LUMIX S5 VS BMPCC6K DYNAMIC RANGE COMPARISON
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2020
- In the neverending search for the perfect camera, I tested the Lumix S5 and the Black Magic Pocket 6K camera against each other. My go-to cam is the BMPCC6K and always shot in 6K RAW. Boy was I in for a suprise. Check out the comparison and let me know what you think below!
Bonus: Moire test at the end.
*Panasonic sent me a Lumix S5 to test out and give feedback. I made this project on my own dime and was not paid for any of this. My endorsement of this camera is purely my own opinion.
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This guy only has 319 Subcribers, but level of reviews and comparison is way beyond of other youtubers who have more than 100K Subcribers. Amazing work, real world examples like shooting in front of windows is just perfect.
LOL you got no reply from Peter even though you tried!
so true
The key is they post often which keeps them in the algorithm. If this guy posted at least 1 video a week he would have at least 10K to 20k subscribers right now. People can't subscribe if you don't have your videos popping up on their homepage.
Thank you Peter for taking the time to do these wonderful tests. They answered a lot of questions. There are some colors that the Pocket 6K does better than the S5 according to your tests, but then there are some colors that the S5 does better. And the recoverable shadow detail in the S5 is amazing. I'm sold on the S5. It's interesting, but you may be able to get better color if you try a different LUT. I bought the Juan Melara P6K2ALEXA LUT and I use it on the Pocket 6K footage and I am able to match my Arri Alexa shots very closely. I took the same LUT and applied it to some Panasonic S1 V-Log footage I had downloaded and I was amazed. It pulls out certain color variation subtleties that I couldn't get otherwise on the S1. You should give it a try. It's only $30 bucks. It may map out the colors on your S5 footage to give you a better red on that door.
Now the question is, S5 or A7SIII? I think that side-by-side, the S5 would probably render nicer skin tones than the Sony, but the Sony's rock-solid autofocus and full frame 4K60 and 4K120 make it a tough call. I guess I should buy both the S5 and the A7SIII. Haha.
No Prob! Its only in side by side you really see these differences. If I have a low budget job where I dont want to hassle with everything that comes with the bmpcc6k I'll use the S5.
Juan Melara is great! Ill have to check out his luts. I have been following Waqas Qazi, his colorgrading tutorials are killer! Juan doesnt post that much. I dont use luts that often, only film luts everyonce in a while. A7s3 is killer but its a one trick pony for me. There will be soon other cameras that shoot 4k 120, ill probably wait.
Do you by any chance remember if you used any lut to grade this s5 footage? Just bought it and the official vlog lut gives me red pink skintones and and it's super frustrating.
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. It was very informative and thoughtfully articulated.
I’d like to know the glass used for each camera. As well as if you graded in Da Vinci.
You sir are a freakin genius !! Thanks for this comparison test . I was getting tired of everyone else’s “ s5 has horrible focus” videos
yeah man. Thanks!
true but af is becoming so reliable especially with these smaller mirrorless cameras, being able to fly on a gimble or steady cam with reliable af and 10bit....oh boy this would destroy everything in its price range
GH5 user here, needing to get a new cam soon as mine is absolutely battered! I was drawn to the S5 as soon as I read about it and have been watching a ton of videos on it. I was pretty convinced already but this video seals the deal. You now have 230 subscribers 😁
You still have the s5?
@@NeroMC no, I still have the GH5 😅
Nice comparison, you really put in time and effort into the video. Thanks for your work. Really shows what lumix s5 is capable of. I would love to see a comparison of the BMPCC6K vs Lumix S5 Mark 2, that will be really awesome
This made my choice clear, S5 it is. Ordered :D
@@Thevikingcam they did you choise wrong :D Blackmagic have no such noises in such shots like here, it's something that autor did with a options, ISO etc ;)
@@NatLifeSounds nah, s5 is full frame. And is photo camera. AF too.
@@Thevikingcam depends from what you need. I have a full frame camera, and I need a cinematic camera not a digital camera. My Google Pixel can do the same amazing digital pictures
I feel like shooting raw is what caused the noise, since typically H.264 encodings have noise reduction baked-in. I would have loved to see the BMPCC6K exposed to its 'full potential,' that is, with the highlights overexposed but pulled back in post (which is possible due to RAW).
Jordan Lin yeah raw is noisier, I’ve had the Bmpcc6k for a while and I’m confident in the way I exposed it. I set the highlights to the point where they were just recoverable and the highlight recovery box wasn’t needed.
Don't forget S5 has an FF sensor with larger pixel pitch, so it's also more light sensitive. Sure Panasonic is doing some NR in-camera, but so is blackmagic - although to a much lesser degree. Braw is partially debayered in camera, and there is a light NR tweaking in there too. That's why they got almost half a stop of DR on the UMP with braw. It's cleaner in the shadows if you compare it to CDNG.
Stefan Tasic in all reality, I would consider the DR of these cameras to be close enough for any project I would work on. The S5 is now my roninS cam 100% due to the fact it will match colors well (with a little more work than what I put into the vid) with the Bmpcc6k. Not to mention FF, super light, and autofocus.
Curious to see what raw coming out of it does, hopefully braw at some point via BM monitor.
@@shootMEpeter Absolutely. For most jobs both will do just fine. The choice comes down to other things, like if you need active cooling, or if you need a true hybrid, but in terms of image quality both cameras come pretty close. It will be interesting to see how prores raw compares.
You right the S5 has a softer image.... Bmpcc6k it is sharper and that means S5 it is using some auto noise reduction....
I'm using the S1 for one year now, that shares the same sensor and DR, and I'm really happy with the results I'm getting from it! Panasonic did a great job with these codecs!
Panasonic has always been good for video. But autofocus really sucks. Which is a shame.
@@alibinfarman I don't use autofocus...so it's fine for me.
Luca Bono great to hear! As a non-autofocus user (Bmpcc6k life). The autofocus works great for me. I can Setup the S5 for an interview and go concentrate on the 2nd cam.
@@shootMEpeter doesn't it have problems with the background in these interview situations? Saw quite some video's where the background pulses quite a bit, which is distracting.
The blackmagic is shooting "Raw" (while not true raw, it is barley processed compared to the panasonic, which means it doesn't have as much NR if any at all applied. You need to apply it in post). The same goes for sharpness. Also the first test you did not do right. Re do it at iso 1000 and ETTR on the p6k then bring the iso down a little in post. This is how you retain more stops in the highlights and expose for the dark subject. You bring the iso down in post to obtain a cleaner image and get proper exposure after ETTR. I can't stand how many tests are done at iso 400 when this is clearly a situation that you shouldn't use it. Go look at the DR chart for the p6k and you'll see what I am saying. iso 400 is only good for controlled lighting situations and scenes without a ton of highlight information. Also for lowlight 1250 is the sweetspot of the camera and not 3200. 1250 will retain more stops of shadow detail and have a cleaner image. 3200 is usually fine too if needed (yes I'm aware it is the iso that has no gain or negative gain applied) but this is how dual native iso works. I'm getting tired of telling people this and the amount of shear misinformation about how the iso effects the DR allocation of this camera and cameras alike.
Your CA is caused by the lens and aperture. Plain and simple and has nothing to do with the camera nor the codec used. Also again the panasonic is processed in camera and could be fixing the CA in camera. If you used the same lenses between the two cameras then this would clearly explain why there is CA on the p6k.
Finally someone who understands all of this... Thanks.
I hope Peter Roessler Understands all that Micah Ross is pointing out. In summary, your settings on the Pocket6k is totally wrong.
yes most youtubers dont know this information 800-1000 iso give good amount of information in highlights also i owned the s1 and i cant even compare the colors and filmilc look the p6K is far better the DR of panasonic is good but i hate the colors and the slow mostions 120P is unusable and as tone of grain
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@@NathanKatash 120 fps om s1h much better in fhd vs bm6k in 2.6k - Like a soap. I saw dozens video on ytb, it cant be upscaled to 4k. But Panasonic fhd 120 fps u can upscale and result is good.
Such a nice comparison video. So calming and i can see everything i wanted to know. Its amazing! More of that please
Been using my S1 for a while, but I pre-ordered the s5, great video, keep it up man, you deserve more subs!
Why might I ask?
This video is so well done, goes in depth into the matter, great job!
I purchased the S5 few days ago after watching countless review! Unfortunately I found this video after the purchase, but I'm glad to see that your thorough tests, which represents real world scenario, confirms the good quality of this camera and its sensor/image processor!
The fact it's so good just using the internal recording is fantastic.
Having a Ninja V, I will try to record in RAW for sure!
Unfortunately not having a Mac I'm stuck with Premiere Pro for editing RAW, and as a new Davinci Resolve user is a big downside (not S5 fault though of course).
I put a like on your video of course and you gained a new subscriber!
Thanks for your work in this video.
Wow. This is great. I literally just pre ordered the S5 and this video just made me that much more happy that I did! Thank you!. New sub here! Great channel! 🙌
Crawfo Productions congrats! Your gonna like the S5. It’s a pretty awesome cam. Your gonna enjoy grading the footage too with that full vlog!
Peter Roessler Very excited! Thank you! Should match up good with my gh5 I hope! Need to buy v log for that one still. Boooo! 👎 lol
Crawfo Productions I’m assuming it will match up. I had someone shooting bts for with a Gh5s on my other S5 vid and it seemed to match. Not sure if (Gh5s color=gh5 color). Ha you’ll figure it out!
Thanks for putting this together. I've shot a lot on the S5 sensor in other cameras that use it too, and a good bit on the P6k/Zcam S6 sensor. Both are quality sensors, but the full frame sensor is just better all around. The full frame sensor just has very clean shadows and great low light performance. When the light goes its easy to see which camera is better. It would be interesting to see this test again once Pro Res RAW is released for S5, and see how that compares to the braw
Josh Kidd Films yeah man! It’s crazy the discussions I get into with my RED shooting friends about how amazing these cameras are (S5, Bmpcc6k etc).
I’m def looking forward to trying out the raw. The only issue for me is I edit on a pc and in resolve, hopefully BM comes up with a way to read the raw camera data and turn it into braw. Proresraw seems pretty limited from what I’m reading (no white balance adj, very limited controls). Thanks for taking part in the discussion!
@@shootMEpeter latest update has enabled the white balance adjustment for prores raw. Interestingly... This adjustment is available in select cams. S1H has it... Will see if S5 gets it too.
@@shootMEpeter czcams.com/video/8HtwLJRUNEc/video.html here is the link. Let us know if this update is any better compared to actual raw or even braw.
Thanks! But the firmware for raw isn’t out yet for the S5 right? I think Panasonic said it’s coming later.
@@shootMEpeter yes raw update for s5 isn't out yet. I was just mentioning the white balance adjustment part that has been taken care of in latest final cut pro update
Hi Pete, it would be lovely to see a follow up video to this one next month (hopefully you still have access to these cameras).. but shooting BRAW 12 Bit 6K on the S5. This will make the comparison fairer and also reveal what the footage would look like without in-camera corrections on the S5. You would probably need a 12G HDR Recorder, of course. Thanks for this video though. It is a beautiful comparison, and relevant because these cameras do compete in a similar price range as cinema cameras.
Thanks for taking the time to show us this! You've got a new sub here.
Very helpful video, I'm looking to upgrade from my gh5, and this really helped. Thanks for taking the time to do the comparison 👍
Great comparison! On any of the comparison shots, most notably the darker scenes, did you use ISO 4000 on the S5? Might have been out of your test case but just curious is you tested any of the dual native on that camera which I know is very helpful.
Ray Murakawa thanks! Yeah man check out the vid on my page called “body and mind” the outside shots were in 4000iso mostly. I used 8000iso a ton as well since the 20-60 isn’t that fast. It does well in lowlight!
Very helpful review, I'm glad it went in that direction. I had an S5 on back order since October lol
In my tests the S5/S1 in V-log has about a stop more DR than the P6K but the BRAW codec is much more flexible in terms of actually exploiting large DR scenes and you can ‘break’ the internal codec on the S5 so the practical advantage is less. Once you start to use NR in resolve the shadow depth in the P6K is remarkable. Not just tonal detail but also colour separation. For high ISO the S1/5 really pulls ahead and they are true low light cameras. Good as the S1/5 are in tests and specs the colour ‘ fidelity’ of the P6K is enough ahead to choose it over the S1/5 if situations allows. They both complement each other so any serious shooter should own both esp if you shoot high frame rates as the aps-c crop on the S1/5 is very much inferior to the P6k full frame.
I've had my S5 on order w/BH and I've been teetering on decision to pull the plug in favor of a better focusing system.. watching this low light footage again just sort of talked me off the ledge lol. Thanks again :)
Yeah this cam has amazing image quality. The autofocus is great for what I use it for (interviews). Enjoy the cam!!
Thank you so much, I wasn’t sure which one to get. Now I know. Great video, keep up the good work 💪🏼
Do you see a difference in quality from the 6k opposed to the S5? Im thinking about getting the Video Assist 12g for my S5 just to record 5.9k but not sure how big the difference is in terms of quality
Youve helped me end my search for a entry level camera. Thank you.
Excellent news! Glad to help. Looking forward to seeing what you make with it!
The best test i ever seen, thank you
Finally someone who shoots ETTR in real situations for a dynamic range test! Subscribed and looking forward to future content!
ETTR for the win! ha. Yeah man! Thanks
Thanks. A bit strange that in some of the shots the BMPCC6K is soft compared to S5, while for moire test the S5 looks very soft. Why is that? And would be nice if you could comment on the ISOs for the lowlight parts.
This is a fantastic comparison Peter. Thank you so much for sharing!
Its so nice to see someone doing a proper dynamic range test in which we can see results in a real setting.
Out of the shadows. Thanks! That was the goal, something we as camera users, can see. Glad the examples worked out!
Excellent points. Love the fact that you test each camera to its best effort. That’s truly a way to have a fair test. I own both LUMIX and Sony. I shoot the a7s and the S5. Both have great image quality and both have differences. I see that because I shoot each camera to its strengths. Thanks for the review.
Awesome comparison! Audio quality was fantastic. What microphone did you use for this?
Great video Peter! May I ask you what Lut did you use to color grade the S5 footage? Thank you.
Attila Bartha thanks! I used no LUTs. I graded in DaVinci resolve. I’m going to make a vid about grading at some point.
Here’s a fun hint tho: check out the dehaze plugin in the color page!
i been looking at alot of BMPCC 6k vs Everything (C70, A7siii, s5, GH6 etc.) and I can't get over how much more "filmic" the BlackMagic 6k cameras produces vs specifically Panasonic, whose image seems to be very digital and video-y. BlackMagic has that...filmic look...for me its in the movement, and overall 'look' of the image - i.e. even in the simple panning tests from 7:11 to 7:41, the s5 image seems to be rendering frame to frame or something - like there's a bit of a stutter due to the codec itself whereas, the BlackMagic seems to be flowing easily, creating a more believable scene - everything looks organic, like its supposed to be there. Just wanted to know if anyone else thought the BM crushes any camera around it's price range, if its the filmic look one's going for.
Absolutely agreed with you. I also see how BM is looks like cinematic and Panasonic in same time as perfect digital. But Cinematic means more organic than just perfect digital.For digital we can use smartphones which every next year doing a better quality of images.
Fantastic job man!! Thank you very much!! A lot of people saying that blackMagic make "more cinematic" footage but here you can see that it depends actually and very achievable with panasonic in particular.
I own the BMPCC4K. And I just preordered the S5. Part of the reason I looked into the S5 is that I've been shooting with Panasonic for a while. I shot a feature film on the GH5 and it came out great. After seeing this, I am glad I'll be getting the S5. There is the talk of the AF in the S5, but I saw a CZcamsr adjust the AF settings and get pretty reliable AF response out of it. Either way, the S5 looks really good. Thanks for this video.
VFX Todd I think you will be as pleasantly surprised as I was when you start using the S5. In the hands of someone who knows what they are doing you won’t really miss the bmpcc4k sad to say. AF is really up to how you use the camera. I just started filming myself (I always film interviews of other people/subjects) and autofocus is a dream to have. Notice in this vid my Bmpcc6k footage of myself is out of focus and the lit shots of the S5 are locked on. That’s Autofocus working and that’s all I need!
For gimbal work as well! S5 is my new gimbal cam for sure!
Thanks for watching and taking part in the discussion!
Great video!
If money wasn't an issue; would it still be a smart to pick up the S1H over the S5? I'm having a hard time finding the right pro's and cons.
I'd buy the S1H if money wasn't an issue. It has a better sensor (to manage noir), better cooling, full size HDMI port and camera sync.
for the low light shots, IDK what lens you used but with my sigma 18 - 35 I get much better results in low light with my bmpcc4k and the metabones speedbooster.
Great real life test. I am greatful to pre ordered the S5. Thx a lot!
Peter, were you using the S5 for the talking head parts of your video?
By far the best review of the cameras for me.Thanks Peter.
Excellent video, I love the way you compared them! Good work Peter.
Your new friend in Warsaw :)
Thanks. Nice edition. Is te slow motion 60fps?
Very nice test and makes me miss central park. Would be curious to know how you confirmed you were just under hard clipping both cameras? You mentioned using 100IRE zebras but that can be problematic if one log curve uses superwhites or not. Some cameras have as much as a whole stop of detail stored in the 100-109IRE range which can throw off comparative results. Your results seem right given what I've seen from other tests of each of these cameras but I'd want to see that confirmation of equal white clip before trusting that I can take what you're showing is a good comparison of dynamic range.
Great skilled comparison! More of these kinds of videos!
Awesome voice pickup from the mic. What mic is that?
Hey, How do you color correct the s5 footage? did you use LUT? Thank you
Thank you so much! Did you grade them both to looks similair or did you use the factory luts for each camera?
AVICIIZ yeah! I graded them to the same contrast and saturation, then matched (or tried) to match them to each other.
Peter Roessler they looked very similair. Would love to see more skintone comparisons
You just have a new subscribe this test was so professionell 👍 greetings from a S5 Owner from Berlin Germany
Thankyou for making this comparison video. I've been considering an s5.
I just bought the S5 I 2023 and I am amazed about the skin tones and overall image quality 🥰👌
Dam good comparison man. You deserve 100K subscribers.
Just subscribed and really loved this. A Panasonic rep recommended it so you're being watched lol! You should ask for a free camera :p
I have the S1H but we're looking for some new cameras at work and the debate is between the S5 and the BMPCC6K so this is perfect timing! Everything is stronger with the S5 except for that one point about the BMPCC6K looking more filmic. The BMPCC6K almost blooms in the highlights. I'd be curious to see how the S5 looked with a 1/8th promist compared to the BMPCC6K. I'm also curious about how the S1H would compare with OLPF. Maybe your next video!
If Panasonic rep recommended it to you. Peter may have got it for free already. :-)
Use vintage glasses on the s5, turns the s5 into a whole different animal
Thank you so much for this review, incredibly helpful.
i think both the cromatic aberration and the higher noise on the bpmcc6k is due to the fact that shooting raw doesn’t process the image? Over all pretty amazing how close these caeras are. Great video!🤩👌🏻
Can you please share the accessory you used to mount the camera on top of the pocket?
Just bought this in 2022. This sold me - Thanks Peter. Got the camera and two lenses for about $2300 BRAND NEW. KILLER SALE right now.
what picture style you shot s5 on ? cinelike d2, standard, natural? also did you use intelligent dynamic range or was this disabled?
cheers man - not too scientific - not too run and gun - a pragmatic and artistic test - much appreciated - subbed - i kept seeing little bits and pieces on youtube about how clean panasonic's image was and you just confirmed it - would love to see you do an ibis test - there are very few online ibis tests and you might get some good views on such a test - i'm thinking sony vs panny vs fuji vs canon - anyway, peace :)
Wow! Thank u so much for this comparison.I've been researching for a few months now btwn the G9,S5 and the BMPCC4K.A because of these REAL TIME examples and GREAT EXPLANATION of flaws and differences btwn the 2 it looks like the S5 is the way to go.Body only,I'm looking at $8-$900 used.With kit lens around $12-13.Is the kit lens good enough or do u have a lens recommendation?
thanks for this fantastic comparison! as my name says, i'm more into aerial shot, but I was looking for a good ground cam for long. canon's r5 overheating monster didn't impress me. sony's a7siii also didn't get me - (12mp sensor would be a bit low for photography - since I also wanna do photography). So I almost went for the bmp6k, since some of the ground teams I work with use them with satisfying results.
but then this baby appeared... and I wondered how it would compare with other cams. I saw a "low light" test and it didn't feel it like has to hide from the sony a7siii. And now your video also shows that it's quite competitive with the bmp6k 👍might go for it. yes i know, it doesn't have a "good" autofocus as those other guys, but in pro video creation that is not such a big deal 😅
You got it!
Everything you are thinking is on track for me as well. It’s funny regarding autofocus: my Bmpcc6k was out of focus because I had to film myself (something I haven’t done much of) and the S5 was right on, even if it was searching in super dark situations.
My only current issue with the S5 is lens options. EF-Lmount adapters are $200, which is silly for a glorified spacer to me.
Hopefully there will be more super fast lens options coming out soon!
You won’t be disappointed. PS I’m gonna study your channel, just got the Mavic air 2 and have been figuring out why HDR doesn’t expose properly!
Thanks for your interest!
Why do you have only 1.5K subscribers. We can see that you care about the output and put an effort to make the review less of a YT-style content and trying it to make it more cinematic, so to speak. New sub here.
Great tests! Glad you did it the way you did. Curious, when grading the BRaw did you use Gen 4 or 5 color? Gen 5 seems to have fixed those reds clipping. Also, could that BM banding be IR pollution? And now I'm even more puzzled over that BM CA, any idea? Could the codec in the S5 be cleaning that up really? What was the lens options? Once that firmware for the S5 comes out giving it 5.9k raw external (prores raw), I really wish they would also give the S5 support with the BM Video Assist so it can record BRaw but I doubt it.
T.J. Penton thanks! I use the gen 5, BUT, what I didn’t mention (for a future vid) is that I always bypass the BM color science and use ACES and ACEs CCT in the raw tab and use the color space converter in a node to change to Arri LoG and Arri color. It bypasses the BM brown/green color on the old and new cams.
Still looking into the CA. I need to see if it was the lens.
The S5 was the 20-60 3.5-5.6. Killer little kit lens. The S5 his officially my Ronin camera.
I agree 100% about braw in raw output. There was some fight between Atomos and Black magic so there’s politics behind that. BUT, the output from the cam is just raw info and can be wrangled into a codec. Fingers crossed!
Thanks for your interest!
@@shootMEpeter Ahh, that explains a few things.
First: The BMD Film Gen 5 IDT doesn't exist yet.
Second: There was also red clipping on the S5 which I've never seen on the S1H
Third: Overall greenish tint with the S5 and warm reds
@@shootMEpeter Would love to see a vid on your ACES workflow. Just getting into ACES now.
@@DennisSchmitz Where did you see the red channel clipping on the S5? There aren't a lot of videos comparing S5 and the S1H, but on the rare ones (like the one by DPReview), the colors match pretty well.
Finally something interesting) Thanks for the comparison! Did you notice difference in screen brightness? Is S5's screen brighter?
Kirill Kleykov thanks man I appreciate the kind words.
The screen on the S5 is super sharp and bright. I believe it is a little brighter than the Bmpcc6k. Having the electronic viewfinder is a live saver for exposure checks. On the Bmpcc6k I default to false color most of the time for exposure, but focus is always a gamble! Haha.
I’ll confirm how much difference in brightness there is for you.
Thanks for the comparison, Peter. Really helpful. Both images are really close in many of the shots with, as you alluded to, an advantage in noise to the S5 and an advantage to color fidelity to the 6K.
Marin Real Estate Photography you got it! Yep the S5 is now my go to ronin s camera. It’s light and has a great dynamic range. The Bmpcc6k will always be my A Camera.
Great job 👌 really awesome review and super helpful
Great review. I love the lack of chillstep music too. Thinking of getting the s5
Fantastic comparison bro! But how would the s5 compares in terms of artifacts, like color blotches, macroblocking, banding, compression artifacts when there are a lot of detail and movement in the frame etc. when compared to the blackmagic?
I’m on location now shooting a ton with both cameras. Underexposure is the killer of any camera, but that’s where the artifacts of the Panasonic show up. A million times better than the gh5, but the Bmpcc6k has a super strong image in its braw.
I also only have the 20-35 f3.5-5.6 which doesn’t let me get very “artsy” 1.4 1.2 shallow shots, so the S5 will look more video than the Bmpcc6k.
The S5 on the ronin s is solid! That’s where this cam fits into my workflow
@@shootMEpeter Ah I see, but have you seen any banding on the s5 footage?
Thank You! Great test!
Great video comparison Peter! Love Panasonic’s colours and built quality. Definitely leaning more towards S5 😃 thanks again for this video 💪
My pleasure! Yeah its a great cam! again as an avid RAW shooter and BM fanboy, the S5 blew me away. Let me know what your thoughts are when you get it!
Great job man! Definitely a good real world comparison. Keep up the good work! New sub here 😉
Glen Reed thanks glen! And thanks for the sub!
Pretty interesting comparison. Very useful information for taking a decision between both cameras.
From Thailand,Thank you so much for do the it's the test that i want to see.Great job!
Hey Thailand! I miss your country! Can’t wait to go back. Thank you!
chromatic aberration comes from the lens either you shot on different lenses or the aperture was not the same ( unless s5 has built in camera chromatic aberration reduction in the image pipeline)
What a fun little video that's well presented. I own a bmpcc and two gh5 cameras and was considering an s5. It's so hard to keep only one camera 😅 Btw instant sub, I'm looking forward to more so thank you!
Comments section of awesome too 😁
Hey thanks! Much appreciated. I’m a fan of a lot of people making vids on CZcams and I decided to take part sharing my experiences. It’s great to find an interested community and have positive discussions! Looking forward to making more!!
@@shootMEpeter can't wait!
Great, but Very important is to know what lenses you used?
great video...sold my S1R a few months ago and still regret it. I think I'll be picking up the S5 soon!
Peter are you going to use the Panasonic S5 Mark ii and Panasonic S5 Mark ii X
great testing and thanks for sharing your findings.. greetings from Sweden... cheers.
Thanks! Sweden, I need to go there. Its on the list
What lens were you using on each cam? That makes a huge difference. I have a GH5 (panasonic 12 to 35) and the BMPCC 6k (sigma 18 to 35). That lens on my 6k blows everything out of the water. However, I don't have the S5. I get great results with the GH5 so I probably would not upgrade to the S5.
doriginal69 canon 10-18 and the lumix 20-60
If we are talking dynamic range, the contrast difference in the lenses wouldn’t make a difference. But for other things yes. Even my sigma 35 1.4, prob my sharpest lens, makes chromatic aberration on the Bmpcc6k.
This was only a DR test so that’s what I was focused on.
Thanks for taking part in the discussion!
Nice review. Thank you Peter!
Thanks Adam!
thank you . the best comparison in youtube. subscribed. i am cinematographer deciding which camera to buy ,mainly for indie films. i used to have a bmpcc 4k. i read somewhere that S5 shoots 24 fps in lower bit rates around 150mps. i don't care about numbers. in your opinion did you find ay difference in image quality. whats tempting about s5 is full frame and image stabilization which will help in run and gun indie scenario. please let me know
Was low light shot also with base ISO? But which base for BMPCC 6k? Since it's dual ISO.
Low light was shot in the higher range of the dual ISO (6400 for the outdoor restaurant - which is 3200 base ISO with a digital gain to 6400)
Could the chromatic aberration be a function of the EF lens you used on the BM6K? Nonetheless, you seemed to have put both cams through a rigorous real-world test. I'm impressed with the S5 so far from what I've seen.. definitely rising up my short list for new system. I think Ima gonna sub *Peter Roessler*
Clickumentary It happens on certain lenses, most of the time I have a IR cut filter and an ND on the cam, I didn’t have them on theses tests so there weren’t any color shifts. I think it’s a combo f11 and high contrast bringing in too much sharpness.
I also use a 1/4 black pro mist a lot which also softens the image.
Overall the S5 is killer tho!
Thanks for the sub!
What the hell, how do you only have 137 subscribers? Subbed. Nice work
Ha thanks! Working on it. This is only my second video. Hoping to grow!
Peter Roessler if you keep making stuff like this, I’m sure you will!
Great video. Recently got the 6k and I'm experiencing similar noise problems in the shadows when shooting in 6k raw. I do think there's something I'm doing wrong though and I'm not convinced that it's the camera's fault. At least not yet.
just look to other's videos in low lights, there is no noises like here. It's all depends from options you choosed.
I want to see them unlock 12bit ProRes RAW from the S5 via Atoms and then redo this DR test. It's so much cleaner IMO. But BM6K is safe. Is the DR better or same on the S1H?
Yeah I’m looking forward to playing with that footage when it’s available!
I’ve never used an S1H but I think it’s the same, but if you are shooting 6k from the s1h in a 4K timeline the noise prob gets crushed more so a cleaner look.
Is there a possibility for a reshoot now that the S5 has got the RAW update ?
That was an interesting comparison . Thanx
Yeah! I took the S5 out and shot some prores raw. First impressions were that, Shooting prores raw on the S5 is just as much of a pain as the battery life is on the bmpcc6k. The battery life of the ninja is horrible, and as a PC editor, prores raw doesnt fit into my workflow. IQ of the prores raw looks good tho!
@@shootMEpeter Ohh ok that was a surprise about the Ninja V battery life. What a shame. Thanks anyways. I have Seen your other videos on your work with the photos and videos. Very impressive. You have great technic.
Question. On the Pocket 6k, did you drop your white level and then click highlight recovery?
Hey Lee, I didn’t over expose most of the time so I only used it on the shot with the sun (noisy rocks) and with the street lamp.
Highlight recovery is awesome for anything that’s blown out, I think you could consider it adding an extra stop of DR to the cam.
@@shootMEpeter I've found it to give more than 1 stop. A lot more actually. Cheers
Great video man
What blackmagic color science version was used in this review.
how did you shoot yourself by yourself ? I use old OG bmpcc but i am having hard time to shoot myself for youtube.
What mic was that you were using at the end?
vlog set on the s5 in this video?
Considering Braw capabilities -> Highlights recovery , the flat one on the bmpcc6k dont look so pushed / exposed to the right.
Hi, congratulation for the interesting video.
How do u call the transiction that u use? Thanks
Thanks!
I dont remember where I got them but search "Davinci Resolve Fusion transitions". There are a ton of tutorials and I think some to buy
Great work 👍 thank a lot ❤️
Great comparison sir
what camera did you use to shoot the interview ?
Can you do an autofocus test,the down side of the s5 is said to be AF ,can you recommend this for wedding photograph and videography.
Thanks
Timothy
For wedding photograph and videography - Sony, best AF.