HOW TO GET BETTER AT FIGHTING GAMES
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- There's an art to fighting games! I get a lot of messages from you guys about how to get better at fighting games and I decided it would be a good time to finally make a video of what I personally think you need to do to level up! Let me know if you guys liked this video and I can make some more.
0:00 Intro
0:42 Execution
8:18 Neutral
15:00 Mind Games
19:39 Pressure
23:33 Patience
26:21 Nerves
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Other than mashing, one of the newbie mistakes that I made was paying attention to my character more than the opponent's character on screen. After switching my field of vision to focus on the opponent's character more, it improved my game tremendously.
I like to try to focus my gaze in between me and the opponent so I can keep track of my distance for footsies and their movements for prediction/reactions
This is great to mention. I catch myself every once in a while paying a lot of attention to what im doing while I let my opponent just do whatever and I'm not noticing any habits or anything. Forcing myself to just watch them for a bit always helps.
Same concept is used for shmups. You almost gotta unfocus your eyes and trust the actions of your character
Noticed this myself almost immediately. It’s cool because you can translate it to aggressive, parry-heavy games like Sekiro and it just clicks.
I was just thinking about this yesterday and I was shocked that I'd never really thought about that before.
The whole mind games portion was basically Justin saying "Don't respect your opponent. Disrespect them respectfully." And honestly I think that was my biggest takeaway from this video.
This is so true. Once I go in expecting that I can read my opponent and approach confidently, it all falls into place. U can't be scared.
@@altonb.1396I can never read that good. Me in my zone simply relies on aggression without giving them the chance to attack. Mixing highs and lows seamlessly.
@@usmansubhani7482there will always be attacks that leave you at a disadvantage when blocked though, so your enemy will have chances to respond between attacks
@@usmansubhani7482 do you learn the different characters combos and frames? That’s the best way in my book to really start understanding how to read your opponents if you understand what they have available to them at any given moment
“Winning a match does not increase your execution”
This is the quote of 2023 damn this is powerful from Justin
It makes your opponent feel like a discouraged loser, though.
@@p6mkq real ones aren’t discouraged by losses
@pleaseshutup7053 I'm 5 months late but this hit
"let's go justin!...... OOOOHHHHHHH"
@@p6mkqeh not really. If anything if you can’t learn from a loss, than you never really won to begin with.
The “don’t play to win” advice is actually amazing advice. If my only goal is to win, I’m never going to get better at the more challenging aspects of the game.
Learning your first fighting game is the hardest. It's like learning a language and then every character you pick up is learning a different dialect of that language.
FACTS
I believe that the key there is to love the game so much you'll play even when you lose. Practicing can wear down that "favorite game" luster but the trade off is more love for the game once you got your hours in.
Because the word "hardest" is like a drug and it is a tradition from fighting games, the more you lose, the more curious you will be to win it
Definitely
@@keiharris332 theres only one fighting game I am actually good at and it's the psp final fantasy 012 duodecim game
That game is what arena fighting games should be but aren't
One of my main problems when I started playing fighting games was always trying to land my combo. Later on I learned that you need to deal damage any way you can and if the moment comes you can land you big fancy combo. Another thing beginners do wrong is try to lang a long hit combo when sometimes lower hit may deal more damage or leave you with a mixup option
That's one of my main problems when playing fighting games (worry about doing combos out of the gate instead going for basic moves). Another problem I've playing fighting games is dealing with one dimensional opponent (spams same moves x times & I've zero response).
If you need to think about a combo, then use an easier one. That's my rule. You don't want to be distracted.
And a player who is good at the basics can beat many players with no combos at all. If your approach to the game was a cake, mind games, spacing, when to use special moves, what counters what etc, would be the crumb, combos would be the icing. It is important, but not the most important.
The worst thing for me is anxiety. No matter how many years I've been playing fighting games, it never gets any easier. The pressure before a match is sometimes so great I just give up and go play other game. And I don't even stream, I mean, me alone in my room playing a casual match is sometimes too overwhelming. There are days where I feel more confident and anxiety doesn't holds me back that much, but it is always there, it never goes away.
I feel this bro. I consider myself to have above average SF skills with Guile and Akuma, have won many times, lost even more and no matter what the anxiety is always, always there. Lately tho ive been having fun with VF5 FS on xbox 360 and have been steadily losing everytime to the one guy who remains in the Ranked mode online (seriously, hes the only person left but I digress), his Jacky always obliterates my Shun Di but every now and then Ill take a round, sometimes 2 and I have been considering that a major win for me in learning how this game works. The sole player has like 39123 matches to my 260 so he has obviously been at it a lot longer. My anxiety is rarely an issue with VF as I have just come to accept that I lack experience and need to apply myself more to learning how to both win and lose and that eventually the knowledge will come with the experience.
Yeah, I panic a lot - against the CPU, no less! - and then all is lost.
I have this same problem. A few beers will loosen me up though lol.
I was like this ever since I got into fighting games in 2021 (the same with every other game too tbh), but I was tremendously anxious to even go online for some reason until now. Went through a depressive episode for a while and only coming out of it now. Just starting off again from scratch at Tekken (was very on and off) and I'm not shaking like I used to anymore. Learning little by little every day. It finally feels fun again. Hope you get through your battle!
I was also like this until I started practicing with friends. For some reason I’m way more confident playing with them, and that made me lose the anxiety playing online too
I love how you worded all of this. For me, fighting games have always been a combination of game knowledge, command execution, and adaptiveness under pressure. I always found your adaptiveness and execution of your game plan to be your strongest traits in a fight and it makes you such a tough opponent.
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Dude, genius move from Justin to teach people how to get better at fighting games. Being the GOAT he is this just makes good content.
This video has one of the best definitions of “neutral” I’ve seen. I’m also glad that you mentioned execution was important and that it was OK to use the AI for practice-a good chunk of folks tell beginners to not worry about combos, only focus on neutral and avoid AI like the plague, which had me frustrated and confused during my first year and a half of playing FGs.
Hey my wife’s name is thalia too
Playing to improve instead of winning is really was a game changer. I switched up the thought process and grinding out MUs in Strive to learn, and getting into Clestial was a nice feeling accomplishment because of it.
This mindset is underrated. It's applicable learning any skill really.
How does that mind shift look like? When you to do that I always end up on autopilot trying to win anyways. (I play for honor) I try to understand their patterns but it’s like I’m always forgetting so it feels like everything I’m getting hit by is something new. It just doesn’t stick
@@Chris-kh8qi Take more risks, I used to play 'honorably' too. Patiently block, wait for my turn, do the basic shit I know I can do. But I realized that you can't know when to take your turn without forcing it a bit. Fail as much as you can early when you're learning a game, then apply knowledge that later to win more.
@@andrebaxter4023 agreed!
"Playing to improve instead of winning"
When fighting game lovers have to adopt to weird buddhist ideas to even begoin with it. We all play fighting games to win. How do you win? By improving. Who knew? Right?
"Everything is a learning experience, losing is part of the process of getting good. As long as you have fun, that's what matters the most." - That's my mindset for pretty much everything, plus I came back to SFV around a week ago after 7 months of just not playing, I deranked to Ultra Bronze and I don't care, I know I'm bad, I know I can become better. I play to learn and have fun, winning is just me applying what I learned, if I lose that just means I lacked something to defeat my opponent and they were better than me. I have to better my execution (I already do execution drills everytime I boot up a game), learn what to do at the 99, how to approach, pressure/blockstrings, some BnB and v-shift, mostly those things. Also learn how to be more patient, I'm already am but I sometimes lose patience and end up getting hit. Taiko no Tatsujin actually helped me getting rhythm and better reactions thanks to high BPM charts!
the problem with the fighting game genre for most people is that it boils down to "if something went wrong, you're bad, but that's ok", most people stop at "you're bad" and demand of you "why the _flying fuck_ do i need to _work_ to have fun?"
which taiko did you play
@@MeanieBean PS4, both switch and pc simulator
thanks @@Siinory
Thank you J Wong.
You have really opened my eyes up.
I used to be an extremely salty player and was a sore loser at times. But I have gotten alot more humble over the years.
Hearing you talk about this about losing to fundamentals even to the talks about execution makes me smile.
as someone in their early 40s is finally finding more time to play games. I think nerves, patience and execution are my main issues and I hope to be more aware of it and level up. Thanks Justin and looking forward to seeing your mind games in SF 6.
It weird how having patience and control of your nerves can reverse the pressure on your opponent. I've noticed sometimes my opponent will sometimes get too comfortable having a health lead and then starts to play recklessly. I think of EVO moment Diago vs Wong as perfect example😆
On the defensive, crouch blocking and waiting to anti-air/throw tech/stand block an overhead covers every base. Just turtle up, keep your eyes peeled and find your way out when they make a mistake.
My biggest problem is waiting for the first hit to connect before pressing the next button in a combo. Most notably in NRS games, I have to just trust that the combo will work, but the trust is not there
Absolutely 💯
thats the practice man. just make it a goal to trust in match
To quote the SF6 advanced tutorial I was playing last night, you are talking about confirms and they advise to treat it as two seperate parts of a sequence. Abuse however much time you have between the first connect and the second to visually confirm before you go nuts. I'm a fucking masher tho, what do I know lmao.
This is insanely good content Justin. So glad you took the time to make this video and sincerely hope it helps everyone you reach. Keep doing your thing and much love from San Antonio!
The biggest thing I learned in my short time playing Soul Calibur nationally is do not play against the character, play against the player. I never achieved any accolades, but there was a marked improvement afterwards
Man, I miss SCII. I used to just BRUTALIZE people with Ivy and Cassandra lol xD
@@teewylerable i loved wrecking people with Maxi.
Shout out to the editing on this video. Love to see practical examples that go along with what Justin is saying!
All I have to say is thank you. You've addressed so many things to me that, if I work on it properly, I'll for sure be a better player. Thanks Justin, you're a joy for FGC
Great advice man this year is going to be a great year for fighters, it took me MONTHS to learn Focus dash cancel on SF4 but I've never felt such an achievement using it in a match. You got this Kings and Queens listen to the goat.
I’m so glad this gets brought up. It feels like as I get older, I get progressively worse at fighting games. My hands just won’t do what my brain tells them to as much. Anybody else experience this?
I got rusty, but then I got better. When you're older you just don't have enough practice time. But even if your reaction sucks, you can make up for it with clever prediction.
Yep. Same. But as we age, we have more experience. Youth and Speed is no match for Experience and Cunning. Frame traps, Ambiguous Mix Ups, safe block strings, player psychology. You don't need speed if you can predict 1 second ahead of your opponent. That only comes with time, and as an old folk: That is our strength.
This was excellent. You touch on many things that other similar videos don't (which makes sense looking at the amount of experience you have playing fighting games at a high level). I'm definitely guilty of the execution fumbles and pressing too many buttons, being lost on the supposed rhythm of the presses, so that's a good thing for me to focus on.
I see this video with some friends on stream and im super thankful you share this with us; is really complete, well structured, you cover pretty much everything, thank you so much
Thank you so much, Justin.
I've been playing Dead or Alive and Tekken series for two years; thanks for your motivational words and instructions.
I love this video, it covers a lot of what holds people (especially me) back. I don't have enough free time to get much better at any of the things on this list. Fighting games are incredibly time consuming, and frustrating, tiny incremental improvements are hard to enjoy. It took me a year of weekly practice to figure out I suck at blocking and knowing when it's my turn, something so basic it didn't even make it into this video.
Big fan, keep up the content, thanks for this.
I think fighting games do a poor job of showing newer players how much they've actually improved. In SFV you don't really see how much better you are until you match up with someone at the lower end of the matchmaking pool.
As a silver player it's very noticeable when I play someone with around 1500 LP just sneaking into ultra bronze how far I've come. It feels like there aren't enough ranks to separate skill properly. Silver is rough you get a huge skill range from 1500 ultra bronze to 3500 super silver it's hard to gauge whether you're improving.
Footsies and neutral really aren’t interchangable terms, footsies is just (afaik) an aspect of neutral where both players are moving in and out of each others range, poking, and whiff punishing.
They kind of are. The goal of both terms is to press advantage safely and create false gaps to get your opponent to make a mistake. But indeed, fireballs aren't technically footsies but is used in neutral.
@@keiharris332 You can't press advantage if you don't have it to begin with, but I think I know what you meant. There are also jump ins to consider, though some games like melty blood have what they call "air footsies" since the air game is so involved.
Loved this. Simple to the point , can you go in-depth about how to create 50/50 scenarios, frame traps, etc
I've been playing fighting games for a while and I consider myself intermediate level (also more cas than comp), and I still make some of the smallest of mistakes when fighting against people, CPU's even. Watching this has really helped, thanks Justin.
Re: execution it also helps to know little tips and tricks that could make something that seems daunting a lot easier. e.g. DP -> super in 3S. The DP counts as the first qcf in the super motion, so all you need to do it, DP, qcf+punch/kick. Probably common knowledge for experts, but for a super casual like me - mind blown.
Yeah and can make you feel like your mind is unlocked. I know it did for me.
I had that with learning how to dp while crouching it's so much faster.
You can take it a step further too! You are basically buffering your inputs. In fact, there are instances where you can land that DP and smoothly transition into super with qcf+p it is a neat piece of knowledge because you can start to short cut all kinds of stuff. Like c.mk xx fireball. Lp+forward xx 360+p which is a tick throw using the lp to give you time to input the 360 while also functioning as a tick throw.
When learning a new game, looking at your input data in training mode can be VERY useful indeed, you will see many unnecessary inputs. Of course, the goal is to get rid off them! That's one of the most important things in FTGs imo.
This was incredibly useful in pushing my game to the next level and fighting nerves. Thank you so much. Let's go Justin! 🙌
This was a really good and informative video! Please, more of this! I've learned so much that I was missing
Thanks for the video, the advice on practising combos against the AI and then in actual matches is something I needed to hear.
I used to do it in Tekken 3 back when I had no one to play locally. Once Tekken tag 1 hit I started traveling to play good players, My execution allowed me to hang way better than I had any business doing. Practicing against an active target helps a ton and it's more fun.
Also, out of most fighting games I tend to practice lots of times and learn different punch and kick mechanics as far as hit boxes and delay frames and all. Experiment every character to learn small hit combos to big hit combos.
Same. I love footsies as well. I was never good at big combos so my mantra is never get hit and always land my pokes.
This video is amazing. Even though I've been playing fighting games for years, you still shed light on some pieces that I was not totally sure on. Everyone should watch this!
Standing ovation.
I watch so many videos on the topic but this one literally knocked it out of the park.
I watch it every week, sometimes more than one time.
Thank you!
As a fighting game channel, I appreciate all the tips and tricks. 👍
For me neutral is the hardest thing to learn in fighting games
Great and informative stuff, Justin. I've been playing fighting games for over 30 years and I'm still learning. Thank you for the knowledge!
I legit saved this to a list, this is just straight up knowledge. Thanks for putting this video out.
I know this might be a silly request, but would you ever make another video with examples just strictly on Terminology. It can be a bit overwhelming to newbies like me to google what everything means eg ( cancel, punish, focus attack, trigger, shift break .)
Agree with this. I only played SF casually since the 90s and 00s and SF6 excites me but I’m overwhelmed.
Don’t get discouraged, it can be a lot of first. Remember to have fun
The examples would be great, and on top of that I'd reccomend Infil's FGC terms wiki, they try to cover as many general and game-specific terms as they can in there (been there looking exactly for footsies a couple days ago)
The one thing which needs to be understood by young guys that real Oldskool players who are around 35-40 witnessed and learned gaming on real arcade machines where coin needs to be inserted, not like today having infinite lives.
This created instinct in Oldskool players of learning and adapting fast and playing with perfection because insert coin was real money. Sadly now a days kids are playing in home alone without any excitement, so this lacks in motivation too.
Love from India to every Oldskool gamer worldwide, never let nostalgia end my dear brothers.
This is a great video justin. You talk a lot about unseen factors that not a lot of content creators really mention and appreciate you sharing your collective knowledge!
Thank you!!!! This definitely changed my mindset in approaching at getting better at fighting games! I was always playing to win instead of being accurate and practice landing the combos that I want consistently.
That "don't play to win" bit = mind blown
He's not wrong though...🤷♂️
Thank you for going over how important it is to work on improving whiff punish to start improving neutral. Have played fighting games for a few years, and I feel like I've gotten a lot better recently after getting a better understanding of needing to search for and capitalize on whiff punish opportunities
Super cool of you for doing that, J.
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to create this video its super helpful also big up to all the players in the comments sharing their learning experiences. Currently transitioning from control pad to arcade stick ergh not gonna lie its frustrating but gonna stick with it especially after watching this. Liked, Shared, and already subscribed. Much respect 👊
I’ve gotten so much better at fighting games this past year thanks to content like this from great creators like you. It’s a blessing to learn from the 🐐!
When you talk about testing people's knowledge, this is exactly why Daigo often loses the first rounded before killing it.
Thanks Justin. I never comment but this video taught a 30-yr veteran from SF2 (lifelong mid ranker) so much! Keep up the great work... lots to learn
I really appreciate you making this video because I recently got into actually playing fighting games with SF6. I'm ever so slowly doing what I can to improve so this really helps maps out some goals to achieve
Justin, i just wanna say thank you for being a real one. I've been playing fighting games since mid 2017, back then i couldn't do my inputs correctly or pull off supers. Now having a decent 5 years & a half of practice, i think it's safe to say that I've improved a lot more than before
I just got SF 5 not long ago pretty fun game combos aren't too tough
"Fundamentals doesn't not equal game knowledge." That hit home for me. I've been given many slices of humble pie because I stayed with that mindset. Fantastic video. I've been playing these kinds of games since I was a kid in the 90s. While a lot of the concepts are already in me in some way or another, the way you explain and expand on those base concepts showed me that there is so much to refine.
I've been waiting for this video, thank you 💙
As a Tekken player, I can get away with mashing a bit during combos. When I tried that in SF5 during a simple medium punch medium punch, and it did not work. I had to time each button press. After realizing that, I gained a newfound appreciation for SF players.
Justin sensei is out here dropping knowledge.
Knowing the nutrel game is like so important. Even in fighting games where you might not think about it like Smash, it's pretty important.
Also, learning the special mechanics of the game you're playing is like really important. Learn what makes the game unique and what makes your character unique.
Damn these tips are real good. Realized what I lack and what happened with the nerves that caught up to me on our local tournament. Love ya Justin. This definitely helped out with how I can and should improve.
I haven't played fighting games since I was a kid, but the new lineups have looked so much fun and I have a bunch of fighting games that I got for free and wanna get into, i think this video is gonna help a lot
The Objective best way is to play more. You'll end up learning by yourself. Of course watching videos will help, but you won't get better without playing. (Yes Justin, this would be a TEDTalk)
True statement but also learn to adapt your movement on the D-pad
That’s right, it takes a few thousand hours per character to finally play it well and most people give up within a few minutes or even a few hours in. It’s a grind.
I love watching fighting games, but find it really hard to play people. Don’t know why, maybe anxiety or that it’s not enjoyable often.
But there's a proper way to play. It's more than just putting in hours.
Not unless you have bad habits and don’t realize it, don’t understand frame advantage or endlessly playing without applying knowledge from better players. It’s easy to flounder in mediocrity despite their hour count. Hence why only one 1% of sfv players even touch gold.
I would say 70 percent of this video is controlling your emotions as the circumstances change. Which also applies to one of the hardest fighting games out there, life.
I enjoy you videos because your deeper messages make me think and want to get better. This is important.
What a fantastic video. More of this, please! Easy to digest, simple to understand... just fantastic overall Mr. Wong. Perhaps start a series on How to Get Good at X game?
On my road to being a fighting gamer has been the following:
Don't get Cocky
Ignore the hate
Enjoy the game whether you win or loose
Learn from mistakes/ observe other combos
Give kudos to a great match
There's always room to learn a new method.
It may not be easy, but it was worth it.
Also....
Thank the Wong for his advice. He's been in the grind longer and knows his stuff.
This i love
Music is WAY too loud.
I like the use of the term neutral over footsies, but if you have them in the corner that's not neutral anymore -- you are an in advantage state which changes your options
I’ve been taking your advice these past few matches and I’ve been winning more games! Thanks Jwong!
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I haven't been playing alot of Fighting Games lately but I am very glad that you are making a video about this, LET'S GO JUSTIN!
Love the content Justin, I want to get back into fighting games this year and this is motivational!
Ty Justin for taking the time to post this video it must have taken so long to put it all together, much respect
Such a great video for me as someone just getting into fighting games but wanting to know more about the journey ahead. thanks for the fantastic content!!
i’m really happy i found this video because sometimes i find it hard for me to improve on certain fighting games so i know for sure this video is gonna help me with just that so i will 100 percent check out more of your videos
Loved the Lecture Fam. Appreciate it.
Be like Jotaro when he’s learning how to play “Oooh das’a BASEBOL” in the first couple strikes. Got it.
You really know your stuff bud!! Thank you for this!
Great video man, “getting good” is like 75% mental. I hopped into learning Tekken in 2019 and my attitude was to just be humble and allow myself to be humbled. When I lose, I ask myself where I could have played better instead of getting frustrated over my opponent. Staying tilt free is so important
Aw man thank you for making this. There's a lot of improvement for me to chase.
Thanks for the video King
This was pretty informative thanks jw
Hilarious that I literally asked you on stream YESTERDAY about this very topic - and here we are lolol. Absolutely awesome video!
Hope there's a part 2. :)
Hey justin just wanted to say that o really liked the way you explained how you see the game, it really helps having a deeper understanding even of the most basic stuff, keep the great work!! And greetings from Mexico!!
29:48 I will never look at JWong the same way again. I didn't even know he could be this cocky, I love it
Bro, I have been playing fighting games since I was a kid, now I'm in my 30s and can say that I my skills haven't improved much over the years. I've been playing KoF and Marvel vs. Capcom recently and hope to actually get better. This video does touch upon things I'm lacking in a easy to understand manner while hitting the important points. Thanks for putting in the time to make this video and everything you do for your audience, Justin.
This was fascinating, great video! Thank you 🙏🏽
Very insightful video! I’m constantly amazed at all the unique ways people approach fighting games
This is so good, I'll definetely come back here in the future to keep learning
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! I’ve been fighting game curious for years and am finally going to try with SF 6. This video will help!
Thank you sensei! clicking save --> favorite!
This video is so underrated, no matter how highly rated it gets. Like, imagine if Mozart just sat down with you as a beginner pianist and just got real with you.
Stuff like observation and habit awareness... that's always been something I struggled with lol But damn, this vid answered so many questions! Thanks for making this for us! Much appreciated!
Thx for the tutorial. I love this type of video.
Sharing knowledge is always the way to bring new people to the games or something that has value.
Great lessons Justin! Learned a lot!
this was so good there are so many layers and you layed it out perfect
Amazing vid Justin was in the stream yesterday for the first time. You'll see me there a lot more!
I could never get into fighting games so I moved to shoot’em up games and it helped me tremendously improving map control and where my perspective needs to be to control the flow.
Good video Justin! This was a nice relaxing listen 😌the player reactions during the SFEX2 part were hilarious lmao
While it's amazing you do other remarkable and funny content,I'm glad you went to basics and are giving a Fighting game lecture,you're the best man
You explain things in such a way that makes it fun to game!