Scott Pilgrim vs. Fan Expectations
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- The HIGHLY anticipated Scott Pilgrim Takes Off anime has finally released on Netflix, and hoo boy is it causing a STIR. For understandable reasons! Just going to go ahead and IMMEDIATELY say that this is about to have hella spoilers, I don’t think there’s any way to talk about this thing without spoiling the story massively so…. Go watch it if you haven’t, and if ya have! Let’s… take off.
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One of my favorite moments from the series is when Knives is having her jam session with Kim on the Bass, and while the visual epicness of the scene makes it feel like Knives is this amazing Bassist right out of the gate, if you actually pay attention and listen, Knives is merely keeping rhythm with two very simple chords, and ends with a nice transition from one to the other while Kim really is the one carrying the music, but this is also very representitive of the pair of them, Knives is new and eager, but tempered, she doesn't go for anything beyond her skill level, but she plays at her skill level very well, while Kim is experienced and leads the music, but doesn't go off the leash and leave Knives behind.
It also calls into question Scott's abilities as a Bassist considering Stephen's reaction to Knives playing, but... you know... bread makes you fat.
bro was NEVER a good bassist, he used to be on drums and ended up forced into playing bass i'm not surprised knives is already on par w him
I don't really think scott was that good a bassist in any scott pilgrim media lol
Yeah, but I mean Scott is established as not being that good of a bassist anyway. I do think it's awesome how Knives was still pretty good, but I think the keys fit her character a lot better. She completes the band, if you think about it.
There is also a hint of foreshadowing. You can hear synth keyboard while the song is playing, which is what Knives plays in the band at the end. It's almost like they figured out the missing component to them not sucking was going to be keyboard.
I loved this anime. Fleshing out the evil exes, letting Ramona learn from her own mistakes and failed relationships…this was really well done.
I think so too, and it especially pays off for people who grew up with the movie and comics
@@Brisingr_Phoenix Definitely. It was a great addition to a story we already know and love.
It’s not really an anime.
It’s an animation.
I wish the art style was more anime like though
@@cookiestrong8757 oh ok, fair enough! I love that they used the style from the comics. It’s an awesome animation!
@@BuddSidewinder ya. The fact that they kept the comic art style is a nice homage for the fans
Even if we don’t get a season 2, I wouldn’t actually mind seeing more of this timeline.
i think we will because of the end with g man at the computer
you already got the season 2. the season 1 is the one missing :v
If they make the next season about Envy, Gideon and maybe Lisa, then that would be cool
@@clovisbonfim7500 I know right. I wanna see the reality that isn't a total fucking bait and switch
@@ciabatta55 Yeah, and the sad thing is I like what they did with the characters, I agree with most of the arguments Johnny presents, and I think with a few tweaks tweeks it would be a potential masterpiece material. But I couldnt enjoy as much as I think I could because of false expectatives that were purposedly created by the marketing.
Its annoying and frustrating going throug that. If the argument that we have the history in comic and we dont need retelling was right, the anime industry would die. We have the movie, that does a pretty good job in its limited time, but its not an exploration of the full history potencial of the history in an mooving picture media, that was what I thought I would get from the anime.
Loved the Gideon/Julie thing so much. A toxic couple that enables each other's villainy is really fun. They fit each other so well. What a power couple honestly
Well, I don't really mind it if it was an original story. But this story uses already established characters and completely changed them. I mean... "Gordon Goose"? What? Is this Scott Pilgrim Takes off or is it "O'Malley takes the silly pill"?
@thefkey6241 I don't get your reasoning. If you want an original story with different characters, then how would it be related to Scott Pilgrim in any way? Old Scott experienced the original story and made this Scott from the show experience a different timeline.. that's basically original
@@SunnyHikikOmori Nah I don't accept that. I loved the story of the comic and I'm not gonna believe that the happy ending of the comic just turns into a messy divorce. It would mean that the story of the comic is meaningless and that's just straight up slandering the source material.
@@NationalistsRuinAmerica I mean, you can ignore the anime series and pretend it ends there as a headcanon.
But it's unrealistic to expect happily ever afters. Sometimes misunderstandings happen, and future Ramona even confirmed that. She just told Scott that she needed her space or alone time. Which is normal in relationships.
Scott overthank everything and thought she divorced him. This led to him ghosting Ramona for ten years while he trained like a Monk.
@@SunnyHikikOmori Yeah but Old Scott's issues were the whole focus of the comic finale. So the anime very much implies that neither Scott nor Ramona learned a single thing in the comic. And that's just.... ugh
I'd go so far as to say that objectively bad storytelling.
This is kinda like a sequel, or a spin-off, to the novels but is also absolutely a love letter to them as well.
It's not a sequel o mally confirmed that the anime is its own thing
Clearly a spin-off story not a sequel
It’s a remix! Or a “Scott Pilgrim+”
It's kind of a sequel, though, since all the events still happened to older Scott.
I just like the fact that this was handled well. Last time I watched an anime that bait and switched was Higurashi Gou and Sotsu and well didn’t land well for me.
While it is a very obvious point in the show, I just adore the section in the end where Scott and Ramona are convinced that they need to return to form and fight and defeat the evil exes only for said exes to completely just de-escalate and shrug off the situation via the new developments they experienced in the series. It just ties such a neat bow to their arcs and also just drives home how this series has continuously worked to show that the exes are their own people that exist outside of their relationships to Ramona and Scott. I just get so happy seeing a guy like Matthew who always gets minimized as a starter enemy who Ramona viewed as no one substantial in her past getting to be something other than the butt of a joke, and turning their dynamic on its head and so forth and so on.
Ah yes the substantial dynamic of...being a theatre kid. The anime didn't do shit for the exes let's be real. They didn't really get growth
I kinda love how they didn’t have to defeat the evil exes cause they fell for eachother regardless and most of the exes weren’t that bad of people like Lucas, Todd, and Roxie
they wasted mathews arc should've had a fight scene with him like they did with Roxy Romana was a really bitch to him lol so Lucas was fine but Mathew was just a joke this anime which kinda sucked since I expected more development
we got the story. it's called the comic. This is like being angry that the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy books aren't direct adaptations of the original radio drama.@@marcusclark1339
@@marcusclark1339are you a narcissist or something? When people tell you they like the story and to give it a chance, they're not making excuses idiot, they're telling you their damn opinion. Are you so narcissistic that you can't understand that other people can legitimately have a different opinion on this show than you? Because that's really sad. Kind of makes it seem like all the stuff about growth and change in the original comic and movie must have gone right over your head, after all your opinion is the only one in the world that counts. Really the only excuse is everything you said, because you need an excuse not to engage with a new story, you just want the same crap regurgitated over and over and over and over and over and over and get mad when artists actually want to be creative and not just box themselves in for YOU want. Get over yourself.
I genuinely think that it's got to be a running joke having the Katayanagi twins get like no development. Like it's their turn and the writers just shrug, laugh, pat 'em on the back and send 'em on their way. Also I was happy they managed to keep the "Chau down" line
Yeah, but it felt a bit hollow seeing that Knives almost immediately got folded. I would love for her to have like a real fight scene in season 2.
Roxie was fun in the movie but the animated version really struck me in a way i never thought it would. And the way the animators made her already tearful and sort of flaily from the beginning of the fight is an amazing detail that elevates the stakes for her in a very subtle way. Kudos to animation team and whitman
Ramona Rents a Video is definitely my favorite episode. It's pretty perfect to me. the stylish fight that switches between film styles, the emotional weight, a version of Roxie that is allowed to shine rather than being a footnote like in the movie... so fantastic :)
I actually loved the first episode just because it let me see Ramona being more of a sweetheart when Scott fails at flirting which seems more in character for her
Just like when they met in the comics with her bubblyness
She’s so adorable. They turned mid into gold
Yeah. I hated her in the movie but love her in anime.
I was really surprised they managed to endear me to the exes as much as they did, I really started to enjoy them feeling like actual characters.
I LOVE that Ramona had to face her exes herself. She ends up doing it about halfway through the movie, but it was mostly because they didn’t want Scott to hit a girl. Then she kinda goes back to the sidelines until the end. THEY ARE HER EXES. And she doesnt fight them, she TALKS to them. She gives them a chance to grow, and in turn, she gets to grow too. They get to be people and Ramona realizes that she has just ran from love… forever. She chooses not to run from Scott. She can be better than she was. And maybe, their future can be better together.
Her ending on good terms with Roxie after hearing her side of the story was genuinely very sweet and finally gave me a reason to give a shit about their past relationship and their future
@@marcusclark1339ok now you are joust spaming the same mesage without eaven thinking
Except Gideon. He was abusive
The only ex she ended up fighting in the anime series was Roxie, mostly because Roxie was too angry with her to just sit and talk about it. And even then Ramona still managed to talk things over with her after both became too exhausted to continue fighting.
I think what makes this so good is that it doesn’t pretend the original story didn’t happen. It acknowledges the flaws of the original story and builds on the story to make another complex examination of relationships. I think that if they do a second season we would get more exploration of the characters that were neglected for the exes. 😊
Yeah and for those that wanted it to explore Scott's relationships could be done in that season. He still hasn't made peace with Kim or Envy, which could also be addressed in that season and he could try to make sure that he avoids his future self by trying to find closure on these relationships.
I loved the exes got the more a spot light in this series. Although the twins like in the film they still felt underutilized outside of the vegan robot.
I’d rather see a direct sequel to Scott pilgrim that would be better
Honestly, given how metatextual the original comic and film were, it's really the most Scott Pilgrim thing EVER that the anime is in direct conversation with the past versions of the series.
Hope we can see characters like Mr Chau and Lisa reworked into a new way
Love how Matthew Patel got the biggest Glow up of all the evil exes
Form one note beginner boss to Star of the show.
Wonder if we’ll get a season 2 with that sequel hook at the end with Gideon and Julie
My lone complaint with this series was no appearances by Crash and the Boys. I wanted to hear "I am so sad, I am so very, very sad" again. All three seconds of it. Besides that, loved all of it.
That and the disappearance of the vegan police are the only things that the series misses. Other than that, sublime
Here’s a fun fact; the show’s reveal of Gideon as Gordon suggests he’s from North Bay, Ontario; which is Kim and Lisa’s hometown and where the flashbacks in Book 2/the wilderness sabbatical in Book 6 take place.
It’s a sort of mirror to Scott’s childhood; which reflects themes of how Scott and Gideon could’ve been the same person, which is where the Power of Understanding comes from in the comics.
The music references throughout the show were also amazing.
All of the licensed music in the Lucas Lee episodes were from Tony Hawk games. There was representation from THPS, THUG 1 and THUG 2. It was also the only episode to not have a canadian artist / band playing during the end credits. They went with Ring of Fire instead, which was part of the THUG 2 soundtrack. And of course, the credits of episode 8 were set alongside Plumtree's Scott Pilgrim.
Someone could probably make a whole video about the music / musical references alone.
And of course, Metric playing I Will Remember You is an absolute banger.
The fact that Emily Haines was the inspiration for Envy in the original books, that Wright then used a Metric song as THE Clash at Demonhead song in the film, and that now Haines herself provided sung vocals for Envy in the anime, is the most deliciously and deliriously silly metatextual feedback loop ever.
Don't forget Old Scott and the Twins doing a cover of "Konya wa Hurricane" from Bubblegum Crisis.
@@heltaku9397I feel so stupid for not knowing that was a cover
What songs were used in the episode?
I've been a huge fan of the Scott Pilgrim movie since I was a teen and I absolutely LOVED this anime! I haven't read the comics yet but I think it's about time I gave them a look! I loved that they made callbacks to all my favorite jokes from the movie, and recontexualized them to be funny all over again 😂 I also loved the focus on Ramona as an actual character this time, instead of being a passive prize to be won at the end of the story. I got to actually CARE about her this time. One of my favorite parts of the show was watching Ramona change her hair color each episode. It was always so satisfying lol
I also can't praise the animation enough! Just WOW! WHAT A FEAST FOR THE EYES!! And the art style is fucking adorable and so much fun to look at!
You should read them, they’re only six books and if you wanna see more of Scott’s journey those are perfect for that
(The comics already did that)
This video made me subscribe.
Also, the voice acting between the heated exchange between Michael Cera's Scott and Weird Al's Even Older Scott was far better and more intense than it should have been, given the comedic actors and franchise.
S: "You need to let me live my life!"
EOS: "If I do, you'll end up like I did! Alone! Alone in a room for ten years!"
S: "That was YOUR decision! Let me make my own!"
EOS: "I'M YOU!"
Weird Al is the narrator in the episode about the movie, Will Forte voices older Scott
@@fanboypotion4412 Lol I dunno why I put Weird Al as the voice of Even Older Scott, but you’re correct.
I love the show, it’s good and I was surprised they “Killed” Scott in ep1, and all the following episodes were great with how they handled the characters
Truth is, I thought it would be a retelling and I was happy about it. Seemed like a neat story, because there was a lot in the graphic novels they didn’t quite get to. That never made the films less enjoyable, just a fact.
But when it became clear this would be different, I was so immediately drawn in. The exes became characters, which was especially needed for Matthew and Lucas. Not only that, getting to see Knives not just be the plaything for everyone in the comic series but her own character was fantastic. I don’t understand the issues people have with this
I dunno, I loved it. I think being a fan of the source material elevated how they wrote it, and brought more appreciation to choices, or even easter eggs
oh absolutely.
i saw a lot of people that didn't read the comics who watched the series being like "i don't get it" or "why is this series so hyped again?"
if you go blind,without even knowing the character and world of scott pilgrim,i don't think you would enjoy it this anime.
@@XxjeffersonDkidxX all of the scenes of young neil driving around the movie studio were peak, i loved all the references to the level from the game, it was such a wonderful loveletter
@@XxjeffersonDkidxXwell i haven't read the books (yet) and I still enjoyed it
Only thing that kind of lacked was time for a character arc for scott
I agree that Scott should have had more screen time. But as the video stated, Take Off Scott did have his own version of confronting Nega Scott by facing Older and Even Older Scott AND he did also witness a re-telling of the original timeline in Matthew’s play.
While I was looking forward to a comic adaptation, I was pleasantly surprised and then stoked that they took a complete different turn. I was a little sad that old Scott didn't learn the lesson he supposedly learned from defeating the exes or basically relapsed but it still seemed like there was a chance for growth at the end like was said in the video. And Will Forte killed it as older Scott. Hoping for a season 2 to tell an even more original story and maybe flesh out more of the characters that didn't get as much of a spotlight or had some arcs that felt a little rushed this season.
For what it's worth, I don't read the presence of Old Scott as "Scott didn't actually learn his lesson in the movie/comics." First, as Joel pointed out in the video, it's not clear that Old Scott is even intended to be "canonically" the Scott from the movie or comics. But more importantly, it kind of doesn't matter what "universe" Old Scott is from. Scott Pilgrim isn't a multiverse in the sense of the Spider-Verse or Everything Everywhere All at Once - it's more like a series of Schrodinger Boxes from which we can pluck a new timeline. What I mean is that the whole point of the open-ended ending of the comic and film is that Scott and Ramona have grown enough to *choose* to forge ahead with their relationship even though they *don't know what's going to happen.* That means things could work out, or it could just as easily mean that the relationship falls apart again. But regardless of how their relationship ultimately plays out, it doesn't undercut the fact that they looked that uncertainty in the face and voluntarily chose to accept it (which is something neither character would have been willing to do at the beginning of the film/comic).
In other words, the arc of the Scott Pilgrim film and comic isn't "main characters overcome their toxic tendencies," as it's often oversimplified to be. Instead, it's "the main characters come to *understand* that they have severe commitment issues, and mature enough to decide to make a go at it with that in mind." That means accepting that it might not work out. And if you want to fit that outcome onto a multiversal framework, just think of Old Scott as a version of Scott from a universe where it *didn't* work out. And then layer on top of that the very reasonable possibility that the relationship imploding might just well cause one of the people involved to backslide (something that happens all the time in real life). And there you have Old Scott, without "undoing" the arc of the original story.
I would have LOVED a retelling of the story since I haven't read the story and only watched the movie. But this show was phenomenal. Even with my limited knowledge. Will definitely buy the books!
Definitely recommend the graphic novel. Even though the anime’s direction ends up being very different, it retains a lot of the spirit of the original story and depth of the characters that the movie really speedruns. And I could see the anime continuing considering the ending and the fact that some big moments in the book could definitely still happen with the new timeline in a remixed way. Having all the exes actually still around just chilling with rest of the cast is something I’d love to see more of.
Something kind of random that I find funny is the length of time Ramona has a certain hair color. In the books she says that she changes it every month or so, in the movie she changes it every week and a half or so, and finally In the new show she changes it every day. Weird but funny at least for me.
If someone can get Bryan to agree to two more remakes, we can finally get a version where her hair just changes colour every time the camera cuts back to her.
@@wendyheatherwoodI would absolutely love this
Honestly, Cera was so much better voice acting Scott than acting as Scott in the movie that I didn't even realize he came back in to voice Scott till like, episode 3s credits. Props to everybody who worked on this, it was a great time. You're also absolutely right that this is better with some familiarity with the movie comics.
By episode 3 I was a little concerned but i ended up Actually really loving this series. The fact that Ramona becomes the main character. She discards her role as the manic pixie Dream girl and actually goes through some character development. And is the catalyst for all of the other characters around her to go through development. by the end of the series Every single character is a better person than they were at the beginning, unlike the movie which they actually address. Because the villain is the Scott from the movie, Who never grew and stayed and incel in his mind throughout his whole life, blaming everybody but himself for his divorce. It was actually amazing. And I love all of the character developments and the fun interactions that happened
I recommend the comics because the thing is both Scott and Ramona are equally shitty people to begin with. However they get better development than both the live action and the anime. Also Scott isn't a villain. Like most characters in the story he and Ramona are people who's flaws hurt those around them and have to become better people
(The comics already did that) Gideon is literally Scott
I imagined that show Gideon did perform some of the terrible acts that he did in the movie/comics. But I think the show establishes why he did those things, drew him away from the same sort of villainy while maintaining that both him and Matthew are still evil despite working through particular issues (as both seemed to enjoy being evil unlike the other exes).
I feel like In both the comics and movie Gideon’s general neglect of Ramona (the sort of pretending she wasn’t there) was Gideon mirroring how he was treated in high school, ignored by the popular kids. As soon as he found the popularity he mirrored his rejection in school by, in a sense, rejecting Ramona. Then his general sense of possessiveness and control of others, shown in the microchip/glow/frozen girlfriends situations probably also stemmed from his rejection in school. Where by not wanting to ever feel powerless and humiliated again he made sure to have control over the lives of those around him, because he lacked said control over others in school.
However I feel like the show developed Gideon away from the villainous aspects of himself, where he felt the need to have full control and power over those around him. Firstly they did that by having him be defeated by Matthew, which in many ways threw him back into a position where he was powerless and highlighted that he wasn’t all powerful and unstoppable, like he fully believed. Then by having him form rather healthy relationships with both Lucas and Julie it gave him that human connection he likely never had in school and likely never had once he gained his fame (because in that position people would do whatever he pleased). And I think that made him realise that to form relationships he didn’t have to control others or exert his power over them. Almost every relationship he formed in the comics whether with Ramona or with the exes had him in a position of complete control and power. With that gone he realised that he didn’t need that to form relationships, which was really his growth for the series. Yes he stayed evil, yes he still liked having power but generally he learnt to value others as equals, something that he never did in the comics/films (likely stemming from feeling like a lesser/loser in school). I think this growth is sort of perfectly signified with his and Julie’s chairs being on equal footing at the end, unlike when he kept Ramona beneath him.
Scott Pilgrim takes off? more like Ramona takes off.
Yeah,you NEED to read the comics,this is not a introduction into scoot pilgrim but a expansion on the comics.
BTW,No, people don't want "the same story for a third time" they want the COMIC story faithfully adapted and improved into animation ,which let's be real is something we never got.(like i swear to god,japan make it look so easy,they just take the manga and animate it... WHY we don't do that more often?)
The more faithfully animation from a comic i remember seeing is invincible from amazon.(which they doing pretty great even tho is not a 1 to 1 adaptation)
As someone who loves this property, I grew to love this show. Took the Roxie fight to get over the change but I do really appreciate the exploration of the characters and world. I also appreciate that this show helps show that Scott kind of sucks, i feel like the movie softens him.
I admit, Scott's relative absense felt weird midway through the series, but by the end of it, I knew that I loved the series. It is a surprisingly mature re-examination of the characters, story arcs, and themes from the graphic novels and the movie. Additionally, I loved spending more time with the other characters, (surprisingly) especially the exes. It is just a fantastic alternate take on the story, and, who knows, if we get a second season odds are we will get more Scott as well, in addition to a much more fleshed out and present supporting cast. Lastly, both the animation and the voice acting for this series were top-notch. Give us a second season, Bryan Lee O'Malley and co., please!
I adore both this and FF7R but I absolutely see the flaw in marketing something to be a remake when it’s actually a sequel. I totally understand why some people are upset.
Well maybe not the “anti woke” complaints, fuck those guys.
It's not a sequel o mally confirmed it
i can tell the writers may have learned so lessons from the fate series
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you are saying this like we gotten tons of Scott Pilgrim Adaptations over the years....
this is the first animated one...
the most we gotten is the movie
and I honestly would still love an adaptation of the original story to at least enjoy it with the new content of Scott Pilgrim Takes Off with from this video, seems more like an sequel rather than an adaptation
As someone who has never seen anything from Scott Pilgrim before this show, I really loved it. After watching it, now I want to get more out of it. I think it did a great job of sparking interest.
I really don't get why people are so mad about this not being an adaptation of the books. Would I love a faithful anime adaptation? Yes. But I loved Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. It expands on the books and movies I already love. It's beautifully animated, the voice acting is great, and it sets up for even MORE Scott Pilgrim. They never said it was going to be a straight adaptation of the books. It was announced as just a anime based on Scott Pilgrim. They even said multiple times that it wasn't going to be the same.
Loved this analysis! This whole show just feels like a celebration of Scott Pilgrim as a whole, and I’m so freaking happy we got this amazing show in an anime medium.
I love Scott Pilgrim I think this show was wonderful!! Such an amazing alternative timeline! The actors do such an amazing job! Especially after not being characters in so long
My biggest issue was Wallace. He DEFINITELY has plenty of reasons to be salty with Scott, but that they chose him to be so mean so often just kinda made me sad
Interestingly, Wallace seemed to be the only person negatively effected by Scott's absence, everyone else had some form of closure or growth or something, but it seems like as much as Wallace gives Scott the business (reasonably so), he also keeps Wallace grounded.
yeah the anime rendition of Wallace is definitely him at his meanest
@@toto1539 Honestly if we do get a Season 2 I’d want to see some focus on Scott’s ‘exes’- Knives and Kim seemed to get good closure and stuff but Envy and Wallace too
@@CDSoundtrack Wallace gave no cares in the anime. The next day after Scott dies, he goes, gets wasted, has sex, and he doesn't care at all. Feels very out of character for him.
For me my first problem was the fact that it was a remix. It was advertised as a proper adaptation and to be bait and switched. Well I felt lied to.
But after finishing the series I'm so glad we got this. Giving the evil exes more screen time and for them to be actual characters was so cool. Matthew Pattel went from first boss jobber character who dressed like a pirate, to an actual character. I respect O'Malley for his choice to remix the series and I totally plan on giving this a rewatch soon.
I don’t like his insistence that adapting the original story would somehow be nothing more than “nostalgia” and what not. Is that what he says when every other series gets it’s story adapted?
The story will not have been told for a third time. The movie is a very condensed version of the comics and omits a lot of details and some characters. Getting an animated version of the full story would’ve been wonderful. It would heighten the thing we all already love, and would not have to skimp on the details.
Even disregarding all that, Takes Off is only decent for what it is. It being only 8 episodes means that we really don’t spend long enough in anything for it to have an impact like it did in the comics. This was basically our only chance of seeing the full story brought to life outside of the comics. It could’ve introduced many more people into how deep Scott Pilgrim can be, and led to a bigger fanbase. But they’d decided to do a sort of sequel instead that only fans will really get the most out of, and you already know that this’ll be the last Scott Pilgrim anything for many years to come…
This is a good point. Not to mention, I would have loved to see Lisa Miller but the best thing we get is a little cameo at the end.
Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is essentially the DLC of the comics in my eyes. I also wouldn't go as far as to say that the show is still really about Scott at all. Like, yeah, the plot revolves around looking for Scott, but really only in the 2nd half that he actually gets anything substantial beyond episode 1. We didn't really get anything fresh with his character that wasn't present if not better handled in the comics until we reached that 2nd half. So it's hard to even call this a Scott story when really most of it is Remona, the exes and some side characters being fleshed out with more character stuff. More so the exes in terms of development.
If anyone really wants the authentic Scott story you basically need to see the comics or movie. It only works so well with the substantial ground work (mostly the comics) do in fleshing out Scott and characters outside the exes.
Couldn't agree more. My biggest concern was while seeing an animated version would be cool, it would just feel like more of the same. I had a ton of fun with this version of the story.
Personally this series drained me. I watched it literally moments after finishing the comic, which left me emotional. I loved the comic, the time it took to establish the characters, the deep connection. The reason why Scott's and Ramona's relationship felt meaningful is because I've seen them go through thick and thin together, help each other and grow. The series doesn't have all of that. It tries to stuff the development of a year's worth of story into a plot of events that lasted only a few days. it feels hollow and meaningless. I'm not even gonna start with this whole time travelling arc. It was a convoluted mess that suddenly concluded from one scene to another.
You can't have a big Scott Pilgrim finale after Scott and Ramona have been on ONE SINGLE DATE. In the comics they were living together before the finale.
@thefkey6241 you're entitled to that opinion for sure. I can kind of see where some of the disappointment is coming from, but I just had a lot of fun seeing these characters in different setups. I got a lot of laughs from this show, and I feel like this show just adds to what the original had instead of fully replacing it. Like, I dont think this show works at all without what came before it.
@@makalshadakal6777 Kim had a total of 4 scenes. She was a fan favorite. I feel like most people who celebrate the anime were never really invested in Scott Pilgrim or haven't read the comic. The cognitive disconnect seems so big.
@@makalshadakal6777 The funny thing is, I feel like I could've enjoyed the anime more if I didn't literally finish the comic moments before watching it. The comic is and always will be the true and best form of Scott Pilgrim.
@thefkey6241 i am coming at this from someone whos a big fan of the movie and thats it. Maybe I'd agree more if I read the comics, which I likely will. Idk though, I think I'll still enjoy it for what it is.
I thought it was pretty good! The twist was a nice way to keep me watching
Thanks for the review!
Man Johnny you sure know how to make a show very interesting. Even though I wasnt a huge fan, you make me want to watch it all over again.
Yo your analysis is da bomb! I loved what you covered and I totally agree! Really too bad for those who couldn't allow this to be special for them becos you're right! This absolutely is and it's so rare to have such brand new life breathed into something so balanced! Old and new, familiar and refreshing!
It was awesome!! Hope they continue it in the future
I loved this this 2 lovers coming face to face with themselves of past and present and “battling” it out just to come to the conclusion that time travel can’t fix or undo anything that you just always have to come to terms with everything and take it as it is. I know it kinda seems like predictable but I always like seeing “ego” battles played out in animation and especially the kinda follow through after the final act of the season.
The league thing was interesting, I never really thought the plan for the legue was for the exes to get Ramona back, just for Gideon to do so (seeing as he actually could) and the exes would probably get payed or smth. Mostly because of how lucas didn't really seem to care about ramona that much
Iirc, the league started off as a MySpace ad made by a drunk Gideon. I think the plan was made when he found out they all actually answered.
The glow would have been deployed anyway, but I think Gideon saw the league as a way to expedite the process.
I really liked how with Matthew, it once again gets proven that one of the most powerful things in this Universe is Self-Love/Confidence. Dude thought he beat Scott and the gained confidence from that is all he needed to be stronger than Gideon.
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Still drives me crazy people say this
I am reading the books
I do however wanted it animated at some point
do what the movie didn't get to do or skip
I do really feel the original story should be animated at one point honestly
Scott Pilgrim seems perfect for animation afterall, specially with the anime already out
Awesome insight! I felt very similar feelings when I was going through the story. You didn't mention it, but a lot of Young Neil's lines also have little quips of meta commentary on the dissimilarity of the original story and this new one, which really started planting this idea of "Oh wait, this IS a different story!" even if I hadn't consciously recognized it immediately. That same commentary also gave insight as to the writer's motivations in regards to this adaptation. IMO, Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is a rare 10/10 that feels almost effortlessly amazing.
I NEED MORE OF THIS TIMELINE OF SCOTT PILGRIM, IT WAS SO GOOD
Exactly what I thought but more eloquently put. I loved every minute of it
Great video and analysis.
Awesome keep up the good work jonny
While good, I still think that the fans deserve a proper adaptation at least once. This is like advertising Batman: Under the Red Hood as an animated adaptation and when the movie starts Batman gets both his legs broken and we follow Catwoman dealing with Gotham and Jason by herself only for Bats to return the last 10 minutes of the movie. Literally everyone would be upset about it.
Exactly
Thank you for saying this. My thoughts EXACTLY.
Knives is definitely the best character in this animation. However, I feel we also need to acknowledge the funniest guy in this show: Young Neil. Johnny Simmons has such great comedic timing and plays the idiot "savant "(emphasis on idiot) so well it's brilliant. The scene where he he asks the interviewer "who they casted to play toronto" had me in hysterics. Also, when he crashed the golf cart and admitted he actually did not know where he was.
I’m definitely 50/50 on the series. It felt like a bait and switch however, I liked the shift in focus and thought it still kept the core of what Scott Pilgrim was.
The only angle I could see it being wrong is for them to be advertising the wrong thing, getting people to by the netflix subscription for a show that wasn't real.
IM SAYING THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO REALLY LIKED THE SHOW!!
@itchybarn There's people like johnny who just can't accept the fact that people don't like being lied to and then pretentious asses like h act lile were the idiots for not liking being lied too.
@ciabatta55 You guys are sort of like Spider-man fans. Quick to call someone else pretentious, but ironically, can't handle when your favorite superhero isnt being Redone and hashed out the same way. Over, and over and over and over and over and over and over again and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
I call it the spiderman syndrome.
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You say that, but Spiderman fans loved the Miles Morales movies and are waiting eagerly for the next installment even though the core thematic argument of said films is that Miles can become worthy of the title without being a clone of his predecessors. And Miles Morales PS5 sold like hotcakes despite being a glorified $40 expansion(and that’s being generous) with a 70 dollar price tag.
Well, straw manning a completely unrelated group of fans in a way unsupported by the aforementioned statistical realities as a substitute for addressing the *substance* of the complaints of a different group of unrelated fans is certainly a novel way to approach opposing viewpoints, if nothing else.
@Sakaki98 Tons of people hate miles. Many, many fans dislike that insomniac are making him the main Spiderman going forward.
Fans also hate hollands Spiderman for being too influenced by Ironman. Garfields Spiderman received criticism for being too "handsome and cool." Fans hate the Marvel Spiderman cartoon because Peter goes to an elite school. And don't even get me started on the recent comics.
So the "Spiderman syndrome" still works 💪
I absolutely love how the entire original cast was on board to do scott pilgrim again. It makes the show feel extremely genuine because everyone is giving their all in an entirely new and different format.
Edit: Also the twins got absolutely shafted and I'm still mad
Nah twins got to sing konya wa hurricane, worth it
Honestly at this point I think it's just a running gag that the Twins get shafted. They got shafted in their own book in the original graphic novels, they got shafted in the movie, and they kind of got shafted here. At least this time we got to see that them and old Scott actually become good friends, and they play a serious role in the whole story, even if they were mostly passive about it.
The vegan robot they invented was cool and weird. Not sure how a robot can be vegan.
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Easy!
The robot has a Psychroframe which was made by Anaheim Electronics. And that component to absorb vegan powers.
Ramona changing her hair color every episode was so cool. I used to have a lot of different colors in my hair, so it made me extra nostalgic in a way
Good video. I'm also glad this didn't end up as a remake. I understand that not everyone will like it but overall, it was enjoyable.
This was a great take on a great series. Loved the video 🫰
Excellent analysis
I binged this show in one sitting and after watching your video, you've captured EXACTLY how i felt about Takes Off.
Agree with your assessment of remakes/reboots. If it's gonna be a regurgitation of the source material, I can just go back to the original. An adaptation justifies its existence by honoring the source material but exploring it in a new way that takes advantage of the medium and times you're making it in. Scott Pilgrim Takes Off totally did that! Love how it played off the movie while taking the time to explore the characters _around_ Scott more. It just makes sense that Ramona be responsible for dealing with her own exes, especially since we've already seen Scott lead (twice).
I also thought I wanted a more complete retelling of the comic going in. But because this series was so good, I now feel even more motivated to go back and check out the graphic novels
If anything it’s the marketing that is to blame for giving people false expectations
Exactly. They made the same mistake with Masters of the Universe. This trend will lead to mistrust
Exactly @@AlecEburhard
I 100% agree I actually love this new timeline wasn’t expecting it but thought it was tremendous! It would be great to see more!
this healed me so much!
Unpopular opinion--I have always felt Ramona was pretty one-dimensional in the original story. I know she was purposefully supposed to be a manic-pixie dream-girl--I just never understood how Scott and her ended up together.
I LOVE how the new show explores her past and personality more. It gave me a new appreciation for her and her relationship with Scott.
I was apprehensive of watching Scott Pilgrim Takes Off exactly because i did not want just an animated version of the comic book stories. As soon as the first evil ex fight ended, i was hooked, and knew i had to watch it through to the finale.
So glad that the creative minds behind Scott Pilgrim had such a great approach to this retelling!
This video kinda help me get passed the mix feeling ive had after finshing the seieres so thx
To be fair the title was telling us what was going to happen. Scott disappeared and I was like oh thats why it called Scott takes off. 😅
I had never consumed any Scott pilgrim media before this came out, and over the week of thanksgiving I read all six books and watched the movie, so when I started episode one and for the third time we saw Scott ordering stuff and waiting by the door, and for the third time we saw Ramona get the blanket from her bed, etc. I was just kinda bored? Doing this subversion made it SO much better
12:26 Honestly because I've always wondered how Remona knew Julie, the idea Remona meet Julie through Gideon adds up to me at least.
Bryan Lee O’Malley really shadow dropped Scott pilgrim 2 on us and we said “NO GIVE US SCOTT PILGRIM AGAIN!”
This show is was I desperately needed at this moment in my life. Such a wonderful, new story
If it was a faithful retelling, I'd be happy. It would have been so neat seeing it animated with so much added freedom.
After watching what they did, I'm very happy. The main concern, in my opinion, is that the advertising was deceptive. I don't know what the correct choice would have been because you don't want to give away any spoilers.
This series is a great addition and was a ton of fun. I was fortunate enough to be under a rock and not knowing it was happening at all. I was so pleasantly surprised and the animation is gorgeous.
I’m just happy that when Ramona fused with her future self, and became this godly apotheosis of past, present, and future, with an understanding of how and where her and Future Scott’s relationship went wrong; she didn’t just ascend to some transcendental plane of existence and leave Scott like I was worried was gonna happen.
I’m glad to see you talking about this. I already posted about this somewhere else but I don’t get the hate on the anime or the IP in general and I never will. I love the path the anime takes and it’s perfect. It didn’t need to be the comics, it needed to be its own thing and it works amazingly.
I was born in 2005, and I basicly so what grew up with scott pilgrim, and I really enjoy this version of the story it stays true to the base source and lore and yet in a way changing it to make ramona feel like a deeper more interesting character like how scott in the movie and comics basicly had to deal with his own problems and that of ramona and learning how to respect and life with himself and his mistakes making him learn how big of an asshole he was, they did a simular thing for ramona here which just works perfectly, she now has a goal to not only get scott back but also learn how to life with herself respect herself and learn to look the people she loves in the eyes and tell them she loves them and has trouble commiting to it.
Honestly, this was such a refreshing take on a reboot. I wasn't really all that interested until I saw that the story was going to be different. Ramona really deserved the narrative space this new story gave her, and it was just a great was to explore the themes and characters in a new way
Scott Pilgrim has always been a special franchise to me. I think it was the first piece of uniquely 'milennial' media I ever encountered. A story that was about and created by my generation. Something that felt true and genuine to my age group. That hit me in a special way as a teenager. And I think it was first time I read a story and really 'got' the themes and messages behind it.
I just associate every piece of it with fond memories. Sharing the books with my friends. Going to see the movie with my friends as a final goodbye before we all went off to college. Rewatching the DVD over and over with my girlfriend at the time. Staying up all night and playing the video game with my siblings over the holidays.
In the grand scheme of things, Scott Pilgrim is a pretty small franchise. One game, six comics, a movie, and now an 8 episode series. You can experience everything, absolutely everything it has to offer in a single weekend. But every single piece of it is goddamn excellent.
Finally someone feels the same way I do toward the Scott pilgrim franchise. I’m a millennial born in 1994, this price of entertainment speaks to me more and more as time passes by. To me this was the first movie to make “nerd culture” cool to me in the early 2010s.
Imagine thinking you can tell somebody what they should do with their intellectual property.
If fans who seem hell bent on beig miserable over everything that changes then maybe they shouid scrap their own money together to make their own media instead of waiting for someone else to do it. They won't they dont care.
This is what happens when you mistake having a negative opinion on media for a perosnality. *Take something randomly specific that you don't like and nake it your entire personality*
While I was hoping it would be a faithful retelling, I was also glad to get a fresh new take that was still really good in its own right. Feels like a pseudo-happy ending for the first season where Scott didn't have to off Ramona's evil exes (for now) and that Ramona learned something that her past incarnations didn't so that history hopefully doesn't repeat itself.
I love when stories grow up with their audience, sure the original is a timeless classic but this new spin is totally welcomed for me, loved seeing Ramona dealing with her past now that she has matured enough to recognize her own shortcomings.
I’ve loved Scott pilgrim since its inception and the fact we got NEW things to love and learn is such gift
I guess I’m pretty lucky and/or the circles I frequent are that good, but I haven’t encountered any negativity towards this series so far. Everyone seems to love it - me included.
The creator saw that none of his audience know how to read subtext so they decided to make the story a new with just text.
What I liked about the anime is that they didn't change any character at all, every character feels the same, but with a little bit more depth, subverting plot is okay, but its the characters we fell in love with when we saw the movie or read the comics. The story can be different even with the same characters, and this show tells us how to do it effectively
Lol I feel like "antidote for reboot culture" is a perfect way to sum up this series. Like many others, I was hoping/looking forward to this series being a more faithful adaptation of the graphic novels. However, I agree that what we got instead was alot better and miles more profound than if we just got another regurgitated version of the source material. Personally, I felt that Scott Pilgrim Takes Off was a perfect combination of the best aspects of both the graphic novel and film versions. And yes, while it is very different, I still felt that the new series still kept, at its heart, what I've personally thought the whole series has been about since the very beginning: our relationships/connections with the ones we love/care about and having the understanding and maturity to be better people for them. Cause while falling in love is great, it doesn't mean a whole hell of alot if you can't be there for them financially, mentally, and most importantly, emotionally.
This was great! Loved the series🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
This might be the third time, but there are so many moments, characters, and plotlines in the books that we've never seen in any other media.
I think the argument for being open only goes so far: If someone legitimately doesn't like the series after watching, then reflecting, and it's for a reasonable reason like mentioned above, I think it's just a difference in opinion at the end of the day.
Honestly if you go in knowing it’s a completely different story, then I think you’d enjoy it.
it was so good, as much as I would have loved the same story but animated, I'm happy with what we got. it not only is good on its own but really adds to what we've already gotten. a great addition to what's already there and elevates that experience even more when enjoying them both together.
I watched the first episode and didn’t really know how to feel about it. I kinda needed a video like this.
I watched your video and Mothers Basements video about the show and I like how he put it in his review “The show is still about Scott and Ramona but instead of being the subject of the piece Scotts now the object of desire for Ramona whose more like the main subject”. They basically switched the two protagonists places and it’s still about Scott and Ramona.
I really loved the show, and while I’m not gonna say I’m not sad that I’ll probably get a 100 percent faithful retelling in animation, I think this is better, it’s a fucking awesome sequel to one of my favorite pieces of fiction. That’s great.
I'm just happy to see other people who like it. I marathoned it this weekend and just saw posts bitching about it. I genuinely enjoyed it.