I'm a Cuban-American communist and this is one of the weirdest things I've seen. China had nothing to be proud of before the Revolution. At least with Cuba you could say" Look at the hotels" , but China was nothing like that. Their poverty was insane given their population. Love the video
The biggest perpetrator of the the South China Sea conflict, the Indo-China border conflicts, etc. cannot be awarded the title of being 'peaceful', especially not in the last 40 years, and it definitely cannot be called peace brokers when they're brokering for the sake of chinese influence and profitability rather than peace. On that note, could you tell us any one successful peace brokering China has done?
@@redpen1917dude you need actual citation not just name of one book you used. also if that’s all the sourcing you did for this vid… you should strongly reconsider remaking this vid with more citation
Litterally all just textbook historical moments. You have google if you're so distrusting, you can verify all historic events in 10 minutes if you're so inclined.
As far as I'm concerned the Chinese people are still in it “It is widely believed that China's socialist economy had relatively high rates of extreme poverty while the capitalist reforms of the 1980s and 1990s delivered rapid progress. This narrative relies on World Bank estimates of the share of people living on less than $1.90 a day (2011 PPP), which show a sharp decline from 88 per cent in 1981 to zero by 2018. However, the World Bank’s poverty line has been critiqued for ignoring variations in the actual cost of meeting basic needs. In this paper we review data published by the OECD on the share of people unable to afford a subsistence basket. These estimates indicate that from 1981 to 1990, when most of China’s socialist provisioning systems were still in place, the country’s extreme poverty rate was on average only 5.6 per cent, substantially lower than in capitalist economies of comparable size and income at the time: 51 per cent in India, 36.5 per cent in Indonesia, and 29.5 per cent in Brazil. China's comparatively strong performance is corroborated by data on other social indicators. Moreover, extreme poverty in China increased during the capitalist reforms of the 1990s, reaching a peak of 68 per cent, as privatisation inflated the prices of essential goods and thus deflated the incomes of the working classes. These results indicate that socialist provisioning policies can be effective at preventing extreme poverty, while market reforms may threaten people's ability to meet basic needs.” www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/13563467.2023.2217087?needAccess=true
So were ignoring how over time with these capitalist policies being the foundation for their modern wealth, their current, and shortly after your cited statistics date, level of poverty is much lower than during the Maoist period? It's just factually wrong to state that they had lower extreme poverty than they do now. You can argue it's the remnant of their left leaning policies which lead to the distribution of said wealth contributing to the lower level of poverty, I wouldn't know enough to argue otherwise, but regardless the wealth came from their liberalization of economy. If you think that life before those capitalist policies, were 'worse' for the average Chinese Citizen because of some discrepancy on the buying power of their currency in the domestic market, then stop dousing your self in A-historical weirdness. And that paper you cited, which compared China's 'equivalently sized capitalist countries' such as... fucking Brazil? India? Indonesia? My nigga, if you are trying to establish the idea 'it's capitalism which causes large rates of extreme poverty and communism aklcutlally lowered it!!!' At least try not to make the single causation fallacy too apparent. Beyond that, how can you trust the reported poverty rate of a totalitarian nation without any transparency or at the very least checks and balances, are they not incentivized to simply lie? They are known for lying about their GDP. As per usual, the attempt to argue for why Maoist China is actually good for their citizens ends up being "b-b-b-ut capitalist country is worse because look at this totally real data and interpretation of their current geo-political stances (This video is so blatantly ignoring a million different things China does in foreign policy which is aggressive and expansionistic, not to mention their domestic shittery)!!!" Mao was a dictator, he isn't some 'comrade' you people pathetically call each other, his policies killed millions, no amount of "but capitalist do this!" Will change that he's a monster and the fact the ideology surrounding him and the one you guys are so close to is what lead to exactly that outcome.
To be fair regular china is just as good at romanizing and "faking" its own history. With or without falun gong. Also I don't think that you can say Mao was good just because he was better than what came before. Also what was that propaganda at the end my guy?
@@chungus816 well yeah but I would differentiate the thanksgiving story from just building whole made up cities Edit: For example look up the Mu Residence
@@Marzipan_Magnat We do the same shit with historical monuments here in Kazakhstan. Some nerds find proof of a structure existing, then they set out and build it exactly as described on paper or in legends about it.
@@Marzipan_Magnat Another good example of a similar thing being performed are the various ancient buildings in Rome. They were reconstructed multiple times over the years due to being in a state of severe disrepair.
This got very propaganday towards the end. It's easier to maintain neutral during discussion of historical events, I suppose. But then... suddenly praising modern China for their commitment to peace, prosperity and neutrality? The same China that's providing tacit economic support and weapons manufacture for Russia right now? The China which has unilaterally declared that it owns the entire South China Sea? The China which is condemned by just about every human rights organisation in the world for their systematic repression of all political opposition? Which maintains the world's most elaborate system of internet censorship, forbidding access to non-Chinese news sources and heavily restricting the import of entertainment media?
@@CarltonSmith45 Well, being fair, China did get utterly fucked over by Europe and especially Britain in the 1800s. The opium wars are pretty much as described: Britain made a giant mountain of money selling opium to China knowing the devastating effect it had on the Chinese people, and when China tried to ban the drug started a war in the name of 'free trade.' But history isn't a satisfying story of heroes and villains: China has been the victim of plenty of atrocities, and has perpetuated plenty more themselves. They continue to do so today, so the sudden jump at the end to praising the modern government of China as some saintly avatars of peace on earth and goodwill to all men was a bit jarring. They remain one of the world's more authoritarian and repressive governments, and are quite open about their expansionist territorial ambitions.
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I'm a Cuban-American communist and this is one of the weirdest things I've seen. China had nothing to be proud of before the Revolution. At least with Cuba you could say" Look at the hotels" , but China was nothing like that. Their poverty was insane given their population. Love the video
It always baffles me to also I have literally seen people say Russia during the Russian empire was somehow better than the USSR like what?
@@minecraftdoctorwhoadventur3024 I'm guessing being illiterate and working 20 hours a day for 2 cents was the rave back in the day.
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An excellent name, and fighting for a truly great cause.
Been on the lookout for a new vid, very refreshing. Keep up the good work comrade!
New subscriber keep up the good work. Comrade
keep up the excellent videos-- shout out to you!
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This guy is so underrarted
The biggest perpetrator of the the South China Sea conflict, the Indo-China border conflicts, etc. cannot be awarded the title of being 'peaceful', especially not in the last 40 years, and it definitely cannot be called peace brokers when they're brokering for the sake of chinese influence and profitability rather than peace. On that note, could you tell us any one successful peace brokering China has done?
Parenti quote source please? I want to watch the whole thing because Parenti just does not miss.
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@@redpen1917 Perfect, thank you, sidenote;
I'm tempted to translate the transcript into chinese so that a subtitled version can be shared around.
I'm intregued by the topics you are covering in your videos, but where are your sources? Please site them properly when making your videos.
Maurice Meisner “Mao’s China and After.”
@@redpen1917I appreciate anyone going in on the bullshit that is Shen Yun and Falon Gong, but dropping the name of a book does not a citation make :-/
@@redpen1917dude you need actual citation not just name of one book you used. also if that’s all the sourcing you did for this vid… you should strongly reconsider remaking this vid with more citation
@@redpen1917also some research on the Chinese pronunciation of these names would be nice.
@@redpen1917 There's a video on how to make a bibliography if you don't know how, actually a lot
Viva china!
I am not a dengist but I find the history part of this video good.
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Ayeee
Holy propaganda batman
aww, no sources thats a shame
Litterally all just textbook historical moments. You have google if you're so distrusting, you can verify all historic events in 10 minutes if you're so inclined.
As far as I'm concerned the Chinese people are still in it
“It is widely believed that China's socialist economy had relatively high rates of extreme poverty while the capitalist reforms of the 1980s and 1990s delivered rapid progress. This narrative relies on World Bank estimates of the share of people living on less than $1.90 a day (2011 PPP), which show a sharp decline from 88 per cent in 1981 to zero by 2018. However, the World Bank’s poverty line has been critiqued for ignoring variations in the actual cost of meeting basic needs. In this paper we review data published by the OECD on the share of people unable to afford a subsistence basket. These estimates indicate that from 1981 to 1990, when most of China’s socialist provisioning systems were still in place, the country’s extreme poverty rate was on average only 5.6 per cent, substantially lower than in capitalist economies of comparable size and income at the time: 51 per cent in India, 36.5 per cent in Indonesia, and 29.5 per cent in Brazil. China's comparatively strong performance is corroborated by data on other social indicators. Moreover, extreme poverty in China increased during the capitalist reforms of the 1990s, reaching a peak of 68 per cent, as privatisation inflated the prices of essential goods and thus deflated the incomes of the working classes. These results indicate that socialist provisioning policies can be effective at preventing extreme poverty, while market reforms may threaten people's ability to meet basic needs.”
www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/13563467.2023.2217087?needAccess=true
So were ignoring how over time with these capitalist policies being the foundation for their modern wealth, their current, and shortly after your cited statistics date, level of poverty is much lower than during the Maoist period? It's just factually wrong to state that they had lower extreme poverty than they do now.
You can argue it's the remnant of their left leaning policies which lead to the distribution of said wealth contributing to the lower level of poverty, I wouldn't know enough to argue otherwise, but regardless the wealth came from their liberalization of economy.
If you think that life before those capitalist policies, were 'worse' for the average Chinese Citizen because of some discrepancy on the buying power of their currency in the domestic market, then stop dousing your self in A-historical weirdness.
And that paper you cited, which compared China's 'equivalently sized capitalist countries' such as... fucking Brazil? India? Indonesia? My nigga, if you are trying to establish the idea 'it's capitalism which causes large rates of extreme poverty and communism aklcutlally lowered it!!!' At least try not to make the single causation fallacy too apparent.
Beyond that, how can you trust the reported poverty rate of a totalitarian nation without any transparency or at the very least checks and balances, are they not incentivized to simply lie? They are known for lying about their GDP.
As per usual, the attempt to argue for why Maoist China is actually good for their citizens ends up being "b-b-b-ut capitalist country is worse because look at this totally real data and interpretation of their current geo-political stances (This video is so blatantly ignoring a million different things China does in foreign policy which is aggressive and expansionistic, not to mention their domestic shittery)!!!"
Mao was a dictator, he isn't some 'comrade' you people pathetically call each other, his policies killed millions, no amount of "but capitalist do this!" Will change that he's a monster and the fact the ideology surrounding him and the one you guys are so close to is what lead to exactly that outcome.
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To be fair regular china is just as good at romanizing and "faking" its own history. With or without falun gong. Also I don't think that you can say Mao was good just because he was better than what came before.
Also what was that propaganda at the end my guy?
Every single country romanticizes it's own past, it's the nature of natural ethos. Perfect example is how the Thanksgiving story is taught in the US
@@chungus816 well yeah but I would differentiate the thanksgiving story from just building whole made up cities
Edit: For example look up the Mu Residence
@@Marzipan_Magnat We do the same shit with historical monuments here in Kazakhstan. Some nerds find proof of a structure existing, then they set out and build it exactly as described on paper or in legends about it.
@@Spaibo didn't know about that. Interesting. Very rare to talk to someone from Kazakhstan
@@Marzipan_Magnat Another good example of a similar thing being performed are the various ancient buildings in Rome. They were reconstructed multiple times over the years due to being in a state of severe disrepair.
This got very propaganday towards the end. It's easier to maintain neutral during discussion of historical events, I suppose. But then... suddenly praising modern China for their commitment to peace, prosperity and neutrality? The same China that's providing tacit economic support and weapons manufacture for Russia right now? The China which has unilaterally declared that it owns the entire South China Sea? The China which is condemned by just about every human rights organisation in the world for their systematic repression of all political opposition? Which maintains the world's most elaborate system of internet censorship, forbidding access to non-Chinese news sources and heavily restricting the import of entertainment media?
Empires man, what can you do
And also failed industrialization leading to a famine with more dead than the entire population of Yugoslavia
@@northerncassowary8567 Tell me you're joking pls💀
Lmao it was propaganda from the start
@@CarltonSmith45 Well, being fair, China did get utterly fucked over by Europe and especially Britain in the 1800s. The opium wars are pretty much as described: Britain made a giant mountain of money selling opium to China knowing the devastating effect it had on the Chinese people, and when China tried to ban the drug started a war in the name of 'free trade.' But history isn't a satisfying story of heroes and villains: China has been the victim of plenty of atrocities, and has perpetuated plenty more themselves. They continue to do so today, so the sudden jump at the end to praising the modern government of China as some saintly avatars of peace on earth and goodwill to all men was a bit jarring. They remain one of the world's more authoritarian and repressive governments, and are quite open about their expansionist territorial ambitions.
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