Tales of the Space Jockeys / Lore Compilation
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- Over an hour of Space Jockey videos from the channel, put into one easy to watch compilation. Tales of the Space Jockeys from the comics, novels, and the alien franchise films.
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00:00 - What Newts Parents Found on the Derelict
07:51 - Space Jockey Pilot of Aliens Outbreak
17:45 - Space Jockey Giants of Aliens Apocalypse
24:22 - Space Jockeys of Aliens Original Sin
29:04 - The Space Jockey has Returned
35:07 - Xeno City, Home of the Space Jockey
45:54 - Xeno Titans and Ancient Citizens
52:27 - The Ultramorph
58:02 - The Mala'kak
1:04:40 - The Space Jockey - Original Ideas
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I loved the mystery as it was. The Space Jockey was a long-deceaced alien creature from somewhere else.
In film Ridley Scott completely ruined the mythology, when he made Prometheus.
He actually managed to make me like Alien a little less. Impressive, Mr. Scott.
Ridley didn't write it
The wonder of the Jockey is what blew minds, I don’t require answers or origin stories, let it be vague and my imagination will do the rest.
Well I just died and went to heaven.
Ok I was gonna go sleep.... but sleep can wait till after this 👌
Yeah, you and me both.
Well done mate! This was the best allure on Space Jockeys/Engineers
Oh nice! This is a rad topic
What a ride. Good one sir!
Oh snap, new joy!
I wonder if any of the xenos survived smacking down the Engineers and went into stasis, only to reanimate after Russ got some face hugger love. Maybe it was these xenos who followed the family back to HH and started picking off the colonists and fetching them back to their hive? I’m sure Russ’ embryo also caused mayhem and brought one back, but it always seemed like a lot of people were disappeared very suddenly. Guess I’m not real sure of the timeline.
How did Ann get Russ out of the egg hold and up all those levels? Did she find a platform lift?
So.....and it still bugs me....the jockey in the original Alien is huge...yet the ones in Prometheus are just very tall men and nowhere near the size of the one in the seat....
ScreenRant website has an article called “alien-space-jockeys-explained-engineer-origin-alien-connection” that indicates that after the Prometheus movie, it was retconned that the Engineers and the Space Jockeys are the same species.
Yeah, I agree, even in the scripts and drafts, they were meant to be taller. The only good thing about it is, now that there is that obvious size difference, it gives more credence to the idea that they are 2 different things. The franchise is heading in that direction from what I can see.
This is one criticism that I cant accept. The engineers were shown to be masters of genetic engineering to the extent they could jumpstart life on a dead planet. The ability to change the size of individuals to a large degree would be trivial to them. While the size difference is jarring on screen, it is easily explained in universe, and not just because they are aliens. At the same time, the space jockey and the engineers could very well be different species of aliens, with the engineers simply adapting jockey technology for their own use. My overall point is the size difference between the two on screen representations of the space jockey and the engineer, which a lot of people use as “proof” they are different species is nonsense and easily explainable in universe logically. By that logic, the race seen in Dark Descent are a third species as they are approximately 10 feet taller than the space jockeys, so now we are up to 3 intelligent alien species who are in some weird waterfall of copy-catting each other ad infinitum.
Prometheus only confused matters because the space jockey body in the Alien movie was supposed to be ancient, perhaps thousands of years old or more. The scene where the engineer in the Prometheus movie that sat on the control chair of the alien ship with the jockey space suit forming around him about to take off when the Prometheus collided into it and forced it to crash was taking place only a few years before the events in Alien. Had that engineer managed to go back to the crashed alien ship after being attacked by that octopus creature in the crashed Prometheus med lab and sat back on the chair and died from a chest burster then it has conflicted with the Alien movie. Perhaps the director found this out and decided to make the planetoid that the Prometheus landed on not the one where the crew of the Nostromo landed and discovered another alien ship with an ancient space jockey inside.
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Ignore Prometheus and Covenant. It never happened. Scott went senile.
Didn’t Prometheus crew land on LV223? I always assumed there were two Juggernauts - and both intended to leave LV223 at the same time.
One did, and that Space Jockey took off after waking up from being implanted, took off quickly and pointed his ship to the uninhabited LV426 before he was killed by the embryo; it crash landed there, to be found by Russ and Ann.
The other Engineers were killed before they could take off from LV223, and this is the one Prometheus found. One Engineer survived and placed himself in stasis - perhaps after becoming infected as well. (This Engineer was also infected by Shaw’s ‘child’ near the end of the movie.).
Therefore, both of these ships could have been in their respective locations, one on LV426 and LV223, a thousand or more years before both movies’ settings.
I may be mistaken, though; I might be subconsciously influenced by Project Acheron’s animated short story where he has the rebel Engineers sabotaging the Space Jockey’s missions to eradicate life on various human-inhabited planets throughout the galaxy.
ScreenRant website has an article called “alien-space-jockeys-explained-engineer-origin-alien-connection” that indicates that after the Prometheus movie, it was retconned that the Engineers and the Space Jockeys are the same species.
Its not the same ship. The one in alien crashed on lv-426, the one in prometheus crashed on lv-223.
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No one accepts that. It's been ignored and the fans don't like the Engineers. There is a MASSIVE divide in the fan base. With the overwhelming majority not liking Scott's unnecessary changes to the lore. With Dark Descent being canon, many are glad that nonsense is not fully embraced.
Alien was a little before my time and the first time I saw a space jockey was on the Orville...😂
I really dislike the whole "Space Jockey is just an engineer flightsuit" thing. When I saw Prometheus in the theater; that whole scene where they take the head and then jam some electrodes into it or whatever they do... that just crushed me.
14:55, the space jockey here got mad when an android attempted to shake his hand ? Reminds me of when the Engineer got mad upon learning that david was an android created by humans and ripped his head off in prometheus
Yeah, seems like it. I’m not sure how the Space Jockey knew that crewman WAS a synth, though. I just don’t know if he would have reacted the same way if ALL those crew members were human, or if he really did hate androids and somehow detected either the crewman WAS a synth, or WASN’T a human.
Equally, I’m not sure if the Prometheus movie’s Engineer hated just synths, or the entire Prometheus crew since they were all human (other than David, obviously) - after all, his original mission was to wipe us out.
Via Lore channels, I heard that speaking or listening or interacting with species other than his own was exhausting - and could even shorten his life span by either thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. But the AVP Fandom website states the Engineers lifespan is 150 years.
I also heard the Engineer may have been shocked at our level of technology, specifically FTL space travel and our ability to create artificial life. He became angry, gruesomely attacking David and going berserk on the remaining crew.
What do you think? Other than I may be over thinking? :)
Oh, and I originally thought, or was told by some channel, the Engineers and Space Jockeys were the same species…although the episode(s) could have been from a LONG time ago. But in Outbreak, the Elephant alien is obviously not an Engineer.
So what is he? Is this the Progenitor species? Did they create the Engineer race?
The AVP Fandom website states the Engineer/Pilot/Space Jockey terms are for one and the same species, making the Outbreak alien’s species identity even more curious.
It may be that Outbreak was written well before Prometheus, and therefore well before it was ret conned that the Engineers and Space Jockeys were one and the same. Perhaps it, along with countless other stories and novels, was written with the best theories and info available.
If so, then I wish the movies were written so as to follow along with this, for lack of a better description, ‘Expanded Universe’ canon. It would be a shame to invalidate so much non-theater film content.
ScreenRant website has an article called “alien-space-jockeys-explained-engineer-origin-alien-connection” that indicates that after the Prometheus movie, it was retconned that the Engineers and the Space Jockeys are the same species.
@@ronjon7942 I believe the engineer in prometheus didnt hate A.I and synths , i believe he killed him after realizing humans have become even more advanced to create things like David and it either scared him or made him realize we've grown to be even more of a threat or simply hate the idea that Weyland was pretending to be a god because of his creation. But then again, maybe the engineers do hate A.Is and synths, why would such an advanced race be doing all the dangerous labour themselves manually such as handling the black goo, space traveling, preparing and starting their ships ?
I believe it was the creator of the movie prometheus was trying to make the engineers and space jockeys the same species, i remember them referencing the original alien movie and how the space jockey intrigued a lot of the fans and everyone was asking questions about him but not who he was . But after seeing the ancient citizens in the latest alien game, dark descent, i do believe they're trying to keep them as 2 seperate species. If u asked me , i believe the Space jockeys created the engineers, why would the engineers have such a similar technology design in their ships , suits ? they seem to be heavily influenced by them unless the engineers at some point just inherited a ton of their technology.
Engineer in Prometheus attacked David because David basically implied that Weyland was looking for the secret to immortality and that humans now fancy themselves as Gods because they created sentient life (David specifically). The engineer was offended by the arrogance and reacted violently.
Thank gods. I love these cosmic horrors of a dead species. Engineers and jockeys are two seperate species. Jockeys are the masters, and the Engineers the slaves.
The Annunaki (Jockeys)
The Igiggi (Engineers)
finding out anything about the space jockey would be anything but "ALIEN"
I would of thought that when ever the derelict ship had landed or crash on to the planet, it had landed on top of a cavern. So as for the alien queen and hive was actually underneath the ship. Even in Alien, it was way too vast for the egg chamber to part of the ship. So be the outbreak might of happened on the derelict ship and then acid wise after a battle the acid hole opened up both spaces ship and cavern ... then the queen had a large chamber to nest in. 🖖
See, I thought about that too. But howzabout this hypothesis? In my musing. It would make far more sense if it wasn't crashed, but docked with a subterranean Jockey weapons cache/storage and the eggs broke out and the pilot was killed desperately trying to take off.
@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 yes, I like your hypothesis, that would be better world than most ... 🖖
Just wondering if the transmission that was originally detected by the company which rerouted the Nostromo finally stopped transmitting?
The Nostromo crew never mentioned locating the source once inside the derelict and it was never mentioned in Aliens.
Maybe Alien Romulus will address that?
How the hell Aliens gonna exist in Predator but Predators don't exist in Alien??? That makes no sense. That's like saying Thor exists in the Avengers films along with Iron Man but in Iron Man's films Thor doesn't exist. lol
I agree. That's utterly idiotic.
Aliens already been exist , there was world xeno planet and had experiments with black slime.
謎めいた魅力。永遠に謎のままにしておく方が良い。
If the space jockey was dead for thousands of years how are the eggs in the silo still fresh. 🤣
The jockeys should have never been blue man group
feelings human can't understand...
sure. why not.
Atilax LIKE!!
Atilax LIKE!!
For everyone *still* complaining about Prometheus and Covenant, please rewatch Alien Vs Predator and Alien Vs Predator: Requiem
I have a few times. I enjoy them for what they are . But I still like the first two alien films far better then the rest. I would of liked to see what Ridley Scott was originally going to do after Prometheus and see more about the engineers.
You realize that Ridley used parts of AVP for Prometheus and Alien Covenant, right?
Even how much you complain about other complaining the prequels is very poorly made movies. You are just liking the cgi. There is no story at all it is empty.
I loathe the idea that the ovamorphs could lure in hosts. In order to do so they would have to have been designed specifically with humans in mind. And if the ovamorphs had such a trait, the Engineers wouldn’t have been transporting them, the way they did.
These comic book writers always try to complicate their stories too much.
If you're reading this, I hate you for ruining this Ridley
Ridley did not write Alien nor Prometheus ffs! He directed those movies. Why is everyone an idiot?!
Funny how with Romulus no one is talking about the engineers like they aren’t important if anything the engineers and jockeys are just as important as the Xenos!
From the leaked spoilers, it appears that there will be a rather direct tie from Romulus to the Prequel films and the Engineers.
Around 14:55, within the Outbreak comic, what is the meaning of the President removing his tooth to place a few drops of something on his tongue, and immediately expunges a chest burster?
Why would the alien be so frightened of it? It’s not like it was going to impregnate him.
Why did the chest burster attack and bite the elephant alien?
Finally, what was the point of all of this, if Plan B was to nuke the Juggernaut anyway?
29:00 The engineers was just a lose idea someone pulled out of their behind along with that biblical shite. The Jockeys was what was meant to be.
32:39 Well, I never saw THAT coming!?! Disney actually preventing a dumb decision?!
Thanks for sharing this video.
It is not 'would of thought'. It is would have thought.
Yeah prometheous was f-up for the alien lore , ridley saw ancient aliens and decided it was a good idea to shove it all in the alien universe and lets not even talk about alien covenant jesus christ that shit was so bad all nonsence neomorph, backbursters ,the black liquid, david , the deacon thing the trilobite tentacle monster good its such a mess and lets not forget the freaking engineers !
Oh, did you see Alien Vs Predator? That movie rocks and same for the amazing sequel
I also don't consider the River of Pain canonical. It tries to retcon the Jockey ship into an engineer vessel. Completely invalidates the first movie. Terrible writing.
Wait, explain - I must be missing something fundamental. I thought all Juggernauts were Engineer vessels, and Jockey’s were Engineers.
Oh wait, might you mean the Alien Space Jockey/Engineer wasn’t wearing a suit because his outwardly splayed ribs indicated we were looking at an un-uniformed, very tall/large alien?
And in Prometheus (maybe, if I remember correctly) we’re looking at un-uniformed Engineers with a humanoid face, who become encapsulated into a piloting shell whose exterior looks like the Space Jockey’s body in Alien?
I may have watched an animated story or comic about River of Pain, but not the audiobook yet. How does it portray the pilot, or the Engineer, or the Space Jockey - whichever one it is?
Are you thinking the Space Jockey and the Engineer are two different beings or even species?
Might the larger Space Jockey be the progenitor species to the Engineers?
At any rate, River of Pain is a great title; I think it’s what Acheron translates to.
ScreenRant website has an article called “alien-space-jockeys-explained-engineer-origin-alien-connection” that indicates that after the Prometheus movie, it was retconned that the Engineers and the Space Jockeys are the same species.
@@ronjon7942 Yeah, see, I don't accept that. Engineers and Jockeys aren't the same. Period. Scott is senile. Anyone with the slightest bit of artistic talent will tell you that both Engineer and Space Jockeys are not the same being. No one with taste even allows for that retcon. The evidence is overwhelming in this video that NO fan of Alien is happy with Prometheus. If anything signs seem to point to that universe being scrapped. Thank christ.
@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 I'm one step ahead of you: I don't accept engineers or davids xeno party as canon at all.
@@charlespancamo9771- I am with you guys. Absolutely disgusted by the direction the franchise took.
The original story presented the True Space Jockey and Xenomorph lifeforms in a more Lovecraftian light.
- Space Jockey- Enormous. A giant. Bizarre appearance. Organic being, joined with inorganic machine. Unknowable immense technology of an impossibly ancient age.
- Xenomorph- Techno-organic lifeform. Bizarre, non-human appearance, yet unable to be classified in terms as "animal".
Existing as eggs on a vast scale.
Easily able to dispatch humans.
- Their histories and purposes are impossible to figure out.
Then, to have it all simplfied, based in the actions of more humanoid Engineers, a human-created android and a Xenomorph made by the evil android.
Human, human, human, human...
Why? They dumbed down the entire story.
35:15 I had to stop watching or listening because of those static effects. They hurt my eyes and ears. There are companies in the 1980s and 1990s that worked very hard to remove static noise with very expensive equipment. People would pay a premium to get the best visuals and sound. Because it degrades the viewing and listening pleasure to have static. 40 years later CZcamsrs found these distortions and thought they looked cool I guess.