Alec Baldwin "Rust" Shooting Analysis and Comparison to Brandon Lee Incident on "The Crow"
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the movie set shooting of Halyna Hutchins, which involved the actor Alec Baldwin, and compare the incident to the shooting of Brandon Lee?
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I am an armorer and a firearms instructor by profession. I see this term "misfire" being used incorrectly by the media a lot. A misfire is when a cartridge fails to fire after the trigger is pulled and the primer struck, typically due to an incomplete powder burn. A faulty round. What happened here is what's called a "negligent discharge".
EXACTLY 😁🤬AND NOT AN ACCIDENT🤬
Why would they have found so much live ammunition on the set? Any idea.
@@bonniehaynes7753 that would fall upon the armorer. I have heard that crew members were plinking (recreational shooting) on the set earlier in the day. Obviously this should never happen on a movie set, especially with a firearm that is going to be used as a prop. With the special effects that are available, there is no place for live ammunition on a movie set and in my opinion, no need for real firearms at all.
And is it not true that semi-auto handguns have approx. 100% more “misfires” than revolvers?? In the 35 year history of the police department I worked for, not a single “misfire” or “accident” happened until we changed from .357’s to 9mm. The first week of training with a semi-auto was nerve wracking, to say the least.
@@chiefkatiehawke8800 He's talking about the misused term "misfire", which appears to be what is referenced in several media sources describing the unintentional discharges that led up to the lethal discharge of the firearm on this set. The media in general doesn't understand the difference. What you're talking about, I assume, are the failures that used to be much more prevalent when semi-auto handguns were first introduced to the police forces in the U.S. The unreliability of semi-autos has been largely overcome in the intervening decades, through precision CNC machines, etc... But you are, of course, correct that there were many more issues with semi-auto handguns in their infancy. The only reason the Colt 1911s of WWI and WWII weren't subject to as many reliability issues is largely due to the same reason that AK-47s are reliable. Loose tolerances make up for a multitude of sins.
Back in the 1980’s a fellow extra told me he was in a scene where a main character was to threaten him with a gun near his face and fire an empty gun. He asked to check the gun and found it was not empty but filled with small fire, in Australia called rabbit shot. He was very lucky as the gun could have blinded or killed him. I never forgot his advice.
I dont think the public knows if he checked the gun. But I`m sure now he wished he did. Sad thing about all of this is there were so many red flags. He will never get over this and the people that were there wont either.
That’s insane.
I can only say that when a real gun is used, there is always a chance. I cannot blame anyone in particular but the people who think they need a real gun in stead of a fake one that looks real, is the major problem. I am very saddened that this happened. Please don't use real guns in entertainment.💙💙💙🇨🇦😥😥
So lucky. I remember that I read about an actor who killed himself by messing with a gun in the set. The gun had blanka and he pointed it to his own head as a joke but didn't realise even blanks can be dangerous if shot that close (there was maybe something more inside). This happened in the 80s too but I don't remember his name.
@@darlenelawson1255 What's next? Fake cars in movies?
My Dad taught me one important thing - there’s no such thing as a unloaded gun. Treat every gun as loaded, there’s no accidental shooting of anyone.
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That's a wise piece of advice.
And, don't point it at anyone, loaded or not, unless they need shot.
Bravo to you re: proper gun care.
@CAROLINA PATRIOT he was directed to point it. Yes he should have checked it however he does Not deserve a prison sentence
It’s interesting how many in the movie industry are anti guns but they portray the most violent scenes with the most killing power. They do not live in reality and should never be looked up to. Thank you for your analysis.
Is it any different than a sane moral person portraying a creepy killer? It's called acting for a reason.
PAfarmgirl. You seem not to understand what acting is. Actors help tell a story, just like writers tell a story. Maybe you need to read a book or two this decade. You may find that writers often write about things they oppose to make their point. In the same way, actors portray people they are not and with whom they may share no agreement on many levels. Actors will continue to be looked up to, as they have been for centuries, for acting skills and making believable (or not) a story told on stage. It's a profession, and just because it is not your profession does not mean it does not have value, and does not mean that people who are in that profession should not be admired for their skills as actors.
This event was a heartbreaking and tragic accident and has nothing to do with the actor's choice of films to do. If, upon further review of the situation, it turns out that, without the knowledge of the armorer or the actor, someone with access on the set switched or loaded the gun so that the prop gun used was loaded with anything (live or blank) that could hurt someone, then it would potentially contribute to the notion that guns or ammunition are too accessible and certainly can be used to further someone's nefarious agenda. Or perhaps it was just a freak accident. I don't know and you don't either. Regardless, this event does not promote the benefits of guns in our society.
As for your much needed continuing education, PAFarmgirl, I would suggest regular trips to the public library to check out and read books that will help you understand the complexity of the world in which we all live.
@@jellybean6778 You don't need to read a book to know that pointing a gun and pulling a trigger is dangerous,stupid and inexcusable. if you did that with the same results as in this case, bet you wouldn't be walking around.
@@ritawilliams8686 i didnt write that reading a book would help her understand that pulling a trigger is dangerous. Your statements make no sense.
I suggested reading more to understand that people can write about situations with which they don't agree (fully or partially) because the author wants to demonstrate a particular point, and the trajectory of the story, all the actions and dialog together take the reader there, or at least give the reader food for thought writers don't write violent scenes because they like or agree with violence. Likewise, actors can act in plays and films and may not agree personally with particular actions or dialog but their personal feelings about these things may have nothing to do with why they agreed to act in the play or film. In my response to her, I directly addressed PAFarmgirl's assumptions about the actor's motivation, assumptions that revealed her ignorance and naivete, both of which can be tempered by a broader education; hence, regular trips to the library.
@@jellybean6778 If the gun is in your hand YOU are responsible. Story telling or not. Guns are serious business. The actor is a seasoned actor with countless hours of handling guns. All guns, stage guns or not, are exceedingly dangerous. One ALWAYS checks the gun you are handling. ALWAYS! There is no room for just picking up a gun and firing it. NEVER. You have the gun in your hand, YOU are responsible. End of story.
I remember when Brandon Lee was shot, it was sad cause he was just at the start of a bright career, and the whole world expected big things from him because he was Bruce Lee's son. So much potential gone in an instant.
I don't get these kinds of comments. It's sad for him to die in any circumstance, even if he wasn't about to become a famous actor, or the son of so-and-so or whathaveyou.
@@lo3769 it's sad for the world, because we never got to see the life and entertainment he potentially would have brought to it, like his father before him did. That's why it's particularly sad.
@@SodaiGoku I get what you are saying, but it implies that some people's lives matter more than others. I just can't get behind that. Edit: to me it's the same as when people say "it's tragic so-and-so died, she was so beautiful" - like it would have been ok for her to die if she wasn't beautiful? I understand it's coming from the right place, but the unsaid implications just never sit right with me.
@@lo3769 it's sad when a person dies of old age, but maybe less sad than a young man, who's father was brilliant and absolutely unique in his own right, and just at the start of a bright career of his own. It's the potential that never was that I think is most tragic, the death itself may be the same.
@moody mother yeah, I think I was a teenager at the time, and very excited to see the famous "Bruce Lee's son" in action, acting. Then shocked when it was over so fast.
I personally think real cartridges should never be anywhere near the set of a film in production, they should only ever be blanks. The cast and crews safety should be held at the highest regard.
I can’t imagine the overwhelming guilt of killing someone like this.
Karma is a B for a known abusive a-hole like Alec Baldwin...also this is super suspicious and I don't believe the official narrative. But that's my jam.
@@jennj9026 the official narrative is already horrible lol why would it be fake
I doubt that douche Alec Baldwin has any guilt. The guy is already passing blame.
This is Alec Baldwin we're talking about. He'll do a rail of coke and completely forget about the woman he killed.
@@jennj9026 Your incomprehensible heartless, mean-spirited reaction leans toward the violence you say you're against.
Alec: "you aren't responsible enough to own a gun"
Also Alec: points a gun at someone BETWEEN TAKES and pulls the trigger.
I stand behind Alec Baldwin. Well, I'm sure not gonna stand in front of him.
Well said!
In 1984 the actor, Jon-Erik Hexum was playing with a gun while making a movie and he apparently thought a blank just made noise but would not hurt him. Sadly, he had no idea that enough gas would be expended to create a fatal wound so he held the gun against his temple and pulled the trigger. He died in the hospital three days later.
My father always taught me to check whether a gun is loaded every single time I pick it up, even if he himself handed it to me after watching him check it right before handing it to me.
ACTS and PROVE
Yep!
I was taught every gun is loaded, even if it’s not.
We practice that, and we taught our teenager that rule. If a firearm is handed to me, I check it myself. That is my peace of mind.
But the gun was supposed to be loaded with blanks no? I’m not sure of Baldwin would have even been able to tell that it was loaded improperly.
Brandon Lee died from a dummy round. The lead end dislodged from the casing and was in the barrel unseen by the prop master. A blank round was used in a following scene resulting in enough projectile force to send the lead tumbling into the actors body. This shooting sounds entirely different. An actual live round was in the gun and was discharged by Mr. Baldwin, passing through the body of Mrs. Hutchins and hitting the Director. There should never be live rounds on a set unless there are very special circumstances with very little people involved. Crew apparently were target practicing after hours with these guns so my guess is that's how real bullets were introduced and slipped pass protocol. It starts with something simple and leads to a long chain resulting in a loss of life. This is terrible for all involved but sadly even the most basic firearms handling would have broken the chain.
There should never be live rounds in any movie set, whatsoever. There are no special circumstances that would warrant such an action.
@@livingadreamlife1428 There may be a scene that requires an actual bullet hitting an object. In that case the set would be closed off to most personnel and a professional fires arms expert would discharge the weapon to complete the scene. This would be done on a separate location. Granted with today's technology all this can be done digitally but some budgets don't have the money. Like I said special circumstance
Ya the Lee case was a bit more complicated. I understand how it could have happened. Not excusing it but I can see where that could have missed. Especially back then. It isn't that common to check for a barrel obstruction. This case is very different though and not excusable in any way shape or form. It was negligent and lazy or even worse intentional. From the sounds of it it was a very unsafe set all around. I think someone should be charged in this after the investigation.
Dumbo Baldwin did not check the cylinder for live bullets!
@@livingadreamlife1428 what if the motive is murder?
I don’t care if my own mother handed me a gun and told me it wasn’t loaded, I would still check it, and check it again before I fired that weapon, I would never fire it while it was pointed at anyone or anything alive.
Exactly.
But this was Hollywood, where they have no respect for guns.
Very interesting doc. Someone is responsible for that woman's death. Putting live ammunition in a prop gun is no accident. Someone did that. Who? Also the prop man said that gun was safe and never actually checked the gun. So much negligence all around.
Agree, I'm waiting for the arrest(s) and charges laid any day now.
the cinematographer husband had ties to clintons or bidens i forgor
Roger that. I heard the same, but it was the Clinton Crime Family. Begs the question was this a deliberate hit so the husband would keep his mouth shut, or as a favor to the husband, which I highly doubt. If someone had my wife murdered to silence me, it would have quite the opposite effect. I'd tell anything and everything I knew, and if they managed to cover it up, I would see justice done, even if I had to do it myself.
I worked on an indie set in Texas, and we used real guns. It was my job to carry them around n a big bucket. Yet in still we had safety meetings before the guns were used every time. The whole crew had to be present to visually insure that the gun was completely clear before the gun was ever handed to an actor. There’s NO excuse for skipping those meetings. I understand that they were trying to cut time, but we all know why they’re necessary.
Why use real guns? To cut costs not having to modify them?
You were carrying guns around in a 'big bucket'. WTF! Is that an appropriate way to transport real guns?
@@bipolarbear9917 If they're unloaded? Sure.
@@Ashton351 Fake guns are much, much cheaper than real guns.
@@TheBuhrewnoShow I'm sorry, but a bucket doesn't seem to be a very appropriate way to store and transport guns. Why not use a proper case with foam cut-outs etc? It's a movie set, not an outing to the beach to build sandcastles. Lol!
Making a film is no excuse for not following gun safety protocols.
He didn’t say that. He said that it was everyone’s responsibility to check that gun.
Unfortunately, they used a non-Union propmaster. It sounds like the propmaster wasn't just non-Union, he was incompetent.
@@tinab3627 if you know anything about gun safety you would know if a firearm is in your hand it is your responsibility to check to make sure it’s safe
@@tinab3627 If something is "everyone's responsibillity" then in reality nobody feels responsible.Their is just ONE owner. ONE responsible. AB delegated the task of loading the gun, yet he remains responsible for using it.
@@justanotherguy4283 Most of these guys don't know about gun safety, though, it's the armorers job to have all of that ready and literally put the gun in the actors hands before their scene, so I've read. Baldwin was at work thinking it's a work day and killed somebody with a prop he was told was safe. Probably everyone involved is totally blown by now.
My main argument against the people who defend Baldwin for not checking the chamber is simply what happened because he didn't. Yes, it was other's job. But if Baldwin had made it his job, too, look at all the disastrous consequences it would have prevented. This isn't just about rules, procedures, legalities, or even professional skills, this is ultimately about self-discipline, caring and respect for others, and common sense.
The gun should NEVER be seen as the responsibility of someone who isn't trained in it. If you're an armorer, you wouldn't want the actors to be messing with what you've set up and potentially cause an accident. Fake bullets can be made into deadly projectiles with just some mild tampering from someone inexperienced. Baldwin should not have made it his job. It's not common sense. Allowing actors to check their guns would cause more accidents, not less.
@@Kushufy Not a bad point, but it's like swiss cheese, full of holes.
George Clooney, for one, would completely disagree with it. So would anyone with any sense of personal responsibility when handling anything dangerous.
I'd compare to the vehicles any of us drive - should we leave it up to a professional driver to drive them? If it crashes and kills someone with ourself at the wheel, and the reason was we hit the accelerator when we meant to hit the brake, who else is at fault?
Contrary to what you claim, Baldwin was himself trained in gun safety, which as I understand is mandatory for someone in his position. He wasn't a visitor on the set offered a chance to shoot a blank, he was an experienced professional himself. Moreover, as producer, overall set safety (including the hiring and supervision of the aforementioned armorer) was his responsibility.
Lastly, what if it was your own wife who was killed, and your own child left without a mother? Would you stick to your view on Baldwin's behalf?
@@craigfinnegan8534 I don't care if he's trained in it, if I've readied a gun for use I wouldn't want anyone messing with it. That's not their job, it'd be my job and my responsibility. If there's ambiguity about what's going on with the gun, that just seems like a lot of pointless trouble. This accident was caused by the armorer leaving an unsafe gun on set, and the assistant for declaring it cold without knowing if it is. Blaming the actor who was behaving like a normal actor when there's these two blatant examples of incompetency is just a weird thing to do. He's gone through something terrible that wasn't his fault, and should be left out of this. And as for the last thing you said, I'm not a lesbian so I don't really see how that would happen.
@@Kushufy It's understandable that you wouldn't want anyone messing with your work, but in this case an actor "messing with your work" would have saved Halyna Hutchins and her family, and Alec Baldwin's own reputation. Don't you think those things are more important than having anyone offend your professional pride?
If you could go back in time to just before this tragedy and you had a choice to tell Baldwin to check the gun before he fired it or just tell him to trust his armorer, which would you have said? "Trust your armorer no matter what the potential consequences?"
Go ahead and reassure Alec Baldwin that it wasn't his fault - that would be small comfort to him compared to the alternative outcome - a different Alec Baldwin who made a well-received, profitable western called "Rust."
In that way, you're not even on Baldwin's side here.
As for my mistaking you for a man, you used my irrelevant mistake to evade my point. That point being - what if Baldwin had killed someone you loved? Would you still be defending him, or suing his ass in court and campaigning for criminal charges to be brought against him?
I read today that cast/crew during down time to pass the boredom used the guns to fire live ammunition at beer cans. The police when inspecting the scene found live and blank rounds tossed into packs. In addition there was another similar incident that happen before and members of the crew had left the movie in protest of unsafe conditions. Each day as new information is released, it paints the picture of a lax and dangerous environment in which safety was disregarded. It wasn't a fluke but pattern of behavior that would eventually lead to someone getting hurt.
Proven false
@@007nadineL Yeah I know after I watched the trial found out it was just a rumor. Apparently there was a shoot range near by where you could hear ppl taking target practice which some how became ppl on set shooting.
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As someone who grew up in Hollywood, and knew both actors and crew, I've always been shocked that accidents weren't rampant on sets. Studios work everyone to near death. There's 18 HR work days, back to back, for set workers and crew members. It's almost as bad for actors. I've seen my friends come home after working without rest, acting take after take from 4AM to midnight and then doing the same the next day. So, I'm not at all surprised the studios worked this non union crew into senselessness. That's how tragic accidents happen.
100%
I didn't know they work that many hours , definitely a big contributing factor
@@TheNumbnail usually 12-14, but that doesn't take into account 1 hour lunch and driving to and from set, which can make the total 18 hours. This is one of the reasons IATSE voted to strike. Long hours, not enough turnaround time, and low wages, considering how many hours crews work per day. It's total BS.
@@lindastraub7542 one of the camera guys slept in his truck one night on set because he was too tired to drive the 50 miles back to Albuquerque because the producers wouldn't put the crew up in Santa Fe. Total BS.
What?! I’ve seen these people at the award ceremonies and I can assure you that their sheet don’t stink. 😇
Thank you for talking about Michael Massee, people often forgot him, it was two life ended in that day, one was Brandon Lee who died and the other was Michael Massee who never could process the fact he killed someone, he was only playing madman in the movies, he was probably a very sensitive guy, he wasn't responsible at all, he only did what was his job and still he was unable to continue his life. He never recovered.
I hope Alec Baldwin will be alright... It would be heartbreaking and traumatic
I was always taught that once a firearm is put into your hands it is your responsibility what happens with it.
This was a very reasonable breakdown. Guns should always be shown with respect, and the chamber should ALWAYS be checked when handed a firearm.
And on sets don't bring live ammunition unless absolutely necessary.
@@idlehour the only people who would need live ammo on a movie set would be security, when it comes to live actors and prop masters and such, it's not needed. There are so many ways to mimic the effect of gunfire without bullets.
@@patrickgardner2204 yeah thats why i said unless necessary
@@idlehour I added my comment because "set" implies the place where the filming is happening, security wouldent usually be near there unless some type of incident is in progress.
@@patrickgardner2204 i agree. Respect. Be well my bud
I live in the town where they were filming The Crow when Brandon Lee got shot. The whole community mourned his death! So sad to hear this has happened again.
Lee's shooting was very suspicious
@@thinkingagain5966 No it wasn't. It was literally easily explained, as shown in this video, and is only considered suspicious because of the rumours around his father's death
@@Hudson316 it wouldn't surprise me if @Thinking Again thinks there is microchips in COVID vaccines
@@Hudson316 the only similarity between the 2 shootings is that they happened on a movie set. U obviously dont know the details of what happened with brandon lee so dont @ me
I was at stationed at Camp Lejeune and went to Wilmington the following weekend. It was sad and very strange what happend.
Had Alec followed the most basic gun safety rules, and checked the real gun first when handed a gun, to verify if it’s a cold gun, he might have known it was a hot gun. Never point a real gun at anyone and fire your weapon. But Alec didn’t do that because he neglected to follow basic safety procedures. Never take anyone’s word for it that a gun is safe after they hand it to you.. you double check it yourself.
The gun was given to him and annonced as cold. Its actually the fault of the main armorer, a 26 year old rookie who was hired because her dad did the same job. She did a whole podcasts interview saying she was afraid to work with blanks and that she was learning as she go. Also Nicholas cage almost Lost his earing because of her on her frist job and she was fired. This was her second job. Also the assistant Real who gave the gun to Baldwin announced it as cold. There was no way for Baldwin to see if it was Real or not. Because of the way those old west gun are prepared
@@ElieSanhDucos0 yes, that’s true. I’m seeing more coverage and reading more about her inexperience as the story is now unfolding and people on the set are leaking info. But still, anyone who is a responsible gun owner will tell you, that in those communities of shooting ranges and gun advocates, hyper vigilant safety awareness is drilled into you. You learn and digest all the safety protocols, and live by them. When handed a gun, you always check it first to see if it’s loaded. Period. The fact that Alec didn’t do that, makes him a despicable person. He preached anti gun laws, and went after gun owners, but yet knew nothing about gun safety, and now this anti gun advocate has killed someone with a gun. Rule number one, always check a gun first to see if it’s loaded. This was not a prop gun, it was a real gun. Second, never point it and fire it with people in your backstop, last regardless of what ever the situation is, once a gun is handed to you, you are responsible for every shot, regardless if it’s an accidental discharge or intentional. Period. He’s the one to hold accountable.,. It’s his movie set.
Bet he is thinking about it....day and night
@@ElieSanhDucos0 true...the Baldwins are a Mayflower family who knew guns...the fact he could have checked it...will haunt him the rest of his life
@@TrayDyer38 he did know about gun safety. His family use to hunt.
One detail you left out is that Baldwin pulled the trigger, causing the firearm to discharge. The firearm doesn't discharge on it's own. Baldwin was definitely the final fault. He was the last to handle it and as you stated, any gun handler is responsible for clearing that weapon and know to never point it at anything you aren't willing to destroy. This tragedy could have been avoided with those simple actions by Baldwin. My heart goes out to Baldwin, the victims and their families. Very sad incident.
Gun safety basics: always assume a gun is live unless you check otherwise. Don’t aim a gun at anything you don’t want to destroy.
I feel bad for everyone involved :(
My mother always said "Never point a gun at a person, even a toy gun" Gun safety 101 never point a gun at a person unless you are willing to fire it. Gun owners who have gone through training have respect for the power of the gun.
well im not too sure how theyre going to film certain scenes without point a gun at somebody lol
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@@Junemclovin I agree, but why was the gun even pointed at a crew member, even if it had only been for a few seconds? (That's obviously all it takes).
@@Junemclovin You’re missing the point
@@Junemclovin ignorant much?
Thank you for an unbiased report Todd. Im a Key Grip with 28 years experience in the film industry here in Cape Town South Africa. I am also very involved in Stunts and SFX. I love firearms, but I've never envied the armourers... Theirs is a singularly large responsibility, and are often regarded as "anal" about their task, and not with out good reason.
IF it is confirmed that the AD handed Alec the weapon, that's already wrong: Here, that is SOLELY the armourers responsibility, and the armourers I know would have an apoplexy if ANYONE other than those ABSOLUTELY necessary, handled their weapons. Secondly, if the AD HAD handed him the weapon AND called it "cold", HE should have taken on the responsibility and CHECKED it himself and not just relied on the armourer's word. So that's where the AD has culpability. How a projectile ended up in the weapon to start with and then remained undetected...? That lies squarely with the armourer, and he/she should have been the one handing over the weapon. What we gonna end up with is an Armourer who swears that the weapon WAS in fact cold when they released it to set. That will be interesting. The moral of the story is this; DONT TOUCH THE ARMOURERS WEAPONS! It's THEIR JOB, let THEM DO IT! The End.
The more people in the chain between the Armourers vault and the talent's hand, the more chance there is of these occurrences. Here's another thing... Why wasnt a dummy being used for rehearsal? Rolling on rehearsal, in case you get something?
It sounds as if they were used too casually for other things like sport shooting. Why couldnt crew bring their personal weapons for free time. It is legal there
Budget movie cut too many corners. Brandon lee like to do his own stunts. And it was this that is in part to blame. Nowadays with special effects this is totally unnecessary.
I made the same point. The gun should have been passed to AB only from the armourer and that's the mistake all 3 involved in the chain made so all 3 are culpable. What I don't get though is why the armourer picked up the dispensed cartridge? Surely this is a crime scene.
@@arahant69 It takes a certain type to be an armourer. They're often not everyone's favourite person either, but you KNOW you're safe. I have spent many years around SFX and pyro, but I have the hugest respect for our armourers. I wouldn't want their job.
From what I've read and heard, Alec Baldwin, the AD, and the armorer most certainly bear responsibility and are criminally liable. This was not an actual scene, but a rehearsal, a real gun should NOT have been used until it was time to film the scene. He should never have pointed a real gun at people, let alone point a real gun and pull the trigger. The AD did not show Baldwin the gun was empty nor did Baldwin demand that he do so nor did Baldwin check it himself. Instead, he simply took the word of the AD. We don't give a pass to drunk drivers who didn't intend to kill people. We don't give a pass to reckless drivers who run over and kill school children getting on or off a school bus, why should this be any different? He appears to be negligent in the hiring of people in addition to his handling of firearms. All of this for some crappy low budget western that very few people were going to watch.
I see the problem with low budget westerns! Gun Culture on set and insufficient gun safety.
Why are real guns still allowed on film sets? This seems like a no brainer to me. Surely there is a way to achieve a realistic gunfire without a real gun.
Great question Todd!
ABSOLUTELY!!!
Real guns generally modified to either not shoot anything or to shoot "blanks" which still can hit with shrapnel (Brandon Lee died of one). They are saying a real bullet was loaded in this gun. We'll see what's true.
@@thejudgmentalcat Lee didn’t die from a blank. He got hit with a dummy round that was stuck in the barrel unbeknownst to the crew because they forgot to remove the primer from the rounds. Blanks were then put into the gun and when fired, it sent the round that was in the barrel flying as if it were a real bullet, and Struck Brandon.
@@thejudgmentalcat My guess is the same thing happened in the Alec Baldwin situation. They probably used Dummy rounds for close up shots to make the bullets look more realistic. Then when the shooting is filmed they switch to blanks.
*EDIT* : Dr. Grande brought up my exact point as I was typing this Lmao, guess you can ignore this.
I was an armeror on a movie set at one time in my career. There should never, EVER be an actual live round of any kind on a movie set. When they need to see the whole ammunition being loaded or even in a gun, it’s high-end metal fakes or wooden. It is up to the armor or person to check the gun three times and check the gun three more times with the actor and then conduct the scene. The prop gun is to be taken away each time in between takes by the armor and then checked three more times each way. This is a typical case of inexperienced probably poorly paid or unpaid interns being expected to handle weapons on a poorly run independent set. I’ve seen it a dozen times with actors waving guns around like idiots with no one paying attention.
You bring up a good point: How insane is it that there were real bullets on the set? WHY were there real bullets on the set? I can't even fathom how colossally stupid and careless this is.
@@w.harrison7277 The live cartridges were there because of off-the-clock target shooting by members of the crew. Again, this is an Assistant Director and Armorer failure. Either or both of these individuals could be charged with negligence. When guns are not being used on the set they are supposed to be under lock and key.
Among the multiple ironies connected to the production, the AD was previously fired from another set for a gun infraction in which a sound man was injured. The very plot of Rust is about a kid who accidentally kills a rancher and goes on the run. And Baldwin himself, according to the New York Times, bragged about his acting chops, including horsemanship, juggling, French language, and--wait for it--GUNPLAY! If he knows as little about guns as was just shown, I have to believe he only rode carousel horses on a merry-go-round, juggled one ball and botched French 101 grammar. C'est dommage.
Baldwin has nothing to do with it. Those old black powder weapons are prepared a certain way so it shoot flames, the gun was announced as cold to him : not his fault.. when you re an actor this is littérarry not your job. HOW Can one Ask Baldwin to be more competent than the hired armorer lol. It has nothing to do with his gun abilities
@@ElieSanhDucos0 Where did you get the information that it was a black powder weapon? My understanding is that the film is set in the 1880s, so smokeless powder in metal cartridges would be appropriate to the period.
Why do you think there was so much live ammunition on the set. Was it necessary
You are never supposed to aim a gun with a person in the line of fire EVEN when using blanks.
even, in acting, you dont point the gun at anybody. the camera just makes it look so
"I hope that everybody takes the necessary steps to protect their mental health as they begin the long road to recovery." Those are the best words you said, Todd-
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Except Alec Baldwin's mental health has been shot for decades. Did you ever listen to that recording of him screaming and berating his daughter on the phone, who I believe was 14 years old at the time. He's always been a loose cannon and an alcoholic. Terrible, terrible combination.
@@thecatatemyhomework him and his daughter have not anything to do here.
I am from the U.K. and real guns are almost never used on film sets, it is very rare to use a real gun …there is no need to use real guns .
TOTALLY agree. There is absolutely NO reason to use real guns on a film set.
I’m super pro-2nd amendment, but I find myself agreeing with you. There is absolutely no reason to point a real firearm at someone. That’s the first rule of gun safety. Never point your gun at something you don’t intend to shoot (in the case of where I am this is typically a deer.) Treat every firearm as if it is loaded with live ammunition. POV shots should never been done with a real gun. I don’t care if they want to see the barrel for a scene. You can use a fake gun or CGI it in. Guns are not toys and should never be treated as such. I come from a very pro-gun family and that is something that has been hammered into my brain since I was a toddler. My siblings and I, and now my kids and niece and nephews, were taught that we couldn’t even pretend to shoot each other. We didn’t even frequently have nerf wars. My feeling has always been it’s ok to not like guns. However, EVERYONE should know basic gun safety. Even if you never touch a gun, it’s still important to know.
That’s because Hollywood is dumb. Hollywood figures want to take away people’s guns but then are reckless and unsafe when it comes to their “elite exception”. Real gun owners are all about gun safety, always treating a gun as if it’s loaded, never pointing it at someone, and checking it yourself to make sure it’s unloaded.
When I first heard what happened, I was totally confused, because my thought was - how can you kill with a fake gun? Hearing, that anyone would use real guns to make a movie… I am stunned. Is there not enough trauma in the world even without real guns on movie sets? Why??…
I was surprised that they use real guns.
I find it incongruent that any actor who screams about gun control should handle guns or glorify violence in a movie.
I’ve asked that question for years. Still waiting for an answer
Baldwin is a moron and I hope the years of constant bashing responsible gun owners makes him wish he had taken a firearm safety course.
@@awnutz it's called acting. You have your answer.
You’re absolutely right when you say, if someone is handling a fire arm they need to understand how it functions. Actors have to get training for all sorts of things that are character related.. if an actor is for example portraying a horse rider they need to learn how to ride a horse and how to behave around horses so the set is a safe environment. Same goes for firearms.. and everything else.
What happened to Brandon was a legit accident, done while filming, and created a system of protocols designed to prevent such an accident from happening again. Those protocols were ignored on the set of Rust. One protocol is to never have ANY actual live ammunition on set, and the investigation found over a hundreds of rounds. They were using the props for target practice, putting actual live rounds in them. The arms master should have dry fired the gun before handing it to Baldwin, who was supposed to check it and dry fire it as well. Yes, you never trust that a gun is empty, just like you never point it at someone or put your finger on the trigger unless you are willing to kill them.
But behind that, IT WAS A REHEARSAL. There is NO REASON to fire a gun in a rehearsal!
The fact that the crew has walked off because of a lack of adherence to the safety protocols says a lot, and the responsibility for that rests with the producer.
And that person is Alec Baldwin.
After the experience with Brandon Lee....you would think something this horrific would be unheard of. Also, thinking that the crew walking off the set would signal a little extra precaution. 🤔 pathetic 😒. Three to blame!
The AP published an interesting article that speaks to how OSHA vastly underestimates and underreports these on-set accidents/deaths, and that there is a level of cover-up by studios to hide the extent to which set conditions are unsafe.
Let me tell you something, I have had many interactions with OSHA and I can say for certain that is bullshit.
Link please?
I'm inclined to agree but I'd still like to read the article. I can believe there may be things that are under reported but I find it very hard to believe there have been shooting deaths that have not been made public.
How would anyone be able to report on something that is under reported? That’s the problem with waste, fraud, and abuse. There are no reports so there’s no actual data. Clever.
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Workplace safety is always essential, especially when dealing with dangerous objects such as firearms. Double checking is not wasting time, it is an extremely important pratice than can prevent incidents like this. And the people who work directly with the source of risk, the gun in this case, should always have the proper training.
Very true! However, most people against guns have never used one!
Pppppppppppppppppp and its 0pppppppppppp
But we gotta cut corners to save money bro cmon now who cares about safety 😒
Double-checking shows a whole right attitude at the root of a correct action. A good example is checking your blind spots when you're driving. There's a law of the universe I swear by - I call it "the hole in the bucket." It means the one thing you don't respect and take care of is the very thing that's gonna get you. But Baldwin's Rust bucket had so many holes it was watering the plants as he went.
@@carmenbenitez141 Jose’s comment has nothing to do with those who are “against guns”.
I agree with you . I think if you are firing a gun, you need to check it throughly. It does not matter if it is a 'prop' gun or not. Baldwin is a seasoned actor and should NEVER have aimed a weapon at anything without checking it first. To say it was someone else's responsibility, it just B. S. Actors do all kinds of things to get ready for parts in a movie. If your 'part' requires using a weapon- then you should learn that weapon--period!!!
Hi Dr Grande. I’m a motion picture grip and also an MFT student. This situation has been devastating for our industry and this safety breakdown is indicative of the long hours on set. My personal thought is this accident is the result of long unsustainable hours and the corners cut by production to get the day. Look to sleep deprivation and cognitive breakdowns after repeated “short turnarounds” between 12-16 days on low budget productions. That’s where terrible accidents occur.
Good thinking! So movies need to be shot during normal business hours, with paid vacations, like any other job. Cool!
As sensational as this whole thing sounds a lot of people do not realize how many accidents and deaths happen during movie and television sets. On the Crow set a crew member also died by electrocution and stunt accidents happen with way too much frequency so these types of incidents are not uncommon. In this case it seems like a lack of gun training overall is at fault and you see why other actors do independent arms training if they do a lot of work with firearms in movies.
Gun safety training will likely not be the demand made as a result of this. 🙄
Dont know why would he put 'comparison with Brandon Lee" in his title and in his explanation. That's not an excuse, and also one incident is too many to take as a precaution.
My gut feeling says, that was deliberate. You cant have the gun in your hand and have pulled the trigger (just like that). For what reason he did it, we dont know. Was he having an affair with her, a personal quarel, has he been asked to do it and feigned an accident. Very suspicious. Her husband, instead of speaking about a lost, in the media he is talking about Alec, and about how 'supportive' he has been. You cannot trust people wirh money minded, lack of emotion these days. I am sure she had a life insurance. Alec should, regardless of it being an accident or deliberate or he being just dumb, he should go to jail. You cant have double standards for ordinary and celebrity
@@robinorhysrhys1562 Mentioning Brandon Lee provided the opportunity to explain how prop guns work, the different kinds of cartridges and charges that can be loaded into them, and what can go wrong while using them. Prop guns are never not dangerous.
Alex Baldwin hates guns so it makes sense he doesn’t know how to use 1
@@laceystinson Thank you for this comment. I so agree. Comparing this recent tragedy with the same thing that happened in the past shows history will repeat itself if nothing is done to avoid.
The most dangerous weapon is an "unloaded weapon".
well said.
Here, let me fix that........The most dangerous weapon is a gun that's ASSUMED to be unloaded.
I read the crew used that gun for target practice during their breaks to shoot empty cans, so there is a bit of negligence here. They must all have known it was a real gun or at the very least it may contain a real bullet.
That is gross negligence on the armorer
The first rule I was taught about guns when I was a kid is that, "every gun is always loaded; it doesn't matter if you checked 5 minutes ago and went to the bathroom, if it's left your site it's still loaded until you check again." I am by no means a gun enthusiast, but it always shocks me how many gun enthusiasts are lax with this concept.
He’s anti-gun!
By the above statement, a kid would know better.
100% lack of professionalism.
100% complacent.
100% trigger-mans responsibility.
In listening to another armorer speak to his job. He said that all guns were locked up by him and no one else could get to them. That makes sense. These guns sound like they were all over the place.
First rule of firearm safety - Never point a weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
It is a movie Set. Actors do not check the electricity, the cables, the construction of a Set. There are procedures, protocols.
Surgeons don't scrub and sterilize the instruments. People are trained and licensed, accredited for specific work.
No, an actor should not be opening the Gun but the person who is responsible for that needs a professional LICENSE. Time for New Rules in the Industry ! NOW
@@wildhorses6817 Wrong. You are making a false equivalent. No, actors do not check cables, etc. But cables, etc cannot kill another person unless there is a freak accident. Firearm safety is something that is applied in any situation where anyone handles a gun. The first rule of firearm safety is clear the damned gun yourself EVEN if you watched the person holding it before you clear it.
And what kind of "professional license?"
That's stupid. This happened because of negligence, period. It is not the gun's fault. Do yourself a favor and take 1 gun safety class so you are not opining from a point of ignorance.
Exactly! And clear the gun yourself EVEN if you watched someone clear it before handing it to you.
Why would there even be live rounds on set?
You can get inert dummy rounds for close ups.
Yes some are bright colors. Paint them.
Because the disgruntled union guys who walked off the set sabotaged it.
I wonder if it’s because it was a low budget movie and many ppl don’t have a basic understanding of how firearms operate? They could have paid any FI a few hundred dollars and avoided the entire tragedy.
Because it was a planned ritual... a Jesuit 201 ritual.
@@MrSmith-on1qz Sadly this isn't even the dumbest thing I've heard about a low budget movie crew doing. Check out what happened during the filming of Midnight Rider when they decided to shoot footage on a railway bridge after being denied permission by the railroad, leading to a camera operator being killed by a train.
@@Streamlined955 the prop guy checked the guy before handing it over....stating , 'cold gun'......so no
In a Colt from that era (or a reproduction), the rounds are visible no matter what angle the firearm is viewed from. Whether the cartridges use brass or nickled casings, one can usually see a small bit of them in the gap between the frame and back of the cylinder. As well, a loaded gun is noticeably heavier than an empty ("cold") gun.
When I was young I spent 3 hrs in the US Army. We were all issued an M-16 for training purposes. We were ALWAYS, ALWAYS taught to treat the weapon as if it were loaded. Long before we went to the range to actually live fire, most of are training was done on the armoire concrete to break down the weapon, check for bullets, clean and oil and return to the armorer. When it was finally time to fire at the range, I could feel the tension of the range supervisor's and our 2 drill Sargeants. Woe be to the recruit who did not hold the weapon in a safe position! This taught me to always check a firearm - no matter who said it was safe and unloaded.
This is a sad story but so preventable.
Holy..they waste no time handing out the ordnance! 3hrs! no wonder the range
super and yes, drill sergeants were nervous..
Seriously,such a tragedy and negligence, top to bottom,side to side.
target practice on set w live rounds,inexperienced armourer,long hours,crew walking off due to safety concerns,pointing REAL guns at people,and pulling the trigger or realeasing the hammer,no one checking the gun to see if loaded...
what the fuck fuck FUCK!!!!!
Your analysis of what is known so far about this tragedy was very interesting, Dr. Grande. You broke down how a firearm functions for better understanding, and I think that's amazing! After the death of Brandon Lee, I didn't think it was possible for this sort of thing to happen, but sadly, preventable, tragic accidents can happen at any time. Thank you, Dr. Grande.
Dont know why would he put 'comparison with Brandon Lee" in his title and in his explanation. That's not an excuse, and also one incident is too many to take as a precaution.
My gut feeling says, that was deliberate. You cant have the gun in your hand and have pulled the trigger (just like that). For what reason he did it, we dont know. Was he having an affair with her, a personal quarel, has he been asked to do it and feigned an accident. Very suspicious. Her husband, instead of speaking about a lost, in the media he is talking about Alec, and about how 'supportive' he has been. You cannot trust people wirh money minded, lack of emotion these days. I am sure she had a life insurance. Alec should, regardless of it being an accident or deliberate or he being just dumb, he should go to jail. You cant have double standards for ordinary and celebrity
@@robinorhysrhys1562 libel much ?
robin o rhys rhys .. yes the probably obvious case of it being an accident due to neglect and saving on the safety.. is boring!?
Let's make up conspiracy theories.. the world really lacks more 🙄
It Gives Me A Whole New Respect For Tom Cruise, And His Demands On Set. 👍
Still remember that Crow accident, so damn sad, he could have become
such a big actor just like Heath L but fate had something else for em :(
AND THE DAY THEY BURIED BRANDON 4/3... IS ALECS BIRTHDAY.. NOTHING TO SEE HERE....
It was horribly sad 😔
@@DiaryofaGrimReaper 😯😯😯
IT'S A HOAX, IT''S ALL FRAUD. EVERYTHING CONNECTS TO BRANDON LEE AND HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER AND TYPE O NEGATIVE. WATCH. IT IS UNDENIABLE.
@@DiaryofaGrimReaper come on dude, this is not the place for conspiracies. Two people lost their lives tragically, not everything is a scheme.
BEST LINE- "I find it incongruent that Alec Baldwin trusted the armorer to provide an unloaded weapon, yet as an anti-gun activist he has expressed distrust of law-abiding citizens who want to own and carry firearms. I guess Baldwin is saying an inexperienced 24 year old armorer can safely operate weapons, but American citizens can't."
Thank you
Illogical statement & leaning toward gleeful callousness.
@@smartphoto59 To me, Dr Grande's statement was perfectly logical and only pointed out a long-standing contradiction in stated principles by Alec Baldwin. Maybe if Baldwin (and other gun-control advocates) had wisely focused on irresponsible gun ownership instead of gun ownership per se all these years, he wouldn't be living a contradiction and he would have been much smarter with who he hired as armorer. Just think of how many responsible gun owners in America have seen the gun-toting badass-wannabe photos of that girl and seriously disapproved, knowing gun ownership isn't a chance to act in your own private movie, it's another opportunity to feel safer in this world while mastering risks, not ignoring or inviting risks like so many of Baldwin's film crew did, and to some degree Baldwin himself.
I feel so bad for Ms. Halyna's friends and family for their loss. She was someone valuable to those who lost their loved one. Basic weapons safety in the military teaches us not to aim at any target unless planning to destroy it; not that she was a target by any means but you treat all weapons as though loaded. This whole incident is beyond sad.
Imagine what war veterans go through. My mother told me my father was never the same after serving as a paratrooper in Germany during WWII. He was a kind sensitive man with a tough outer shell and I am sure it affected him. No more damn wars.
@@crochunter35 Agree.
One of my Uncles went to Vietnam. He would drink every single day to calm his anxiety and shame afterwards. He was a wonderful man none the less.
My father served in the Spanish Civil War and witnessed many deaths and atrocities, including marching into one village to find that the Republicans (the so-called democrats) had crucified the local priest in the square, and cut his entrails out. My father appeared to suffer no ill effects from his experiences, but he didn't like to talk about the war. I have his service certificate hanging on the wall here, signed by General O'Duffy, commander of the Irish Brigade, and by Generalissimo Franco. Spain would be an international pariah today had the communist and anarchist Republicans won; those depicted as fighting for "democracy" were responsible for the slaughter of over 5.000 priests and nuns. The first things these Republicans did after the election were to suspend the Spanish constitution and declare that there would be no further elections in Spain, thereby initiating the war. Asswipes such as Hemingway portray these monsters as heroes.
@@melvynobrien6193 No More Damn Wars.
@@melvynobrien6193 he was in the Irish brigade goddamn, a blueshirt? Awesome. These guys dont get talked about at all. Ton of respect!
I like Baldwin as an actor, but not as a person. Never the less, I would never wish this on anyone. I can't even imagine the guilt he will feel for the rest of his life.
I agree 100%.
True, but he's already an anti gun fanatic. I can only imagine how nuts he's gonna be now. Btw, I can't stand the guy as an actor or person.
Are narcissists capable of guilt? I think involuntary manslaughter is what he is trying to avoid. Then again, all of these things are my cynical opinions. I am not diagnosing anyone, just giving my opinion on what may be happening in a situation like this.
@@tchrisou812 Its more likely that he would be sued by the family of the lady killed, along with everyone else dealing with the production, rather than having to worry about involuntary manslaughter, as this kind of thing happened before and the actor was never charged (like in the movie The Crow that Dr. Grande talked about). No, if Baldwin is a true narcissist he would not feel guilt. And while he is certainly an entitled a-hole, I don't know if he falls under all the criteria for the diagnosis in the DSM-V. He might. Or he could be a psychopath, or something like that. Or not at all.
@@tchrisou812 You're suggesting that he doesn't, and can't, feel guilty about inadvertently killing someone, because you don't like him and think he's a narcissist? How pathetic. Have you learned nothing from Dr Grande's videos?
Baldwin was an executive producer on the movie and he knew about the safety concerns. When the union crew walked off the set he chose to replace them with nonunion workers so the production would not go over budget. He is criminally negligent at the very least.
Yesss
Growing up, my siblings and I were taught that you never point any kind of gun at a person. Toy gun, cap gun, stick-gun…we were taught never to point even pretend guns at people or animals. In fact the phrase was “Don’t point even a pretend gun at anyone or anything unless you want to kill them”
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You’re right, no matter who says comforting or excusing words, the actor will always have this in his history and it will haunt him forever. So so sad for everyone concerned and senseless.
It was completely avoidable and totally his fault. Basic weapon safety ALWAYS check it the moment you pick it up before doing anything else.
@@Pauly421 He's an actor, not a gunslinger. It's not that simple bud.
@@Pauly421 -What you describe is the responsibility of the armorer not the actor. Also most Armorers would frown upon actors doing their own checks as actors are not experts and it would result in them having to recheck the gun again.
@@Pauly421 it's ridiculous that you all can't wait to blame him. Had it been someone else other than Alec, you would be singing a different tune and laying the blame where it should be; with the professionals responsible for ensuring the safety of the weapons.
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We only hold him to the standard he demands of others. I know, you know, the whole world knows that had this involved a 'rightwinger' or 'Trump supporter', he would be gloating about how they deserved it and or that the punishment should be getting shot to death by the film crew. Who this happened to is every bit as relevant as how it happened.
I think it being a low budget film, long working hours, the crew walking off the set made having to shoot scenes extremely stressful. Having a timeline to finish the film I’m sure checking the gun was not the highest priority. Baldwin being a producer of the film needs to take some responsibility for the negligence. It was a horrible tragedy that could have been avoided. I hope Baldwin has a good therapist.
I’m sure he has more than one attorney to defend him when he’s criminally charged - as he should be along with several others in his employ as Producer.
@@valleygirl2530 John Landis operated an unsafe set and killed three people including two non-union child actors with a helicopter and got away with it, so don't expect any charges to stick for an accidental shooting.
@@Hudson316 Forgot about the tragedy. True your right.
Why have a live gun on set??!?? How?!!??
@@Gmez-me8qd A live gun includes firearms loaded with blanks, dummy rounds, or standard cartridges (bullet included).
A cold gun is a firearm that is unloaded.
Everything about this story is heart breaking
I was always taught an unloaded gun will get you killed, but guns are never meant to be played with or pointed at someone, unless you are going to shoot them. I was raised around guns, taught the importance of them and how to use one properly. A situation like Brandon Lee and the latest incident with Alec Baldwin goes to show, live rounds shouldn't be anywhere near a movie set, so sad and so unnecessary.
Thank you for making the video, I was hoping you'd make one about this terrible tragedy. I appreciate your calm, objective yet compassionate approach. I hope this case ultimately leads to safer movie sets.
That would be the best outcome, and about time, too!
If anything it will help the government take them
@@wayne5553 "The government" is not going to take your guns. You are suffering from deep-seated, paranoid fear based on issues having nothing to do with guns. Seek counseling.
So, I think NOW is the time to start thinking about what real guns are doing on a movie set. There are enough good film effects that can be used to fake authenticity. Alec Baldwin can only be sorry. He can now pay for the shit because others have not done their job correctly and now a dear person has to die. It couldn't be more traumatizing! So sad. 😵💫
I have "fired" a gun on stage, easily over 100 times. A weapons expert hands the weapon to actors (or sword or knife) each day at rehearsal. During shows, there is a designated prop person responsible for actual weapons. That being said, I was never given a "prop" gun without checking it (only if it was an actual gun capable of firing. If it was a dummyy gun, then obviously not). Like the good doctor said, it only takes a few seconds to not end up with a Brandon Lee situation. I always thought of him each time I had to fire it at someone.
Moral of the story is, I checked guns prior to going on stage every time, I'm not a weapons expert, I'm an actor and musician, and I've never injured anyone.
Should have learned from others mistakes, Alec.
Wasn't a prop gun it was obviously real.
The difference between a smart guy and a dumb one. You are the smart guy, cautious and clever. I wish you the best
Can Alec Baldwin learn? His narcissism has almost ruined his career a few times. People are just cardboard cutouts to this guy, he even called his own 12 year old daughter a "thoughtless pig" to her face. That's sociopathic.
@@w.harrison7277 very true. Alec is a shell of a human being. All the Brothers are truly lost. He is quite possibly the worst of them all.
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Why can’t they just use CGI for guns now? With computer power and sound engineering magic, the audience would never know the difference and this type of tragedy would be completely avoided.
Great idea! Some movies are shot mostly or entirely in CGI.
Seems so easy to prevent though with just competent Armorer or whoever is in charge
Baldwin was not just an actor in Rust, but the producer of the film, therefore he is responsible for what goes on during the entire production. The real trauma may occur when the wrongful death suit names him as the primary person responsible for the Photography Director's death. The fact that union members walked off the set prior to the incident because of the sloppy handling of weapons, and that Baldwin chose to go on filming without them, could pose a major culpability problem for him.
This whole time I thought he was actor in the movie. Baldwin and whoever handed him the weapon need to be charged
There will be no culpability. There will be no investigation. There will be no charges 🙄 That's not how anything works lol! On what planet are Hollywood darlings held to the same standards as the peasantry? 😂 Hilarious
@@joliepop1661 he might not get criminally charged but he is definitely getting sued .
There were multiple producers and executive producers on the movie so it was not his decision alone. It would be interesting to get some inside info from some of the crew who walked off the set but I guess they are not allowed to discuss this until the investigation is over. I think the person who had the last word on decisions (assuming there was one person) will be the person to take the fall. I don't understand why they would hire a young inexperienced girl to be prop-master, especially since she clearly didn't think she was ready for the job. Ultimately, It was her responsibility to decline the job if she felt she did not have enough experience or at the very least, while she was doing the job, to check her work to make sure it was accurate.
“AB” acted irresponsible.. why did the unionized employees walk off the set? They will be no accountability.. “AB” is a “bully”
We now know a live round was left in the gun after crew had been using the gun to shoot cans earlier that day. The negligent violations of basic gun safety were off the charts.
You missed an important point- Both the armorer AND the actor should have checked the barrel to make sure the barrel was clear. This is particularly important if a blank is going to be fired because the charge in the blank cartridge can propel the barrel obstructing object with enough force to injure or kill someone.
The amount of trauma from this and how much it’s affecting everyone involved in this tragedy is just heartbreaking 💔
I wonder if those who walked away 6 hours before, feel guilty or relieved
I'm not affected.
Alec Baldwin is so affected he’s sending condolences through twitter?
@@reck1224 he relayed in the tweet that he is offering his support (condolences) to the family directly.
@Beaverish Buck Teeth Because if he didn't make a statement people would be complaining that he didn't make a statement, duh.
Baldwin was also a producer. It’s like how a captain would feel if he fails to bring home all his passengers safely. I really hate that he seems to want to blame others already, because that makes him like that captain that wrecked the ship then made sure he got off while passengers were still fighting for their lives.
You're right. As an executive producer, Baldwin has some responsibility as to who gets hired on the movie set. He may have hired the young inexperienced armorer because she was female, or because the movie was low budget, he didn't have to pay her top dollar.
Apparently (according to some document the Associated Press got), there were 6 producers, 4 executive producers, a line producer, and a co-producer for this film. So it's unclear what responsibilities Alec Baldwin actually had, in terms of production. Maybe he had a personal role in hiring staff and supervising production, or maybe he just helped secure funding. I don't think you can assign blame or make assumptions without knowing who actually was responsible for what. Hopefully this information will come out in the police investigation or the lawsuits.
Gitn2it Alec Baldwin had an Executive producer role which means he is essentially the money man. It is probably a contractual title given that his name would have got the production green lit. It is likely he had no other responsibilities. An executive producer is not responsible for the day to day running of the set- that is the job of the producer.
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@@Gitn2it Yup, and she is going to cost him millions by her lack of professionalism and not fulfilling her responsibilities correctly.
brandon lees death was so tragic, and the crow is genuinely one of my favorite movies:(
Just to clarify a little about some terminology: Misfire is when a weapon is supposed to shoot, but fails to do so. What happened in this case was an accidental discharge.
Negligent discharge.
NOPE...THE GUN WAS INTENTIONALLY FIRED...
THE TERM SHOULD BE "NEGLIGENT MANSLAUGHTER"...PERIOD.
Thank you for correctly representing safe firearm handling in your analysis. It is a sad irony that someone experienced and trained in firearm handling would never assume that a gun was unloaded or take someone elses word for it.
Best summary yet Dr. Grande. I work with a super-low budget crew and we don't use "loaded" guns period. The only way I'd allow them on set is if we use CGI. It misses the recoil (unless the actor can summon it) but ultimately it's the only way to be safe.
@@KyleEstes108 I guess the big guys could - at the level I work at (when we *can* work) that's just not possible. The recoil action needs a fairly hefty weight to move at speed and that requires an electric motor or solenoid so a specially designed gun. We can only use replicas and then only with special permission (blah, blah). But I agree, you have an excellent point.
No it's not. Gun safety is pretty simple. These incidents happen around liberals who have no idea what they're doing.
@@budlightninja4167 So the trained armourer was a liberal? You sir, need to give your head a shake. She was inexperienced and the safety measures which have been tightened since the Lee incident, were bypassed or ignored. Politics have fuck all to do with it. More people are killed with guns every day than are ever hurt on sets despite the use of live ammo and blanks. "Liberals...." good lord you people are ignorant beyond comprehension.
It depends. With modern settings airsofts are good but with a period western it’s harder to use something like that. But the armorer and first AD totally failed their jobs.
Aaron Coleman Interesting that you turn a horrible accident into political point-scoring....🤔
RIP Brandon Lee...awesome investigation. Thank you.
RIP Halyna
According to the latest news, we know one more thing that happened on the "Rust" set. That morning the same gun was used by several people to shoot at targets. That means that live ammo for the gun was available on the set. That should not have happened; live ammo should never be available for a "prop" gun on a movie set. Secondly, I wonder if one live round was still in the gun following the target shooting? But, if that was the case, why didn't the armorer notice that only 5 blanks were required to fully load the gun, not 6? On the other hand, perhaps the same thing happened as did happen in the Brandon Lee incident . . . that a bullet was stuck inside the barrel because of a defective cartridge during the earlier target shooting. In that case, when the armorer ejected all 6 empty casings, preparatory to loading 6 blanks, nothing amiss would be noticed; only inspection of the bore of the barrel would reveal the stuck bullet.
Now, I said earlier that live ammo should never be on a movie set. That's just my opinion. Having live ammo around raises the stakes astronomically because mistakes can always happen.
I just heard that in Finland they add gunshots in post and if they use an actual gun, they have someone from the military or something similar, highly trained professional handling the empty gun. So.... These incidents do not have to happen!!!!
It's not that hard to do: #1 clear the gun yourself when it is handed to you. #2 never put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to fire the gun. #3 never point the gun -yes even empty- at anyone.
This was a rehearsal. He was using a revolver which requires the hammer to be cooked by the person holding the gun. Why did he do that for a rehearsal?
Alec Baldwin is stupid and ignorant and in this case negligent both as the person shooting the gun and as the producer.
Nobody gives a shit what Finland does🤷♂️
@@renegademermaid1806 you says it's not hard, and yet people keep fucking it up. Whether it's hard or not seems to be irrelevant, whether people are actually capable seems to be highly questionable.
It seems that the technology is off. The film companies use real guns because they are too lazy and cheap to work out an alternative. It would be easy to design a prop gun that would serve the purpose and be a completely fake gun. As far as having a real gun on the set, the barrel could be filled with metal and sealed off to make the gun inert. Brandon Lee and the camera lady didn't need to be around real guns with real bullets.
We need to do that here!
He is 100% Responsible for what happened. It's HIS movie, HIS Production thus he's responsible.
And should be held accountable in a court of law!
He's responsible (Baldwin). He accepted a firearm before he personally verified that it was safe. And he pulled the trigger.
We should stay focused on the facts here. Too much conjecture and obfuscation occurs today, seemingly in an effort to coddle this hostile menace of an "entertainer." Baldwin had the gun in his possession. He aimed that gun at the cinematographer and pulled the trigger. He is a murderer. He may or may not have known that his gun was loaded. Perhaps he knew, or maybe he was simply oblivious and negligent. Either way, he is responsible and is a murderer. If he were a toddler, he might be excused while others around him share in the responsibility. He is not a toddler. Baldwin is a murderer.
A misfire is when a firearm fails to fire. These should be called either Accidental Discharges or Negligent Discharges.
This is why everyone needs to learn gun safety. Always act as though it is live
Sure. And in this way, there should never be firearms on a filming set, filming. Never. There is no need for it.
@@yeager6882 I would take a fake gun on set of a movie for safety :)
@@yeager6882 There should be no cars on a set too as more die on sets from cars than guns
Pawn stars, rick is alway putting gun safety first even 200 year old firearms, as number one when handling firearms,coming into his shop.
@@alanhughes1262 I totally agree
This happened a few miles from my house... I can't imagine the trauma for Alec Baldwin. I know there are reports of him being a spoiled actor, but anyone with human emotions is going to find this a near impossible thing to reconcile.
I think his reactions shows his empathy and compassion. He clearly values human life if he’s as devastated as he is. People just want him to suffer because of his political beliefs and it’s disgusting.
@@taliaeve969 I mean, he would have to have no compassion not to have a reaction, right? It's a horrific accident, and although we from the outside can see it wasn't his fault, he will probably always feel guilt. I would too, even though logically he's not at fault really. Yes, he could have checked the gun, but I can absolutely see why he didn't. We all let things go that we should do for safety, and most of the time we get lucky. He probably trusted the person arming it to take care of their aspect, and he would take care of his aspect: acting.
People have no compassion if they can't understand his pain in this moment, regardless of his beliefs. That's terrible. I hope I'm not going out on a limb because I don't know his beliefs and it's a rabbit hole I just don't have energy to dive in right now. I was specifically thinking of one report where I *think* he was allegedly acting like a diva on an airplane (take that as second- hand info, obviously). That's not nearly enough for someone to deserve this kind of thing, or not deserve understanding. Also, as Dr. Grande always says, it's hard to know what's really going on in his mind when we don't even know him. We're just speculating on the reports we have.
@@taliaeve969 exactly, his political beliefs should play no part in this. I'm actually surprised Dr Grande made the statement about him being against guns.... what does that have to do with what happened on the set of a movie?? The gun he was using was supposed to be cold and was presented to him as being harmless.
Alec Baldwin is a mean entitled elitist who never shows compassion.
@@YA-qj8fx well he showing compassion now and that's all that matters really
Let me encapsulate the whole thing : A cascade of one failure, after another on the set, of proper firearm safety. People on a low budget film, cutting corners, but not just on firearm safety protocols, but on other aspects of film production set.
As far as what happened with Brandon Lee: checking the gun, it was loaded with blanks so just swinging the cylinder open you would have seen it loaded with brass & primers, you would have had to also take the time to look down the barrel to see the obstruction of that bullet in the barrel which wouldn't normally have been done.
"cold gun" as in this recent mishap indicates it shouldn't have had anything in it, whatsoever so yes had Alec Baldwin swung the cylinder open for himself he would have seen it was loaded, not unloaded.
I know nothing about film making(and even less about guns), but you’d think that after 100+ years since the film industry emerged, they would have come up with some type of 100% fail safe gun prop by now. Definitely a sad situation.
These types of prop guns do exist. They're called "non-guns" and use electronic muzzle flashes to simulate rounds being fired. The guns look real, but the muzzle flashes aren't as realistic as using blanks so most directors prefer using blanks unstead.
You're an example of a person who really shouldn't have an opinion about stories like this. There are some very simple rules that would have avoided this negligent homicide: assume every gun is real, assume every gun is loaded, if you set a gun down and pick it up again, assume it is loaded. There are crew members who are culpable for this, and charges should be brought against them, but Alec was ultimately just as responsible.
Yeah! It's called using special effects. Probably too much of a cheap ass to spend the money on special effects. Lock him up!!!! Trump 2024!!! Let's go, Brandon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was so unnecessary!
@@lindap.p.1337 extremely necessary. 🤭🤭🤫🤫
A note. The Assistant director should never have been handling the weapon or handing it to the actor. That's the job of the armor. Whether you think she's experienced or not, the weapon should not have been handled by someone with no experience with firearms who's job does not include the handling of props. It's akin to my job as an electrician on film sets. Only those within the department who are trained union technicians should touch and operate their equipment as we use dangerous components and tools on a daily basis. If an assistant director was to start touching lighting or power equipment I would shut that down immediately as they are not qualified nor sanctioned with the responsibility to do so. They could electrocute themselves or someone else. They could also disconnect the wrong cable and cause lights and equipment to catch fire or explode. Bottom line. My takeaway is that on a low budget production like rust, there is so much pressure from the above the line persons to work faster and faster and cheaper. I have a feeling that under this pressure the AD, without the armor on hand at the time to provide the weapon just rushed to give Alec Baldwin the gun and grabbed whatever was there, irrespective of what might have been loaded into the chambers of the props. I believe the blame falls solely on the AD from the information given thus far as they were acting recklessly and performing a function outside the scope of their job description for the assumed sake of moving faster on set. Really sad.
She will never be the same either.
To announce "cold gun" without checking it himself is criminal neglect. Baldwin should have checked it too! But will anyone be charged? Probably not.
It makes you wonder if the armorer actually checked the guns or if they were there for her to check. Obviously the chain of handling protocol is out the window here due to fill-in staff.
@@kenmore01 allegedly the person's replaced with non union hires were in the camera department. So at this time those elements don't appear related.
@@chrisbarr1359 this process is supposed to operate where the armourer shows the actor that the gun is not loaded. Or if there are chambered blank cartridges they will show them. Upon request any member of the crew is welcome to ask to be shown whether the firearm is loaded or what its state is. That's how the process works. The actor is not expected to inspect the weapon as they are not qualified and instead are supposed to be shown the status of the firearm by the weapons specialist. The AD grabbing the gun completely broke this chain of safety and accountability.
I get the impression that Dr. Grande knows a lot about weapons. He even knows the difference between deflagration and detonation. Very impressive
1. A firearm is ALWAYS LOADED.
2. NEVER POINT A FIREARM AT ANYONE UNLESS YOU INTEND TO KILL THEM.
I was raised in a home with firearms. My mom had been on the college rifle team. She had very strict rules about guns. Never, ever point a gun at a person, even a toy gun. Don't handle guns if you run across them. Personally, I don't want guns in my home. They are serious business. Wherever people stand on gun ownership, don't even think about using a gun unless you have had good safety instruction and know what you are doing. That is what personal responsibility is about.
I was named after Brandon Lee, so I've always naturally had a massive amount of respect for him. I own his movies Rapid Fire, Showdown in Little Tokyo, and The Crow. Honestly, I heard about the Rust shooting shortly after it happened, and the first person to come to my mind was Brandon Lee.
Me too! That's awesome you were named after Brandon! RIP Elena Hutchins and Brandon Lee
Thank you for the video Dr Grande!
Let's go Brandon 😉
my sons name is Branden Lee Remark and I have the Crow collection
Remmel*
Same here. You'd think it shouldn't have ever happened again after that..
He definitely had the last clear chance to prevent the tragedy by simply checking the weapon. My hope is that a better checks and balances will be established so that even the last person holding the gun, knows how and actually performs a quick safety assessment before firing the weapon.
The moment I read the headline I thought about Brandon. So sad that this still happens even after that tragedy.
So many people in emotional pain for something that could’ve easily been avoided! RIP Halyna Hutchins🙏🏼
Yes, but not only emotional pain but also tremendous physical pain the injured must be going through. Halyna must have suffered excruciating physical pain too until she finally died. The punishment for the ones who acted so negligently must be a long prison sentence. RIP Halyna.🙏
@@healthinfluencernews in my heart of hearts, i dont believe anyone intentionally placed bullet in gun for anyone to purposely have someone killed. Yes, Ms Hutchins family have unbearable grief happening, ( she’s the ultimate victim along with the man who got hit behind her, but not dead, thankfully)….& I’m not calling Alec a victim, but I sure as hell believe he’s going through tremendous emotional pain. He KILLED a co-worker! Plus the armer & AD had roles ( idk what feelings they’re having) but I think ALL the people on that set that day ( some more than others) are going through emotional pain from seeing/ knowing it happened…..plus all family members….Halyna’s, Alec’s etc are feeling the after affects, eventho they’re not directly involved. It was so preventable!
Well researched and well done analysis, given the lack of information at this point. One thing I’ve seen though is the mis-use of the term misfire by so many people covering this story. A misfire is when you pull the trigger and either the primer is a dud, or the main charge doesn’t ignite. IOW, The gun doesn’t fire. An “accidental” or negligent discharge is not a misfire.
Yes. This case is the opposite of a “misfire.” A misfire (crudely put) is when you pull the trigger expecting a bang and only get a click. It’s one type out of a number of other types of “stoppages”
Actually he said the misfire was on the Brandon Lee set of the crow and that the accidental/ negligent discharge was on Alec Baldwin he did not say Alec Baldwin's gun misfired he said the one on the Crow misfired
Everyone is saying that the Alec Baldwin gun misfired earlier that day or the day before but not when Alec Baldwin got it Alec Baldwin they are saying is accidental or negligent discharge I say negligent because anybody should know that you check a gun and you recheck again everyone who touches it you check that gun visually and physically and any dumbass with no sense whatsoever should know that you dont point a gun at somebody pull the trigger I remember getting yelled at as a kid with toy guns by everyone in the room that was an adult saying don't point that at people you learn that as a child with your toy guns don't Point them at people Alec Baldwin is just as responsible as the professional gun person that was on set and everyone else who touched it but he was the last one to touch it and he should have known better he bears just as much responsibility
Is this a Johnny Galecki relative giving his analysis about a Big Bang ?
It was an accident by an actor who fired it. It was never a deliberate shot.
Very good analysis. Good use of terminology with the exception of the word "misfire", which in this case was possibly a "negligent discharge". Misfire is when the trigger is dropped on a live cartridge and it fails to discharge. This is is also a dangerous situation as initially you don't know whether its a "dud" or a slow burner.
Kinda like that dope from the FBI doing backflips in the dance club
The firearm specialist has Edgar Poe tattoo on her shoulder, featuring a crow. A clear reference to "The Crow" movie where Brandon Lee was shot. Rather mysterious and creepy coincidence.
I find it difficult to imagine prop guns weren't designed with some kind of safe guard to make it impossible to load with any kind live round. JFC, how hard can that be?
That’s what a prop gun is. Most are sold rubber and plastic. And others are made to shoot blanks. Blanks shoot a wad Not a projectile. This guy was wrong about the Lee set. What happened was the first wad got stuck in the barrel ( called a squib) and the second shot forced the first wad to act like a bullet. Because of how close he was it killed him. Now with Alec, no one truly knows what happened but what I can tell you is that a prob gun Does Not take real ammo. But a real gun does, and a real gun with real ammo should not be Anywhere Near a movie set. And that’s what he had, and with the complete lack of common sense and gun safety that’s exactly what happens. All these people explaining what happened on CZcams is just priceless! None of them have a damn clue what they’re talking about. My point is that you’re correct, and they had a real gun with live ammo in it, without one person checking the gun first.
I have to correct myself... Lee did die the way he said, I was thinking of an incident in Tombstone AZ a long time ago. But it’s incredibly STUPID to get live rounds, take them apart, then take some of the powder out leaving some in, putting the bullet back together and use it to shoot at someone. That’s what they did. It’s amazing they thought that was ok to do!
I work in the industry. Director have a lot of control over artistic choices like what props are being used. Real firearms are often used on film sets, sometimes on stage. Normally they get modified by the prop master so that bullets no longer fit in the chamber.
There is a show right now that Reese Witherspoon is producing that all the gun fire effects are added in post. If an actor can pretend to have sex they can pretend to have a real gun while using a fake one… but directors and producers have to want to make the changes.
Any person who is conscientious would have checked the chamber of a firearm before discharging the weapon on any film set. The fact that they were plinking and engaging in recreational shooting during this low budget western movie speaks volumes about the irresponsible negligence to all concerned as to why live ammunition was.on this specific set to begin with. The prop master and actor have that culpability on their shoulders and Alex Baldwin was dismissive during questioning from a reporter and couldn't care less. True Narcissist to the t.
First rule of gun safety is always assume it is loaded. Even if someone hands a cased gun to me and tells me it's not loaded, the first thing I do is check the gun for myself. Everyone who handles a gun needs to do this, even actors.
As usual, actors are above it all--somebody else does it all for them. Dumb, huh???
@purewonka exactly! it's ridiculous that he was that careless. and he was a producer as well. unacceptable! and what the hell was he doing pointing a gun at a crew member?! AND firing it!?
A "dummy" round not only has no propellent, it either has a discharged primer (already fired, so will not fire again), or no primer at all. You would not be able to see the primer end of the shell. Also, there is NO reason at all for an AD to TOUCH any weapons on the set. The 1st AD is ONLY responsible to ensure that the set and everyone on it is ready to start rolling film. The are people wranglers. The crew is said to have been using the real guns for "plinking" off-set when they weren't filming.
The person who pulls the trigger is ultimately responsible for the weapon and it's safe use.
In regards to using a remote camera: The cinematographer and director were lining up the shot prior to actually filming. When the action started they would have been in an off set control room. Baldwin was practicing while they were getting ready. Again - chaos on the set, and complete disregard for basic safety. He should not have been "shooting" at the camera while there were people behind it.