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I'd been studying the Rapier for about 10 years before picking up the longsword, one of the first things I noticed was just how vulnerable the hands are. It required a big shift in thinking and forethought to start protecting my hands actively rather than relying on the guard to do it's job. It also took a little while to start thinking of the hands as primary targets. I was just so used to going directly for the face and torso with those long thrusts. Great video and good fencing!
I think the real advantage of the longsword is something that we can't demonstrate safely. I feel that many of the hits to the body the outside with the rapier would be superficial wounds compared to the cutting ability of the longsword. I certainly wouldn't want to get cut by a rapier, but in a double I'd rather have the longsword.
Most cuts with a rapier would certainly be superficial. Location is everything. In my school we generally discount cuts to the body, really only worrying about cuts to the head and hands or in particularly vulnerable places such as the throat or under the arm. I suspect Sellsword here has a fair bit of saber experience as generally a Rapier specialist would focus much more on the thrust with far fewer cuts.
@@resolvedinsteelI mean that's your perogative but I'm not sure why you'd not count cuts to the body when they could also be fatal. It of course depends on the exact rapier we're talking about, but they're predominantly cut and thrust weapons with approximately the same mass as a longsword. A sharp rapier will cut to bone, and a body shot could easily cut down to organs.
Cuts to the body can be absolutely devastating, additionally this is a dueling test. Delivering a fatal blow is not the goal. Most duals were to first blood or to satisfaction. Deliberate duels to the death were much rarer.
@@SellswordArts Thanks for the reply. This is true, but I prefer to look at it from the perspective of a battle because of that battle (was it the Portuguese?) using rapiers against katanas. I didn't feel the hits of course, but it seems like some of your cuts to the body with the rapier would not be fight-ending to an unarmored or armored opponent. Thoughts?
If you mean the battle of Cagayan, then it depends. There are very few reliable sources on the battle to paint a definitive picture of how it went. Hypothetically, the Spaniards would've made use of firearms extensively to ward off lesser equipped pirates. For clearing decks, the montante was a notable weapon of use, though I'm not sure about which years in which that sword was used right now, so it's very possible that the montante was not used during that period. I suppose the point is that the rapier is a specialized sword for dueling in particular, but also doubled as a battlefield weapon as a backup to a pike or polearm. But the same can be said for just about any sword. The right tool for the right job👍
A good illustration of how War Weapons like Longswords and Dueling Weapons like Rapiers differ in function and tactics. without armor, the Rapier dominates, WITH armor, the longsword dominates (as the rapier's cuts would've been largely ineffective). It's like an older Tank. Great in war, with a platoon of infantry protecting it and military infrastructure supporting it. Not great without it's "armor" of infantry, as infantry with hand-held explosives/firearms and guerilla tactics can easily defeat a lone tank in close quarters.
Greetings fellow human. I am a new subscriber. I found your channel because the CZcams algorithm serves me Shadiversity on my TV. I'm not a sword nerd. I'm a Tolkien nerd, so I'm sword nerd adjacent. I have a video recommendation for you. Let's Ask Sensei channel's "How would a katana sword master fight with a halberd." The thing that I love the most about the video is the pure JOY in his face. He's grinning ear to ear while pwning his student, who has real fear in his eyes a couple times. He kept saying, "I want a real one." That kind of JOY is why I like Shadiversity. These are nerds having FUN. Their amateur status is obvious, so there's no need for a professional like you to put them down or discourage people from watching. (That's a douche move for anyone, btw.) In the obviously un-flattering clips of you, you mention finding their sort of content "depressing." You come across as being a bit full of yourself, really. You got to turn your hobby and passion into your profession. These nerds get to do that as amateur CZcamsrs. Focus your feelings on JOY and FUN, and you will not only keep the viewers who find your channel because "star wars" ,"lord of the rings" was in your meta-data, but it may become habit-forming, and your whole outlook on life might improve. Wishing ALL the folks out there turning their fun into their job continued success. Mellowest of vibes unto thee. Live long and prosper.
If you ever do live streams while I'm at my desk, I'll drop a fat superchat for you. I use CZcams on my PC completely differently than on my TV. Here, my shortcut goes to my Subscriptions, and am completely unaffected by the Algorithm. I use my TV un-logged in, and it serves up stuff I like (at least, I understand why it's there based on my watch and search history). I search very seldom, because it's freaking annoying on the TV. Watching on TV, I've gained some understanding of how it works. My path to you was Tolkien > Shadiversity > You.
I 100% agree with your sentiment about Shadiversity but how is that relevant to this video? Also all of Seki Senseis videos with European weapons are great.
Shadiversity is a loser clown who spends more time spreading vitriolic hate in fear of "the woke!!" and pedalling AI art as his own than making anything approximating watchable videos, thanks!
Always fun to watch mixed wrapon combat, buy I definitely get the sense that it's more on the fighter than the weapon itself for the point scoring. In my experience with mixed weapons (not a giant amount, but I've had a few bouts) whether it's rapier vs longsword, or two messers vs longsword, I've been able to hold my own, but of course ymmv
Yeah, people will try and say otherwise but the argument of "weapon only matters" falls on its face when you can say "hand a rapier or polearm to a child and see what happens". People need to realize that advantages aren't automatic win cons and disadvantages aren't automatic lose cons. Weapons do matter, very much so, but like any combat sport it's mostly the user.
Hey, y'all! Absolutely love the content, as usual. I just wanted to point out, one fencer and extreme HEMA nerd to two others, that it looks like several of Clark's (Clarke's?) blows that are counted as hits land heavily with the flat. I noticed this in the longsword-versus-everything video the other day too. Not to say that getting smacked in the face with the flat of a longsword would be pleasant, but I'm curious why y'all chose to count these as substantive hits. Also, just to be clear, this is meant as constructive criticism. No shade to Clark(e) whatsoever. On a related note, I'm wondering if landing numerous flat strikes is a consequence of favoring thumb grib from pflug as the default guard. Pure speculation, but I'm curious as that's not my default fencing position. Anyway, keep up the superb work. Cheers!
Interesting. In our experiment I won, fighting with a longsword. Because I constantly managed to move my opponent`s blade and enter. Since I could push it with both hands, it was very easy to do. Although rapier`s longer range did give me a lot of trouble. I also had the impression, that rapier might be very fast in stabbing, but it`s also very slow in any other movements... but I`m not sure, I`m quite new with it.
@@randomnickify well, it`s also a matter of comfort. It`s not really easy to bring a longsword to your daily actitivies. Besides, I was quite sure that a rapier is an evolutions of a costume sword. Or of a medieval sword, for that matter.
If you managed that, your opponent likely didn't know how to properly disengage. It's laughably easy to avoid the bind with a rapier if that is what you wish to do
Why is your gear so rusty? No shade, just curious. In the SCA, we have strict regulations about rusty equipment, but is there any advantage to it? Less maintenance when a layer of rust forms? I would recommend using max wax if you decide to clean them up though.
If you do more of your stuff you should play swordsman VR or it might just be called Swordsman it's the closest thing you'll get to real sword fighting on VR
Is there a website to find legit hema instructors? I’m in California and have been training kendo for a while. The use of pommels and cross guard has peaked my interest
Your Rapier work reminds me of Raphael from Soulcalibur 2. Also, I have huge respect for the marriage of time, technique, and composure that speaks so clearly amidst the cut and thrust. It's impressive, and a great example to set for all the other martial artists out there seeking The Horizon
Next round: Katana VS Longsword I feel as though these weapons are very similar, and I am interested in seeing how they stack up to each other. I have preference towards the katana, not because I’m a weeb (I’ve never watched an anime in my life) But because I’ve trained it with katana. But because I don’t have any access to a long sword, I can’t compare them for myself
Eh, depends on the longsword. Many longswords were meant to be used in civilian contexts, others were more specialized for fighting armored opponents, and many were just versatile enough to use in whatever situation you found yourself in well enough if you could only afford or wanted one sword.
What I’m taking away from this is it doesn’t matter the sword as much as the skill with said sword Edit: I was wrong, it is the sword, however I imagine skill is still needed lol
It's a mix of things. If you are a better fencer in general, you may be able to defeat a considerably worse fencer with a sword that has shortcomings in one or another area. But people of equal skill, the rapier won. But the Longsword is a versatile weapon, the rapier is really ONLY good for dueling and self defence
@@SellswordArtsnot really, hand a 5 year old a rapier and have the child go against a longswordist and see what happens. The only time where there's a true disadvantage for the longsword or really any sword is against a polearm not another sword. Also there's no verifiable way to say that two equally skilled components where the rapier wins, that's just conjecture, no offense ofc. Edit: to correct myself greatswords are very effective against really anything.
Couldve picked a longer longsword. I get it though, you have to appease rapier enthusiasts with a few wins. They are the the new Katana weebs of the sword world.
That is an extremely long longsword. The Sigi standard has a 40in blade. Rapiers, especially later period Rapiers were very long. I think that you are misinformed
That is not a longsword, that is a great sword. That's an entirely a-historical length for a longsword. Are you confusing overall length with blade length?
@@SellswordArts I see you will never survive then u need to be aggressive but calm and collective always keep ur sword moving never letting ur enemy know what you are going to do next
Not when it's incorrect ill-informed advice for an anonymous unproven source. There's multiple treatises talking about the perils of being overly aggressive. A good swordsman or martial artist in general always considers the source.
I'd been studying the Rapier for about 10 years before picking up the longsword, one of the first things I noticed was just how vulnerable the hands are. It required a big shift in thinking and forethought to start protecting my hands actively rather than relying on the guard to do it's job. It also took a little while to start thinking of the hands as primary targets. I was just so used to going directly for the face and torso with those long thrusts. Great video and good fencing!
same when switching from military saber to literally anything 🤣
I think the real advantage of the longsword is something that we can't demonstrate safely. I feel that many of the hits to the body the outside with the rapier would be superficial wounds compared to the cutting ability of the longsword. I certainly wouldn't want to get cut by a rapier, but in a double I'd rather have the longsword.
Most cuts with a rapier would certainly be superficial. Location is everything. In my school we generally discount cuts to the body, really only worrying about cuts to the head and hands or in particularly vulnerable places such as the throat or under the arm. I suspect Sellsword here has a fair bit of saber experience as generally a Rapier specialist would focus much more on the thrust with far fewer cuts.
@@resolvedinsteelI mean that's your perogative but I'm not sure why you'd not count cuts to the body when they could also be fatal. It of course depends on the exact rapier we're talking about, but they're predominantly cut and thrust weapons with approximately the same mass as a longsword. A sharp rapier will cut to bone, and a body shot could easily cut down to organs.
Cuts to the body can be absolutely devastating, additionally this is a dueling test. Delivering a fatal blow is not the goal.
Most duals were to first blood or to satisfaction. Deliberate duels to the death were much rarer.
@@SellswordArts Thanks for the reply. This is true, but I prefer to look at it from the perspective of a battle because of that battle (was it the Portuguese?) using rapiers against katanas. I didn't feel the hits of course, but it seems like some of your cuts to the body with the rapier would not be fight-ending to an unarmored or armored opponent. Thoughts?
If you mean the battle of Cagayan, then it depends. There are very few reliable sources on the battle to paint a definitive picture of how it went. Hypothetically, the Spaniards would've made use of firearms extensively to ward off lesser equipped pirates. For clearing decks, the montante was a notable weapon of use, though I'm not sure about which years in which that sword was used right now, so it's very possible that the montante was not used during that period. I suppose the point is that the rapier is a specialized sword for dueling in particular, but also doubled as a battlefield weapon as a backup to a pike or polearm. But the same can be said for just about any sword. The right tool for the right job👍
I quite like the discussion after the combat! Keep it up!
This was really awesome to watch. Great fencing by both of you!
Is no one gonna notice that this is just the Guts vs Griffin fight but indoors
Nah that fight would be great sword vs saber
Guts’s sword probably counts as a Greatsword. If not it’d be an even greater sword
@@Drio323 No, because they’re really not that similar.
I mean when they are outside and Guts tells Griffith that he wants to leave the Crew like guts's old sword
@@Drio323 Nope, even guts's old sword counts as a greatsword
I enjoyed this type of video! Battle first, analysis after! 👍🏽
A good illustration of how War Weapons like Longswords and Dueling Weapons like Rapiers differ in function and tactics.
without armor, the Rapier dominates, WITH armor, the longsword dominates (as the rapier's cuts would've been largely ineffective).
It's like an older Tank. Great in war, with a platoon of infantry protecting it and military infrastructure supporting it. Not great without it's "armor" of infantry, as infantry with hand-held explosives/firearms and guerilla tactics can easily defeat a lone tank in close quarters.
I love your collection of flags ♥
@@Karackal they support Ukraine ? Cool !
This was a quite educational video.
It`s funny that just a week ago I did the very same experiment with my friends. Let`s see if we arrived to the same conclusions!
😮 it definitely became an equalizer. Based on you saying he was more experienced. That was awesome
Greetings fellow human. I am a new subscriber. I found your channel because the CZcams algorithm serves me Shadiversity on my TV. I'm not a sword nerd. I'm a Tolkien nerd, so I'm sword nerd adjacent. I have a video recommendation for you. Let's Ask Sensei channel's "How would a katana sword master fight with a halberd." The thing that I love the most about the video is the pure JOY in his face. He's grinning ear to ear while pwning his student, who has real fear in his eyes a couple times. He kept saying, "I want a real one."
That kind of JOY is why I like Shadiversity. These are nerds having FUN. Their amateur status is obvious, so there's no need for a professional like you to put them down or discourage people from watching. (That's a douche move for anyone, btw.) In the obviously un-flattering clips of you, you mention finding their sort of content "depressing." You come across as being a bit full of yourself, really.
You got to turn your hobby and passion into your profession. These nerds get to do that as amateur CZcamsrs. Focus your feelings on JOY and FUN, and you will not only keep the viewers who find your channel because "star wars" ,"lord of the rings" was in your meta-data, but it may become habit-forming, and your whole outlook on life might improve.
Wishing ALL the folks out there turning their fun into their job continued success. Mellowest of vibes unto thee. Live long and prosper.
If you ever do live streams while I'm at my desk, I'll drop a fat superchat for you. I use CZcams on my PC completely differently than on my TV. Here, my shortcut goes to my Subscriptions, and am completely unaffected by the Algorithm. I use my TV un-logged in, and it serves up stuff I like (at least, I understand why it's there based on my watch and search history). I search very seldom, because it's freaking annoying on the TV. Watching on TV, I've gained some understanding of how it works. My path to you was Tolkien > Shadiversity > You.
Nerds having fun spreading bull and attacking other youtubers who have the slightest criticism for that bull, that's what they are.
I 100% agree with your sentiment about Shadiversity but how is that relevant to this video?
Also all of Seki Senseis videos with European weapons are great.
@@galactigo4463 It was the most recent video when I wrote this, so I thought it might get read.
Shadiversity is a loser clown who spends more time spreading vitriolic hate in fear of "the woke!!" and pedalling AI art as his own than making anything approximating watchable videos, thanks!
Always fun to watch mixed wrapon combat, buy I definitely get the sense that it's more on the fighter than the weapon itself for the point scoring. In my experience with mixed weapons (not a giant amount, but I've had a few bouts) whether it's rapier vs longsword, or two messers vs longsword, I've been able to hold my own, but of course ymmv
Sure, they did test all of these with both fencers though- half where red jacket uses longsword, half where he uses rapier
Yeah, people will try and say otherwise but the argument of "weapon only matters" falls on its face when you can say "hand a rapier or polearm to a child and see what happens".
People need to realize that advantages aren't automatic win cons and disadvantages aren't automatic lose cons.
Weapons do matter, very much so, but like any combat sport it's mostly the user.
whole time i was watching this i was like, "this is a saber guy using a rapier"
and sure enough in his next video he was using a saber
I am a rapier guy and a saber guy 😁
I would like to see this with Rapier + parrying dagger vs Long sword, even long sword with a shield (since at some shield size, you compromise a lot).
Hey, y'all! Absolutely love the content, as usual. I just wanted to point out, one fencer and extreme HEMA nerd to two others, that it looks like several of Clark's (Clarke's?) blows that are counted as hits land heavily with the flat. I noticed this in the longsword-versus-everything video the other day too. Not to say that getting smacked in the face with the flat of a longsword would be pleasant, but I'm curious why y'all chose to count these as substantive hits. Also, just to be clear, this is meant as constructive criticism. No shade to Clark(e) whatsoever. On a related note, I'm wondering if landing numerous flat strikes is a consequence of favoring thumb grib from pflug as the default guard. Pure speculation, but I'm curious as that's not my default fencing position.
Anyway, keep up the superb work. Cheers!
Interesting. In our experiment I won, fighting with a longsword. Because I constantly managed to move my opponent`s blade and enter. Since I could push it with both hands, it was very easy to do. Although rapier`s longer range did give me a lot of trouble.
I also had the impression, that rapier might be very fast in stabbing, but it`s also very slow in any other movements... but I`m not sure, I`m quite new with it.
Longswords evolved into rapiers(eventually), you do not evolve into worse weapon :)
@@randomnickify well, it`s also a matter of comfort. It`s not really easy to bring a longsword to your daily actitivies.
Besides, I was quite sure that a rapier is an evolutions of a costume sword. Or of a medieval sword, for that matter.
If you managed that, your opponent likely didn't know how to properly disengage. It's laughably easy to avoid the bind with a rapier if that is what you wish to do
Sounds like a skill issue on your opponents side.
@@renamamiya158 probably. We both did HEMA only for 1 year.
Why is your gear so rusty? No shade, just curious. In the SCA, we have strict regulations about rusty equipment, but is there any advantage to it? Less maintenance when a layer of rust forms? I would recommend using max wax if you decide to clean them up though.
I am curious how a longsword with side and finger rings would perform.
The exchange at 3:10 was just * chef’s kiss *
This was a cool video, but the rust on those swords is bothering me much more than it has any right to 😅
If you do more of your stuff you should play swordsman VR or it might just be called Swordsman it's the closest thing you'll get to real sword fighting on VR
Is there a website to find legit hema instructors? I’m in California and have been training kendo for a while. The use of pommels and cross guard has peaked my interest
Check out www.truesteeltraining.com!
@@SellswordArts thanks!
Your Rapier work reminds me of Raphael from Soulcalibur 2. Also, I have huge respect for the marriage of time, technique, and composure that speaks so clearly amidst the cut and thrust. It's impressive, and a great example to set for all the other martial artists out there seeking The Horizon
Oh! You're going to upload those parts individualy as well! That's actually an good idea
Good vid
yah rapier is awesome!
Awsome bro🎉
What rapier are you using
Next round: Katana VS Longsword
I feel as though these weapons are very similar, and I am interested in seeing how they stack up to each other. I have preference towards the katana, not because I’m a weeb (I’ve never watched an anime in my life) But because I’ve trained it with katana. But because I don’t have any access to a long sword, I can’t compare them for myself
The Estoc is cool. Can you make a video about it? Or at least a short? It's gotta be my favorite weapon, besides the Hand and a Half.
Estocs are really just extra stif longswords without a cutting edge.
Great fights but man those are the rustiest swords ive ever seen.
Winner fights indiana jones
Why do they look so rusty in the discussion session?
well, llook like rapier is more useful in duels but longswords designed for cuttin mediavel peasant foot soldiers
nice video thanks
Eh, depends on the longsword. Many longswords were meant to be used in civilian contexts, others were more specialized for fighting armored opponents, and many were just versatile enough to use in whatever situation you found yourself in well enough if you could only afford or wanted one sword.
What I’m taking away from this is it doesn’t matter the sword as much as the skill with said sword
Edit: I was wrong, it is the sword, however I imagine skill is still needed lol
No, the opposite
@@SellswordArts oh?? Well then, that’s my bad. I love learning about this kinda stuff dude.
It's a mix of things. If you are a better fencer in general, you may be able to defeat a considerably worse fencer with a sword that has shortcomings in one or another area. But people of equal skill, the rapier won.
But the Longsword is a versatile weapon, the rapier is really ONLY good for dueling and self defence
Its a mix, to say that a rapierist is always gonna beat the longswordist is funny.
@@SellswordArtsnot really, hand a 5 year old a rapier and have the child go against a longswordist and see what happens.
The only time where there's a true disadvantage for the longsword or really any sword is against a polearm not another sword.
Also there's no verifiable way to say that two equally skilled components where the rapier wins, that's just conjecture, no offense ofc.
Edit: to correct myself greatswords are very effective against really anything.
you could easily beat any other sword youtuber
Can a rapier wound a guy in full armor? I think a long sword with a full armor is going to win 😁
One of my fav scriptures is 2 Kings 6:5-7... and the axehead did swim... Shows that we really don't know everything!
Couldve picked a longer longsword. I get it though, you have to appease rapier enthusiasts with a few wins. They are the the new Katana weebs of the sword world.
That is an extremely long longsword.
The Sigi standard has a 40in blade.
Rapiers, especially later period Rapiers were very long.
I think that you are misinformed
@@SellswordArts That's short, 59-60" would be more appropriate for this demonstration.
That is not a longsword, that is a great sword. That's an entirely a-historical length for a longsword.
Are you confusing overall length with blade length?
@SellswordArts Measurements or it's all heresay.
Nope long sword will always be better then the Revere the dude wasn't being aggressive with the long sword that is what it is intended to be used for
Incorrect
@@SellswordArts I see you will never survive then u need to be aggressive but calm and collective always keep ur sword moving never letting ur enemy know what you are going to do next
Are you seriously trying to give me instructions on how to use a longsword?
@@SellswordArts yes I am u can take it or leave it a good sword men always takes some advice
Not when it's incorrect ill-informed advice for an anonymous unproven source.
There's multiple treatises talking about the perils of being overly aggressive.
A good swordsman or martial artist in general always considers the source.