It was simply to destabilise the car to rotate it quicker to get a better exit. He didnt drive with a raikkonen-esque sharp front end, instead a more neutrally balanced setup giving him the possibility to adjust the car according to the corner.
I think he just drove with a feeling of grip that 99% couldn't. His right foot and arse where perfectly in sync. A race car is always fastest at the absolute limit and a driver who can ride the edge like he does are rare... Max is the modern example but Max has been wrapped in a modern safety bubble that sadly Senna wasn't lucky enough to have.
Senna style wouldn’t work in a modern F1 car, but it’d be interesting to see how he would adapt. Michael struggled to adapt to the 2010 cars, being told to stop doing his braking technique over the radio on numerous occasions.
Senna is the epitome of driving with your butt dyno. Amazing in the rain. Like he was driving on ice even on dry tarmac, keep the car constantly at the limit of grip.
He was using it as traction control. In addition to being able to grab another mph or more through a corner, Senna would pop the throttle to keep the car on the limits of grip so that he could always feel when to pin it again. It was traction control.
I started doing this in sim racing and it actually works like a charm, it helps turn the car a little bit more and also you get a feel for when the car has enough grip coming out of the corner and you can get a better acceleration plus it sounds cool
Have you ever noticed that for motorbikes they tend to have better controllability of acceleration out of corners with engines with uneven (unbalanced) firing order than engines with even firing orders. It is suspected that it behaves similar to ABS in that it's easier to keep it closer to the point of traction if you have a period (even a short period) of time where traction can be regained.
@@markrichards5928 It wasn't passive aggressive, I couldn't understand what you were getting at. No, it isn't to with revving; in fact even firing order engines tend to (on the whole) produce more power for their mass. The advantage that uneven firing order has (even with lower power) is that there is larger period of time where torque isn't applied and so the tire has time to regain grip, and ofc more grip means better acceleration. From the perspective of the rider it feels like the bike has more grip and is more forgiving, which then means the rider finds it easier to find the edge of adhesion.
@@TankEnMate interesting, thanks Tank I appreciate your response. Your first reply really did come across as passive aggressive, I even asked someone else in the room what they thought. Maybe 98 other people wouldn’t agree?? Anyway apologies and again, thanks for the reply
He played with throttles and brakes same time. Enter, middle and exit the corners. He does it pretty good. Once he feel the car sticks, slam the throttle to shoot out.
Gilles was a great instinctive driver very fast ,he drove the wheels of that Ferrari. Sadly he was terrible at setting up a car for a race . If he peeked over the fence at his team mate Jody Schekter who knew how to set a car up and won championship at Ferrari . Who knows how great Gilles would have been
This is probably not the most accurate proof, but I've used this technique in sim racing and generally find it to be quicker than taking a corner with a more normal approach. Of course you do have to be able to control the car when it gets destabilized, and in certain cars that destabilization is very difficult to deal with.
The mid corner stabbing technique is a carryover from go-carting to get more turn and keep speed at the cost of a little rubber. It’s a carting hack all f1 drivers know.
I’ve really been liking Ben Davis. Interesting that he made the role of the Stig, which was a role they made this way as all they needed was a guy that can drive consistently fast, but didn’t need on that could talk. He’s showing that he could have learned to talk back then too. For show fans that always hear from guests raving about how amazing the Stig was to work with….it was this guy.
to me senna lightly overspeed into the corner, so the car will go wide out. to rotate the car and avoid the understeer, he stab the throttle to brake the rear axel traction and make the rear slide out. the stab is needed to avoid to spin out, he just need some degree of rotation. while the speed raise in exiting the corner the frequency of the stabbing slow down and he start to floor it. so basically he sort of power over the corner to try to stay on the line even if he normally should be running wide.
all this "analysis" is bollocks, all senna was doing was going round the corner as fast as possible, on the limit of grip. schumacher did the same. there are videos showing the trace of acceleration, speed, steering, braking, and time.
@@percyveer2355 you are pointing out the obvious gentleman... idk any driver that try to clear the corner as slow as possible. what is interesting is trying to guessing how they made it. is not a question of pure grip, not at that level. they play with the grip in order to barely loose it to stay on the line and then try to maximise it on the exit. some driver achieve faster entry,other faster exit.... some magically take a bit more on the entry and a bit more in the exit, and that 's is the big trick
@@percyveer2355 what was that? there's no elements to discuss in your reply.... if you prefer i can say "no, you are" but that's a childish way to reply. Give me something or stfu.
@@AaaBbb-ff1pn read your previous reply. guessing is not analysis. your original comment said absolutely nothing, provided no insight or anything interesting.
I'll go out on a limb and say that Senna didn't know exactly why this worked either. If he knew, he wouldn't have shut up about it. The man was a talker. His driving technique and skills catered for cars that needed to be driven not "on" the absolute limit, but over and around it. Like go karts. But why did that work, we don't know yet.
Its funny when people talk of "The racing line" and the various techniques to drive fast for us laymen. What is painfully obvious is that F1 drivers and other top racing drivers, do so many things that are entirely different to "the norm". Senna, Schumacher, Andretti, Stewart, Clark, Fangio, they all had techniques that were not in the book.
Stamping on the throttle mid corner, is definitely faster on exit, providing you have the skill and reaction to catch it on full throttle as you exit, timing is paramount
Ohh good to know that I'm not crazy in thinking occasionally it makes sense to do that. It probably causes a bit more tire wear, but if the tire is sufficiently durrable to tolerate it, it might help keep you in the power band.
If the rear starts to break away you are already coming off the throttle when you blip it that way. It's used in dirt biking. You are always on the limit off traction.
It was actually to spin the wheels up in the corner to “drift” (not drifting tho obviously) his car into a better position when coming out of the corner. Absolutely crazy but it works (Hitting the gas on a corner is a easy way to spin out)
I remember i was out karting once and i think i did the same cause it felt natural, dunno how it would work in a modern setting tho, in a rwd car it would make sense as you can give it some rotation
slip angle, steering with throttle and brake, keep steering loose, become the car, suddenly you are faster than everyone else and the car drives itself slow is smooth, and smooth is fast
He was a 100% right, because that's how I went on my races on Forza 😊 ben you are awesome. A real professional racing driver in your own right. And your content is amazing everytime. Thanks Ben.
I believe that Senna was stabbing the throttle for psychological and philosophical reasons... I will try to explain in short... From what I see in videos, Senna was very calm in certain areas of tracks with godly like power. As soon as he entered the car its like a spirit takes over whilst he is one with the car. Basically he became completely present and through presence focus is very sharp, but at the same time calm, which also evolves into great anticipation. This is what i meant above by the word philosophical. If some of us reading this has gone through some practical philosophy, understand presence and understand the power of now, will understand better what is happening. On the other hand when it comes to corners maybe he was a little less confident, therefore less present, which he compensated by being more active with his body, which gives the false idea that he was in control. Basically i think he knew his weaknesses, and he compensated like so - stabbing the throttle - fooling his mind that he is in control. This is what i meant by the word psychological. This also probably means that when we flow and be totally present, our mind doesn't really need to give much input. It all happens naturally kind of. Actually the more input from the mind the more interruption there will be. In fact, most of the time, the limitation is our own mind sending interruptions by being afraid. So, if the above is true, this also means that what he was doing might not have been technical at all, which also means that his style might not match yours. I think that's why driving is beautiful, because whatever you learn, it's more about adjusting the learning to your style / fears. There cannot be one driver same like the other. Those that try to be so will be the ones not winning. My point is, although Senna was super good, trying to copy him might not lead you to success, however learning from his psychology/philosophy is definitely a benefit. Through presence you can achieve things that you didn't know you have the power to achieve. Obviously the above might be true or not, but that's what is interesting... to keep the mind active and looking for solutions... The reason might sound complex but also very simple. Usually things are simpler than we think. We tend to think that the reason is much more complex, because since he was so successful it has to be complex right!? I see Senna as a positive individual with the huge ability to be present, and this is why people loved him (me included) and upon his passing away all the world mourned so deeply. He was simply an inspiration to life, enhancing everyone's life that watched him. This was done through racing (material), but i believe that his real purpose and passion was to enhance everyone's life through complete presence (spiritual). I believe that this is our purpose over here... enhancing humanity by unconditional love and presence. Material things and materialistic achievements are secondary. I also believe that through the above concept you can reach anything, but only when the real purpose starts from being good to yourself internally and then extend the goodness to any kind of life / nature through presence. Sorry to have wrote a long comment, but having studied thoroughly driving psychology through providing driver training, and later going through philosophy, Senna brings a lot of joy and positive emotions within me.
This must be (and on a CZcams comment section this is saying something!) the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever read!! For the love of all that’s holy please rewrite this without the spiritually, philosophical out of body, we are at one with the trees nonsense
@@agboi1344 I know right!! If he’d have just turned his brain on before typing that comment, sorry novel haha we all wouldn’t have been bored to death scrolling past it
Balance, finesse is great but your always on the lower limit of what's possible, with tapping the accelerator your are only on the lower limit half the time and the other half you are over the limit but he had a way off balancing it to be slightly faster than normal drivers.
Old tech in chassis, aero, and tires. It's also what he was comfortable doing. If you shoved him in a modern car, he wouldn't be competitive with they driving style. Much like how mcrae(rip) wasn't competitive in the very different newer WRC cars.
Its just a natural TCS. Just like when youre turning the steering wheel. Just a little too far, just not far enough, just a little too far, just not far enough... Same thing here. Tires are just spinning, tires arent close enough to spinning back and forth
Agressive front end, loving oversteer, an incredibly unstable car so you can rotate faster. I have seen several drivers known for this 'overly agressive' setup preference in their own respective era... Senna, Schumacher, Verstappen
It flatens the car and makes for earlier acceleration. Peter Windsor is often correct in analysis of drivers, but not about Senna. Even though Senna out accelerated Windsor in the same type of road car. You can see it even in this short clip in the F3. He rotates slightly at turn in, then starts stabbing the throttle towards the apex, it’s really really advanced driving. You have a parallel and that is left foot braking, where you also can stab to stabilise the car and create higher grip levels.
Controlling understeer by instigating oversteer. It was a symptom of the poor chassis designs at the time. Karting F2 and F1 they didn't have the grip or handling they do now. And if you entered a corner with understeer, you unweight the rear tyres with the throttle and turn the car.
That is why Senna (1st) and Schumacher (2nd) are at the top in driver's skill simple!, just watch Senna's footage changing gears in Monaco 😮 (manual shift) while attacking corners 😮 it is just baffling...
I think this technique's purpose is far simpler and I am surprised so few people miss it. Ben, you came closest and I am not surprised. In simplest terms, the technique is used to cancel out instability in less than perfectly optimized vehicles. Senna learned this because of his obsessive nature and refusal to allow the quality of his vehicles to limit his ability on track. He used this technique like how you mentioned Ben, to maximize speed during corners that poorly designed cars had a problem maintaining stability in. For example, cars back in those days suffered from poor suspension optimizations, designs and did not have systems to minimize instability like we do today and, is the MAIN reason why we do not see this technique used today. It is also why Senna did not use it much in is later years. It is used to anticipate the weight transfer of the vehicle and inject the throttle whenever it returned to an opportune moment. I use it for that reason but I also used it on corner entry at certain moments in the corner with steering input keep the weight transfer in the best possible place while still being able to apply throttle and lose as little time as possible. I also use brakes like active dampers as well and floated seamlessly between that and Senna's technique. I simply stayed on the brakes longer while exiting the corner (what I used it for mostly) to stop cars that had a tendency to "buck" on corner exit. A simpler way of putting it is, I used the brakes to control bad front to back weight transfer and I used the throttle and steering tiny throttle input to maintain maximum speed and traction during corners. This is not used as much now because suspension geometries (though this is still an area that annoys me to no end because of the shocking lack of imagination) and control systems have come a long enough way to allow most of this to be done in a more "linear" way.
It was simply to destabilise the car to rotate it quicker to get a better exit. He didnt drive with a raikkonen-esque sharp front end, instead a more neutrally balanced setup giving him the possibility to adjust the car according to the corner.
Not great for tyre wear but if u can pull out a big enough lead then it wouldn't matter much
I think he just drove with a feeling of grip that 99% couldn't. His right foot and arse where perfectly in sync.
A race car is always fastest at the absolute limit and a driver who can ride the edge like he does are rare... Max is the modern example but Max has been wrapped in a modern safety bubble that sadly Senna wasn't lucky enough to have.
Absolutely correct
@@fuzzybear86those cars had tyres basically compared to rocks. Tyre wear was much more minimal then than it is now.
Senna style wouldn’t work in a modern F1 car, but it’d be interesting to see how he would adapt. Michael struggled to adapt to the 2010 cars, being told to stop doing his braking technique over the radio on numerous occasions.
The person Ayrton senna classed as the greatest driver was Jim Clark
It's too bad Clark isn't around to talk about his racing days.
Really. When. Proof?
I remember hearing Senna claim Fangio was the best
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 And Fangio said the same about Jim Clark.
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 czcams.com/video/JLj9sJVsUAU/video.html
Does anyone else think Ben should do a how to race round a track series, top tips and examples?
Great idea. As a racing fan with no on-track experience, that would be very insightful.
Jolyon Palmer just did a series on f1tv of that exact thing, pretty insightful
Senna is the epitome of driving with your butt dyno. Amazing in the rain. Like he was driving on ice even on dry tarmac, keep the car constantly at the limit of grip.
He was using it as traction control. In addition to being able to grab another mph or more through a corner, Senna would pop the throttle to keep the car on the limits of grip so that he could always feel when to pin it again. It was traction control.
Exatly
That's exactly it
As the saying goes "anyone can drive a fast car, not everyone can drive a car fast"
I started doing this in sim racing and it actually works like a charm, it helps turn the car a little bit more and also you get a feel for when the car has enough grip coming out of the corner and you can get a better acceleration plus it sounds cool
He did what worked for him. And he did it better than everyone else.
Have you ever noticed that for motorbikes they tend to have better controllability of acceleration out of corners with engines with uneven (unbalanced) firing order than engines with even firing orders. It is suspected that it behaves similar to ABS in that it's easier to keep it closer to the point of traction if you have a period (even a short period) of time where traction can be regained.
I’d that because of/helped by a far freer revving engine?
@@markrichards5928 I can't figure out what you're trying to say.. the grammar is unparsable.
@@TankEnMate thanks for the passive aggressive response. I’ll go again, is it because a motorbike engine revs more freely?
@@markrichards5928 It wasn't passive aggressive, I couldn't understand what you were getting at.
No, it isn't to with revving; in fact even firing order engines tend to (on the whole) produce more power for their mass. The advantage that uneven firing order has (even with lower power) is that there is larger period of time where torque isn't applied and so the tire has time to regain grip, and ofc more grip means better acceleration. From the perspective of the rider it feels like the bike has more grip and is more forgiving, which then means the rider finds it easier to find the edge of adhesion.
@@TankEnMate interesting, thanks Tank I appreciate your response.
Your first reply really did come across as passive aggressive, I even asked someone else in the room what they thought. Maybe 98 other people wouldn’t agree?? Anyway apologies and again, thanks for the reply
He played with throttles and brakes same time. Enter, middle and exit the corners. He does it pretty good. Once he feel the car sticks, slam the throttle to shoot out.
I was also used to do this in karting, i was the fastest in the field. I wish i could continue racing 😢
Would really be interested to see your analysis of Gilles Villeneuve's driving. To me, he is one of the all-time greats.
Gilles was a great instinctive driver very fast ,he drove the wheels of that Ferrari. Sadly he was terrible at setting up a car for a race . If he peeked over the fence at his team mate Jody Schekter who knew how to set a car up and won championship at Ferrari . Who knows how great Gilles would have been
This is probably not the most accurate proof, but I've used this technique in sim racing and generally find it to be quicker than taking a corner with a more normal approach. Of course you do have to be able to control the car when it gets destabilized, and in certain cars that destabilization is very difficult to deal with.
The mid corner stabbing technique is a carryover from go-carting to get more turn and keep speed at the cost of a little rubber. It’s a carting hack all f1 drivers know.
I’ve really been liking Ben Davis. Interesting that he made the role of the Stig, which was a role they made this way as all they needed was a guy that can drive consistently fast, but didn’t need on that could talk.
He’s showing that he could have learned to talk back then too.
For show fans that always hear from guests raving about how amazing the Stig was to work with….it was this guy.
Feeling it..
to me senna lightly overspeed into the corner, so the car will go wide out. to rotate the car and avoid the understeer, he stab the throttle to brake the rear axel traction and make the rear slide out. the stab is needed to avoid to spin out, he just need some degree of rotation. while the speed raise in exiting the corner the frequency of the stabbing slow down and he start to floor it. so basically he sort of power over the corner to try to stay on the line even if he normally should be running wide.
all this "analysis" is bollocks, all senna was doing was going round the corner as fast as possible, on the limit of grip. schumacher did the same. there are videos showing the trace of acceleration, speed, steering, braking, and time.
@@percyveer2355 you are pointing out the obvious gentleman... idk any driver that try to clear the corner as slow as possible. what is interesting is trying to guessing how they made it. is not a question of pure grip, not at that level. they play with the grip in order to barely loose it to stay on the line and then try to maximise it on the exit. some driver achieve faster entry,other faster exit.... some magically take a bit more on the entry and a bit more in the exit, and that 's is the big trick
@@AaaBbb-ff1pn you too are pointing out the obvious.
@@percyveer2355 what
was that? there's no elements to discuss in your reply.... if you prefer i can say "no, you are" but that's a childish way to reply. Give me something or stfu.
@@AaaBbb-ff1pn read your previous reply. guessing is not analysis. your original comment said absolutely nothing, provided no insight or anything interesting.
It's basically lift off oversteer to get the rear end round quicker
Genius... Best Ever....
I'll go out on a limb and say that Senna didn't know exactly why this worked either. If he knew, he wouldn't have shut up about it. The man was a talker. His driving technique and skills catered for cars that needed to be driven not "on" the absolute limit, but over and around it. Like go karts. But why did that work, we don't know yet.
Its funny when people talk of "The racing line" and the various techniques to drive fast for us laymen. What is painfully obvious is that F1 drivers and other top racing drivers, do so many things that are entirely different to "the norm". Senna, Schumacher, Andretti, Stewart, Clark, Fangio, they all had techniques that were not in the book.
People also said he flexed the chassis around corners lol .
He's called the Stig.
Stamping on the throttle mid corner, is definitely faster on exit, providing you have the skill and reaction to catch it on full throttle as you exit, timing is paramount
Its because when you open the throttle on a rear wheel drive car and turn the wheel it rotates more than if you just turned into the corner.
Thank you, i saw this in some footage of him driving the Honda NSX and never found anything to explain it
Some says his jacket is made of dead pilots skin and that he can speak the language of speed, all we known is....he is the Ben Collins
Ohh good to know that I'm not crazy in thinking occasionally it makes sense to do that. It probably causes a bit more tire wear, but if the tire is sufficiently durrable to tolerate it, it might help keep you in the power band.
Thats what i do in corners and in games too. When you take the corner almost too fast thats why 😂
If the rear starts to break away you are already coming off the throttle when you blip it that way. It's used in dirt biking. You are always on the limit off traction.
It was actually to spin the wheels up in the corner to “drift” (not drifting tho obviously) his car into a better position when coming out of the corner. Absolutely crazy but it works (Hitting the gas on a corner is a easy way to spin out)
Senna the best driver
I could be wrong, but I thought he was doing it because of the differential. But I have no idea what they looked like.
It is also easier to correct a car when you brake it loose instead of it surprising you.
Senna was a 1 in a million driver and it’ll be decades before we see anyone at his level
We currently are, max....
@@padoosh28 nah Senna never cheated
@@padoosh28 You're having a laugh, aren't you?
@@akayy17 Max has not purposely wrecked anyone to win a championship, Senna has, most champions have.
and yet we had schumacher who was better than senna ever was.
I remember i was out karting once and i think i did the same cause it felt natural, dunno how it would work in a modern setting tho, in a rwd car it would make sense as you can give it some rotation
It works pretty well with 2014 cars on assetto
He did it in the nsx
The stig knows!
Why is it debated? Senna explained this himself! It boils down to rotating the car through the curve.
I do that too ! :))
He's a kart man.. 😂 he was drifting for the angle 🤣🤣🤙🏄🏼
I also believe that it increased yaw
slip angle, steering with throttle and brake, keep steering loose, become the car, suddenly you are faster than everyone else and the car drives itself
slow is smooth, and smooth is fast
If anyone is going to explain driving styles, here's your man. Ben has huge knowledge of a extremely wide range of both road & race cars.
He was a 100% right, because that's how I went on my races on Forza 😊 ben you are awesome. A real professional racing driver in your own right. And your content is amazing everytime. Thanks Ben.
Keep the power rang on
🐐
Trust in The Stig.
so... did you get that Broadbent guy the next ime?
He's steering and turning-in using both axles.
I believe that Senna was stabbing the throttle for psychological and philosophical reasons... I will try to explain in short... From what I see in videos, Senna was very calm in certain areas of tracks with godly like power. As soon as he entered the car its like a spirit takes over whilst he is one with the car.
Basically he became completely present and through presence focus is very sharp, but at the same time calm, which also evolves into great anticipation. This is what i meant above by the word philosophical. If some of us reading this has gone through some practical philosophy, understand presence and understand the power of now, will understand better what is happening.
On the other hand when it comes to corners maybe he was a little less confident, therefore less present, which he compensated by being more active with his body, which gives the false idea that he was in control. Basically i think he knew his weaknesses, and he compensated like so - stabbing the throttle - fooling his mind that he is in control. This is what i meant by the word psychological.
This also probably means that when we flow and be totally present, our mind doesn't really need to give much input. It all happens naturally kind of. Actually the more input from the mind the more interruption there will be. In fact, most of the time, the limitation is our own mind sending interruptions by being afraid.
So, if the above is true, this also means that what he was doing might not have been technical at all, which also means that his style might not match yours. I think that's why driving is beautiful, because whatever you learn, it's more about adjusting the learning to your style / fears. There cannot be one driver same like the other. Those that try to be so will be the ones not winning. My point is, although Senna was super good, trying to copy him might not lead you to success, however learning from his psychology/philosophy is definitely a benefit. Through presence you can achieve things that you didn't know you have the power to achieve.
Obviously the above might be true or not, but that's what is interesting... to keep the mind active and looking for solutions...
The reason might sound complex but also very simple. Usually things are simpler than we think. We tend to think that the reason is much more complex, because since he was so successful it has to be complex right!?
I see Senna as a positive individual with the huge ability to be present, and this is why people loved him (me included) and upon his passing away all the world mourned so deeply. He was simply an inspiration to life, enhancing everyone's life that watched him. This was done through racing (material), but i believe that his real purpose and passion was to enhance everyone's life through complete presence (spiritual).
I believe that this is our purpose over here... enhancing humanity by unconditional love and presence. Material things and materialistic achievements are secondary. I also believe that through the above concept you can reach anything, but only when the real purpose starts from being good to yourself internally and then extend the goodness to any kind of life / nature through presence.
Sorry to have wrote a long comment, but having studied thoroughly driving psychology through providing driver training, and later going through philosophy, Senna brings a lot of joy and positive emotions within me.
🙏✝️
This must be (and on a CZcams comment section this is saying something!) the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever read!! For the love of all that’s holy please rewrite this without the spiritually, philosophical out of body, we are at one with the trees nonsense
have you ever considered turning your brain on or did you not even realize it was off?
@@agboi1344 I know right!! If he’d have just turned his brain on before typing that comment, sorry novel haha we all wouldn’t have been bored to death scrolling past it
As much as i agree on the fact that you go into a trance/autopilot while driving such cars, i think the rest of what you said is bs
Mmm. I "feather" the throttle of my game console controller in a similar fashion.
So, it's like blipping the throttle on a two stroke so you held on the powerband? Got it
anyone who has played any sim/simcade game with a controller and traction control off knows what he was doing
So many people think they know why, so many wrong answers.
I have done this before l knew senna did it l don't know why he seems to be the only one
I do that aswell didn't know senna did that
Dude, you must be Senna reincarnated 😮😂
I’ve been doing this when I go karting and when I drive fast
Balance, finesse is great but your always on the lower limit of what's possible, with tapping the accelerator your are only on the lower limit half the time and the other half you are over the limit but he had a way off balancing it to be slightly faster than normal drivers.
I remember watching him in qualifying. It was weird - the car just looked much faster, surrounded by shimmering air.
I drive like this on granturismo 7 😂
Old tech in chassis, aero, and tires. It's also what he was comfortable doing. If you shoved him in a modern car, he wouldn't be competitive with they driving style. Much like how mcrae(rip) wasn't competitive in the very different newer WRC cars.
Its just a natural TCS. Just like when youre turning the steering wheel. Just a little too far, just not far enough, just a little too far, just not far enough... Same thing here. Tires are just spinning, tires arent close enough to spinning back and forth
Looking for grip.
Sennas former engineer explained in a book once, I can’t remember which one. Someone finds it, that ends the debate
Is that the Stig
I've copied his way of stabbing the throttle to grab corners, it works.
Agressive front end, loving oversteer, an incredibly unstable car so you can rotate faster. I have seen several drivers known for this 'overly agressive' setup preference in their own respective era...
Senna,
Schumacher,
Verstappen
No the reason good drivers accelerate in corners is because they brake on the straightaway before the corners.
Rally.
Damn what happened to roger federer?
I do this too and it works, you can really check on the engine power through the turn by feeling and hearing it
Finding the grip and getting it ready to go hard out corner it's not rocket science 😅😅😅
Not a unique technique, Mark Blundell used it as well which is why Senna appreciated him as a McLaren test driver.
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The turbo era explains his throttling style not his cornering style...
It flatens the car and makes for earlier acceleration. Peter Windsor is often correct in analysis of drivers, but not about Senna. Even though Senna out accelerated Windsor in the same type of road car.
You can see it even in this short clip in the F3. He rotates slightly at turn in, then starts stabbing the throttle towards the apex, it’s really really advanced driving.
You have a parallel and that is left foot braking, where you also can stab to stabilise the car and create higher grip levels.
Controlling understeer by instigating oversteer.
It was a symptom of the poor chassis designs at the time. Karting F2 and F1 they didn't have the grip or handling they do now. And if you entered a corner with understeer, you unweight the rear tyres with the throttle and turn the car.
He didn't drive like that in the Williams if in part explains the amount of understeer he got in the crash the ultimately killed him.
Ah, another Driver61 theory debunked.
61 is a clown
senna started with keyboard, not with joystick or steering wheel
Because he did. Why did he wear his gloves inside out. The man drove some corners so fast prost knew it was done
That is why Senna (1st) and Schumacher (2nd) are at the top in driver's skill simple!, just watch Senna's footage changing gears in Monaco 😮 (manual shift) while attacking corners 😮 it is just baffling...
That was Senna doing traction control in his own way, its not that hard to understand
Senna was driving on keyboard
He was a keyboard player
The stig the rat 🐀
That's considered unconventional? I always hammer it at the apex. Interesting...
scott speed beat him in carting with a normal style.
Why he standing like that
Slip angle kids
I mena senna and mcrae both had unconventional driving style and debatably were the top in their discipline
Vtec
😂what?
Grip probing.
That's not unique, everyone can use it, and they do but it's not everytime the best way to drive
I think this technique's purpose is far simpler and I am surprised so few people miss it. Ben, you came closest and I am not surprised.
In simplest terms, the technique is used to cancel out instability in less than perfectly optimized vehicles. Senna learned this because of his obsessive nature and refusal to allow the quality of his vehicles to limit his ability on track. He used this technique like how you mentioned Ben, to maximize speed during corners that poorly designed cars had a problem maintaining stability in. For example, cars back in those days suffered from poor suspension optimizations, designs and did not have systems to minimize instability like we do today and, is the MAIN reason why we do not see this technique used today. It is also why Senna did not use it much in is later years.
It is used to anticipate the weight transfer of the vehicle and inject the throttle whenever it returned to an opportune moment. I use it for that reason but I also used it on corner entry at certain moments in the corner with steering input keep the weight transfer in the best possible place while still being able to apply throttle and lose as little time as possible.
I also use brakes like active dampers as well and floated seamlessly between that and Senna's technique. I simply stayed on the brakes longer while exiting the corner (what I used it for mostly) to stop cars that had a tendency to "buck" on corner exit.
A simpler way of putting it is, I used the brakes to control bad front to back weight transfer and I used the throttle and steering tiny throttle input to maintain maximum speed and traction during corners. This is not used as much now because suspension geometries (though this is still an area that annoys me to no end because of the shocking lack of imagination) and control systems have come a long enough way to allow most of this to be done in a more "linear" way.
Can we please move on to EV?
Why should we listen to you? Who do you think you are the stig?
He drove more like an oval driver with his throttle technique
Shame he was a scrub at crashing