The TRUTH About What Catches MORE Fish?? Realistic vs “buggy” Flies (#3)
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Today we talk about realistic vs buggy or general patterns and what truly will catch you more fish out on the water!
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I started fly tying with a pair of needle nose vice grips locked into a bench vise. I tied for some local sporting goods stores and guides on a $12 vise. I think my most expensive vise was around $55. To each his own. But if you’re tying extremely small flies, like size 18,20,22, etc you can buy a midge head. An adapter for the larger vises to hold the smaller hooks better. You don’t need a $300 pair of vise grips to hold a hook. It can be more convenient, but save that money for hooks, bobbins, and materials. The vise simply holds a hook.
For anyone getting into tying . . . - Do it. Theres nothing better than catching a fish on a fly youve tied. 😊
Well said! Just adds to the whole experience
Truth
Catching a fish on a fly you tied with feathers and hair from an animal you harvested.
Thrilled to find a tying video in this format of concise video accompanied by smooth commentary. Love it.
I love watching you tie so quickly and effectively so many patterns and flies, while speaking candidly about so many fascinating fly fishing topics. I can hardly wait to hunt down more of your videos.
Thoughts given 50 years of fishing with over half of it fly fishing for trout, bass, bonefish, snook, blues, sea trout, etc. I'm speaking of trout in freshwater now. If waters are clear, low and fish are being selective, an imitative pattern is generally better. However if water is stained, fast, or subject to lower fishing pressure an impressionistic pattern is generally better. Some of the greatest patterns of all time look like many different food forms and none in particular. Trout, (especially those over 13 inches) are very opportunistic feeders (this is how they stay big). As such, they will often take something that has the right "triggers" to stimulate their instinct to take. This is not to say that imitative patterns won't work, it's just that in some circumstances, they are not as effective as impressionistic flies. I try to keep a variety of flies in my box so that I can make the call when I've seen the water.
Brilliant recommendation to fish for easy species. That’s my problem. Well, one of them. How to handle a fish once on the hook. I’ll add that I started tying on the cheapest piece of metal made-in-India vise. Came in a tiny kit with crappy materials. But I learned a ton, it worked just fine, and I decided that I was hooked. Love your channel. Thank you!
EDIT - Careful. lots of local regulations prohibit artificial scent on fly fishing only sections
I woke up recently and decided I wanted to tie flies and ran into your channel. I'm a bass fisherman but there's so much pressure on my local city lake pond that i wanted to try something different.
Its kind of funny listening about realism as I'm sitting here trying to tie the most obnoxiously loud looking bait I can (going to try realistic bait fish later).
Either way, really enjoy listening while I'm figuring this out and the camera so close is helping me see where I'm being sloppy.
I’ve caught quite a few smallmouth using wooly bugger and similar patterns. I’ve had fun tying the flashy olive polar chenille-type stuff. I say go for it.
I'm not the biggest bass fisherman. Mostly because of where I live, lots of cold water fish species here. But I still enjoy it and the crazy patterns they take. I'll have some bass specific stuff that comes up as well. Maybe bring a guest who knows more than me.
Yes you are absolutely right I've been fly tying many years and its good to have both good job.
Just stumbled across this podcast video after stealing your dope golden stone pattern! From Alberta Canada and moved to Oregon, I can confirm new rivers go buggy!
Angling for steelhead is a huge pain the d*ck though and requires hella tying creativity.
Thanks for the patterns, you definitely earned a sub! Killer fly tying man 🤝
I´m a buggy fly team member!!
Amazing!I am grateful for the information!
Thanks for all!
No problem, Glad you found it useful!
Hugely helpful. I have been too oriented to matching the hatch. Everything you said makes lots of sense. Many thanks.
Hope it helps you catch more fish. Just look at the size and profile of the hatch and 8/10 times that will do the trick
Just discovered your channel, great podcast, super looking flies. I, like you started tying around 8 or 9 years of age in Ireland, had a long hiatus after age 25, relocation to Pittsburgh, work family ect, ect. First fishing trip in Pittsburgh put me off fishing here, (opening day in a polluted, crowded put & take😢)anyways back at it full time now I'm retired. purchased my first none beginner vice a few years ago, learning all the new materials and techniques has been great..thanks for great content..👍👏
Thank you for answering my question =) btw I dont use scents. Its just too much of a hassle, and I dont like my gear smelling like them....or my hands.
Thank You Jesse from NW Michigan Waters 🎉
Enjoy Your Work !
Brian
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I just found your channel. I thoroughly enjoyed watching you tie these flys. I wish I could see better so I could do that.
🤙 Buggy versus realistic - Great topic. Interesting that this year, I've caught more bass on realistic stonefly patterns with my boys at the pond than I have trout in cold water. On the flip side, some of my buddies went on a trip to trout water in southern MO, and he caught a 30"+ rainbow on a fuzzy little #14 tan scud with a red thread head.
Ypu got me into fly tying love the one min shorts started there been following along some of flys I just make n don't use but love Makin them with ya
Thats awesome! Great to hear you are enjoying the hobby. Could always donate them as well if you end up with a pile of them
I live in Arkansas. Scented baits are prohibited in any of the areas that are specified as catch and release. I can see that easily interpreted as scenting flies by storing them in powerbait. And most of the areas that are catch and release are patrolled pretty heavily by AGFC.
Great videos, fast complete not a bunch of talk.
Because I use barbless hooks, I will tie in and secure a mono loop at the tail for a dropper.
The flies look so good!!! Omgggg!
Some good questions🔥
Oholi’s Flies has some great videos on thread control well worth a watch.
100% in agreement... Buggy Nymphs presented where the fish are feeding catch fish. Thank You
Yeah I guess I should brush out my flies then
I personally don't care about thread size. I got a free entire tying kit from my friend and I don't even think about thread size. Thank God
You should definitely think about size depending what you tie. It can make a huge difference on how clean they turn out. If you care about that anyway, fish likely don’t
I tried something different lately and it has caught some big rainbows, browns, cut-bows and cutthroats... I was using crankbaits and jerkbaits drifted through small drop but wide waterfalls. Want big trout? Use big lures. The problem with using bass lures is you get one chance using them before the fish learn what NOT to bite on, then you have to move on up or down river to a new spot.
Keep this channel coming. I'm extremely fresh with fly fishing. A little over 2 months as of now and I've been tying since the start of may. You and a few other fellas had me wanting to tie. I already have an ok parachute I can tie on a size 12 and my eyes hurt afterwards... Lol. It's odd how I've been taken by fly fishing and tying, it's like being a kid again learning how to fish again. I have 2 rods, both 4-6wt, an 8ft which is pretty stiff to me and a 9ft that's ultra sensitive to me. The 8ft has a 4lb leader on it and the 9ft has a 10lb on it. I need all the insight I can get my hands on to better my skills because it is really fun fly fishing and tying
Dang - if you have only started tying in May and already doing parachute flies... "you are a wizard harry". Ive been tying for over 30 years, and still avoid those when possible.
@@jaynesjunction I just tied my first mayfly about 3 days ago and it's not shabby. I'd like to show a pic but no option to share them here so. Orange foam done with green permanent marker so it looks spotted with orange, thorax with a darker blue reflective feather wing complete with antenna. I started tying on size 16 too and already have parachutes tied on them which is a bit rough still but not bad either
@@benperchalski4825 Awesome - the key is here is to allow yourself to make mistakes. You may gain immense insight from CZcams videos, but getting behind the vise and refining through trial and error is invaluable. Keep it up, and go catch some fish with your creations. For the milliseconds that fish has to make a decision on, they don't need pure perfection, they need presentation. Cheers!
@@jaynesjunction I'm surely pushing to achieve more with this new hobby but it's not the easiest in my current situation. I make due with what I have to work with and continue to add to my tools both knowledge and equipment. It's been a ton of fun especially tying new things on the spot when certain things are not working right then. Learning the usage of feathers has been fun and I kind of faded off of the hair techniques which I believe is a mistake but I'll work back into that soon. Feathers have kinda proven to be a puzzle for me and I have a lot in numerous colors. The hard part for me if what types of feathers for what types of flies. Whose feathers and what part of the body they come from has been the hardest part altogether for me. When and how to use them is the 2nd hardest so far.. the easiest so far has been using foam and wire for ribbing.
But thank you though for the encouragement...... tight lines
I caught my first fish on a fly I tied when I was 8, small crappie, like 40 of them in a few hrs grey leach.
Just stumbled upon this channel. I don't fly fish at all nor do I know anything about tying flies, but geez now I want to go give this stuff a try. Thanks for putting this info out there!
Thank you for the videos very informative and entertaining a life time ago I used to fish the West Branch of the Penobscot for Land locks is the fishery still viable? Thank you in advance
Oh wow. You just got me thinking. I bet people have 3d printing patterns for hoppers legs. I may have to look and try printing a few.
Oh that would be cool!
About fish Responding to color. Several decades ago, the In Fisherman magazine published a study Done with fish and their detection of color. The study concluded that fish do not See color. But they do detect about 50 different hues. This would explain why. In Lake MI. My most productive lure was A J plug in lime green. That color did not match anything native to the lake. But apparently the lime green. Presented a hue That was attractive to salmon And. To Lake trout and to Steelhead.
Quisiera ver un video de como
hacer una LIBÉLULA, Me resultaría interesante.
Muchas gracias por el trabajo
que realizan.
Que viva la pesca.
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Nothing like tying a 20 mins fly and loosing it on the first cast. 😅
UV light is largely 'filtered-out' by water. It is one of the pre-conditions that some biologists hold for life evolving in (under) water, largely safe from the intense UV of the sun. There was no oxygen in the atmosphere at the time, so no Ozone. I'd say any UV effect on underwater flies is inconsequential.
I think UV materials catch more fisherman today than any other material.🤣Hooked me and I'm still biting!
Another question for you. WOuld you go into colors under water? how far light penetrates, and why fish would choose to bite a purple bugger or blue one. Thank you!
It will be in the next one. Working on that now
i make a UV glass bead that's clear until its hit with a blacklight. it catches big trout. not sure about them losing uv sight.
The fly you started tying at about 15:45….Do you have a video on it? I’d love to try and tie it. I’m not sure i have the tail material though. Thanks.
I notice that the video is 3 months old. And I am on my way to Maine going to. Moosehead lake and I was wondering how the fishing is around it
Sooo I'm not sure how my input here is gonna be received but I don't fly fish - I spin fish leisurely. I DO make flies though! And I fish with them! I only got into it bc I bought a UV resin setup for a different project and got curious. Now Im hooked. Ive found that i like to go buggy bc it lets me be absoluuutely insane with my designs which is the part I like. I use LOTS of iridescence and blues and green, hints of rusty reds and dark yellows. Ive got into the habit of tying peacock mylar tubing over a black bead bc it DEAD ON looks like compound eyes, its on almost all my flies. I pull it as thin as possible, put it THROUGH the bead, then double the long end ove so it inverts and covers the bead, trim with a bit of excess so you can secure it THEN I put the bead on the hook and start imagining my pattern. Like I said I dont fly but all of my flies catch fish, I've learn the realistic worms and eggs are reaaally good but their not as fun.
I've tried a couple of realistic flies but maybe I'm doing something wrong bc I get hits but I feel like Im waiting on them a bit more than buggy ones - its probably a bias bc I dont like tying them really and Im grumpy all that extra time and attention doesnt just magically give me an instant fish.
Lately I've been reaaaallly into seeing just how absolutely wild and not like a real bug I can go to still get a good catch. So far the one that blows my mind is a hot pink base with yellow and charteuse hackle tail thingies (I forgot what youd call them) big gold spaced out wire wraps and a huge wide peacock hackle corkscrewing down the whole length afoling that wide spacing of the gold to try and show off that pink body. I call it "The Eyesore"
Again, ive only been doing this for like 2 years and Im a spin fisher which is probally makes none of it count to you guys but its fun for me and I get fish so 🤷 just my 2 cents. I love this channel though, I so much fun to watch and learn and get new ideas!
Nothing wrong with that! Whatever you enjoy fishing / making is ultimately the way to go. I'm of course very bias to buggy flies my self haha! Because when it comes down to it, fishing is about enjoyment and no one can decide what is best for each individual!
14:45 holy moly what is that pattern called some kind of game changer? first time seeing that
On the scenting question, there are laws in places like national parks. You cannot use any scented or live bait.
Very true. Not sure if there is any in FFO waters though maybe its in some books. Dont think its specified in mine
Trout rarely scent feed, usually only in colored water.
I agree let the fish decide , I normally don't try to match the hatch so much as I like to present a fly that suggests a food source but has a feature to it that triggers a trout's predatorial instincts. I don't want to use a fly that looks exactly like the other 10,000 live individuals . I want my fly to separate itself from the others to get the fishes attention.
Like your channel…..👊
I spend 3 to 4 hrs tying giant streamers for bull trout only to stick it on a rock third cast!
Plus what are the patterns? That I should use tiktok some fish
Earlier today I posted a comment but forgot to ask a question:
I once asked if you’d be able to make: a nice buggy look merch
So I wanted to know if you would do that or not because it sounds like something I’d really like and I think some other viewers as well😅
Yes, I'll definitely be getting there. I'll bring it up in the next one too, see if more people are interested
@@mainelyfliespodcast nice I hope so
Euronymph competition flies are certainly NOT realistic, to be sure. What actual bug has an enormous ball at its front? Euronymphs are just not shaped like a bug, so accuracy of appearance isn't important.
Buggy is good. I believe the frenchie is the best wet fly and the more the fish tear it up the better it is until it falls apart.
Travel kit sounds like a great idea! Have you made a video of what’s in your travel kit?
I haven’t but thats a great idea! Ive even gone so far as to set up multiple tying stations at places I go alot like my parents camp
Thomsaon Atype vice about $20, will hold hook, no rotation or anything special. Peak rotary about $220, I've tied on just about everything, the Petit_jean was better, but not enough better to pay an extra $1k.
Is thread size meters per gram?
when people say a material has uv in it do they mean it gives off visible light when uv light hits it? Like when you some a uv torch on fluorescent orange beads and the bead looks really bright?
Or are they talking about materials that reflect uv light well without changing it to light that is visible to humans
Little of both. It will reflect wavelengths we cant see but often will also reflect in visible colors as well. Perhaps fish see this the same and its just another hot spot.
Plesse list materials needed for making rach fly ☺
I am convinced that as soon as you try to make something too realistic, it just doesnt actually look that real when put next to the real thing. You take a pheasants tail and Hares ear, get them wet, and flip rocks till you find a brown nymph and white nymph. they look almost exactly like it. It isnt a general pattern. They are nearly spot on
I don't scent flies, but I also use 99% natural materials and very few chemicals.
Dry flies size and profile.
Ugly flies are for the fish. Pretty flirs are for the fidherman
One thing I disagree with in your videos is brushing out the dubbing for that “extra buggy look” I think I would prefer to keep the flies streamlined to sink faster, and if they work on the water, the fish will pick em out for you!
You Guyses???
Rolls of the tongue better
Realistic in the vice =/= realistic moving through the water. Detailed "realistic" flies might be good for clear moving water, but otherwise fish eat things because they fit in their mouth and look like they might be alive (i.e. they move, they push water, they make sound or smell like food), not because they look like an exact copy of that whatever nymph they saw the other day. I still tie imitative flies, but my attempts at imitation focus more on moving like the real thing than looking good in the vice
You have no idea about trout then. Other than stocked browns, natural brookies and rainbows are incredibly visual. If it doesn't look right they won't grab it.
You're ascribing crappie and bass type fishing in dirty water to trout in clear mountain streams and rivers. It's not the same at all.
Unbelievable 1 min in and no1 commented first 😂😂😂
looks like you got it! Thanks for stopping by!
@@mainelyfliespodcast no problem I was waiting for the new episode im happy it’s posted now thanks for learning me a lot about flies
No problem, good to hear you find them useful
To say a fly is buggy is a bit of a misternomer. The light reflects naturally mimicking the light from the actual bug. I catch the biggest trout every year around here. On a general representation 8 to 10 lb Rainbow's every other trip. What pattern is $1000 question.
Not quite sure I followed what your saying but there’s no silver bullets all comes down to what the fish are looking for that day.