Panasonic Lumix s5ii vs Blackmagic Pocket 6K
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
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Time Stamps:
00:00 - Start
00:16 - Before We Get Started
00:40 - Why Do This Test?
01:27 - BRAW Update For Lumix S5ii
02:01 - What Gear We Are Using
03:14 - What We Will Be Shooting
03:34 - Test 1 - Sharpness
05:56 - Test Two - Colors
07:26 - Test Three - Low Light
09:38 - Test Four - Dynamic Range
10:46 - Test Five - Indoor Lighting
12:09 - Test Six - Outdoor / Sun Light
13:06 - Test Seven - STABILLZATION
14:01 - Why Would You Pick The Blackmagic Pocket 6K?
14:31 - Why Would You Pick The Lumix S5ii?
15:22 - Why Is The Lumix Bad?
15:57 - Why Is The Blackmagic Bad?
16:50 - Conclusion
18:30 - Why Did I Buy The Lumix? - Jak na to + styl
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Thanks so much for making this video! As a lover of both cameras, it was incredibly intriguing to watch. Can't wait for your BRAW comparison. For budget filmmakers, these are some exciting times!
Thanks for taking the time to comment. It's sure is a great time to start creating videos!
If BM had autofocus it would be a no brainer. But the Lumix just covers sooooo many features i need.
The question is, will we ever see a blackmgaic with usable AF?
Best comparison that u saw, Thanks ! I bought the Lumix S5IIX, I was surprised how good it is. Specially the stabilization & low light is + good AF. I also have a Lumix S1. I like the L-Mount Alliance. I heard that Blackmagic will make a L-Mount Fulframe Camera. If it's affordable that would be my next Camera.
I've got the Ursa G2, Pocket 6k pro and Lumix S5 II. The lumix is definitely a bit more "digital looking" but the image is still fantastic. The camera is so versatile, the IBIS always blows me away, its the perfect camera for shooting events and travel. The colours are quite neutral and the codec quite versatile so pretty easy to match with other cameras with some grading. Ive matched it to blackmagics and Sony fx6 fairly well.
Great video! Still have the S5 mark 1 and was contremplating switching to BlackMagic but now I think the best thing to do is wait and see the offers pop up for the Lumix IIX
To make things even more difficult there is probs a Lumix S1H mark 2 within the next 12 months dropping to compete with the like on a Sony A7s3.
@@OBP_ that's what I'm also waiting for 🫠
Thanks for a comprehensive comparison. I do find prefer the blackmagic image in almost every case, but ultimately there are a lot of people that would really benefit from a much more versatile camera. I currently have a Canon C70 and a Lumix S1. The images are surprisingly close. The C70 is a step up in price but it is about as close as it gets to the S5ii and BMPCC6K having a baby! Ha
Funny you say that because the C70 was the camera I wanted to get as I was thinking could share lenses with my BM cameras being EF mount. But ultimately end up moving on because of the price, if think the C70 with a 30% price cut will be one of the best cameras out.
Thanks for your advice. I have a Panasonic GH6 and was thinking about getting the Blackmagic Pocket, but after watching your review, I can see it definitely doesn't fit my needs, for CZcams, traveling, and shooting by myself. Plus, the battery life seems like a real problem, along with the large size of the camera. You saved me some money! By the way, I liked your dog in the background.
Thanks for taking the time to comment, Happy to help. Sometimes, I think my dog is just trying to get some camera time 😂
I honestly prefer the GH6 over the S5 Mk-2 except for AF.
I have the gh6 and pocket 6k pro. They’re both fantastic in different ways. BRAW is so nice because if for some reason I don’t nail exposure, I’ve got a ton of options. With the gh6, if I don’t nail exposure or white balance, then I’m in trouble.
why?@@kayodeolaosebikan7462
Great vid!
Things I love with the BMPCC 6K
- The big fold out screen (no need for extra monitor+battery+cables) soo nice.
- The EVF, fantastic for sunny outdoor shoots + extra stabilization with 3rd point of contact.
- 2 xlr mini connections for a industry standard shotgun mic and wireless lav.
-The big and simple menue system.
Things I love with the S5ii
-IBIS, but rarely boost IS, it can get really weird.
-AF I don't really love but appreciate. Better than nothing, but I can't really depend on it, yet. Even for stills, the camera can't handle hard back light, I have lost many portraits with bright sky and fill-flash..:-/
-The colours and the compact form factor.
-Full frame, especially for stills, and certain filming situations where you need that exert boké.
-Also I like the smaller file size.
Thanks for commenting. Some great pionts and I agree with them all 🙌
Without an extra monitor with BM, how can I adjust the aperture while self-vlogging? Whereas Lumix has a tilting display to control everything.
Both are my favorite cameras. Used to shoot with Sony but I prefer Panasonic colors and just love BM colors.
Yerp! I think non have bad colors and are both excellent in there own ways.
Does the dynamic range on the LUMIX look a bit more HLG-like to you as well? Maybe it’s designed to preserve colour in overexposed areas?
I think the BM is great because it’s a film optimised camera. The menu system is easy and convenient for film making. And shooting both BRAW or ProRes with your own LUT in camera is a workflow optimiser for my studio work. There are so many photo related menu options in DSLR cameras, making it a jungle sometimes. And that yellow cast on the LUMIX is bringing back memories of shooting GH5, that I did for years. Had to work pretty hard to steering away from that cast, which was also making it challenging to catch subtle nuances in skin tones. Where as on the BM it was easy to differentiate skin tones from different nuances of wood for instance.
Wel desaturated highlights is somthong we see in alot of film stock. So it makes sense that blackmagic lean into that. My brian out the blackmagic on a shelf of cinematic / film look and puts the lumix on a shelf of a more modern look. Right tool for the right job!
The Black Magic is my workhorse but I just picked up an S5iiX today and am really conflicted. I'm tempted to return it after seeing how massive the bitrates are compared to the BM. That, and the S5iiX almost bricked my T7 SSD. I think I'll give it a second chance, but I appreciate the video. Very relevant.
Great video test.I had original pocket (great image quality) but now For me, only lumix, because of autofocus,stabilization,big battery and smaller size plus image quality ofcourse.The colors are very close even black magic gives somehow this filmic look a little better, but lumix is also a small cinema tool and i dont think you can limit s5ii or iix only at weddings. and filming yourself (which I find it excessive because you can do this with a cheap camera of 500 euros as well) but with this camera you can do almost everything
The sky is the limit with what you can make on a S5ii, the quality is amazing.
BRAW fixes the weird green tint in shadows thankfully. Definitely worth the money.
I can not wait to test it out! Love the idea of using BRAW in 3rd party cameras.
Thanks a lot for this test. I own the S5iiX and i hesitate to buy the BM... Definitely, i keep my Lumix. ;)
Very happy to have found your channel. One of the most interesting and well structured camera comparison videos I've watched. Subbed. For travel, real estate, events, and content creation, which would you choose between s5ii and zv-e1? I currently have the bmpcc 4k but it doesn't suite my style of filmmaking and is draining my sole. Although I will be sad to lose the image quality from BM when I sell it
Hey man. Thanks for the comment 🙌 although I have never used the ZV-E1, the overheating for video work scares the hell out of me 😅 unless you really need the 120fps 4k. I would defo go for the S5ii with the built-in fan and video features lumix give you. You'll be blown away with how much it can compare to the blackmagic pocket qaluity.
@@OBP_ decision made. Thank you. Now time to get saving and hope black Friday shows some love to me haha. I look forward to seeing more content of yours. Peace
Did you use IR cut filter on bmpcc?
I love my pocket, bit was also looking at lumix for some type of run n gun jobs w low budgets, travelling and youtube.
I did not, just the built-in ND filters. Maybe that's something I could add in part 2. It's a great camera for the work you mentioned, fills in perfectly for the situation the blackmagic mite not be right for.
Thanks for your efforts, that's a great throughout test! But, I'd say without really using the same type of lens and/or assuming two lenses would be the same (as they are from the same manufacturer), it is impossible to come to a valid conclusion between two cameras. IMO at least you should've tested both lenses on one camera first to reduce the amount of variables involved. Anyhow, keep it up, it's great fun watching your videos! :)
Thanks for the comment. I agree. It would be great to see some tests on the same lens. I will try and get 2 matching lenses or an adptor for part 2 of the test!
@@OBP_ Looking forward! :)
Kind of wild that ISO 25,600 still looks usable if in a pinch on the Lumix.
I prefer the Blackmagic's imagery. However, I will pick the Lumix because its imagery is highly acceptable with one of the most important feature for me: a good AF system. If Blackmagic ever gives us a usable AF pocket camera, that would be a dream comes true to me.
good morning. does the sony v90 memory card work well in the panasonic?
Yes! Check the link in the description for one that works perfectly 👌
Excellent review, and as a previous BMPCC6K user, actual S5 user and future S5II X owner… I do agree on every point!
What i do miss from the BMD :
1- One-click "Press-Hold-Release" custom WB (every camera should do that)
2 - Hard to change Shutter Angle by mistake (unlike the Lumix.. arghhh just add a freaking Shutter Angle ONLY Lock option already!!!)
3 - The 5” 1080p screen (mainly the size aspect.. still highly prefer a fully articulated screen)
4 - Internal BRAW
5 - The MENU 😚👌🏻
What I highly prefer on the S5II X :
Everything else…
@@JerimiahCook Lumix WB doesn’t work the same.. You have to press the WB button, navigate to the preset slot you want to use and press UP just to bring the target, press enter to take the snapshot, and if I remember correctly, you also need to push the WB button again to go out of the WB menu (or press the back button). With the BMD, you simply Press n Hold to bring the target, then when you release it, it takes the snapshot, applies it and goes back to the liveview, ready to record. Literaly one-click. This is how it should work with the Lumix. The WB button press n hold function (if there is one) isn’t actually assigned to anything at the moment, so it would be an easy firmware update addon.
@@JerimiahCook Maybe using the shutter button, you don’t have to press button to go back.. but this is still 4 steps (including scrolling, looking for a preset slot.. you have to choose one from the 4 preset slots). With the BMD, it’s 1 click and 1 click only. Especially when the color temp is constantly changing (moving clouds, or at the end of the day)… it’s getting annoying.
@@JerimiahCook Still not the end of the world, but I wish Lumix would fix this, along with adding a Shutter Angle ONLY Lock option.. this is even more irritating and can ruin a shoot
Why do you miss the side hinged rear LCD? genuine question.
Both great - I use a RED V-Raptor myself. The one thing I think BlackMagic Design did slip up on is calling the 6k/6k pro the BlackMagic _Pocket_ Cinema Camera 6k pro, because there just ain't nothing pocketable about that monster 😂. That said, great camera, as is the S5 ii - The S5 iiX looks interesting as well 🤔
My biggest question about the S5II and S5IIx-and the one no one ever bothers to talk about-is *audio*. How’s the internal preamp? How much self noise? And, what are my options in terms of external timecode? I don’t see a manual up for the X yet, but looking through the materials online for the S5II I only see internal timecode and timecode out via HDMI, which does me no good if I’m trying to work with say a Tentacle Track-e rather than trying to film with a Rode Wireless Go or similar device. Is there a work around to jam timecode or to connect an external device and have the timecode embed in the video file? Hopefully I’ve overlooked something in the specs sheets, but would like to clear this up before I drop any money on one of these cameras. Missing timecode support is not a minor issue to me. Thanks in advance for your help.
This is also great point. going to look into this for my Part 2 video and see if I find anything.
Considering the practically the same colors that you can adjust a bit in Davinci Resolve, I think the Panasonic does a very good job!
After seeing this test I'm going to order this Panasonic S5iix ;-)
If you then consider all the other advantages, longer battery life, full frame, excellent stabilization and all this in a small camera, then I think you definitely make a good choice with the S5ii.
It’s the S5ll not the gh5. I only say this so you don’t order the wrong camera.
@@spiritunbound you are absolutely right i corrected it right away it had to be the DC-S5II thanks for responding
The lumix with the BRAW could be one heck of a camera if it is implemented correctly!
I just sold my 6k pro and bought lumix I have been a BM for long since I left dslr but what the lumix 11x gives you is more than BM 6kpro in terms of practicality
how are you liking it over the 6k pro?@@LabourerEleven
Between 12:22 and 13:26, it appears that the darker image had better color separation making the darker S5ii look better at 12:22 but at 13:18 the darker Black Magic looked better.
It seem more about not blowing out the colors because the image is too bright.
I’ve been shooting BM video for a while now and have no complaints when there’s time and/or crew to manage manual focus. The Resolve Color Managed workflow usually saves loads of time. However I’m needing to push myself into some content creation (prefer to stay behind the camera but that doesn’t stand up these days) and need to make some camera decisions. I shoot Nikon Z9 for stills. Great glass, powerful sensor and headline video features, but it’s a hunk of junk in terms of having *real* video features. The Nikon fans ooh and aah over the 8k RAW but none of them know the convenience of something as simple as shutter angles, and it could be years before Nikon figures out what open gate means! So I appreciate your perspective on the S5II (though I think I will get the x). I’m not thrilled with the slo-mo cropping, but something had to give in order to keep the camera in the $2k neighborhood. Yet I haven’t seen anything from you yet about the lenses. What are your thoughts? The general consensus out there isn’t bad but I’m curious about your perspective as someone who understands cinematography. Thanks!
Totally agree with the video feature stuff and think Lumix are underrated for how much they try and meet the needs of video shooters, although missing false color is strange one, when you like the likes of shutter angle and waveforms. Regarding the lenses I would say they fit right in line all the newer made for mirrorless stuff (like what canon & Sony have been doing). I have been shooting on mainly the Panasonic LUMIX S PRO 16-35mm & Sigma Art 24-70mm. my fav is defo the 16-35 as when you move to slow motion with the crop its a much more useable range, but both lenses are sharp and great.
Need that s5 II BRAW video!
It's coming...
I've been saying for years that Lumix has some of the most underrated colours out there. We all know BM has excellent colours but everyone forgets Lumix. Probably because V-log L on the GH series wasn't that pleasing. The S5iiX apparently now has the highlight recovery feature in BRAW which gives you almost another stop in DR
I'm really interested to see the results of Braw vs internal codec when I get the update to see if anything changes!
do you need an external recorder to shoot braw on the x?
The colors are a big reason I bought an s5ii. I love the camera profiles
Hi I have a S5 ORG and BMPCC 6K org…and imho S5 Ninja ProRes RAW footage transcoded to CDNG has a better image in DaVinci Resolve
Or better to say I can get better image from it. I am not sure why with the video assist it is not as good, maybe the debater in braw has more influence then we all think…nice topic and very good video
That's interesting, im going to do some research and see if anything like this happens on the new S5ii and will add to the part 2 video.
With the cinema 6K release it really changes things up. Still not for me as I am run and gun and like my ibis and AF of the S5II but now that the cinema camera uses L mount I can use all my EF and L lenses if I ever do decide to add one to my arsenal.
- For people who want the Super35 BM 6k wait a bit people upgrading to cinema will be unloading them and the used price should drop.
Agreed, having an S5ii and a BBC 6k with its L mount could be an amazing set-up one being small lightweight with IBIS and AF, the other bringing that filming look with internal RAW, sharing the same lenses.
You missed something very important. Towards the end of your review, your dog was going to town in the background. That was funny. : )
😂😂 I did norticed it in the edit, but by that time, it was too late. I'm so happy someone spotted it 😬
Great dog man )) and his balls
Outdoor blackmagic suffers a lot from the nd filter. Not sure if its because of wb or ir pullotion. The dark colors are all off
ir pollution, you need an ir cut filter unfortunately
test 5 wow...im going lumix
The Pana looks more filmic to me...but the skin tones are more natural on Blackmagic
The S5 footage was all internal codecs or not? Wich resolution?
Yes, all internal and all 6K open gate!
8:57 the panasonic is using noise reduction though right and the black magic isnt using any cause raw?
Yeah, defo a lot going on inside the Lumix. I have a video dropping later this week using BRAW externally out of the S5ii vs. the Blackmagics BRAW.
@@OBP_ cool looking forward to it
Want Panasonic for quick stuff no budget.....but the BM looks so much more 3 dimensional...not flat and digital..I have always liked panasonic colours and these are early days so when we get some BRAW out then we should be able to maybe tweak it uo to really bring it into the game...I use 2- 6k pros right now and there time code sinking and control by the BM switchers is incredible...I want to have this as a third camera ..for run and gun so I will be watching closely....I do disagree about needing a lot of gear to get BM going ..few extra batteries two lenses a Mike and compact flat cards and few more small accessories make a small rig for a lot of docs
Get what you mean about the 3 dimensional stuff, don't know if its a texture or contrast thing but out of the camera the BM just looks more natural in areas like faces.
I am lumix user and the bmpcc6k is way better then the S5II
But the 60fps crop and the bad bad rolling shutter, people don’t Talk about.
In this case, I guess the blackmagic is always in crop mode as it's not a full frame camera, so it always has the same field of view and less DOF as the lumix slow motion.
Hope blackmagic will make a camera in the shape of komodo..
Lumix may have more greens but it looks more yellow. I prefer the cooler , more nathural colors older lumix cameras had The blackmagic looks cooler which i like but the colors look desaturated in a bad way in my eyes.
The lumix for sure comes out of camera with more saturation! But this could change with how you convert the log profile, I guess. I used color space transform in reslove. Maybe the manufacturer LUTs could have diffrent results.
I'd like to be the troll who suggest a comparison between the Arri Alexa LF and the Lumix s5ii.
Never say never!
the color of Panasonic is look so green.
I did defo see a push towards green on the vector scope.
Not so much but i can see it. Very easy corrected tough.
throw a vintage lens on a panasonic and now u have blackmagic mode
What a dark video
When people say they are made for different reasons they are just delusional. Both cameras are being use for film and one has additional functionality of shooting high res photos.
Fair point, would you say that Lumix and Blackmagic make cameras to shoot different styles of videos though?
@@OBP_ I tend to use my S1 for music videos and my Pocket 4k for film stuff but I also turn on internal sharpness on my Pocket 4k because the codecs on the Panasonic cameras have internal sharpening that you really can’t turn off.
We are comparing jpeg video they great processed on camera. Things like noise reduction, sharpening and saturation all process the image with Panasonic vs recording.
One is made to be processed in post and the other gets you most of the way there like Canon cameras.
Audio can be recorded the same way but that doesn’t make recording everything flat then mixing in post production totally different from printing the effects as you record them.
The end result will have the end user experiencing the final product. There’s absolutely no difference and I could use either camera for a music video or film.
They both record images not one clean the kitchen sink and the other dry cloths😆