Here's why I sold my Lotus Emira and bought a McLaren..
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
- I recently decided to sell my Lotus Emira and then went on the hunt for something special to replace it with and here it is!
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Appreciate the shout out, glad we could help.
You should be congratulated for your honesty on what to look for and how much £££ a seemingly " showroom fresh " used mclaren can bite you .
Damn it, now I definitely know its a mclaren before the cover came off! Thanks Thorney!
Mclaren Legends.
Top tip, don't read the comments before watching the video, if you don't want spoilers on the video @@NowGoWalkOutTheDoor😅
I’m sure it will be coming your way for servicing 👍
The fatal comment, “We’ll just go and have a look!” 😊
How many times have I "just" said that.
My mother said that to me about my oldman ‘he’s just gone to look at it’
Yeah mum,but he’s taken the trailer with him 🫣
@@WarmwaterEddie +1
“….but you see it was an absolute bargain….” Yes…just having a look is a very dangerous move!😀😀😀😀
my wife knows what that means now (after a few cars bought 'having a look') so any man maths is strictly reviewed before appointments are made...!
It’s a testament to Harry and the way he comes across that he can say something like, “I walk into the garage and I don’t know which car to choose” and not sound the slightest bit pretentious.
I wonder how often the Countach goes to Tesco's, given that it's the preferred car for any trip?! "Just nipping to the shops love" ... Several hours later the red missile pulls into a small Ullapool supermarket carpark.
And then follow up with "it's nearly always the Countach" and we all nod like of course it is!
And that is why we can relate to him, even though our transport options are more limited. In my case: my car, the wife's car (no thank you), the bike, or the bus. Hmm perhaps I need a motorcycle again..?
Master class of presentation. No tat, no screams and whoooop whoops, just a compelling watch. Pure 'Harry' Great stuff, and look forward to more on the experiences with the car.
This is exactly the kind of openness and personal conversation that made so many of us subscribe to Harry in the first place. Congratulations on your new McLaren!
Yes, exactly, Harry makes you feel like he’s telling you as a friend. This isn’t something you can just conjure up, it’s genuine.
Really respect Harry’s openness on his full thought process, the cars he considered and the cost involved. As a viewer it’s nice to have a window into this.
Yes indeed
The nice thing about Harry is he takes you along with him . He's spending 50-60 K on a car and you're glad he managed the deal. 😮😊
50-60k + the Lotus!
A comparative Lotus Emira alternative would be an A110 or Alfa 4C. Not a McLaren 4x the value. The emira must be very good value if this is considered a replacement
This is a matter of perspective: fundamentally the emira is very similar to the evora 400, which is a 50k car these days. With lotus still having qc issues, can you honestly say you’d have the looks and interior of the emira over 40k saved in your pocket with an evora? Another point to consider is depreciation, which matters to all of us, harry included. The emira has been unusual for a lotus in that they’ve lost nearly 20-25k in a small amount of time, compared to the steady residuals lotus usually have. McLaren by contrast have smoothed out the depreciation now they’ve changed their building practices with the change in management, so they’ve all slowed right down. See John thorns videos for more.
4x the value? You're not a math whiz are you
I'm happy for Harry and his new ride! Now back to reality and my 2013 Volvo S60 T5 with 145,000 miles.
4 cilinder ford? So sorry....
xc70 owner here..
I would rather your T5 over Harry’s new “purple” ride 😆🍆
😂😂
@@HammAlexander Wrong, T5s had the 5 pot lump, lovely engine actually!!!
17:35 It looks very Purple in this Video Harry 👍
that's the amethyst in amethyst black.
@@johnandrews3568 Maybe go to the timestamp and find out what I'm talking about...
@@johnandrews3568 Its at its best in sunlight, where you experience a purple light on the bodywork. I am waiting for McLaren to start making the carbon fibre body panels in coloured strands. My choice would be black with a race red weave. That will blow your sox off with a matching mc laptop p1.
Could tell it was a McLaren immediately but wasn’t sure which one… they all look similar to be fair.
I love the way a "sports exhaust" is an option on a hypercar.
They'll fleece their gullible customers on everything they possibly can
Should rather be called Sportier Exhaust
Ask Ferrari owners about paying thousands just to install Car Play.
Just crazy isn't it, I saw Ferrari charging 7.5k for electric seats on a 600k car the other day.
Forget the car, thanks Harry I have discovered the bank of England inflation calculator😂
. You learn something new everyday
Too bad the inflation numbers are cooked. Real inflation is over 5%.
@@HUMC5Sadly, yes, the entire western world has decided to consider their citizens as morons incapable of understanding maths and are publishing pure fiction as their results for their inflation calculations.
@@HUMC5 Explain how you get that
When Britains most respected motoring journalist wants out, that is a serious kick in the teeth for Lotus. Wishing you all the best with your McLaren.
When a millionaire drops a £90k car for one that cost 4x that when new, only an idiot would think it was the fault of Lotus. Like if you trade in a Dacia Duster for a McLaren 570, not really a kick in the teeth for Dacia is it
@@apb3251 I am not an idiot and you have completely missed the point I was making. Incidentally if you bought a McLaren after a Dacia, it would be an upgrade and good luck to you.
So Harry didn't like the Lotus. Big deal. When he's fed up with the McLaren I suppose they will fold.
Or both 😏
@@eljayr4669 then you have missed my point. Lotus will sell numbers of these cars, already happened in China due to the owner. The supply issue in the UK is over and the second hand market has them near new for £68k so Harry is getting out before the loss is significant but him trading it in is not the fault of Lotus, he admits he just didn’t drive it enough to justify keeping it. Something anyone with multiple cars has faced in the past.
Harry - having fun a 650s Spider for 15,000 miles, the Michelins are far superior to the Pirelli’s. It’s like night and day. So much more grip, poise and feel.
It’s actually hard to name a tire manufacturer nowadays that is inferior to Pirelli in terms of grip levels in their sport line series. Any pick of good Chinese, Japanese, or South Korean brands will be far better, while being cheaper
Went through the whole process of specing the Lotus. To get rid of it so soon. Actually Lotus looked alot better in my opinion.
Looks like Mrs Harry has told him “no more new cars unless you sell one first!”😂😂😂
Know the feeling
He's said for years he has a one in, one out policy.
A real man doesn't listen to his wife when it comes to cars
@1 Car, one handbag , a pair shoes and a holiday in the Med.
Happy wife happy life 😂😂😂. Better than wife ask for another birkin
Sign of the times: going back to old or used cars because there aren't good new ones anymore.
There absolutely are but they cost 350k
Yeah I think that's a bit rich, this was £350,000 in today's money and this was a £50,000 with a trade in. A 765 is what he wanted, but he isn't spending 150k
The powers that be would rather you didn’t drive at all. If a buying a new car is uninspiring and far too costly for most, that suits them just fine.
@@OldskoolCatflap As long as they can drive and eat lots of meat!
At what point in the video did he mention wanting a 765?@@fraserwright9482
10 yrs old McL... Brave pill going on a long trip...
To be honest I’m more excited about the Emira. You can always buy higher speed, but the Emira strikes a neat balance of great, accessible performance and economy.
Yeah that’s where I’m at too. Looks like he caved to the power of branding.
@@rowen0fstrata I don't believe that he "caved" at all. He upgraded. That McLaren is a hell of a car. Ride like a firm luxury sport sedan. Steer like go-carts. And accelerate like the Devil Himself is after your car's soul.
Agreed.
Also I think the McLaren , especially in such a dark colour, looks so aggressive .
The Emira looks pure class .
When you took that 750S down through France your enthusiasm for it was infectious…nice to see a new addition to the garage.
When I saw the car covered I though he'd gone and bought one. Though he's got very close without spending nearly as much!
The story and the thought process from the Lotus to the Mclaren was genuinely fascinating. I went out to the drive and looked at my Civic for a few moments and my wife shouted "don't even think about it". Thing is, I was going to keep the Civic and upgrade her! hey ho
So nice to see that Harry is a mere mortal too. We have all been sucked in by the hype of a new car hitting the market and purchased something we ultimately didn't really want. The power of advertising and the associated hype. Good luck with thr McLaren. She looks a beauty.
That is an absolute stunner Harry, congratulations! Thank you for all the effort you go to in order to share your automotive journeys with us. Your style of presenting is top notch and I am always so excited when you upload something new. Enjoy the new addition to the garage!
Wow that's quite a car, I love the yellow accents and even that large lettering on the seats. Beautiful color as well, always thought that purple made for quite a classy and confident look.
I'm a bit bored of my new Astra. Might put another £50k in to PX for something else...
And you’ll still only have a third of a McLaren…. 😢
It is more than 50% of a 650s
So your happy to part with £51 K. Ha,only jokin`.There`s nothin` wrong with an Astra.
I've decided to put a new tyre on my Fiesta because I just don't like driving with a bald tyre.
Good move !
Great choice looks brilliant! I loved my 650s spider owned it around 18 months and would definitely recommend them!
If I were in Harry's position - walking into the garage, wondering which car to take for a thrash around the B-roads - I think that more often than not I'd pick the Elan.
Sophistication is all very well, but it can be a pain, too. Compared to today's ever-more bloated techno-toys, the Elan has all the sophistication of a bike, and that's what makes it [for me] such a long-term winner.
How nice to have a simple, lightweight, analogue, old-school car with an entry/ignition key and ordinary door handles, a simple engine and gearbox, and a well-sorted suspension. Modern cars seem to treat the driver as an optional accessory - just part of their 'assisted cruise' specification.
They decide how you can operate them (I get the impression that some won't even let you open the doors if they're not in the mood); the Elan just does what you tell it to. I like that. Yes, it's a Lotus, and yes, it'll probably go wrong, but at least you can beat it over the head with a Haynes manual and put it right yourself.
Congratulations Harry
I own an Evora 19plate, initially I was excited about replacing it with an Emira, the interior was astonishing in terms of functionality and quality, but something put me off, yes the Evora is not as civilised, but this morning I took it for a 5am trip to our cottage in Wales, traffic was light, I am still smiling at 5pm❤
And observed every 20 mph limit, of course. 😉
I loved my 19 plate GT410 Sport in Monaco white. Got Emira now which I equally love
I personally view the evora as being far more desirable. Imo, it's the best looking car lotus ever made, and they're apparently extremely reliable, at least the automatic versions are. I'm genuinely planning on getting one in the coming years.
I don't think you're missing out on much with this new lotus, it looks like a lumpy frog.
@@themidnighttavern6784the Evora is, indeed, a nice looking car. I personally think the Elite is the best looking Lotus with a huge nod to the mid-90's Espirit.
Gimme a supercharged Emira with a 6 speed and I’d need plastic surgery to remove the smile from my face.
I am gutted that Harry is selling his Emira but kudos on the replacement. As a diehard Lotus fan and Emira owner I am acutely sensitive to how the vibe on the Emira is trending - and it seems that we are out of the honeymoon period when everyone was just so stoked to get their hands on one. Warranty issues and "I'm selling my Emira" style videos and posts now appearing. What is interesting are the cars replacing Emiras in the garage and the cars that Emiras get cross shopped with. Porsche, McLaren, C8 Corvettes - these are all outstanding cars that are much more expensive (in Australia) than the Emira. I'm happy to own a car with super car looks but 1/2 to 1/3 the price.
Nice to know even Harry does the old “Low to high” filter.
It’s my go-to setting the moment the classifieds page loads up. 😄
I love the story of this purchase! You’ve just described the process so many of us go through I suspect - whatever the budget!
The Geely vision of Lotus is to use Lotus credential to sell Geely products. No disrespect to Chinese cars, my friend owns an Omoda 5 and it is a really good car, but I absolutely despise what Geely is doing. Those new Lotus people have been calling old Lotus fans and workers as 'bobblehats'.
The Geely vision is to sell cars & build a profitable brand. They're not jumping on the Lotus brand, heritage or credentials to flog other Geely products whatsoever. If they were bringing out Lotus Volvo, Lotus Polestar, Lotus Zeekr or even Lotus London Taxi variants then fair enough, but they're pushing Lotus in an unprecedented direction which Colin Chapman (& Fred Bu$hell....) could only have dreamed of.
Let the cryboys cry, because had they not bought Group Lotus, continuing to build an ever decreasing 300no Elises a year would have turned Hethel into a self storage facility or a Banham Poultry chicken farm to cover the overheads.
Omoda? You are from russia?
I absolutely agree, To me and other old Lotus people, the last Real LOTUS's were the Elise Exige and Evora,
Sadly oldies remember brands as they used to be, so having a great big EV SUV is just goig to kill the brand in alot of peoples eyes.....
The plan from the beginning was to use the brand equity to compete in the massive luxury race of China. This is why you protect your culture and Lotus is a huge part of British culture
I’ve been been following your channel for ages and love your contributions very much. This one though I am in a little bit of a shock. I took delivery of my Emira 6 weeks ago and must say it is a wonderful car and achingly beautiful to look at even at standstill. I can confirm all the troubles to order the car as well as getting it delivered. I can also agree that the Geely way of using the Lotus badge for selling electric cars is not the way forward, although it certainly kept Lotus alive. Your decision, although I have to respect it, will certainly not help Lotus, since you are one of the only CZcamsrs giving the best and right advice. Your Emira trip helped me with having to wait so long for mine. I am going to miss it in your garage.
Congrats Harry, this really is a car for you. I wish you many safe and fun lives with it and keep the video's coming. !!!
Harry, when YOU bail on Lotus, I fear for the company.
Worrying times I fear for L-o-t-u-s
15k-20k lost on a few thousand miles of driving
@@Jay-xr3sb such is depreciation. somehow, I think he'll be okay.
@@Jay-xr3sbbet it earned more than that in video views though
Geely already destroyed Volvo. They're just doing their next assassination.
WOW ! LOVE THE COLOUR. !
Beautiful Harry, just beautiful. All McLaren are wonderful, but this one is rare and special. A perfect addition to the garage.
Thank you for sharing this video Harry. I learned a lot. I think you have the best car videos by a MILE. Very thorough, very informative and entertaining. Can’t wait to watch your first road trip!!🙏🏻🏁
Lovely spec on that Harry, congrats!!
What a find! Stunning Sir! 👏👏😎
Utterly stunning Harry! Fabulous. Really look forward to seeing more of this. Michael
The first upgrade to this car has to be painting the wheels silver!
Congrats. You can hardly keep the smile off your face!
Cool spec !, Can't wait for a road trip video in this beauty!!!!
Geez Harry! I absolutely love the way you tell a story. Brilliant ❤
nice one Harry. Can't wait for further vids. That sound of the engine in the closing seconds is sublime. Thanks.
I still love my V6 Emira
3 year warranty and manual 400bhp. Spot on if you can only have 1 car.
Agreed, a Lotus w/warranty over a McLaren without.
I would like better seats and a lower seating position in my Emira. Still doing research… 🧐.
It's what the 3rd NSX should have been.
@@gbarton800 I have the solution to the seats. I promise.
That is a pretty special colour. Looks great!
Brilliant video just the right amount of suspense 13 minutes in and he uncovered the car with real excitement brilliant thst harry gets excited about his new purchase
Happy for you Harry!🎉
Congratulations Harry, very good choice!
Jack at Royal Steering wheels isn't too far from you Harry, man to see to sort out the steering wheel 👍 Done afew for me over the years.
Agreed, I got mine done there. Super job.
Done a few for me in the past and always doesn’t fine job 😎
Had mine done by Royal, great job.
Can also confirm, does a good job.
100pc agree. Retrimmed steering wheen will make the car feel fresh
Congratulations Harry. Lovely thought process about your new car. Thank you!
Best wishes Harry. Congratulations & may you enjoy this wonderful piece of engineering for a long time to come.
Bugger, I thought the Lotus was a winner? 😮
Edit; okay, makes sense now. 🤔
Quite - as a Lotus fan, I'd swap for £50k (if I was allowed...). 🎉
Ditto. But a 650s I’d be out the door too!
Car seems okay, company is a dud
It’s Chinese lol
@@TG-ts3xn Company is owned by Geely, but all production is in UK.
Wall played Harry.
That's a big win
That is a beautiful spec. It's greatly understated but with fine details in the carbon components, with the yellow accents adding POP throughout. Congrats!!
A stunning purchase, you look so very happy with it. I'm now looking at the classifieds!
If you didn’t know anything about McLaren and saw that car. You’d say it was brand-new. That design has not aged one second.
It’s not really fair to compare it to the Lotus. They are so far apart in the marketplace, in the ethos, and in the performance.
Great video- I love the fact Harry could be talking about any expensive car he has or wants but never sounds like a show off - just a proper car enthusiast ….. he consistently shows the young CZcamsrs like JWW or TGE how to do it.
JWW is not bad but he likes to play the rich guy show off
@@ianmuir3640 Shmee150 even more so
Very true, he's not a tosser like JWW
Stunning spec! Congrats Harry, perfect addition to the garage!
Terrific choice Harry and great detail in video. Your honesty, openness and authenticity are compelling. Lookingh forward to video of your driving new toy!
Beautiful Harry👌reckon you did well there. I’ve had Elises & Exiges in the past even had an Emira on order cancelled though..thought the same thing about Lotus going the wrong direction & currently running McLaren 570gt from Thorney Motorsport 👍
The Emira was a great daily and a pretty bullet proof car all in all. I think he will regret that.
A nice view of the full though process behind the decisions. Thanks for being so open about these things.
Massively pleased you’ve got this.
Today the Nimbus Grey Emira I ordered is being delivered.
I waited for two years.
I played your Emira video many times while I was waiting for it.
Thank you.
From Japan.
👏 beautiful classy choice as always, Sir Harry never disappoints. Enjoy in health and looking forward to the 650 content - another epic road trip!
Nicely Done!
A great story building, and it slipped away again! Only to really shine getting into 2023. Fascinating side-line-stories revving quietly.
Thank you.
Richard:Toronto
Very very good choice Sir. Worth the search and research. Brilliant.
Thanks Harry, for walking the journey many of us take!
However, I was struck by the McLaren’s horrendous depreciation made worse by the inflation adjustment factor, making it 50-66% by my rough maths. Ouch!
The Lotus holds its value way better & at a 1/3rd the price is definitely not 1/3 the car. I expect servicing will be 3x too.
I have contemplated the same dilemma but ended sticking with my 2017 Evora 400 as it’s sublime handling & 400bhp is perfect for real world canyon carving in Colorado, USA.
The problem with McLarens IMHO is far too much unusable power outside the track that combined with insane initial MSRP & depreciation is a complete killer.
Great reviews ‘though & luv the color.
Enjoy.
650S has depreciated and stabilised though- whereas Loti...
I still hate black wheels on anything
Bit racist
@@LawrenceTimme Which bit?
And wheels with an even number of spokes don’t work
Agree - silver alloy wheels looks great. Good example is Harry's ex Emira.
Yeah couldn’t agree more.👍🏻
Looks fantastic, look forward to seeing more of it.
Very nice! I'm excited for you and hope to see an in-depth review of it soon!
Congratulations Harry, great choice. Hoping to put a 650s spider alongside my Evora someday, if your ownership doesn’t bump up prices 😆 Sad to see Emira go, let me know if you’d like to sample an original Evora S for a bit 👍
The horror story I’m having with my Eletre R is unreal. Been completely bricked for 8 weeks after being in various service centres for weeks prior to that. Nightmare.
So a true Lotus after all. Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious.
Sorry to hear that, sounds a painful experience... Could you elaborate on your story with the car, I'm sure it will be something that others would be interested in hearing the details of? I was astonished at the lack of efficiency in the electric drivetrain when Harry tested one on his channel.
Why ‘buy’ a BEV in the first place ? Not you of course …but the vast majority ‘acquire’ a BEV from a BIK tax dodge standpoint and create a use-case from there. We all make mistakes. I suspect you won’t be moving out of your car into a Taycan….?
Congrats Harry. Looks amazing!
Absolutely love Harry! Very happy for you living out your wildest car fanatic dreams! Very inspiring!
definitely a step up over the Lotus
Umm it was £300K new!
Yes a 50k step up
Drove an Emira on track. It’ll blow the minds of 90% of most people. Fantastic little sports car.
Oh but it's not as fast as a car costing 4x as much 🙄
Can you really drive these cars as they are intended on public roads though? End up just getting frustrated as you never come near their limits which is when you start to connect with the car. They only work on track and even then the risk of having a very expensive accident is high so most owners don’t push it
I did the Lotus Driving Experience at their test track at Hethel, and I agree completely. It is a superb little sports car. It is also prettier than most of the competition.
Loved the Lotus Harry but your explanation made so much sense.
Amazing deal you got there!
Fantastic Harry, well done.
Got super excited when he mentioned that GT... That's the McLaren I'd choose.
I sold one once and the client traded in a Mulsanne in that he was currently doing a serious mile road trip in. EVERYTHING from the Mulsanne fitted inside. It was remarkable and hilarious at the same time!
Having seen the new Lotus saloon and the 4x4 truck i found myself feeling disappointed. They just looked like cadilacs and lacked a sport feel, which is what a Lotus should be. The Emira is lovely, but i can't get it out of out of my mind that Lotus are no longer Lotus. Why Geely bought a very specific sports car company to turn it into a run of the mill production car compantly is bejond me. I also have issues that it's a chinesse company to be frank. It is still a country run by dictators at end of the day..
Congratulations Harry, fantastic motor 👌 enjoy driving it 😊
nice find, love the details you found about the history of this :))
+1 if you're old enough to remember the 12C was initially named MP4-12C.
Old enough to have one in the garage 😊
And me 😊
sounds like a calculator model
@@STERNWAERTS excuse me, it's a fax machine and also I have one in the garage 😄
Well it would be hilarious if you see a Tesla named X-AE-A12 too.
Congrats Harry! look forward to seeing how this goes. Any McLaren warranty?
Wow what an explanation. I am sure you will be delighted.
Congratulations, Harry, love the color and all the cf extras!
It’s a shame though that the manual Emira was replaced with a paddle shifting McLaren; I remember harry raving about manual gearbox engagement on the emira videos.
Brilliant choice and will be a pleasure to watch the journey.
Yes Harry!!! Fantastic choice as always!!!! Love the colour…..Keep up the good work 🫡
An enthusiast’s review can be intoxicating to watch. Regardless of the subject matter, enthusiasm shines through every time. Enjoy the car Harry!
Lotus are playing a dangerous game. Over priced and under delivered; their self-inflicted woes are sure to continue.
It's such a shame, they are designing really really beautiful cars.
Lotus gonna Lotus, as the kids say.
A supercar with a real engine, a V8! Congratulations on your new purchase Harry...
‘Real’ supercars as you call them have V12s🤷♂️
@@Jabber-ig3iw McLaren’s beat V12’s.
@@Jabber-ig3iw Carrera GT and Lexus LFA say otherwise.
Great to see Harry light up like its christmas....nice present to give your self.🙏..
Really can feel how much you love your new purchase!!