Labour: Public service cuts will hurt frontline services | Q+A 2024
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- Labour's public service spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says the Government is choosing to deliver tax cuts over maintaining the public services Kiwis need. However, when reflecting on the growth of the public service during the Labour-led Government, she says people probably didn't feel services had improved.
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Incompetence is the right word.
Thank you, Jack. You asked relevant questions with facts. We got the answers whether we agree with them or not. Good journalism.
Having worked at a council if they slash 3/4 of the jobs the same amount of work will get done
But the workers are then facing burnout and unrealistic overtime. There are being made to work more for not reward.
Organizations must review processes often. Councils and government have to ensure they follow laws and delegated authorities correctly. Liability! "Leakey buildings"
So who answer the phones? Who will collect the rubbish? Who will help a person at the library? Who will approve building permits, and cut grass in park etc?
Rubbish that's subjective. I did 2 decades in private sector, half the people were warming seats. Now in public sector and everyone's full on, bottlenecks and delays resulting from team size reductions from recent restructures aren't helping. Some depts totally gone and nobody even handles some of those things anymore - just go into a void, it's nuts. Lots of people burnt out and deflect things I've noticed because they have too much to do, means public often get nowhere with stuff they need.
That says it all.
This minister has her head in the clouds, over run of public services with well below return for the people in need.
Evidence? Reckons don't count.
I'd bet everyone alive thanks to te whatu ora giving them the healthcare they desperately required for years would say the return was good. I was quite happy to get the heart medication, and the surgery I found out I would've been dead before 35 without. That's another 20+ year of tax from me, which wasn't being addressed before whatu ora
I think incompetence is the right word.
@@BrettCooper4702totally agree, keyboard warriors spout out and make claims which are devoid of facts and legitimate data.
Have to say Jack you did well, holding the facts up for your guest to see, finally the penny dropped when the Election results were mentioned. Also, for your guest to infer the new school lunch roll out isn't healthy, as a health minister she would have to re write the healthy eating guidelines and nutrition for the whole of NZ
An absolute masterclass in saying words only for reality to smack you so hard that all you can do is spin.
All kiwis should be glad Aysha Verrall is not anywhere near a seat of power.
Compared to Cigga Reti and the associate minister who is owned by the smoking lobbyists?
Proof that you can’t form an argument without being silly.
Mate she actually answers every question unlike almost any current minister… I don’t understand what people aren’t seeing here. Not saying labour was great or anything but the fact is that almost all current ministers just redirect to party talking points. Some of them don’t even know their own policy (mark mitchell looking at you)
what a retarded response, i guess you got a hardon listening to Mitchell who came across as thick as pig shit
She’s answering them incorrectly though. Every time she was rebuffed by facts. The huge increase in public spending has shown no material difference. That speaks to poor leadership from the ministers, her included.
was this cost saving not started by the prev Labour govt as Robinson stated that all depts had to save 6plus percent
Yes, Labour in 2023 said wanted reduce the cost. I think 3 % but often this could be achieved by not filling vacancies.
Leaner doesn't mean meaner. Smarter is the way to go. Adding technology while improving services. This coalition government has the answers
cant even answer where they're getting the money from for their rich mate tax cuts
@tommcg7564 they suggest they will still borrow. If you need to borrow, it means you are short of income.
If "This coalition government has the answers" then why are we not seeing any answers?
@BrettCooper4702 spin doctors have not written them yet may be!
@@tommcg7564 what's ur salary bro
When asked, Verral couldn’t give a valid reason that Landlords should be treated differently to all other businesses that can deduct business expenses like interest and be taxed only on profit.
Easy answer to this one is always.. if you want landlords to be treated like a business then you must also pay capital gains taxes. like other businesses
bloody cracked record what a dreamer
when comes to education Labour how about we concern ourselves with whether a child can read and write and not the color of their skin.
It was painful listening to her Labour views, Jack put her to the sword though.
No surprises there.
What would you expect ?
@@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj not much from Labour ministers failing portfolios
It will make them focus on work instead of political pressure or gain
Problem is that, cutting these services back disproportionately harms the most vulnerable/disadvantaged in society, it’s all lean as it is.
Were we seeing any improvements in these areas with the huge expenditure put towards them with the previous Govt though? The figures suggest no and in fact it got worse in a lot of cases.
Now I'm not saying we don't need to be sorting these problems and helping those in need. But the wastage of money as we have just seen is not the way to help the vulnerable. Labour basically chucked money in a lolly scramble fashion with zero plan to make it work, I witnessed this first hand and it had to stop.
@@ZaneLike Exactly, billions more spent with worse outcomes.. total fail from the red team!
@@ZaneLikeweirdly I think this line of questioning is the most valid one for criticising the previous govt. the problem is though that the improvements people expect aren’t taken in the right context. My view is that most policy decisions take a while to see results, and govt works slow. National under invests, labour has to over invest and it’s a cycle where results show up in the next govt and they take credit for them. So while I understand the results argument is valid I think it’s deeply flawed
The increased public services under Labour didn't increase the services to the public
In the last 6 years, what services have you used the most often?
That's a slogan, please show your evidence. OIA requests for details and the like as your reckons are not real data.
Strange, HNZ started taking applications again which showed over 50,000 kiwi's were in desperate need for that service National denied them. The police funding freeze being ended after 5 years made a difference by.... being allowed to hire more police.
I'd call those "services to the public"
@@BrettCooper4702 as productivity didn't increase. They still had to hire consultants to consult and waiting lists in health do not reduce by having more people in an office and literacy and numeracy didn't get any better by adding people to the ministry of education in Wellington. Child poverty and homeless families increased. The promised 100.000 houses that were going to be built we are still waiting on as well
If there was an increase then the people in those roles could have been identified and seen if the value was there.
The blunt %6 cut is not good at targeting the deadwood in the public service.
Jack, surprises will be cuts, benefit settings and new taxes.
Cut the services more
And this why you don't make doctors m.ps
Wow Jack what a good interview. Well done and good questions. Fail for Ayesha Verrall and actually great question about Blakely you are right to question imo he is not independent.
We need our own version of a snl skit and put fun into politics. I would love to see someone play Ayesha and admitting to spending tax payers money on a 12 pk dunkin donut special every week
CEO's are responsible structures of departments mainly.
If public servants cut ? People are unemployed Then again crime rates will increase no remedy .
Its Labour's fault. If they didn't waste so much money from a previous budget surplus left by the last National government we wouldn't be in this mess.
You ate all the colitions talking points
Well that’s not true at all. National had put us at our then, largest debt in our nations history after Key borrowed over 30 billion due to, and this is a direct quote, “The rates being too good to pass up”. Less than a year before the chch quake.
They never got in the black in the rest of their 9 year term. I get you have a clear agenda, but if you’re going to lie, why lie about something so poorly!?!?!? It’s a matter of public record you fucken genius, available for anyone to google in 0.2 seconds.
But you are the perfect example of a liar and tribal political supporter when you have to try and lie about something as public as national DEBT to try and make your side look good.
@@BrettCooper4702 I eat facts. 2017 when national left office = Crown debt $59.48 Billion and budget surplus $4.1 billion
2023 when Labour left office = Crown debt $91.2billion and a deficit of $7.6 billion.
The problem in NZ is uninformed people like you voting for parties who are financially irresponsible.
We should teach financial literacy in school, and perhaps we wont have financially uneducated citizens making poor decisions at the polls and voting on emotions which lead to poorer outcomes for us all.
Double speak.
Every Politician is the same nowadays
What role BUA JI
National's policies are absurd. Throw public servants and their familes on the unemployment scrap head in a recessionary environment. Give landlords a $3bn tax cut.
A reduction in the public service could have been achieved by holding nominal wages constant and allowing natural attrition to reduce the numbers.
Bob Jones said he loves labour governments as they always increase the number of civil servants so his buildings get leased by government. Jacinda increased civil servants by 15000, biggest ever tax take with worst results ever. Less government is better government
How are landlords getting a tax cut? You mean by reinstating tax consistency and allowing them to deduct expenses like all other businesses? Explain to me why they should be singled out for different tax treatment to, say, alcohol or vape retailers or fast food outlets? I’ll wait….
@@gary3074 Every other business pays tax....
@@gary3074 because the tax working group clearly showed that investment in property had a significant tax advantage over other asset classes instead of a level playing field. This advantage has now been reestablished. NZ is nothing more than a property market with a tiny economy tacked on. We waste precious capital unproductively bidding up land prices instead of that capital going into productive businesses that actually grow the NZ economy and it’s shockingly low productivity.
If you want to see the bias of Jack Tame's "reporting" look at how in interviews this lady compared to the Mark Mitchell's recent interview. Lets her talk and fully explain her angle. Mark gets interrupted constantly and pushed back on. Very soft on Ayesha
Must invite Ashley Broomfield and jacinda ardern in ur show together. goonna be block buster. u have ur all answers from them
Why go on about old news and not address current news?
Ayesha could not defend the massive increase in public servants with no improvement in outcomes
Ayesha Verrall is completely out of her depth. Her numbers are utter crap. Pathetic.
labour - good at marketing but cant deliver....
I thought you were describing Seymour
NZ saved more lives than any other country through the lockdowns. Have we seen the suicide statistics during this period? I understand it was all unknowns at the time but we need an honest review. Put some clear plans in place from being honest about the successes and failures. What level of mortality rate vs infection rate would deem lockdowns and the effects they have. Should we only lockdown some people (high risk). Jack asked some good questions but was fairly soft on the follow up he could have easily said no the results were actually worse despite the extra spent it was this much worse. But glad to hear some push back
Lockdowns didn't save lives the comparison between European countries proves this.
You, like the rest of the ministers in government, are completely unprepared!
Why are you not sufficiently advised to make informed decisions?
I don't need to hear more election campaigning jargon!
What? You know this is an interview and there are only lose questions provided ahead of time. It's not like they get a question, have time off to research and then respond.
The "election campaigning jargon" is in your head, you bias is blocking your ears.
Too many cooks spoil the broth. These jobs were never needed real jobs, 16000 unneeded extra jobs. This constipation in the economy!
WOW, we are soooo luck not to have her as a minister anymore.
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Is who we have now better?
@@BrettCooper4702 when you hit rock bottom like we did under Jacinda / chippy govt you can only do better regardless who it is and how good they are
@@WashRite You have a short memory if you can’t remember the homelessness crisis, people literally dying in NZ streets by freezing to death, a police funding freeze for over half a decade, medical staff walking off the job and losing us THOUSANDS of medical professionals and call the last government “rock bottom”. But hey, you got your wish.
We’re going back to the days of mass homelessness and insane inflation thanks to your ignorant voting. This is the problem with going on political tribalism instead of facts and evidence. You pretend the bad stuff never happened, and a stumble on the sidewalk is a broken leg with swords sticking out of you.
Labour did do well with the people in the Covid epidemic can't deny that however looking in other avenues they were pretty infact too generous financially in some areas where the country couldn't afford to keep paying bringing about this deficit National has inherited. However National have now made some decisions in areas which are not too bright.
She is talking through her arse
Good call to cut public service jobs! National is doing exactly what is needed to be done
Why not u r inviting jacinda ardern in ur show ?
Because you animals threatened her kid. People like you are the reason for political decline and violence in this country.
Jacinda is a black ⚫️ spot in the history of New Zealand 🇳🇿. But don't worry, luxon will come back strongly.
What a cooker. There is no black sport, that's only in your head champ.
She's internationally celebrated. Your family won't even talk to you
@@tanepukenga1421yet can't show her face in public in her own country 😂
@@mobbarley7517 Because of violent asshole like you threatening her and her families safety. Congratulations on wrecking our MP system so we can't speak to our legally elected representatives. Great job
Why she sound like crying all the time ?
Ayesha Verrall doesn't flinch at the hard hitting questions. Respect. She doesn't hesitate either, to say what's disturbing with this current govt policies, especially their cutting public services and at the same time employing consultants and paying them double for the same services. All members of the trio have constantly said they won't give us figures because they are not back from the 'experts'. Would it be possible to find out who those experts are, or is that to remain a secret from NZers?
Q&A was fascinating this morning.
Representing the Govt Minister Mitchell.
He was repetitive, ill informed, clear as mud, lied, couldn't answer questions, pushed nonsensical policies.
Representing the Opposition Aysha Verrall.
Clear, concise, factual, reasonable and, yes, answered questions.
Your insane without addressing Mitchell who's clearly fos, this women was debunked at every turn your political bias is horrific
This is purely a style point, but she needs to sort out the voice she is using when being interviewed in the media. It sounds like she is quivering with nervousness and is about to start crying. Very off-putting to listen to, and distracts from the policy points she is trying to make.
I’ve often thought this too but it’s just her normal voice. Guess that’s not easy to change. She is probably aware of it
So your easily distracted by the sounds of the message to a point where you can no longer hear the message.
That's a you problem not a them problem.
Train wreck of an interview.
For every external statistic that criticises the last government they just claim “those aren’t the details I’ve seen” or other pathetic excuse and harp on about their success according to their own measures which nobody actually believes anymore.
Everyone who actually checks their shit believes it, cause we checked the numbers you trusted others to be honest about. There was a reason everyone professional was making fun of national's claims they could give landlords a 3b tax cut without borrowing. They didn't blindly believe the national propaganda.
Don't blame everyone else cause you fell for it.
A healthy dynamic public service with intelligent public servants would have greatly improved, Wellington and NZ. Whether th capital should have remained the Capital is dubious. The Auckland CBD was built to be the Capital and is the only real NZ city built above and below the ground, ie street level is floor 5-7 and suburban class divisions between upper middle class and the working and underclass are faced, simply by crossing the street in say Mt Eden or Grey Lynn as well as America and Australia. Moving the Capital to Kapiti/Otaki/PN with the port at Foxton was also a better option than continuing with Wellington Hutt due to climate, geology and fact small close housing in Wellington inhibited social life.
A real country required much larger Foreign Affairs, defence, internal affairs, transport, railways planners and economist and environment. and energy departments
Far fewer social workers and health officials would also be desirable. Social medicine and psychiatry are fraudulent Marxist religious cults against human interest People not intelligent enough to appreciate sex, pleasure and simply living are the point of life. Those who disagree the Salvationist are so thick as not to be worth it. The Wellington proletariat should have been forced out of the Hutt by expanding the very intelligent bureaucracy from the 194Os. The Hutt proletariat would have been relocated in sink poorly served areas on the coast of obscure regions and reservations in the central North Island and Central Otago.
Labour wants to make sure kids school lunches is like going to a restaurant….its just mad shit
She is sly and shifty. A masterclass in bs.
No, her numbers check out. National made international news because their numbers haven't since pre-election.
this women contradicted herself so many times. She is an absolute joke and proved herself to be on every question. She tried to fudge the figures that Tame had and then said the figures she had were different. She also pulled the old covid excuse. This woman is stale and incompetent as was clearly shown in the health sector under her reign.
Jack Tame is Woke
Woke is a good thing. Woke: being socially aware, especially of issues like inequality and injustice. It's about understanding and advocating for change.
Are you against those things because that would kid of make your a really horrible person.
@@BrettCooper4702woke has too many bullshit narratives pandering to extreme minorities who are demanding insane rights e.g trans men competing against women in sport & wanting to use female toilets & prisons. Too many people running on feelings not facts & rational thinking.
I used to think this but I am finding him much better lately. Good questions and good research by Jack on this interview. I think he is improving and learning. I think it is hard to generalize accurately.
@BrettCooper4702 woke isn't a good thing compassion is, allowing men to use women's toilets and rainbow crossings is woke rubbish and detrimental to society.
Bag o hammers !!!
This woman is obviously pathetic and incompetent…..and she is a senior person in the labour party…no wonder nz is stuffed…just obscene
The hilarious thing is you calling her incompetent when her numbered checked out shows you can't do the same math both she can. Talk about an own goal
?? WTF cant make any sense of your comments,sounds like you might have missed a few school days like a big percentage of other kids these days . Learn how to put a sentence together so we can agree or disagree with you. !!@tanepukenga1421
She doesnt know poo shes stuttering big time