I’m laughing and absolutely hooked.
I really loved that checklist bit lmao
Dammit, I can't find it again in the video. Do you have a time stamp for it?
@@fiverZ 11:41
□Introduce Subject
□Review History
□Demonstrate Use
□Explain Auto Sequencing
□Chastise Audiophiles
□Get On With It
That sync of the word "drop" with the record dropping was AMAZING
Actually, the surfaces of the records made during the era of the record changer had the edges a little raised, as well as the labels. RCA actually made something called "Gruve Guard". In the 40s, there were special felt decals that could be applied to the edges of the labels of the records, so that there would be little to no spinning of the record that came down. Also, in the 78 era, it was recommended that the first disc be placed on the turtable, instead of allowing it to drop down. The mats were not terribly soft, and so the first records were vulnerable to breakage. Dealers often kept extra copies of the disc with the first and last sides of a set in stock! Also, sets were issued simultaneously in manual and automatic sequencing in the 78 era.
"The first record changer to really find a grove" - appreciated and slipped in without fanfare!
Agreed, glad I wasn't the only one to catch that. I half expected that meme with the grey and white dog with the cheesy grin.
The thing that was most frustrating with those old record changers, is that many times it would drop 2 records at once :(
Oh that’s right! Maddening!
@@markhh yep common problem 😉
Despite owning and using one of these for a long time, I never realized you could stack more than a single record up there. I always put one on the bottom, and one on the top of the spindle, and assumed that's all it could handle. I never tried a stack! You learn something every day!
Or how about after the last record plays and the support arm doesn't drop all of the way down and the last record keeps repeating until you realize what is happening. Or how about the occasional record that the groove wasn't cut quite right and didn't carry the tonearm over far enough to trigger the return. I had a couple records like that where I thought the last record played only to walk in and find the record still spinning with the needle on the record.
@@KevinBenecke the arm can certainly stick if its in need of lubrication, never had a record that didnt trigger the mechanism at them end, but sometimes the opposite, triggering too early
Never stop with your amazing captions. I love it.
Lmao I thought he meant Audio files like .wav and .ogg until I saw it written out and I was so confused.
Audiophial ≈ phonographic cylinders.
I just made that word play up. Phial is British spelling of vial, which is basically a cylinder (permanently sealed on one side). I can't be sure how common the 'ph' spelling is over the 'v' spelling; *Periodic Videos* might be a good channel to ask that.
Maybe he's giving audiophiles too much FLAC.
@@EpicB Nice.
"...another video waiting to drop-"
*_kthunk_*
_Nice_ timing there, it's almost like it was scripted :P
And i wonder how many takes it took to get that just right .... lmao!!!!
Had to re-watch that part, just to be sure that actually happened.
17:30 -- this guy really has it together!
I just noticed too, the song starts when the stylus hits the record
love the eye roll when talking about audiophiles lol
Next photographers need to be targetted for shunning smartphone cameras. 😝
I'm a photographer, please don't hurt me...
Well, the true fact is that once you start playing records that are stacked on top of other records that are resting on the platter, the Vertical Tracking Angle of the stylus has changed. If you're particular about how the turntable is setup and really care about the measurements that dictate how to get the best sound, then you wouldn't care much for changers. That said, the changer is more convenient, so some humans will take that tradeoff, as pointed out in the video. Nothing wrong with either argument.
@@JacobFrey It also depends on the stylus that is used. Back when these record changers were popular, people exclusively used sperical or conical styluses, which are not affected by vertical tracking angles. Now that everyone is using fine-line styluses, VTA matters, so these record changes would affect the VTA too much from one record to the next.
audiophools
@@JacobFrey Nobody cared or even understood the concept.
Dude, the timing of that last part... BRILLIANT!
I love your channel. I’m a huge audiophile, it meant that in the 90s and 2000s I bought every jazz and blues cd imaginable until CDs became obsolete. I’d rather listen to music than anything else. That Anders Enger Jansen reminds me a little of Paul Hardcastle, in the techno funk jazz bag. I had a fisher price record player, got it in 1982 and my dad would buy me old records. One was “Fun,Fun,Fun by The Beach Boys. I remember wearing out the grooves to Physical by Olivia Newton John and Land Down Under by Men at Work. I had some Christopher Cross records I wore the grooves out of. As a 6 year old boy music was a magical thing. I’m still stuck today in that era with my Steely Dan and Bob James
"By this time, we had already decided that cylinders were the Betamax of sound formats..." I don't know why, but that line cracked me up for some reason.
perhaps because a Betamax cartridge was hidden in the on-screen image right after he said it.
Man you cranked up the sass meter and I love it.
Dude, you took the words right out of my brain. The sass is off the charts. *Awkward pause as I reach for another set of records*
As a child in the late 60's I was fascinated by this contraption and would sit and stare it like a TV set. I wanted a record player of my own and got a Show & Tell which was made for a child. After that I've always had and loved the record player! I had a Gerrard that had a changer that you could remove the spindle and stick in a small pin like they have on modern players. One thing you forgot to mention was the thick tube that went over the spindle so you can play 45's.
Or the yellow plastic thingies.
@@bamaslamma1003 Yeah, the adapters that came in yellow or red for the most part. I have one on a t-shirt. It's fun to watch people age themselves by telling me, "I know what that is"! 😂
5:45 FINALLY. I found a notched spindle a long time ago in a bucket of free pins and I could never figure out what it was. Thank you!
*AUDIOPHILES HATE HIM!!!*
Play multiple records in a row, automatically, with one weird trick!
Doctors hate him! Learn how to grow your... hair with this homemade drug.
You son of a bitch! I wanted to make that spam banner reference!
Once the single-most important item in their system begins to age, ( their ears), they will change. I did.
What about toenail fungus
Them*
And if you were playing one record (single or LP), you could leave the arm over to the side (in the position it would be when loading records onto the spindle) and use then use auto for repeat (it would go through the motions of dropping the next record, but then play the same one again).
Now to show my age, even more than the above paragraph: instead of "audiophiles", I heard "audio files" and wondered if there was some sort incompatibility issue caused by the changer!
In fact he uses "audio file" as a joke in another video referring to a sound effect record album: "It's the only audio file guaranteed never to start an argument."
True with most of the later machines where you manually selected the size, but those with auto-size indexing, that didn't always work. It could end up playing the record at 7" or 10" even if it was a 12" record (or like my Garrard 3000, at 12" if a smaller record was on) as they depended on the record falling past a size sensor/lever to determine size.
I seem to remember (having been born 1960) seeing at least one that had another microswitch on the record stabilizer to detect it's lateral position, making that unlikely on at least that one machine. It had to have been manufactured very shortly before 1960 because i think it was nearly new when i was born.
In the last 10 years I picked up the hobby of refurbishing vintage electronics I'm glad to have found a tutorial video to show those who want to follow in my footsteps
Fascinating video. I think this explains the wear around the hole on the records my grandfather gave me.
"record listening experience that is *AUTOMATIC BEYOND BELIEF!!!* "
…is that another toaster refference…
not suprising, if you consider what they say about toasters!
@@sofia.eris.bauhaus Rather toasty innit?
Your videos are too damned smart, and that's why I love them.
Thank you so much for being YOU! Every one of your videos is a gem!!
Always great CCs. Appreciate the effort!
"Most humans will happily make sacrifices to quality for convenience." Preach.
Exhibit A: The audio cassette. Not originally designed to be a replacement for HiFi open reel tapes, but it ended up there. Convenient? Check! Quality? You're joking, right? I mean, better than 8-track maybe...
Hence, MP3's
@@aSpeedbump MP3 is great, I can fit an artists whole discography into 32GB! Now try that with something like FLACC or Orbis, impossible.
@@aSpeedbump A good MP3 will outshine a number of formats, and can come very close to the best ones. www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality
That's why VHS won
Perfect timing with the "drop"... Entertaining and informative as always!
Glad he said it was real because it was definitely too perfect to believe.
Timestamp please
Here we are: 17:32
@@markusbocker2027 Thanks! Have an amazing day
I really appreciate the level of editing you put into these videos.
I feel silly posting this, but I restored an early 60's turntable styled to look like a large buffet cabinet about 5 years ago. I never could figure out the whole mechanism on the turntable itself... UNTIL NOW!!! I just never realized you could stack a bunch of records on the spindle like that to have them all play one after the next despite using it quite often lol. I do hope that one day you make an episode on juke boxes and their changers. Those are quite fascinating!
Stacks of records often slipped (huge wow would be understatement) and possibly had tracking angle issues (audibly irrelevant for low end systems). Problems were made worse when some discs in the stack had warps.
Some turntables had a short lever that the record edge brushed against as it dropped to detect the size (by measuring degree of deflection, a lot for 12", less for 10", none at all for 7"), so you could stack any combination on such units. Garrard had a range of turntables like this (they had interchangeable short/long spindles for manual/automatic and a lever for flipping a double sided stylus over for 45/33/16 vs. 78 (the latter needs a wider stylus).
Some records had thick raised ridged rings around the label to prevent slippage, but this meant the bulk of the disc was effectively floating in the air unsupported (probably also audibly irrelevant on a low-end system, might even make things better if the underlying record had a mild warp as it might sit flatter).
Wider cartridges would rub against the ridged rings when they reached the end groove, making a horrifically loud and unpleasant buzzing sound.
I suspect one reason why higher end turntables would not have such features (apart from issues with stacking, warps, slippage, etc) would be KISS (easier to make a reliable turntable with accurate speed and low rumble if mechanism is kept very simple).
I was going to say the same about the raised rings around the label. but I have seen the rings not only raised, but also as a series of raised dots that would engage with the next record rather like cog teeth to keep the whole stack locked together. Also, one other feature of these dots (at least on EMI records in the UK) is that they were spaced so that when observed under a filament lamp run at the prevailing 50Hz when spinning at the normal speed, the dots would apparently appear still due to the strobe effect of the light, allowing you to judge the speed accuracy of the turntable.
One thing that was not mentioned was that all of the autochangers that I have seen used rim-drive turntables, where a rubber wheel would transmit the movement from the motor (using different sized section of the spindle for the different speeds) to a lip on the bottom of the turntable. Rim drive turntables tend to rumble a lot more (because of the physical contact between the motor drive mechanism and turntable), and if the rubber wheel gets deformed (for example if it were left engaged because of a power failure), it causes an unpleasant speed 'blip' each time it goes round.
The other undesirable feature compared with the most audiophile accepted turntables is that each bit of mechanical linkage on the turntable and arm can introduce drag (as you pointed out) but also slackness in the tonearm and turntable bearings, which can lead to loss of clarity in the stereo image (something that Anders Jensen's synth music would not really show). You only appreciate this if you've actually listened to some half decent audio setup with naturally recorded music (binaural recording, for example). If you've not heard this, it's difficult to appreciate what you're missing, and you don't miss what you've never had!
The bearing movement was not really an issue when ceramic cartridges were in use, which used to track at a downforce measured in 10s of grammes (often set with a spring rather than a counterbalance). But when moving magnet cartridges came in, they generally tracked at under 10 grammes, so the heavy tonearms were not suitable. In fact, I'm surprised that your Glenburn was fitted with what looks like a Shure moving magnet cartridge.
I have seen belt and direct-drive turntables with auto stop and auto return mechanisms (but not autochangers), but the comments about drag and play are still relevant, which is why audiophiles want the simplest drive and bearing mechanisms possible.
And yes, I know about what is acceptable to the masses is good enough, but that does not prevent those people who have the opportunity for hearing audio at it's best from striving to do so.
@@petergathercole4565 , excellent comments. I am an audio repair technician who frequently fights with the boss for taking in potential repairs that we really shouldn't be dicking with at this point. I just repaired yet another Dual fully automatic turntable (a 1241 record changer) , which arrived with damaged audio cables and hum issues, and those turned out to be the least of his problems. Someone else had changed the belt to a completely wrong size, and played around with the adjustments. The lubrication was gelled up and the lubricated sleeves and bearings of the changer mechanism were almost completely seized, which in my experience might actually be the result of a chemical reaction between the metals and the lubricant. The Speed select and associated belt lifter mechanism which transfers the belt to the correct part of the stepped pulley were sticky and wouldn't reliably work right to the very end of their ranges, and they are also linked to the cam- screw adjustments for the pickup and set down points, which are Interactive. The platter is one piece, with just a couple small cut-outs, making it difficult to observe the operation of the motor pulley and belt and associated mechanisms. The service manual contains numerous errors and the explanation of how the various adjustments work is very poorly written. Exact Original parts are of course no longer available, and the aftermarket belts we have (from somewhere on the internet) that are supposed to be exact replacements for nine or ten various Dual models didn't work correctly, and we had to search through hundreds of our own belt stock to find something that would work correctly. It's just not worth working on these things. I did get it working reliably, and it sounded pretty good, but these types of units are always a headache. I'll take almost any basic belt drive semi automatic turntable, a Technics or Pioneer or whatever, over one of these things. Or better yet, a fully manual turntable. A Rega, a Linn, or even a Pro-ject or U-turn.....
I also shudder when people bring in any kind of turntable with Servo Motors to operate the tonearm. Many of these units use optocouplers or special LEDs or various photosensitive devices to read the arm position and/ or to sense the size of the record on the platter, and many of these devices are no longer available.
I literally got hard chills when that Victor machine dropped that record. Phew!!
I miss my stacked for playing my 45s. Yes, I still play my 45s when working out. It makes me young again.
I'm psyched to have found you! I'm 48 and the stuff you take the time to share is very interesting to me. Thank you. I wish I could support all the deserving channels out there, but my humble truth is every week I have the choice of an empty fridge and internet or a full fridge and no internet. So here I am... hey, you gonna finish that sandwich ??? ;)
This was how we created a playlist in the 60s & 70s :-)
"Did you see that ludicrous display last night?"
That one got me. Girly giggles.
What was Wenger thinking sending Walcott on that early?
The thing about Arsenal is, they always try to walk it in.
time stamp?
Thanks to this channel, I lived to 23 till owning a record player... it arrived today. Thanks man.
Super psyched about the "drop" at the end too lol, that is fantastic!
Thank you for the blast from the past, I grew up in the 70's and remember placing large stacks of 4, 5, 6 records on the changer to listen for hours.
In the 1980's I use to play stacks of records... Especially during Christmas...
Lots of us did. Good memories.
Science, history and entertainment my grandma did that when I was a kid, in the 1960s and 70s.
She was still doing it in the early 2000s
(She passed away in 2010 at the age of 100)
In the 1980s, I was born. 😀
@distantsunset Tommy, can you hear me?
I remember this as well. My parents would always take the Christmas records out when they would start decorating and it was so magical
Brilliant video as always! You know how to entertain your viewers with subtle jokes and quips whilst sharing information.
From the UK - home of hi-fi zealots who worship at the shrine of wow, flutter and trackign weights. I applaud
this venture into the realm of the auto-changer, one of those amazing inventions from way back that I still
enjoy via my mid-50s mono Pye Black Box and its BSR Monarch auto-changer, having spent decades
moving through the realm of hi-fi up to and including CDs and all their much-touted qualities, the best of
which are their extended playing time - greatly appreciated for the enjoyment of those long orchestral
works without the constant need to change discs and reducing the chances of damage to the discs
themselves.
I actually still use a record changer, a HMV stereogram from 1966, lovely piece of craftsmanship.
I used to have a one as well, it went in 2000 as I didn't have any automatically coupled record sets, the belts broke and I became a bit more of an audiophile.
Same here! A Dual 1219 that has been my main player for 20 years. I love it
is the '66 HMV a Caprice model?
@@vaughntonkin539 No it isn't, it is a stereomaster model "2020" although it is very similar to the model "2018" which is mostly what you will see online
"Chastise audiophiles" - check! LOL :-) I really like how you can take a seemingly simple concept (a mechanical record changer) and explore it in such an interesting and fun way as to make it a fascinating journey of discovery. Great work - one of your best (and funniest!) videos yet.
Great video. Brings back so many memories of my parents big console record player at home.(imagine a big wood console with dinensions of 3’h x 18”w x 4’ l)
Remembering their record changer made me remember they also had an adapter for 45 singles. It was a little bigger than the cardboard in a toilet paper roll that would fit over the record changer spindle. You could stack 45 singles and the changer latch would trigger the 45 singles adapter and stacker.
Thank you for this video!
Really enjoy your videos. I've always loved electronics and was obsessed with turntables as a kid! Well researched and presented.
"Automatic beyond belief!" /this channel's "LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES!" X) /100% ok with this
@the slingshot channel
The first album I had to deal with having weird sides was Tommy - and I didn't notice well into Side 4. As a concept album, I was completely confused by the story's inconsistency.
Heh, when I saw _WarGames_ the first time, the theater showed the reels out of order. I still don't really understand that movie's narrative sequence.
"As a concept album, I was completely confused by the story's inconsistency."
After you finally listened to the records in the correct order, you were *even more* confused, I'm sure.
Heh. Try the first album by Stephen Stills' Manassas band. It had sides 1 and 3 on one record and 2 and 4 on the other!
>Australian inventor has trouble getting his design to work.
"Likely due to difficulties in getting records to play upside down."
It's okay, even in order it can be a little hard to follow.
I really enjoy watching your presentations - Think you
I have a KLH MODEL 25 from 1960 and I didn’t even know it had this feature, thanks!
thumbs up for 17:32, also you've really improved your video's in the past while. they have gone form great to awesome, keep it up!
Yeah, that was really good. Best part lol.
0:51 There is a similar thing in book/magazine printing called “imposition”. This is where you arrange the printing of pages in fours on double-width sheets so that when they are folded in the middle and stacked and bound together, the page numbers end up in the correct sequence.
This brought back some really good memories!! Thank you so much!!!
When I was a very very little kid (I had to stand on my tippy-toes to peek over the top of my aunt's console stereo to see it) I was fascinated by the record changer! It was what got me hooked on tech, I think. It got me hooked on music as well. You never know what it's going to be.
My 61 year Magnavox has my teething marks on the ridge of the console where I would look 👀 over watch in complete awe of the changing mechanism! I FEEL you!