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Worst brakes i’ve ever seen on a bus Bad brakes on a 40,000lb bus is a serious issue air spring disc
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- This was a very serious safety concern we are correcting. Rv’s are exempt for annual safety inspections. But i can almost assure you that this bus had these previous shoddy repairs done while it was in revenue service hauling passengers.
Money, time, and knowledge is all it takes to make these brakes safe and operational again.
Buyer: “What’s the condition of the brakes?”
Seller: “Yes”
More like "Oh we just replaced them"!
Breaks? Yeah it does.
Really makes me worry about the buses you guys DON'T maintain!!!!! Jeez louise, there must be hundreds of sudden-death fails flyin around out there. Thanks to Scott and Johnathon for saving lives!!!!!
Makes me afraid to ride a Greyhound Bus now.
I always hate when mechanics say "We just put pads on it, the new pads will clean up the rotor." No, this is basically never the case. Just replace the rotor.
It never is, the pad wears faster on the corroded areas of the disc and then you'll be stuck with the exact same problem
New pads will clean up the rotor💀that’s like new pistons will clean the cylinder walls. Tf?
Special tools: When I was a child (and this is the vehicle I learned to drive on) we had a 1976 For E-250 van. It had a three on the tree. Somehow, at exactly the correct time, while dad was pulling into the driveway at home, the transmission went into both reverse and second. We had a stuck truck. Dad and I (I was about 10 at the time) yanked that transmission, and since we did all of our own car work--I mean everything!, we tore down the transmission. When mom and dad bought the van, they also purchased the service manuals from Ford. Tearing into this transmission, at one point it called for Ford tool number 247-txb1320-A (made up, of course). There was no way dad was going to buy one of those, so...remember the movie, "A Christmas Story?" Ralphie learned how to swear from his father, and over the next two days, so did I. We finally got that taken apart sans tool, got the new gears, and rebuilt that transmission. Sadly, by the time it was time for me to learn how to drive (at age 14 (It was Idaho)), the transmission would slip out of second gear if you weren't careful (remember, 3 on the tree).
Those old Ford 3 speed on the tree. Always having issues with the linkages and bushings which would cause most of the shifting issues (and shifting into multiple gears). My friend and his father had a 64 Falcon, a first gen Ford Econoline truck, and another Ford. All of the three speed on the tree, all of them with shifting issues.
I have worked on jet fighters and large transport aircraft as well as huge mine equipment. I enjoy watching you and your son do a job the way it is supposed to be done. There is a big difference between someone who SAYS they know what they are doing (some of the shops that worked on some of your customers) and you who KNOWS what you are doing. After my first and last bus experience I probably will never get another bus but if I did would first insist in taking it to you for an inspection!
Incredible work. You guys blow my mind with the stuff you see. Things left to ruin for DECADES and you two bring it back new. Frickin MAGIC.
Putting brake pads in round the right way is so important. Some time ago I had a car serviced by a main dealer, I drove it out of the workshop, round the corner and straight back again - the service manager couldn't make his mind up if fainting or puking was best his reaction - both sets of front disk pads had been put in round the wrong way; result :- mechanic sacked and a complete new set of pads, disks and calipers, plus two more free services.
Scott, no 40,000 lb. vehicle doing 70 mph should have bad brakes! This unit is now safe to drive for years to come! Good on you!
I,d agree in saying that disc brakes are poorer performer's , for race not work
@@holdenbrougham1056 two points,
1, commercial disc brakes are excellent brakes and will easily stand up to intensive operations and are widely used.
2, all brake systems have to be checked regularly and it is obvious that in this case that hasn’t happened. In revenue service these systems are given a thorough test on a roller brake tester every 28 days, more often on a high mileage duty, think Greyhound operations. With air or air / hydraulic operation there is no physical connection between the brake pedal and brake pads / shoes so you cannot gauge the amount of clearance between the pads and disc just by pedal feel. With manual adjustment this should be checked weekly at maximum, preferably more often. With automatic adjusters it is equally necessary as they can go out of adjustment without any warning until you get horrible brake imbalance, by then it is an accident waiting to happen.
So today.... ~ Just this morning, I finished a "New Caliber and Pad" job on my 01' Ford Ranger. Both front disk brakes. The Calibers and Pads were toast, the rotors "OK." ~ Got the Detroit Axle box right here. A nice Sunday morning activity ~ I'll tell ya. And then, your closeups of the disk/pad/caliber combo on this bus ~ just posted ~. turned my head around. So so amazing. Wow! ~ Thanks so much for this. I always look forward to your new posts. Thank you.
Old brakes look like driftwood on its way to petrification
Oh my god, those are some of the worst brakes iv ever seen
Those discs were absolutely deadly
Scott and crew, your quality of work is ALWAYS excellent and what brings me back.. I'm still highly disappointed at whoEVER is supposed ot have maintained these earlier. I'm just a garage mechanic but at LEAST if I find I need to maintian something I'll bring it in to someone rather than let it rot on the road.
Watching these videos are educational. I have learned that motorcoaches can be huge headaches to repair and upkeep, and that things can look beautiful up top, but rotten underneath.
I used to be in the car business. Whenever we went to the auctions to purchase inventory, we carried a copy of the latest NADA value book in our back pocket. At the bottom of every page in that book was the phrase: 'Rusty Vehicles Have Little Value.'
Brake fire is a major safety concern. This also shows that it's important to check the wear items before you purchase a bus for your own use. In the EU a caliper looking as wasted as it is, would never pass the MOT test.
The 2020 T880 KW i drive at work has Disc Brakes all around. Thanks for showing this.
Fun thing i load off the railroads of Cincinnati. I park beside the train car and the crane does the rest. Well they got a guy that comes around and checs the road worthynwss of the car. He can swap out a brake pad in 2 min.
My 2022 International LT had disc brakes, I liked them until I blew a brake chamber. Bendix chambers for disc brakes are on national backorder. The company went back to drum brakes on my 2025 International LT..........
"There are parts of the Titanic that are less rusty than THIS thing." lol! True dat!
Great video Scott really enjoyed watching you and Johnathan fix this disk brake problem. Looking forward to your next video stay safe Scott and Johnathan.
Years ago, we had a local charter company who had a "maint." man who was notorious for his cheap work. The CHP always ran their busses through inspection at the scales - und they usually failed.
The majority of the converted coaches I was familiar with had top notch brakes.
Still one of my very favorite YT channels!!
That axles brakes were so far beyond horrible Scott. Another beast brought back to snuff with good brakes. That bearing axle 'nut' was weird...I wonder if that's strictly a Prevost setup.
You guys never cease to amaze me with the repairs you do...very well done!!!
Makes me glad that I live in the UK where all vehicles get annual safety inspections that covers Brakes, suspension, steering, chassis integrity among other things
This would never have been allowed on the road in Britain!
I think that with pretty much every vehicle they work on.
God bless you and the private company for both taking measures to make the bus and the roads around it a safer place! Idk how they let the bus get this bad while it was in revenue service. This isn't like a passenger car where the owner is struggling financially and can't afford to maintain their vehicle, but still needs to get to work every day.
Those Knorr-Bemse look tough. The bushing on the tappets looks seized (boots twisted and ripped), pin rusted. The studs on the can that were stripped probably had a SAE nut jammed on it instead of a metric. Even in private life Preventive Maintenance doesn’t cost it pays! Stay safe! Rick
I've seen that before in Florida. That bus spent a lot of time parked near salt water.
It's an even money bet that the owner of this beautiful bus paid a licensed mechanic the 'gentleman's price' to get those brakes done, and the mechanic was all too happy to take the bus owner's money, as crappy a job as it is. Or as we say in Detroit: BOHICA! Bend Over; Here It Comes Again!
That brake caliper and rotor were so pretty 👍💯
I’m a car guy, not a truck or bus guy, and this is downright scary to me! This is “extra crispy!” 😱
So much for the quality of the "premiere" line of road busses.
Good Day whatever time and day it is for you. These brakes working in UK and overall europe we rely on all vehicles to use disc brakes instead of shoes and drums. Those callipers always seize in that pin due to there being no cover over it. Good job you fitted a new calliper as the inside would been toast by now. I maintain a fleet of 30 trucks and every other service we always remove all wheels and brake pads and spray down the pin with lubricant and sand paper down the pin until its shines again. this prevents 99% of the major seizes
You need an industrial strength budget to own one of those beasts. A pre-purchase preformed on that before putting you money down on that coach. I hope the owner got a big bargain on the price when he purchased that one. Glad I stuck to cars when working as a mechanic.
This is why I always work on my own brakes because I don’t trust anyone else for my safety.
A strong argument for a required safety inspection?
That crapy brake job was most likely done while it was in revenue service getting that yearly safety inspection you think is such a good idea.
You know it's one of those things where the companies run them things into the ground or they try to skim and save and do as little or as cheap as a maintenance fix as possible so that they can make the most amount of money off of the equipment and there again even if you did have inspections if the people are not 100% trained on those particular buses are those particular things or somebody's paying somebody to look the other way it's not going to do any good it comes down to people being responsible and actually doing the maintenance that is required in spending the tremendous amount of money that it cost to keep one of these things up and actually operating safely and unfortunately a lot of these big companies that run these buses don't
@BusGreaseMonkey the inspection is only as good as the inspector.
@@BusGreaseMonkey Are you implying the DOT inspections other trucks get are not helping? Being done by corrupt people or what?
This damage , however bad is NOTHING compare to my friends Toyota Tundra pick up truck. He brought it to me with "a grinding in the front" , in his words. Upon inspection , I discovered the calipers were frozen and the brake pads worn down to metal . But the BIG surprise was the rotor wear. Both outer surfaces were worm thru to the center cooling fins . I wish I had taken photos.... It was a costly repair for him but a lesson learned too. NEVER underestimate the stupidity of car owners. Great vid , BTW !!
Those brakes look like they were under water for some time.
Those brakes look like layers of sedimentary rock. Putrid, and dangerous!
You must have tons of scrap metal from all those heavy parts.
Holy Crap!
I like your Titanic Comparison!
😁
I admire the knowledge, experience, craft and skill you and your team demonstrate on the channel. My overall impression(right or wrong) is that a lot of the non-commercial buses lack regular service intervals and, instead, are just driven into the ground. Then you’re called on. I’m like many fellow viewers; what about the buses you don’t see. Also, your channel makes me question the state of commercial buses on the road.
Best regards
You must have the most gentle voice and demeanor on CZcams Scott.
Makes you wonder how much crap is driving around these roads in America
Rich mans toy, takes a strong wallet to keep it up.
I never specialized in bus repair. But I do Pa state inspection. Every bus that came in from a charter bus company scared the hell out of me. Eventually those guys stopped coming around because they found somebody to just sell them the stickers without the inspection
7000 tractor trailer fires each year.......70% are from the hub and brake area is what I've read.
Our government is failing us if annual inspections aren't required for buses weighing 20 tons driven on our public roads.
I'm sure the RV industry lobbied to make that happen. And people are in fact killed every year as a result.
Watch the torque test channel. You would be really surprised on how less torque you actually loose with an extension. He goes in extremely very deep detail about it. It’s an awesome channel.
With an impact gun you loose a lot of torque. With a torque wrench is different. But hammering forces of the impact you loose a ton of torque
@@BusGreaseMonkey I agree whole heartedly. Too many rely solely on the impact and don't bother to use a torque wrench.
There are some countries where the bus owner and driver would go to jail for this. This is like attempted murder or manslaughter driving a bus in this condition.
I have commented before that apparently most bus service types prefer to focus on the engine compartment and work very hard to avoid looking at the running gear. I understand why, but you could probably make a good living working only on the wheels and what they're connected to.
In New Zealand, heavy vehicles are subject to a 6 or 12 monthly inspection called the Certificate of Fitness. It is very thorough and even more rigorous for public service vehicles. A vehicle with brakes in the condition seen in this video would have been put off the road long before they reached this state. No vehicle including cars can be registered without a current Warrant or Certificate of Fitness.
Our politicians only pass laws based on who paid them the most money. the lobbyists influence them to slip in very bizarre things to suit their needs. You need a special license and training to drive a motorcycle. But an 85 year old guy can buy a 50,000 lb motorhome and drive it home and it’s treated just like a prius.
That is a lebus bus I know! I drove a new zeland soft ball team from Utah to California in the late 90s and couldn’t stop due to bad breaks coming off a steep incline by the Golden Gate Bridge and could not stop period and I have millions of miles driving trucks and rock&roll coaches. And my brakes had been adjusted on the day that happened in the bay incident. However all 40 passengers had no idea what just happened. Thank god for stopping me enough and also glad I brought extra underwear!
It really looks like it was run in their commercial fleet in that condition.
$6,500 ish for just 1 wheel brake set? Ye-OUCH! And there are 5 more to go! Looks like “Bus” Stands for “Bring Unlimited Savings”. And I thought boats were expensive. Is this bus owner going to plunking down $20,000 to $30,000 to bring this bus back to good functioning mechanical standard?
Quite alarming when I watch your videos how many buses are badly maintained and I’m surprised sometimes the owners are not aware, buses here in the UK( passenger vehicles) are checked monthly, privately owned vehicles of this type are not subject to monthly checks
we don't need no stinking brakes! oh dear!
That one was pretty scaly. It's amazing the things wrong you can find on a vehicle that just wants a tire rotation. If you don't know, you don't know. This will be another safe coach and owner back on the roads.
Deathtrap
Found plenty of vehicles like it ie previously owned by spray painter or panel beater but absolutely hopeless . on the underbody .. Aka just finishing a work truck one owner . New to 2nd owner .Dragging uneven pad wear . Passed roadworthy inspection just barely ,,plus emergency brake not releasing properly . So badly corroded overhauled front and rear brakes . 2nd owner was amazed as how the condition could be passable and needso much repair .
Just as a precaution check the differential vent on that. I can imagine wheel seals are a job also!
recently had to start up and move a SETRA double decker in australia,luckily i was told it only had brakes on the tag,this thing was absolutely dangerous to drive,it had jake brakes on the 8v82 turbo,and the ATEC allison had a retarder,but the owner drove it accross australia like this with his own family in it,to top it off the accellerator pedal stuck on full throttle,and he then drove it accross town like that after i got it up and running with a starter motor from a broken series 60 engine LOL,rodney taylor def aint the sharpest tool in the shed
Dang, that's rough as a corncob.
keep the clips coming
Cheers gents
Holy cow just one axle for $5000😊
Fancy modern bus parts are expensive
New brake drum and brake shoes plus a brake can… $800-$900. Buying a bus with disc brakes might be a pre purchase decision when you think of future maintenance requirements.
Brakes and steering more important than the rest of the vehicle.
That’s a chunk of $$$$ but well spent.
I always wondered why the dot would not inspect these buses like Class 8 vehicles….only in Missouri.
And even then I think that was only for mc registers………42 yrs of seeing it …what do you think about that.
Or would it not make a difference……you do fine work.
I still find it ludicrous that some shops will do a hack job on a motor coach and let it go on the road!
Disc brakes don´t like parking for weeks.
It´s made for drive every day.
If the disc is to rusty, you never get ist clean with new pads.
The only way to keep it clean, move the vihicle once a week.
The other 5 hubs disc brakes look fine
Just one wheel was like that?
Here is OZ we have a nick name for people like this but I expect is is aptly descriptive of this machine. Mudguards is the name, shiny on top shit underneath.
It’s a worry when you say this bus had been in service.The new owner should be taking your bill back to them and asking them to explain Thier service procedures! Obviously not very good! 🇦🇺🍺🍺
It never ceases to amaze me how these people spend all this money on these motor coaches and then grossly neglect the most basic of maintenance items. Is it neglectful owners or unscrupulous mechanics that worked on them??
He just bought it and brought it in for an inspection and for us to address any issues that came up.
Dang i have been in the wrong business. I have been an auto mechanic for 28 years i think i’m switching to buses!
Your tools are all too small for this kind of work ;)
@@BusGreaseMonkey yea but i can sell $80 thousand in tools and get the ones i need LOL. And about a 1/4 of my tools are for diesel’s because of some of the heavy equipment that i used to work on. But seriously I’m going to check around and figure out if its worth it in my area.
The owner of that bus should have painted them brakes parts and keep em clean like pressure washing in the winter time
that looks pretty typical for rotors in northern Ohio (deep in the rusty salt belt), especially if not driven daily. they go away very fast, all other rusty salt belt states are the same way.
new today drive once a week or in short bursts over winter and let them sit = fully trashed brake system. heck even in the summer and rain only driving once a week or so, they get nearly that bad.
junk mettlurgy, I'd say.
Inexcusable that some states are still allowed by the EPA to spread toxic and corrosive materials on roads doing this sort of damage. It is prohibited at airports.
WOW...what brakes? Lol..
So I would imagine that bus has to get a state inspection every year, wouldn’t that one brake rotor and pads fail state because the pads are not contacting the rotor at 100%?
It depends upon the state. Some have inspections for all vehicles, some are only commercial. Many states have no inspections required for any privately owned vehicle regardless of size.
@@chris6200 wow thats scary the governor of Virginia where I live thought of doing away with the state inspection a few years ago and the State police and other people said "Um you probably dont want to do that" knowing that there would be a lot of death traps driving down the road.
A lot of miles in snow country of the rust belt.
Do you guys have/use a large tank of acid to clean radiators and parts? Love your channel
NASA just called, no refund for the rotor and caliper
owner should be arrested
Wow never saw the breaks before buying the bus? Really? well good to go now...
my truck sounds like that. turn up the radio max the bass and the noise problem fix.
Wow, that was the worst disk brake I have ever seen. Was it in a flood, salt water?
This bus had to have spent most of its life in the NorthEast. So much rust had to come from heavily salted roads. Painful expense.
Salt lake city.
@@BusGreaseMonkey Makes sense!
How is it that I've been pulled by DOT twice. 1st time I was 5 PSI low in 1 tire, 2nd time my marker strip was out. All the while there's busses like this one on the road.
just needs some high speed hard braking lol
Most RV buses are poorly maintained because the owners have no idea what needs attention mechanically. They just put fuel, oil, and water on and drive away. If you never owned a bus before you have no clue, and most likely present a danger on the road to others. If you thought a bus is affordable, its not. Drive with lots of caution around busses that are not owned and operated by a commercial operator.
That bad previous brake job was almost certainly done when it was in revenue service. So much for you thinking commercial operators do things better
We’ve got literally thousands of buses here in the northern NJ area, MTA, NJ Transit, long haulers like Peter Pan or Greyhound, Monsey Trails, and so on. Having watched your channel for a couple years now, I have to wonder how many of those buses are rolling death traps like this one. It’s scary.
Not great but they did work.
Must be a lot of people owning these busses who can't afford to run and maintain them properly. They look nice from the outside but underneath they look like sh.. 👎
Some parts are meant to be scrap.
Salt Belt Roads.
If brakes are thst bad what does suspension look like or air system?
do you have in usa periodic inspections of ur cars?
Do you still ride the Ebikes, and how are they doing.?
Worst? You ain't never worked on transit bus brakes. Pure cinders & a 200+ pound drum to wrestle off/on.
That thing did a lot of sitting & then had some bonehead driving it like a Camry. I use the HF Herc exclusively for everything, unbeatable for the price.
What’s a caliper weigh?
Man what a pile of weight on an axle.
Disc brakes are actually lighter than drum brakes, something like 200lbs per axle........
@@randallvos
That’s true, I was curious about the calipers.
Having only worked on my car, his son looked like he was lifting about 50 lbs! 😂?
was it in a flood ?
Only one wheel was like that.
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