Call of Duty Zombies - Popular Misconceptions!
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- Misconceptions in Call of Duty Zombies!
Intro 0:00
"BO4 is too Complicated" 0:33
"PaP Quests are too Complicated" 7:27
"Cold War Zombies is Popular Only Because of its Gameplay" 11:11
"Reusing Assets is Not a Problem" 15:37
"Round-Based is just Running in Circles" 18:49
"Zombies Every Year Causes Fatigue" 20:55
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Another thing i would like to add is Zetsubou, people saying it's too complicated, but then if you watch Defend The House, they figure out half the map without guides, and they're playing the map for the first time, their video showed me that Zetsubou no Shima has hints and details that show you what to do, either be it directly or indirectly.
Hell, they even managed to figure out how to build the KT-4 in their first game! Granted, they didn't end up building it, but they still managed to figure out how to get all of the parts
@@ispepsiokay411 yeah, they even looked at KT-4's building table drawings and saw the spider cage on there.
What video from them is it? Im actually curious now to see this, is it their 2 hour long session from a month ago?
@@alex____5602 yeah it should be chapter 13 that's around 2 hours.
@@alex____5602 ok, I don't know what happened to my comment, but it should be Chapter 13, and it's about 2 hours and 21 minutes.
Can I just say I love your zombies content. You don’t settle for the most common type of content that literally everyone else does in some way, you make interesting and thought provoking content that always makes me excited because I know it isn’t going to be exactly what everyone else is doing. Thank you for being unique!
Thank you!!
BO4 is truly amazing ☺️🍩
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i’ve always been of the mindset that bo4 can be a super casual experience. yea you might be OP with wraith fires and specialists, but who’s to say that isn’t fun. if i wanna just jump in and have fun, i’ll more than likely turn to bo4 cause of how causally you can get through the rounds. don’t gotta worry about many quests or steps for bare necessities. i will always turn to bo4 zombies for a quick and casual experience that gets you into the action as soon as possible.
if i want to go on to further quests, the option is always there so i don’t feel restricted or forced to do them, but im not punished for not pursuing them.
HUGE thing not being factored here is the *actual* casual perspective
-It may only be 4 buttons but they dont know where they are. Especially when we are talking about a map like Voyage of Despair that is really easy to get lost on since most rooms and hallways are Samey
-It may only be 12 part locations but they dont know every spawn location or where to even begin to look. OR even where to build and what to do with it
-With easter eggs and part locations, you *could* figure out how to find part locations or easter eggs on your own without a guide, but it wouldn't be in a timely manner and more importantly it could easily be different in the next game depending on Rng factors. Combing the walls of a map while you have a crawler for 20 mins is boring and takes you right out out of the game
-If you are experiencing a bug or a glitch, you wont know if you just messed it up or if the game bugged out. Happens alot on Bo3 and 4 especially for minor easter eggs. You can only perfectly execute it once you have it mastered and down to muscle memory, but not for the casual player. They also would have no idea how to rectify said glitch on their own.
-Retaining that knowledge is also a big deal because sure you figured out pack a punch on Dead of the Night once but now having to remember and execute it *every* time you play is the issue. You arent necessarily gonna remember every single step just because it was a pain in the ass, you are gonna remember it was a pain in the ass more than the specifics.
For one map? sure, if you only plan on planning one map for the rest of your life but there's idek how many maps at this point and most have a dozen and a half Easter Eggs with different mechanics and logic which is why it *is complicated* .
In a vacuum with comparing one map, but the reality is ALL the maps exists at the same time
-Not always aware of the perk and weapon meta, especially in BO4 where if you arent a certain level you straight up cant equip certain perks
-Easter Eggs whether upgrade, side or main don't actually seem obvious like it does to an experienced zombies player.
The casual players have a minor amount or no idea what to even expect from Treyarch for steps. Keep in mind for alot of easter eggs it only gets discovered so quick because the people hunting easter eggs have played since the OG days or are literally *in the files* searching the code for what to do. Also the absurd range of difficulty and complexity at times between maps can throw anyone off
-The fact that a lot of Wonder Weapons have upgrade *quests* at all is anti casual. Nobody is figuring out the Apothican Servant upgrade on Revelations or the Masamune on Zetsubou without a guide on their first game, maybe even ever. I had to look it up because i knew it existed only cause of watching zombie players play for fun, i would've never even knew to expect it otherwise.
There's a reason OG zombies is Casual Gold, you didnt have upgrade quests you just put it in the pack a punch and that was it, which made a huge comeback in cold war and onwards. For alot of Bo4 especially on Aether it *is* that simple, but in Chaos maps and during Bo3 every map that wasn't chronicles for the most part had this quest design philosophy
-Just cause the Helion Salvo is in the box doesn't mean you automatically get high rounds on Bo4 as a casual. Especially if you havent unlocked or are actively running the meta involving it. Its easy as hell when you are used to and know everything by heart but its different when you dont
-Just cause it may look interactable doesnt mean it is. Most objects and items on a map do absolutely nothing and essentially act as a prop detail and filler to make the map more filled in and believable. If another player or content creator didn't tell you to melee the ropes on IX to start your challenges I doubt anyone would think much of them.
Itd be like saying "Shoot the gas cans on the floor in Nacht Der Untoten to unlock Pack a Punch"
-Certain maps have thresholds on Rounds to when certain steps are easiest or damn near impossible at least to a casual. You may finally find all your parts and worked out the steps on your own but now its round 30 and you are faced with a lockdown step or potentially required to get melee zombie kills in order to progress
-You cant unlock levels or anything on Custom Mutations, so you arent "getting good" or actually progressing in skill with Custom Mutations, you are playing with massive training wheels. Mutations is mostly
I think we are completely underestimating casuals here LMAOO. There's a difference between being a casual player and just being plain clueless. If they have trouble finding 4 very obvious interactable things around the map, then wouldn't they have trouble with PaP on literally every map in Zombies history?? Regardless, custom mutations exists for those players. They can make PaP automatically unlocked for themselves. Sure, they might get lost here or there, but that doesn't change the fact that eventually they should be able to find what they need to.
The part locations tend to be in plain sight most of the time. You come across them pretty often just by walking around the map. Maybe searching around isn't for everyone, but the point is that they aren't impossible to find.
I never said anything about Easter Eggs being casual friendly in BO4. I'm very much aware casuals aren't gonna be doing those, but they also don't really do Easter Eggs in other games that much either.
Learning a map is part of the experience. Everytime you do it, you WILL get better and remember more.
Most Easter Eggs weren't solved by people looking in the files. That happened for a few of them, but not most of them.
You talk about casuals like they are always going to be really bad a Zombies but then also say that them not being able to upgrade some wonder weapons is anti-casual. But are these players even going to get to high enough of a round to where they'd need to upgrade the apothican servant. The un-upgraded apothican servant is still amazing even in the 100s. Sure it's just less content for a casual then, but the way you talk about them, it seems casuals won't even be playing much of the game anyways.
You talk about Chaos maps having wonder weapon upgrade quests, but it's not really like that on IX or Voyage (except for the little variant upgrades you can get for the Kraken but that isn't too hard to figure out).
A game being easier when you learn more about it is commonplace. You talk about that like it's a bad thing. I feel like this is how every game works.
Most interactable things in zombies has an interact prompt, so it should be pretty obvious. Sometimes for Easter Egg stuff, that isn't the case, sure. But most things do have interact prompts, especially if it involves most basic things.
Custom mutations is meant for people who want that OG Zombies experience really. I agree it should've led us level up and such, but the mode basically works like BO1 in that sense, where everything is simplistic and you can make it as easy or as hard as you want with everything unlocked. This is for players who don't care about easter eggs and leveling up.
@@Xpertfusion I didnt stutter when i said just cause its only 4 doesnt mean theyll find it easy. When a map looks samey its extremely easy to get turnt around or lose it especially since these arent exactly small maps.
Having a bunch of random parts scattered around a massive map filled with clutter already is a pain in the ass to find, it only seems like its in plain sight cause we been playing the game for forever.
You really need to step out of your experianced shoes to actually make a video like this.
By your logic no game should be considered complicated or hard and should be void of criticism because if you put 50+ hours into it to learn absolutely everything it becomes "Simple and easy bro".
By the time they did their homework and put in the time and effort they arent even casuals anymore.
They arent cod veterans or anything but they arent casuals, casuals arent putting in that time to learn and memorize every Minor thing in the game, they are there to play for a couple games and do the bare minimum to kill zombies and gain XP.
If i put mental energy into learning a Dark Souls game top to bottom i could probably master it and everything would seem easy too after awhile, but thats simply just not how that works and i also wouldnt be casual by that point
Old cod zombies is the standard for casual, and Bo4 locks alot of that in different places on different maps.
For every example you can give of a map giving something casually theres an important piece that isnt or is apart of something not obvious
Most people especially casuals arent playing for hours and hours in a row day after day. They may play a couple times a week and may even go on big breaks to either focus on life or to play any other game.
You cant look at something like casual vs hardcore as so black and white, casuals arent people who just suck at zombies but still play every day or relatively often
Bringing up Mutations undercuts your entire comment. "Just turn off everything you have to do in the map to begin with lol" then youd never learn it to begin with? You are playing with massive training wheels and moreover you arent even progressing in game.
Might as well advocate for PC players to use mod menus.
Anyone with Steam who can look up workshop can do it
Really feels like you two have a different definition of casual...
Perspective ig
@@xvoidxhunter2129 I am thinking from another perspective. The best way to do that is think about how I play certain games that I am more casual in. I don't necessarily judge the game based on how fast I can figure things out, rather its based on if it makes sense and is possible to figure out to begin with.
Obviously EEs are different, my video portion talking about BO4 was specifically about the basics, not about Easter Eggs.
I never said these maps can't be criticized, I just simply disagree with your criticism.
Also, you mention the whole "it takes 50+ hours to learn the maps" thing which I hope is an exaggeration lol. The basics on any map shouldn't take that long to learn. At most, it should probably be 3-4 hours max (yes, even for casual players)
3-4 hours of playing a zombies map is not so much to the point where they aren't a casual anymore.
You bring up the whole "ohhh, finding 4 buttons may be too hard thing", but like, is that not what prior PaP quests were too?? Shangri-La, it was literally finding different panels around the map. How is a casual going to know that the panel opens PaP?? Well, they figure it out eventually. Just like on any recent map.
I never said casual/hardcore is a black and white thing. Just for the sake of conversation, it makes more sense to generalize, doesn't mean I actually think they should be generalized in totality.
"Might as well advocate for PC players to use Mod menus"... that's literally all PC players do with Zombies now a days LMAOO. Custom mutations basically was mod menus, I think it had a decent purpose.
@@lawrencehortizuela4978 Most likely.
I see it as this... (obviously it's on a spectrum, not a black and white thing)
Casuals are likely not going to be talking about Zombies online, they might come across stuff about it online, but they aren't actively engaging in convos about it. They also probably aren't playing that much. Many of them will literally play for 2 hours at launch, and never touch the game again. Others might play more often, but they don't really care too much about it.
Hardcore players will likely be talking about the game online (although they don't have to), they will play often (probably at least a few hours a week), and they do care about every element of the game and will seek out easter eggs.
Another thing I wanna add, idk how common this is, but PhD slider is not meant to protect you from enemies
I constantly see people complaining that PhD in custom maps and such isnt protecting them from things like Napalm or non player hazards
PhD Flopper is designed to protect you from SELF-DAMAGE, not other enemy source damage. If PhD were to protect you from all explosive damage or certain damage from enemy types, there is literally no point of them being in the map.
well phd in custom maps is intented to survive explosives. In customs maps, you survive, without a patch ofc, fire, nades, napalms, panzer's tripmines and more things. Thats not the way it is inteneded tho xD
Great video! Your comment on bo4 “there is even a tutorial….” Was hilarious 😂 but so true!
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When you brought up reused assets, it reminded me of when I was replaying Bo3 campaign recently and I saw some plants that are in ZNS
Yeah, stuff like that is fine and normal. But reusing a whole location for the zombies map as a main piece of content? That's where I draw the line.
@@Xpertfusion agreed
I fully disagree with bo4 being casual friendly
You brought up some valid points regarding the gameplay but completely ignored the other aspects like the presentation/ UI . The menus alone are enough to intimidate casuals. You are literally greeted with a menu to choose perks and special weapons not to mention you have two classes for the chaos and Aether. That alone is enough to overwhelm any casual player who is here just to play zombies.
I can agree the UI can be overwhelming. But I was more-focused on the actual gameplay of the maps. I think mentioned the UI does make it hard for a casual to be able to even know custom mutations exists for example.
My guy, I'm pretty sure most casual players are smart enough to figure out a fucking menu.
It also doesn’t make sense since bo4 has difficulty modes so you can make your game harder.
@@sethyredninja1422 you can also make it easier
@@sethyredninja1422 And you can also make it easier, what's your point?
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Me and my friend tried doing the dead of the night ee and one of the steps just bugged out the one where you have to shoot the floor in the pack room
Bo4 is easier than Bo3 to be honest in my opinion. Maybe not the easter eggs. But, high rounds are a lot easier than Bo3,IW and Ww2. I think Bo4 is the 2nd or 3rd best zombies we've had. Especially chaos the side
Also, I don't give a 💩 about casuals just look up a guide It's not rocket science. People say Dead of the night and shaolin packs are complicated no they're not. If you can't do that I don't you should be playing zombies anymore or should even think about doing ees. I'm sick of this bs excuses
@@fuzzy6692 people always complain about having to look up guides, but literally this stuff has been in zombies since BO1, you don't know what to do just look up a guide, people complain for the weirdest reasons.
Unpopular opinion - Zombies is Zombies and everyone dislikes so much because it’s not what they wanted in a zombie map
17:47 damn I felt that 😅
cold war did not age ass well as bo4
Warzone is the worst thing to happen to call of duty and I will happily die on that hill
I do enjoy Warzone, but I can agree it caused a lot of problems with the franchise.
14:17 nah. Not 70, the max is 55 and it's still an absolute snooze fest when you have to level up your gun 50 times just to get a gold camo in under 10 minutes.
I was thinking about Vanguard. That game has guns that go up to level 70. I think any game would be a snooze fest if the only think you were focusing on was leveling up guns and getting camos lol.
@@Xpertfusion, oh right, Vanguard was a thing. I mean, yeah, that's why Dark Matter exists. What else to do when you've completed Cold War Zombies to 100%: challenges, quests, dark ops - you name it.
Can’t figure out how to get pap on town
18:49 This narrative has been going on since BO3 really. I'd get into matches where it's either do the Easter Egg, or don't play Zombies at all. People stopped caring about high rounds and enjoying how different maps change up the experience. Now it's just "We learn the map enough to beat the Easter Egg, get the Achievement, and go back to Multiplayer".
20:58 There isn't Zombies fatigue, however I personally wish Sledgehammer/Infinity ward continued making Spec Ops Survival. I know there were modes after MW3, but they ruined them so hard.
I feel like they could do spec ops survival AND zombies. Survival isn't really that big of a mode that requires much dev time. It's just bots on MP maps basically.
Glad to see people seeing through the BO4/CW slander
100%agree
Bo4 zombies over bo3 for me anyday honestly im new to zombies and i got into zombies on bo4. And bo4 zombies i guess is extremely more “quality of life” version of zombies compared to the rest of them. The hitbox is easier to avoid from zombie hits than bo3 in my opinion. Bo3 zombie swings are crazy hard for me. One zombie can hit you twice or 3 times before one reload. Im talking bout it feels like one second or 2 seconds before u go down from one zombie. Bo3 and past black ops zombies always had random perk spawns that confused me. I didnt like how i have to find the perks that i want and if the spawn of the perks r trash it jus gets me heated. Compared to bo4 where the perks i want r spawned in and yea i jus gotta find the perk spawn locations but at least ik its the perks i want. Bo3 zombies has a lot of maps to choose from tho
18:55 “round-based is just running in circles” Yeah.
Outbreak and MWZ is just running around the map for 10 minutes doing arbitrary stuff just to go to the next map and do it all again
Most people hate Bo4 zombies just because of the gameplay and because some of the maps are a little hard to figure out.
People who think Outbreak and MWZ is better than Round based are honestly delusional lol. Outbreak has a bit more variety with its maps but the premise remains the same every game. MWZ is one map doing the same shit every game
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about which they prefer, but yes, MWZ/Outbreak is no more of less repetitive than Round-Based at its core.
Ngl I’ve played round based zombies for majority of my life and I’m 18 but it does get repetitive though like once you’ve done all the Easter eggs and side quests what else is there to do, your just running around round after round killing zombies for 6 hours straight it gets so boring after a while atleast with the open world stuff there so lots to explore and collect and find because in round based your so limited to the things you can do where as open world there is tones to do apart from doing the same contracts over and over again but there is still lots to do yeah sure the Easter eggs are way better in round based but it’s the repetitiveness that bores the shit out of me it’s tough subject because on one hand round based is amazing but on the other hand it’s boring and repetitive
If you play 6 hours worth of round based daily it'll get boring, hell, if you play 6 hours worth of any game daily it'll get boring, I tend to play 1-3 matches of zombies a week, if that
I play round based maps 6-8 hours daily, and I don't get bored, i feel the repetitiveness, but I don't really care.
It depends. Anything will get repetitive if you play it THAT much.
@@beefynfn really oh shit when I’m not at college or work I usually play for 6-7 hours but that’s not all the time but when I do play for that long I play other games too
@@Xpertfusion I’m not saying I play for 6 hours but when I see people playing round based they are on round 100 which takes around six hours and I wonder how do you find that fun
I don't think people are arguing that pap on bo4 was complicated, it's likely because of all the easter egg steps and impossible side ee steps...
You'd be surprised. I've seen so many people say BO4 PaP was too complicated.
It's HELLion Salvo. Why do so many youtubers say heely on????
Popular misconception - "Zombies" is a good game mode.
What
reuse assets is sometimes fine but reusing ideas is lazy
I don’t get how people can be lazy at video games 😂
Because games are for entertainment, it isnt meant to be your 9-5 grind brother
@@xvoidxhunter2129 If it isn’t supposed to be a grind, why not make the most out of what you’re playing.
@@arnathan1792 They are making the most out of it... by actually playing something they enjoy rather than needing to do homework or playing like its their 9-5
@@xvoidxhunter2129 it doesn’t take a genius to learn a wonder weapon/PAP guide in just a few minutes. After 1-3 times of doing it, anyone should be able to replicate it without a guide. Like he said in the video, anyone that can’t is either not trying at all or has an extremely faulty memory. You can still have a zombies game that only lasts 1-2 hours and still have time to learn more about what you’re playing. It’s not even close to a 9-5 job, anyone who thinks that hasn’t worked a day in their lives. Games with no learning curve get boring really fast, that’s why Cold War has no replay value because the game is extremely handholdy and easy.
@@arnathan1792 ...Which is also why its extremely casual friendly and why its so beloved: because thats exactly what made people love old zombies
Casuals love Cold War, Cold War is extremely straight forward and tells you everything you need to know with no BS.
Its easy to learn a single map with time but now apply that logic to an entire game or even multiple and youd be forgiven for forgetting these things. We are human beings not fucking robots and thats why MrRoflwaffles is so popular as a zombies creator.
Especially when it comes to code cracking in Origins, without saved screenshots or a guide you will not remember what every symbol means on each staff unless you no life zombies especially not as a casual
How is someone supposed to figure out PAP on DotN without a guide wtf?
The only thing that might be tricky is finding the locations of the paintings. But even then, just searching around the house for a little should lead you to finding it. The vases are very obviously placed with colored mist coming out of it and killing a zombie near it reveals it is a soul chest. The other two crystals show either a perk or a clock. Both of which are easy to find.
@@Xpertfusion nah man noe you actually taking the piss brother you're talking about casual. How on earth is a casual or even a player who is in-between supposed to open pap without a guide. You just talking about your perspective but you yourself admit that even most casuals never did the easiest easter egg which was cold war and you expect thede players to go open pap without a guide? That's crazy
@@sockendieb88hh36 Is a casual not able to search around the map for a little?
My argument isn’t that most casuals DO these things, my argument is that casuals CAN do these things.
A lot of players are simply not into zombies that much, so they simply play it for an hour or two and never touch it again. Yes those players might never get PaP, but why should the game cater to someone who doesn’t care to even play much of the game???
Anyone who plays a map for a least a few hours total should be able to figure out PaP on most maps (with few exceptions like I mentioned in the video)
@@Xpertfusionbig fan. I think you’re understating how hard DoTN pap is. I’ve been playing since WaW quite heavily, and I love all of the games (even Vanguard), but DoTN pap trips me up every time. By far the hardest pap in any game imo
@Xpertfusion you should try to think outside of the box bro I think you always see things from your experience. I think it is quite a good thing that zombies is far more casual friendly than it was ever before because now a lot of my friends are playing it not just that maybe some casuals hop on for a few hours and like it a lot more and comeback more often this helps the community grow. Idk why you hardcore player think this mode should always cater towards you and you people only. I know you hate CWZ but that game had the best gameplay out of all of zombies and if you give Cold War the BO4 maps it would be the best zombies ever made.
Bo4 casual friendly? Absolutely not. While yes there are mechanics like the specialists and some op perks. The zombies are super aggressive and spawn in front of you blocking your path. And they hit very fast. Maybe its a skill issue but ive had my game ended in fraction of a second from how aggressive they are. I think you meant to say that cold war is casual friendly. That game is brain dead easy
Every CoD zombies had a problem with Zombies hitting very fast.
But BO4 has Custom Mutations, literally make the game easy for you, boom casual friendly.
@it2spooky4me79 sure, but bo4 is the only zombies game with this spawn mechanic. In previous game you could move around the map freely and have time before the zombies spawned. In bo4 you are basically punished for traversing the map mid round unless you have your specialist or an op wonder weapon
@it2spooky4me79 there's a reason most high round strats in bo4 involve camping.
Cold War is certainly a lot easier, but BO4 is too in my opinion. BO4 is only difficult when doing easter eggs in my opinion. BO4's specialist and OP perks are enough to make the game quite easy. Then you have the helion salvo, health cap (which Cold War has too), and also the most important thing, there's difficulty settings you can adjust to make the game easier for yourself anyways.
@@xCringeWorthyx BO3 has this mechanic too, in BO4 it's the same, it's just BO4 maps are more compact.
My answer to everyone, just get better