2023 POLARIS SNOWMOBILE LINE UP SUSPENSION UPGRADES! WHAT DID POLARIS DO TO HANDLE THE BOOST POWER?!
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Some detail oriented talk about what has changed within the suspension for the 2023 sleds!
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Not many that can explain, to the detail, information like Bruce! Thanks for another great video!
Hes filled with knowledge!!!
Great stuff Jesse and Bruce. I shared this video (and many others you’ve authored) with my 73 year old (non-CZcams subscriber) friend Dave who is soon to order his 2023 XCR. He’ll be happy to know heavy torsion springs are already included.
LOve to hear that! Thanks for sharing!! i am happy they are coming from factory like that as well
Thanks for all the great info Jesse. Keep those videos coming
Thank you! Doing my best to keep them coming!
dang, great detail! snowmobile Einstein right there.. Thanks for sharing..
Yea hes a wizard! All the detail and all the knowledge from him!
Very glad to see the stiffer torsion spring on the XCR they should have done that from the get go.
couldnt agree more on that one!
Awesome knowledge, thank you
you know it!!
Thanks for posting the real cool info
thank you! Some behind the scenes stuff they didnt say anything about!
by a absolute landslide, you and bruce have the best info /content. you guys should sell JJB kit. where we can send our xcr shocks this summer and you send them back revalved / heavy duty spring/ and some c and a skis based on weight and style we ride. Oh and include a sticker we can put near gas cap so we remember to check belt deflection. lol
I like that idea for sure!!! May have to talk to the boss about that!! Thank you for the support and the nice comment. These go a long way! Thanks!
Nice detail. I saw SnowTrax show on next years stuff and this was some real in depth high end info on top of what they covered . Still no rack and saddle bags for Lock n Ride I bet.
Thats what we are here for!! All the detail oriented things no one ever talks about! and probably not!!
Awesome video.. I already built my VR1 Boost and sent my snow check to my dealership..
love it!!! Did you get confirmation you got a spot?
@@JESSEJAMES322 My dealer just called and said he has some numbers for me and a Order- Registration number.. I will call him tomorrow during business hours 😎
Just got off the phone with my local dealer.. He is only allotted 7 VR1 Boost in the 137 track, I got my name on 1.. He also told me he only got 5 XCR 850 allotted to him… I had to pay full MSRP.. He said the days of getting lots of money off for snow check is done… Last year he did around 100 snow checks, this year he can only sell 44 sleds in total and polaris is actually telling him what he can sell… Still waiting on my 22 XCR.. Now I will have 2 awesome sleds next season.. A take a friend with me sled..
Thanks for the info
Thank you!
Loved this vid. Kinda sad my 22 got the short end of the stick. After what happened last year I'm too nervous to order a 23 I guess I'll just upgrade the Springs and shocks myself
dealers have been chopped and only alloted certain number of sleds so this doesnt happoen again. mkost of all dealers have fullfilled their allotments already
Soon to b Adv x2 s4 guy here. Geat stuff again fellas. Fantastic how you guys show and teach us common folk in an understandable way. So am I correct to expect the HD spring on y x2? I'm about 225 and my lady is 110 ish.
Also Is there a chance you tell us about the new Polaris TS shock sometime please? Pretty curious as to why Polaris is doing that.
Thanks again for all the info.
Cheers.
Hey sorry i misse dthis comment. These are all questions i have to look up and ask bruce as i am not 100% sure but we will be doing a video as he gets one in!
Hey Jesse can you do a video talking about some of the problems with the sleds the last 2 years like the jack shaft bearings and the coolant line rubbing to show us how to deal with on our own.
i have done the coolant line issues. I want to touch on the jack shaft bearing but need to get with bruce for that
Really enjoy the detail explanation! More please.and Is that the end of the 600 cross ountry?or will it just be a late release in november.?
you know thats a great question! I do not know and have not heard anything about that!
Great video, do you have a part # for the NEW extra HD torsion springs?
They are not out yet!
@@JESSEJAMES322 Keep us posted on when the new part # is available
Hi thanks for the video! I do long rides and it's a little complicated to carry gas. Would you know if the boost will use like WAY more gas? I need 150km per tank...
id assume so as the fuel needs to match the air thats getting shoved down its throat. SO more air (boost) means more fuel so my guess would be yes it will use more but also depends on how hard on the throttle you are
Those new springs will make a huge difference in stutter bumps. Will act like a progressive spring. A relaxed spring acts softer initially.
absolutely they will!! Many dont understand that!
Sprig checked the VR1 Boost can’t wait for next season.
Hell yea!!! Youll be having some fuN!!
Great video. Are you able to tell me the part # for those new tortion springs?? Would like to order a set for my 22 XCR but want to be sure I get the updated version
The parts catalog is not out yet so i do not have the # unfortunately
Witch models will have this new suspension in 2023? Thanks. Outstanding job.
thank you i appreciate that. The boost models will have the new coupler block design
Love this video thanks! How much difference is the push in the corners from a 128 to a 136? Does the tipped rails help that much?
Minimal IF any differnece at all! yes they work
@@JESSEJAMES322 Are you saying minimal difference between the 128 and 136? And what if you stud both? I’ve never had a 136,137 just don’t want to get one and be disappointed to lose cornering ability.
If this means anything too ya- Im an ex snocross racer - always had short track trail sleds as well - they were unbeatable - so I thought...one day a buddy asked me to set up his sled - he pulled in with a long track sled (instant eye roll)...by mid day and many miles on his long track sled, I bought my first Assault (2011)...NEVER looked back or wished I had anything less than the 137" (we have new XCR and Indy XC's - all 137") ...just don't over-stud them and you'll be amazed. They corner great, they ride the moguls great - they do everything great. I won't own anything less...I can almost bet short sleds will fizzle out within the next few years anyway.
@@Crushin123 Thanks
you will not notice a difference between a 128/136 or a 129/137. Its minimal. And as BeaverLiquor said even the assault works great!!
Will the Velocity high low with rebound that are on the CC race sled possibly work on the 2022 Assault?
the fronts would work but the rears on an assault are different lengths.
Does Bruce know if we can put the New clutch on our older 850s??That would be awesome instead of rebuilding my old one or having one on the shelf ready to go 👍👍
To mine and Bruces knowledge YES but we have not been able to try and to confirm
Jesse/Bruce - Seems that normally they put new engine mills into the Mountain stuff first... do you guys think the 9R will hit the trail segment in a year or two?
This is just Jesse answering and yes i would think that would be coming for sure!
That new torsion spring that is mentioned [rectangular] would it be good for a 230lb guy or would it be to rough, cause I'm bottoming out quite a bit right now with the factory set up on max?
hey Al. I would recommend the Heavy Duty springs not the xtra heavy duty. That would be a better fit for you and your weight!
Would love to get into a Matryx. I love my Axys 850 but I've heard the Matryx is something else
Matryx is a step above the Axys for sure!
Speaking of Assaults (22' 850) you or the big man have an opinion on 6 or 8 inch Slim Jim Doolys for C&A's with a 2 inch lug? Preload is set for 245 lbs. Was set on 8, but hearing conflicting opinions on that.
I would not go with a set of doolys. You’re going to loose front end grip not gain It. The doolys split the pounds per square inch and actually decrease grip. I would recommend a set of 8 inch mavericks
Hey Jesse, this isn’t on topic with this video but a question non the less. Why do the Vr1’s and Xc’s have 2.86 129/137 tracks and the Xrc’s are 2.52 pitch 128/136?
Bruce and I touch on that topic in this video!czcams.com/video/a07gxZkHA7k/video.html
First, it would be nice to see what we get in 2022 cause were still waiting on our order from last March 2021. Now were talking 2023 Snowcheck. Not cool!!!!
i know i know. But life must go on. Some guys drew the extremely unfortunate pill this year. I know it sucks and i would be upset as well but the manufactuerers still need to keep doing what theyre doing. Dealers are CHOPPED on sled orders because POLARIS does not want this to happen again
@@JESSEJAMES322
Great channel by the way. My favourite.
Just got my 2023 xcr snowcheck. Back end feels very soft! Doesn't even come back up after compression with no weight on it. Torsion turned to high. Any ideas?
the valving in the XCR's are extremely soft. not sure how may videos of mine you watched last year but we had to revalve all the shocks to get them to work properly. I had my rears out 3 or 4 times testing new stuff trying to get them to work.
any comments on the new 9R mod engine? Did Bruce have a chance to ride one?
Bruce didnt even hear about the 9R until 30 mins before the release. Not even kidding so no he was not able to ride one unfortunately
Does the 2024 switchback xc 650. Have an uncoupled suspension, same as the assault?
yes It does.
So if i am 345lbs before gear and ordered a boost vr1 137, do you suggest a heavy duty torsion spring or extra heavy duty spring?
You are absolutely in need of the XHD springs and shock revalving for many reasons. 1. Slow the rebound down so It doesn’t pogo with all that soring. 2. Becauee you need more dampening force due to your weight 3. Would Also recommend stiffer front ski springs because of your weight.
Any advice on lifts from anyone out there? I'm thinking Extreme Max Aluminum, but seems like a lotta peeps swear on Black Ice and a few others.
I wish I knew the brand of my lift
How’s the assault handle on the trails compared to an xcr 136?
Assaults handle great. I would be just as fast on an assault as i would be on my XCR hands down
So jessie I'm a big guy weight wise and ride hard on my 22xcr. I should probably go to the xhd torsion springs but am curious how much the ride quality will change and what changes I should expect?
I'm 285 lbs. I have xhd on my vr1 and low setting it works well. Buy I agree 100% it needs a rebound adjustment or you will have it topping out. I think I need a front track spring change as well.
As Bruce said the bigger springs with less preload will actually feel more plush. Even on an XCR you should have a valving change to slow the rebound on the rear shock done. but aside from that you will like the ride much better in my opinion. They will support you and the sled much better
Wade for sure on a VR1 you need a rebound valving adjustment. The XCR's have more rebound in them so its nto 100% needed but we do recommend. On a VR1 you absolutely need rebound changed even with HD.
Could you discuss more about when one would want to tighten up the front limiter strap. No matter what adjustment I make, the front always seems too light & wants to push. Wondering if tightening the limiter strap will help get more ski pressure or is this not a good idea? Thanks!
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think if you want more ski pressure you "loosen" the strap. Also, maybe run the rear shock in its softest setting and set the coupled block to its thickest setting as Jesse and Bruce were showing>
Hey Doug so short answer is yes. Shortening the limiter will increase ski pressure. BUT before you did that what changed did you make? What sled? How much do you weigh? What torsion springs? How much preload on your front ski springs? What carbides?
not correct. Shorter strap is more ski pressure because you're pulling the front of the track off the ground. you could change couplers but there are a ton of other adjustments before id go to the couplers!
Just a major warning if you tighten up that front limiter strap your sled will be unstable at speed!! I did this last year and at 60 mph you can catch an edge on the trail and toss you off in your side!! Shaper bars are the way to make any sled steer I've been running the 9.5 inch shapers for two years now and there awesome,I also run modified Xtra hd rear springs I bent the tangs but after watching this video I probably bent them to about the regular HD springs 👍 Also run the least amount of preload you can in that front shock spring 👍👍
Thanks Jesse/everyone, what I have tried to get more ski pressure to date is: rear springs (stock/std) on stiff setting, reduced the front ski spring preload but still have some adjustment remaining, & am running 6” Woodys dual carbides.
YES YES YES!!!
Knew you'd be pumped for two videos in one day!
@@JESSEJAMES322 I Was like Whaaaat!!! It's my lucky Day!!!
This is off subject I live right off the c4 railroad bed trail outside of Central square and a town called penneville I usually ride right from my family's farm all the way up to the Montague area and I've even been up to moose lake and eagle Bay when I had the time to stay in a lodge my point is somebody died from New Jersey and tug Hill 2 days ago I think all they released was his name was Nick and it was a head-on I really hope it has nothing to do with your guys's crew I love watching your station and would hate for anything bad like that to ever happen to you your people. But anyhow this is a dangerous sport and I think about it every time I ride a brand new 2022 xcr
hey Cory. wasnt any of my guys thankfully. we are all safe and sound. that was a very very bad wreck
2023 XCR 650 136 , 1.35 cobra or 1.6 storm for groomed trails only.
Thanks
1.35. best trail track out in my opinion!
Yes😁
:)
Maybe it’s been asked but why the heck did they put the boost in the VR1 and not the XCR?!
Poalris thinks the XCR buyer is not looking for boost power. They think the XCR buyer just wants to smash beat up trails and doesnt care about the big HP. I do not agree with that but that is their thinking. id assume the XCR has a 9R in it next year
I’ve seen several xc’s and xcr’s where the rss never touches the blocks when compressed. All on high. People love how they wheelie, I’d rather turn. Basically mine is uncoupled. Along with several others we’ve tested. Am I missing something? We’ve tried at all different angles.
Then something else is wrong because that suspension should be hitting them extremely frequently. How do you know its not coming in conatct with them?
@@JESSEJAMES322 when changing block positions, we always compress the skid by hand to make sure the blocks are flat instead of catching a corner. That’s when we noticed they didn’t touch anyway. Can actually see the rss get as far as they will go, then move back toward the front. The blocks were spotless after 1000 miles as well. I had taller aluminum ones c&c’d. Huge difference, but not knowing why stock they don’t contact, has been driving me nuts. Polaris basically said myself, and the dealer who agreed they don’t touch, were wrong when they submitted a ticket.
HMMMM. I have never heard of that. Mine on my XCR are beat to shit from contact. SOmething seems very off. did the dealer look at this? what did they say? message me on facebook and send some pictiures if you can
myrtle unless you lift the front track shock off the ground the blocks are never going to hit!! they will only hit when the front arm is not compressed and the rear is which you cannot do on flat ground....If you would like to try it jack up the front of the sled until the track comes off the ground than push in the rear,you'll be surprised on how soft and how quick it hits those stops!!
@@youareright5431 I have tried it with a stand hooked on the front bumper. May not have had it high enough to get the shock off the ground though. I’ll give it a shot. Thanks!
What’s better on gas a 650 or 850? I’m assuming the 850 Boost is going to use more gas than the 850? Maybe a question for Bruce when riding with a riding group a 100 miles and someone in the group has a 650 and someone has a 850 and they weigh the same and have the same tracks are both gas gauges the same at say 50% or is one 45% and one 55%?
gas usage is strictly based off throttle usage. I ride and 850 as you know and everyone i ride with has an 850. i normally get 2+ more gallons when we fill up because my excissive throttle usage. some would go for a 650. There is no way to break it downbecause its dependent on the rideer. Im sure the boost will use more as it needs more fuel to match the amount of air getting shoved in its throat
@@JESSEJAMES322 OK so really a 650 and 850 is probably about the same gas mileage but if you’re heavy on the throttle maybe the 850 will work a little less harder than 650
Can you post the part# for the new XHD
the parts catoalog is not even out yet unfortunately
Has Polaris come out with a part number for the xhd spring you talk about in this video?
checking on that this week
Awesome,hope you get an answer so I can exchange the one I purchased for the new one.
so they are actual two separate part #'s as they dont come in a pair which are below
7045924-329
7045925-329
@@JESSEJAMES322 anything to get more money out of you, thx for the reply.
Have you verified this part number,tried ordering this part number but was told this spring has a lower poundage than the old xhd
Was expecting a price increase but 1300 bucks more for identical xcr as last year is a bit much in my opinion
i know its getting pricey but everything in this world is out of control price wise
Maybe if everyone just settles down and stops buying for awhile everything will catch up and the prices will come down. It seems like money is no option any more for some people so the manufacturers can ask what ever they wants and they still sell everything. Dam covid!
@@riverrunner4958 if we stop buying the prices will come down. That goes for everything we buy
Is the Assault coming with the HD spring
nope
No. Many Matryx Assault owners have put in the light duty torsion spring, because the standard torsion spring was too stiff.
I know your dying for the 9R ....just sayin......love the vids !!!
i would like that!!
What's oiling that turbo
I do not know the details of all of that.... YET!!!
A very small electric oil pump, fed from the main oil tank, feeds the turbocharger.
Southside out of vr1 boosts already?
i dont know. have to call.
I meant 2023