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Suggest a topic for next Monday's video!
Something about the names of different sodas or drinks in general.
I want to hear your opinion on Curious Archive's vid of Dragon Paradox and his take on it.
How movies got there names
Gimmick dance crazes of yesteryear.
Names of Shoes.
This is like getting upset that someone called your Labrador a dog.
Well, there's good reason since Labrador is clearly a peninsula 😂
Don’t get me started!!!
It’s more like calling a Coyote a Wolf. If you don’t know your wild canines then you could be forgiven, but if you know even a few details it’s obvious they’re vastly different animals.
@@joeleoleo Dragon is the equivalent word for "wild canines" in this comparison.
Actually, I think an even more apt analogy would be saying "That's not a whale, it's a dolphin". Yes, technically it's a dolphin, and many people do use the term "whale" in ways that explicitly exclude dolphins, etc, but also, according to other equally legitimate (or arguably more legitimate) ways of categorizing things, _dolphins are just a particular kind of whale_ (they are all cetaceans).
An argument could be had that modern language have made the term "dragon" mean all of them - just like not all turtles are tortoises, but all turtles are turtles. You even use it that way too during the video
Did you mean to write that all tortoises are turtles? Looks to me as if that's the case, but I have no idea if such a statement would be correct.
Yeah. Technically speaking, any monstrous reptile can be deemed a dragon
Yeah we could say it like: Every Wyvern is a Dragon but not every "dragon" is a wyvern kind of thing
@@callnight1441 We see even some less reptile like creatures be called a dragon
It's the other way around. From a mythological perspective, they're all dragons. Pretty much every book on mythological creatures will have 'dragon' as the overarching category, and then talk about how the limb arrangement determines whether it's a wyvern, drake, linnorm, or other type. In fact, as you go back further, folklore will describe things quite a bit weirder as a dragon, like the tarrasque and peluda that were more tortoise-like, and the original drakon was something that "that's not a dragon!" people would call a wyrm.
The current (and ridiculous) argument "that's a wyvern, not a dragon" is a relatively recent thing, mostly coming out D&D's classification of the four-legs-and-wings Colour Coded By Breath Weapon Type dragons as 'true dragons' (even if in later editions, the 'dragon' subtype still applies to wyverns and other related creatures), which then carried on through much of the rest of modern fantasy applying D&D's designations. Some people invoke British heraldric designations to justify the argument, which does use 'dragon' for four legs and 'wyvern' for two - but that's because heraldric descriptions need to be unambiguous, and 'wyvern' for the two-legged version is understandably better than using 'drake' for the four-legged version. And I'd bet that nobody would be caring about those heraldric designations if they hadn't already been primed by D&D monster manuals.
(Which is also why everyone thinks the most dangerous feature of a basilisk is petrification, but that's another gripe entirely...)
Drake? Nah mate, that doesn't breathe fire - it goes quack 🦆
"These kinds of dragons are actually called wyverns. A wyvern is a dragon with two legs and wings."
So you yourself call them a particular type of dragon...
He seems to be rationalizing it, and not using it like that, so far
To me a dragon is an overaching term for many fantasy magical raptilian creatures; wyvern, Chinese dragons etc are types of dragons. I don't think it should matter.
Exactly, it's too late to try to subcategorize and exclude, we've been calling all these different things dragons, so they're dragons.
Personally I don't like it because how unimaginative and washed out it is. Almost any scaled creature these days can be called dragon.
Calling them Wyverns or Drakes instantly produces more vivid imagery if you're reading a book for instance.
Maybe, but in year of our lord 2024 I am only now ascertaining that this is a Wyvern, *shruggles*
This is a very modern fantasy view of dragons. It's part of the larger trend that is the DnDification of fantasy, where traditional fantasy elements are being subcategorized to an extent that they never were in the past because of the popularity of DnD. If you look at older depictions of dragons, they all had wildly different traits but all got called a dragon. Just look at the many medieval art pieces of St. George and the Dragon to get a glimpse at the diversity of depictions. Some of those depictions have four legs, others have two, and some none at all. They may or may not have wings, and if there are, you could see either reptilian or birdlike wings. These differences go on and on, but you never see any of them called St. George and the Wyvern/Lindworm/Drake/Wyrm/True Dragon/etc.
totally agree. Its like demanding Tolkiens definition of orcs apply to all fantasy universes with orcs.
Yeah, I think this video (and lots of other people) really completely miss the point that *these terms mean different things depending on the world/context they are used in.* You cannot just say "this is what term X means" and have it apply to everything everywhere, because *nobody has ever agreed to that* to begin with. "Dragon" has historically meant drastically different things to different people. And in some fantasy worlds, "dragon" might even mean something with _six_ legs. In some other fantasy worlds, "dragons" canonically look just like humans do. It all depends on the mythology and cultures involved what the word actually means.
@@foogod4237 Sure, it still makes Alduin or Smaugh not a wyvern, though.
In german mythology there is the "Lindwurm" (engl. "Lindworm"). It has mostly two legs, but more were "possible". And it has no or short wings.
It plays a rather big role in heraldry.
In Dutch "lintworm" means "tapeworm", but I don't know if this has any relation with "lindwurm", as "lint" is the common dutch word for "ribbon"
@@rovanderby759
As I read, "lint" is a old-high-german word, too. When I remember correctly, it means "snake" or "serpent".
Wrong? What authority has determined what is correct?
Pedantic heraldry nerds and later pedantic D&D Nerds.
Getting this into what we should or shouldn't call dragons is kinda goofy, for so many reasons...
Also, even the examples used: Smaug, Drogon, Alduin, they have a ton of differences between them and lumping them all into the same group solely based on the number of legs that they have is silly, that's like saying "a human is so much closer to a snake than lizards would be, since humans have less legs", all three dragons breathe fire, two of them can speak, one of them is capable of outright using a form of magic, I've never seen any true Wyvern depiction do any of these, in every setting they appear in they're always non-intelligent, mostly non-magical and always using some sort of venom rather than fire.
But, at the end of the day, whatever people living in a world with magical creatures chose to call them is up to them, we decided to call a literal lizard a Komodo DRAGON, which is totally fine cos it has 4 legs so it's basically the same as an actual dragon, right?
Wyverns are dragons
I used to have a worm farm and would pretend to be Morgoth nurturing an unholy army of darkness when I gave them the scraps.
Me time traveling to the ancient Chinese calligrapher that he’s actually writing about a drake and not a dragon before I get arrested by eunuchs instead of people.
why would fictional animals from fictional universes adhere to naming conventions from other fictional universes?.
This is like demanding Tolkiens definition of orcs apply to all fantasy universes with orcs.
Im so tired from this argument. They are all dragons, we can call them how ever we want. I get so tired of the guy that always say “do you know that’s actually a wyvern”. No, its fantasy, they can all be dragons. Please stop
People make language, let stop this pointless argument
So, we can call a Tangerine, "Orange"?
@@NetarAltAccording to OP's logic as I understand it? Yes.
@@NetarAlt Unfortunately for your analogy, the term "dragon" would be much closer to "fruit" than "tangerine" or "orange". We put all kinds of creatures into the same category of "dragons" even if they have little to nothing in common. From classic winged lizards to east Asian snake-like creatures to the fluffy dog-like being from the Neverending Story. The major difference between dragons and tangerines is that one of those doesn't exist in reality and trying to classify it by some arbitrary characteristics is meaningless. In every fictional world and story, a dragon is whatever the writer wants it to be.
In Mapuche mythology (indigenous people of Chile) a legend says that there were two giant snakes, Caicai Vilu, which was aquatic, and Trentren Vilu, which was terrestrial. The legend says that in their fight they gave the geographical characteristics of Chile, the mountain range, volcanoes, earthquakes and a long coast.
That's why my dog's name is Drake. He has no wings
"Dragon" has been used for great, powerful, often magical and reptilian beings.
Long? Like ”Jake Long: American Dragon”? DRAGON UP!
you could say it's *like a dragon*
To be honest this discussion is kinda meaningless they are all draconic criatures this are just names for different types , dragon in myth not even are know to breath fire they are much closer to water the chinese dragons may feel strange because of their original name but they still have the same link to snakes and water as european dragons , this is the same thing as gods/spirits from different mythologies they look a little different have different names but they are the same kind of mythological being
Thanks for this upload. Not sure how I can use this information but I appreciate you taking the time to educate us all. 😂❤. I nominate that we continue to use Dragon as an umbrella term for all the aforementioned varieties. ❤
We called two creatures from the West and East, which objectivley have nothing to do with each other, by the same name
The definitions obviously don't count if both the Welsh Dragon and the Chinese one are meant to be the same thing
Dragon is a catch-all term for these powerful vaguely reptilian mythological creatures. The only real criteria to be a dragon is to have dragon vibes.
Pedantic subcategories don't change that fact.
Dragons are dragons, whether wyvern or wyrm, western or eastern, ruthless or friendly.
@Luchabul Red from OSP did a good Trope Talk video on Dragons. One of the points raised was that one doesn't even need to be reptilian, as we have ordinary (for their settings) humans who have the titles of "Dragon". Ultimately, all that matters to be a dragon is power and the ability to project it. Or as you phrased it rather succinctly "have dragon vibes".
@@ckl9390 I know exactly what video your talking about
Yeah, sorry but I just can't get too wound up about this. Wyverns, wyrms, drakes etc. are all just types of dragons.
Yes. Just like how theropods, sauropods, ornithopods, etc are all just types of dinosaurs.
Technically speaking, the term "Dragon" can be seen as an umbrella-term to refer to any monstrous reptile. The way cultures have viewed them can be very drastic. The original greek "Drakon" refered to a large serpent, so the earliest european depictions of Dragons were more serpentine. European Dragons being "four legged with two wings" is more of a high-late medieval thing
Originally, "dragon" had no legs and no wings. They were serpentine mythical creatures and only later depictions added legs and later wings.
I think the reason we have people insisting pf using this word so rigidly is that we have already all sorts of word for different types pf dragons, mostly based on the amount of limbs, yet we don't have a spesific word for the "classic" four legs and two wings dragon and it is also what most people imagine nowadays when you say dragon.
Haha. IMO fantasy animals are fluid. A dragon and a wyvern are the same thing. Also, I call a goat that has one horn a unicorn. (And you cannot stop me)
Best Dragons - Puff, the Magic Dragon, and the Parent and Child Dragon in Ivor The Engine (the small one lived in Ivor's Firebox).
Sorry hombre but imma keep calling all of them dragons still
The two Chinese dragons at 5:20 have four legs each, and I'm not aware of any depiction of Chinese dragons with more than four legs. The legs are simply represented in positions different from a typical "European" quadruped pattern.
The diversity of dragons is diverse for a reason (and you forgot to mention the multiple headed ones). It is quite typical for a cultural phenomena to get multiple versions and local variants like this. The distinction between types was made by people who wanted things neatly categorized, long after most dragon myths came to be.
When playing monster hunter on the 3ds,I noticed this distinction where all dragons and wyverns are identified correctly where wyverns have a total of 4 appendiges and elder dragons have 6 appendiges
Go listen to Marlene Dietrich singing Puff the Magic Dragon like she met him in a br**hel just behind the front lines in WW1.
It's been 50 years or more but I think I remember Tolkein calling Smaug a "worm" at some point although I don't recall the spelling he used.
Im portuguese the term sérpe exists for wyvern but the english name is more famous and more used for them. But most people call them dragões portuguese for dragons.
I absolutely hate this ridiculous non-argument. Wyverns are obviously dragons in every sense of the word. Narrowing the term down to specifically mean quadrupedal dragons is nonsensical pedantry and intellectually dishonest. You even call them dragons consistently throughout this video while claiming they're "not dragons".
5:42 Using the word “Loong” gets quite political, as the party recently announced to change the name of the Chinese dragon into “Loong” amid this yr’s zodiac🐲. Also to Cantonese speakers, it sounded quite inauspicious. As it is a homonym of “燶 (high flat tone)” when spoken in accented English, meaning being burnt and things turning sour. We even joked around this new name for a bit in Feb this yr🤡.
Okay, now I gotta go back and watch Merlin again, because it has a dragon as a character, and in one episode, they also mention wyvern I'll have to start counting legs. I thought wyvern were just smaller than dragons.
Then there is Pokemon, where a tree and an apple pie count as dragons.
Dragons are dragons
If you are a true dragon fan, you understand that dragons nomenclature is a fan thing but can't be taken seriouslly.
I mean the definition of "Dragon" is pretty much ambiguous and can mean a lot of diferent creatures depending on culture, I mean Fafnir is a dragon but we also define Orochi and Quetzalcoatl as some kind of dragon even tho they are VERY different
Im gonna start calling western dragons as Western Long
Long is also used in names of many dinosaurs, the fossils of which were found in China. Dilong (emperor dragon) is the genus name of a small tyrannosauroid with feathers, full name Dilong paradoxus. Wulong bohaiensis (dancing dragon of Bohai) is another small feathered dinosaur.
Tolkien described Dragons as Great Worms, of two kinds: - the fire-drakes, and the cold-drakes. He said many could fly. So there's another can of worms for you :-)
Hey, Patrick!
That topic was fire, pun intended!
Mythical worlds are indeed rich in very specific terminology and I'm sure you could do a full video for each but I'm not here for that now...
You're looking for more topics, I have one for you!
Sorry if I'm not a Patron, I can't afford it on my minimal pension.
Anyway, here it is:
_Have you noticed that some English words are systematically pronounced wrong, not for lack of education but because, somehow the wrong version sounds nicer or rolls off the tongue better? It's as if, intuitively, we feel the word is missing something or contains an forced pause._
I can think of a few examples but there are a lot more:
• Omnious instead of Ominous } the letters "i" and "n" are inverted;
• Mischievious instead of Mischievous } an extra "i" is added (it actually sounds more "mischievious" when the extra "i" is added...) ;
• Aeroplane instead of Airplane } "i" becomes an "e" and "o" added after the "r".
And, to conclude, here is a very old one both my grannies used to utter:
• Telly-o-phone instead of Telephone.
There are so many more, but you get the picture...
And if that category of names hasn't been given a proper name, maybe you can christen it: "The Foote Family of words"!
Thanks again for your great topics and explanations!
Keep up the fun of learning!
Funnily enough aeroplane is the original word! The North American airplane is a deliberate alteration based on the word air.
I guess you've never heard of the Komodo Dragon that lives on 4 islands in Indonesia! So a male duck is called a "dragon"?
One of my favorite "dragons" is actually a amphitere, but since he's technically a Japanese river spirit, he can take on other forms as well. 😉
And that's where we get the Dutch name for them from as well, "Draak" in general.
Don't know if there are any subdivisions or other names for them 🤔
And the "worm" or "wurm as well, like in regenworm, or regenwurm...
Also, would you count hydras in this? I would never call a hydra a dragon but if we're lumping them together
Ptera - Wing
Pterodactyl - Winged Finger
Archeopteryx - Winged birdlike dinosaur
Helicopter - Helical wing
Pterygium - Wing like membrane growth on eye.
What about the Medieval French Tarasque? It counted as a dragon but it's most reptilian feature was it's turtle shell. It had six legs, no wings, and was mostly mammalian. Historically, dragon really just seemed to be any overly powerful monster that couldn't clearly be categorised as something else.
Also, it seems that the term Dragon is as broadly applicable as the term Dinosaur. You had various body-plan lineages with many species amongst them, but were a different and distinct group from reptiles who existed beside them. It would be more appropriate to come up with a term for the Welsh Dragon four-legged two-winged body plan, as everything else seems to have, and let the term Dragon remain a general term for the whole phylum.
Dragons are cool
That, is basically it. They are all dragons essentially because they all feel like dragons
That's the most wholesome comment below this video.
The hood of a cobra can also be called "wings".
I would wonder what terms are for half-dragons (official, not proprietary, so not mining D&D terminology, for instance), and whether there are different types (more human, more draconic, winged or not, etc.).
Not this again. Dragons have been depicted in many different ways, so the term "dragon" refers to many things.
Attempts to depict a "realistic" dragon usually result in two legged-creatures, because there is not a single existing animal anywhere that has four legs and can fly.
If anything, the dragon with four legs should be called the "Heraldic Dragon", since flags and crests is where those are most common.
The whole "real dragons vs wyvern"-debate stopped 5 years ago because the "wyverns are the superior dragon"-side of the debate won.
A perfect video just after the Year of the Dragon
DRAG ON FOREVER!
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I wanted 4 Dragonesque creatures - Dragon, Wyvern, Griffin and apparently there is a Chinese (?Indian?) Serpant with wings that I forget the name of but that would complete the set.
Isn't the classification for like heraldry or something? Sure it's neat for a setting where that kind of variety exists (like The Witcher, though most draconids in The Witcher are the two-legs-two-wings kind and only one of them is called wyvern), but in settings like asoiaf or The Elder Scrolls where only one type of draconic creature exists, it feels like a missed opportunity to not call it a dragon.
(The Chinese dragon is obviously not a name from European heraldic terminology even if the others might be (I don't know, it's what I heard but haven't been able to verify), it's just "something snakey and powerful from another culture so we'll call it a dragon and specify which culture")
As a fantasy game guy, my head definitions are close to this but not exact.
True dragon: Massive size, four legs, wings, sentient intelligence (possibly able to speak), breath weapon
Wyvern: Smaller than a true dragon, two legs, wings, bestial intelligence, no breath weapon.
Drake: Smaller wyvern
Wurm: Enormous size, no legs, no wings, bestial intelligence, no breath weapon.
An Amphiptere I know as a Fairy Dragon, small size, no legs, wings, sentient intelligence (and may be able to speak), may or may not have breath weapon.
Wyrm: Catch-all that may apply to any of these, especially if you're not sure which you're dealing with.
I've known the difference between true dragons and wyverns since I was 15 (40+ years). I've also played a LOT of Skyrim, but I never spotted that they were wyverns. I guess I was too immersed‽ Not much later I learned the differences between ki-rin/ki-lin (transliteration is fiddly) and lóng. Ki-rin are kind of an unicorn offshoot of lóng.
Ahh yes, Schmowk.
Didnt expect you to wade into the Drake controversy...
You should have put Drake in the title for the algorithm 😅
An Asian dragon ( not just Chinese) is linked to both mythology and culture unlike European dragons which are mostly mythology and fantasy. Asian dragons tend to be associated with lightning and water and fly on their own
The Bhutanese king is literally called Druk Galpa, or the Dragon King and there is a cool dragon on the flag. The Malay-Indonesian word is Naga, which is a snake like being that sometimes has a human upper body and sometimes not
I've always felt "dragon" is the broad term for any larger monstrous lizard like fantasy creature and all the other names are subtypes that still fit under the broad dragon classification. I think the main issue is the fact that the traditional 4 limbs 2 wings dragon don't have a sub name, they are just only called dragon.
A close real world example would be say instead of being called T-Rex they were just called "Dinosaur." And all other types of dinosaurs were still dinosaurs but also still had their proper name. Then we'd have arguments like we have with dragons.
"My favorite dinosaur is a Triceratops."
"Um actually only dinosaurs that look like [describes a T-Rex] are Dinosaurs, a triceratops is technically something else."
Lol. Nah, man. A dragon is a dragon if the story says so. Just like Alolan Exeggutor is a dragon because its a dragon within the story it's from.
It’s not a dragon, it’s a dragon TYPE. Although it might actually be a dragon too because it’s based off of a disguised dragon iirc
I'm gonna produce an indie film called wyvern, and its gonna be about a giant amphibian that glides like a flying squirrel and its gonna be called a _wivurn_ the entire time, and its gonna be so popular that normies will think the correct description of a wyvern is a giant salamander with a patagium,
And its gonna take place in the lost city of ys
And the hero and the villain fight over whether its pronounced ee-ss or ice, but then the people living there say welcome to iss
Thank you! This bothers me so much and wyverns and other types of dragons need some love in fic
Dragons are dragons end of story. this video is basically the same as saying that "crows are not birds, they are crows". yes, they are crows, but a crow is just one of many bird species. this is the same level of arrogance as if someone said "humans are not animals". Yes, they are animals, but very intelligent ones*.
Although I agree with you that this is being pedantic, I find your simile (and a previous one regarding dog vs Labrador) to be not very apt because there is no specific bird called "a bird", the only meaning for the word refers to birds in general. Similarly, there is no specific animal known as just an animal (except for the Muppet that goes by that name). On the other hand, "dragon" can refer to both the larger group of mythical scaly creatures and more specifically to the 4-leg 2-wing variety.
@@kevinmartin7760 that depends, admittedly. but a dragon is a dragon no matter what. that is my opinion. classification is useful but in the end a bird is a bird and a dragon is a dragon, when someone says bird it brings to mind wings, feathers and a beak, when someone says dragon it depends a lot on the culture / popular culture what kind of image comes to mind. but I don't want to fight for nothing, at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinion. but anyway, thank you for the very deep comment. have a nice day ! bye!
A closer analogy might be "lizard" since they're multiple reptile groups.
Or perhaps "fish"
For my entire life I've always distinguished between dragons, drakes, wyverns, wyrms and longs. I call all of them dragons too.
I've always thought dragons are so much cooler than wyverns as they look stronger, sturdier and more stable.
"Dragons aren't real"?! Tell that to the folks at Komodo.
Disappointed you didn't mention Sir Francis Drake; the Spanish called him "the Dragon". Which makes total sense. Also Draco Malfoy in Harry Potter immediately clues the reader in to his evil.
I won't blame anyone for referring to wyverns as dragons or similar cases. I believe dragon is like an umbrella term to describe a type of creature, with variations within the said term. Kinda like how the term "dinosaur" can be used to refer to all manner of creatures.
This is pretty pedantic for you still gave you a like and it was a good video. But i agree with most other people on here that Dragon is now more a general term like saying that dog is cute instead of saying the breed. But since we're on this path, maybe a look into different names for swords in history if you haven't done that, I don't remember if you had.
But in the past the definition of dragons was very vague, they practically called any big monster which had stuff in common with snakes. Infact the earlyest dragons had no legs and were just big snakes.
There are stories of shapeshifting attached to both Eastern and Western Dragons.
Basically all Dragons can be Wyverns , but not all Wyverns can be Dragons 🤔
Power Ranger has an understanding of what a dragon is that can either be a borderline actionable ripoff of MechaGodzilla or an obscure species of pterosaur
All crocodiles are crocodiles, but not all crocodiles are crocodiles
I like feline faced Tatzelwurm of the alps
Reading the title I thought: »Of course it's ›Eldra‹, and ›Farodra‹, and not ›Dinraal‹, or ›Farosh‹…«
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This isn't a type of dragon but a translation from Finnish to English : lohi = salmon, käärme = snake, lohikäärme = dragon 😀
True dragons kinda don't make biological sense. No animal in nature has 2 wings and 4 legs. I'm writing a fantasy novel and among the many mythical beasts in it are:
Wyverns - GoT-style dragons, 2 wings and 2 legs
Drakes - based on East Asian long, 4 legs (and can't fly because physics)
Wyrms - based on Southeast Asian naga, no legs
And I categorise them ALL as dragons because the idea is they have a common ancestor but evolved to have different combinations of wings and legs as they migrated further.
I like mušḫuššu or mushkhushshu from ancient Mesopotemia.
Smaug (pronounced "smog" and not "schmowwg") from the 70s animated version of _The Hobbit_ is a legitimate and classic dragon: treasure hoarding, fat, lazy, and with six limbs and an ego the size of the moon. He is one of my favorite dragons. Draco from _Dragonheart_ is also a true dragon, along with Pyre from _Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog._
I guess you never watched orphen the sorcerous stabber
Words are containers for, rather than essential to, meaning; words describe material reality but are not essential to material reality's existence. Which is why meanings of words are so elastic, contracting and expanding all the time, as you demonstrate in this video by use of the word "dragon" to describe "wyvern." Your pet peeve concerning the word, "dragon" is not an objective rationale for policing the word's meaning according to your subjective opinion as to the "rightness" or "wrongness" of its use.
Dragons are an overarching term for giant fucking lizards. Technically, Dinosaurs are Dragons - theyre Drakes, or wingless Dragons.
Technically correct, as the direct translation of dinosaur in chinese and japanese is "Scary Dragon"
@@dragorine the fact is we have dragons, theyre either just bones or they evolved into birds.
my question is what do the Chinese call European dragons?
Birds and pterosaurs are wyverns. Change my mind. Snakes are wyrms, pollywogs are lindworms.
Sorry, I only accept definitions of dragons and wyverns that put Rathalos and Alduin in diferent groups. Rathalos is absolutely a wyvern and arguing that Alduin is not a dragon is bonkers. It's true that chinese dragons are very divorced from the context and probably shouldn't count, but at this point I think it's not really that possible to steer away from it anymore.
A few power metal bands may want to talk with you...
Now do hedgehogs.
where did the word OM/AUM/ॐ came from
Thanks for great video again.
Glad to hear I'm not only one who gets annoyed by modern way of calling every big scaled creature as "dragon"!
Finnish modern name for dragon btw is lohikäärme. Which literally means salmon-snake.
There's also old word kokkolintu, which seems like it's used for dragon like creature, but it would literally mean firebird... I'm not well read enough to say if whether "bird" there just refers that it can fly, or if relating it to dragon is anachronistic and it actually meant just large fiery bird.
Science actually does this sort of thing when naming species such as Dilong paradoxus (a species of basal tyrannosauroid with the word long meaning dragon or really any positive or noble mythological beast) and Thanatosdrakon amaru (an Azhdarchid pterosaur).
We call non-dragon things dragons because the word no matter what culture puts a lot of emphasis on their power.
Technically it's actually the old way. The differentiation is a modern thing based on heraldry and now DnD.
@@nealjroberts4050 "Afterwards, four-legged dragons become increasingly popular in heraldry and become distinguished from the two-legged kind during the sixteenth century, at which point the latter kind becomes commonly known as the "wyver" and later "wyvern".[9]"
Dennys, Rodney (1975). The Heraldic Imagination
I don't know what you define "modern"?
@@jhutt8002
Modern in historical terms usually means post reformation.
But glad your quote proves my point about dragons being an older general term.
@@nealjroberts4050I didn't mean modern in historical terms, just the way people use the word current day and age.
1:10 Four legs (comma) and wings. not 4 legs and 4 wings
Who tf said I'm not real
Is Nessie a dragon? 😁
0:35 BS, saw one yesterday, was quite friendy actually
Drogon is a dragon, in game of thrones there are wyverns and dragons. George Martin decided to give dragons in GOT 2 legs because all animals in real life that has wings don't have four legs, infact the thing that separates dragons and wyverns in GOT is that wyverns are smaller and don't breath fire out. So when people say this about drogon and sunfire and baleroin and etc that they are not dragons are rather ignorant in reasoning of why they are what they are.
Gut reaction: Loong, which is a recent renaming of the Chinese Dragon #loong #龍 #龙