Good video, I had previously purchased the Ruger Precision .22 and the Bushnell Pro scope thru my own research and am glad we both agree on them. Looking forward to your videos on setup and practical application in the sport.
Hi. Thanks for creating this series. I'm retired and used to plink a lot back in the day. I'm getting into some bench rest shooting and Academy Sports made me an offer I couldn't refuse on a Ruger a week ago. I put a budget CVLite 6X24 scope on it. The combination shoots pretty well, but I'm interested in stepping up to better glass. I also picked up a Savage MK II in 22 LR, and it too shoots way better than I can, but when I'm doing my job on the bench they both shoot quarter sized groups at 50 yards easily, and I've been spending most of my time with them working on breathing and trigger control, so far. Our local club has a bench rest match weekly and I'm looking at other's guns for ideas as well. Both are a little picky on ammo but both seem to like CCI Target and Aquilla Standard velocity the best.
I am mostly a hand gun shooter but interested in stating rimfire. I do agree with your choice but it would have been nice to see the Savage B22 PRECISION rifle in the mix
This video was exactly what I was looking for. Yesterday, I was scoping out some rifles (pun intended) and I was discouraged because I couldn't find a good combo to fit the budget I thought was set ($1,050). Knowing what you just said, I know which rifle to buy and I can get the scope I had my eye on...again, pun intended. Gret job. I am subscribed and looking forward to next videos as they come out.
Glad I could help. My ranking may not be the same as yours, but it should give you an idea of the most common options for Base Class. I appreciate the subscription! Lots more videos coming soon!
Thanks for the video it should have a lot of interest. From my experience, and what I see at the NRL matches around my area honestly the Ruger isn't in the same ballpark. I'm not trying to bash Ruger at all but it's just not a popular gun in NRL for a lot of reasons. After market triggers are available for all of them as far as I know. I would also say a one pound trigger or less on a CZ is an easy adjustment without any spring change, we've done it many times. A spring change does make it easier though. It's also worth mentioning if someone wants to move up to open class later on, the sky is the limit for a couple of these rifles, not so much for the Ruger Your build will definitely interest a lot of people and I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes. I can tell you've got a well though out plan. Thanks again for all the work you've already put into your video, great job
Thanks for watching! I've heard the Ruger gets a bad reputation, but I wanted to try something new since I use a CZ in open class. If it doesn't work out I'll be the first to admit it. As for the triggers, the triggers are available, but I was referring to the footprint/architecture. The Ruger is proprietary to the RPRF (the Ruger American doesn't have the same trigger). Same with the CZ, it's unique to the 457 (455/452 triggers are different). The Tikka shares the same footprint as the t3x centerfire rifles and the Rem 700 is pretty ubiquitous. Sorry if that was unclear.
Very well thought out and presented video. When I decided to get into BR and precision 22lr competition my research eliminated two guns rather quickly One was the Savage B22 Precision due to it having well documented chronic issues with both miss feeds and ejection and far to many guys at my rifle club had owned and sold the Ruger RPR due to poor and inconsistent accuracy issues. I hope you got a good one because no one I've yet met who owned one did
Thanks! It did pretty well at the October match: czcams.com/video/Xj0RwuctRrY/video.html Lot testing was key and a barrel tuner helped tighten the groups.
@Ryan Mcfadden Do a you tube search on Savege B22 22lr FTF and FTE and you will see what I speek of. Very well documented problems with I was very upset about as I own more than a few (7 actually) Savage rifles and really liked the feel and fit of the B22
@@arthurdirindinjr1792 Yeah b22 was a step down from the mk2 in my opinion.. I have mk2 that does 1/2" groups at 100 with eley match and I'm not a precision shooter.
Bergara BMR is the sleeper here. Running a cheap Bushnell Banner II 4X12 (lots of room to up-grade glass for NRL22 base) it hangs with my buddy's tricked-out ($$$) 457 consistently. He's no slouch either, shooting centerfire @ a mile. Kicker is, I picked it up at a LGS running a 20% off sale for a hair over $450. $99 glass and I'm having a ball for under $600. Luckily it likes the taste of CCI SV, but really loves Eley Tennex EPS when I can afford to feed it!
I do like the Tikka, it’s great, the CZ works fine and smooth, the Bargara I don’t know, I never get the chance to shoot one, I would go for the RPR, but in the end I went for the RAR LRT, it’s more expensive but has more weight, longer heavy barrel (22”), LOP and CR, can tune the trigger a bit. I’m very happy and it is accurate, me as a mediocre shooter am doing
Timney and JARD Inc both make triggers for the RPRR if you want to go aftermarket with it. Anarchy Outdoors has precision rifle grip angles and higher MOA rails for the RPRR as well. The m-lok fore-end also allows for easy Arca-swiss compatability. All around the RPRR is a great base to work from.
After a long methodical process, ive purchasd the RPR myself and am also looking to build one out, so am intrigued to see how your final build comes out. New subscriber, enjoying the content!
I so wanted to get a Ruger for ARA factory class, especially because of the number of 10/22 mags I already have. I just can't get past the look and feel of the RPR. It screams 1990's paintball gun to me. And their other bolt rimfire options get middling reviews at best. I ended up with a CZ Varmint, which limited my scope options a bit due to its MSRP ($650), but I found the Athlon (Argos 8-34 x 56) will work for me at just under the MSRP limit.
Yes, I have the Timney for my CZ. There are aftermarket triggers for all the rifles. It is the footprint/architecture that is proprietary to the CZ 457 (i.e. not compatible with CZ 452/455) whereas the Bergara uses Rem 700 triggers.
Just discovered your videos today, ordered the Ruger today, going to pick it tomorrow morning, next is the scope, I am used to the vortex diamondback (have two of those, MOA version) so probably will go for a third vortex 6x24x50, MOA also.)Plan to follow all your upgrades for the Ruger. Thanks, sound like a lot of fun. Yes, I subscribed to your channel.
I've mostly heard that the Ruger is hot and cold but I dont know how you could grade that attribute. I have a Bargara B14 that I love to shoot but I'm disapointed in the over-all accuracy. My most accurate rimfire rifle is the CZ 457 MTR but only slightly better than my 452 american. So my limited experience the CZ'S are more likely to offer the best accuracy. I have subscribed to your channel and will follow your Ruger project. Thanks for your presentation.
I just started last year myself, I turn 63 shortly. I shot with a friend that's the same age and my brother that's 69 years old. Are we competitive? Not even close, most of the time we're mid pack with a few top fives Running stages is a young man's game but we just do what we can. If you have a good club to shot with you'll have a ball and a few good laughs!
I own the Ruger Precision Rimfire and it is phenomenally accurate! I was hitting sub .40 inch groups at 50 yards. I can then adjust it down to my nine year old and he hits pop cans at 100 yards with no issues. Great choice of a rifle!
Great Video. Loved the matrix table showing an objective decision. Got me to subscribe as love the clear transparent info. Looking forward to seeing more videos on the Ruger Precision Rimfire. Cheers
I have the rpr rimfire I have put in the timney trigger and replaced the barrel with the Lilja and a arken 6to24 it likes Eley match the barrel at first I thought it was a waste of $ now that it has a few hundred rounds through it it has come in and shoots lights out way better than I can shoot it’s fun to get a 22 to shoot one hole groups now
Nice to hear, glad it's working out for you. Changing the barrel does move you from Base Class to Open Class though, but good to know there is an upgrade path.
I also have the Ruger. My scope is a Vortex Venom 5-25 which puts me out of base. I would have to use my Athlon 6-24 which would put me in base. It’s a good scope that I did use for ARA
I thought cant is the left or right / sideways tilt of scope and / or rifle. I always though that what you described was the slope of the scope, like a 20 moa scope mount is doing. Never to old to learn new terms.
Just bought my ruger precision rimfire. have not fired it yet. I bought a scope that exceeded the msrp for both, so got to buy another. i have a vortex venom so i will have wife shoot it with a different rifle that meets the msrp.
i bought the rpr22 and it shot well - super accurate and smooth, using a vortex diamondback scope. but i had to switch to vudoo so i could get a precision 22 left-handed because my right eye took a dump. and its a great gun.
I do everything right handed, but am left eye dominate and since the age of 8 with my Daisy BB gun, I’ve always shot rifles left handed. To this very day I shoot my CZ 455 in a Manners stock topped with Vortex Viper PST GEN2 5-25x50 FFP and shoot left handed. It’s rare to see people shooting RH rifles left handed but I’ve seen a few. We are still working the bolt with our right hands with our left hand never coming off the pistol grip. You might give that a try.
Yes, that should have been included. However, the curved nature of the 25 round (like the Ruger 25 round mag) makes it difficult to use on barricades/with a bag.
CZ Provarmint. They don't seem to be as finicky with ammo, so if the best shooting ammo isn't available you can still be competitive. And for kind of the same reason the 16.5" barrel being a touch slower may shoot well with pistol match ammo that would be supersonic in longer barrels. But none of them on your list would be a bad choice.
Yes I would, especially with the new cost cap of $1300. However, it may not be as easy to add upgrades since it is in a stock versus a M-Lok chassis. I would also look into offerings from CZ. I run a CZ457 in Open Class.
While I don’t agree with your choice, I do agree with your concept. I don’t think in general, they will provide the accuracy you can any/need. However, you may have gotten lucky and gotten a good one. Looking forward to this series to see how it comes out.
@@CopperStarPrecision no experience with the Tika or the BMR. I’m pretty happy with my CZ for base class. It wears an Athlon Argos BTR. I don’t shoot it much since I’ve bought my B14R and put a Cronus on it. I’ve shot against a number of the RPR and never seen one that was a serious competitor. I love Ruger firearms, having a bunch of single action, MK series, and 10/22. I’ve had a couple of RAR, but neither provided the accuracy I desired. Best of luck with yours. Despite my not agreeing with your choice, I do look forward to seeing it play out.
Nice. As you've probably noticed from the other videos I also use a CZ, but since it's a 457 MTR with a Vortex StrikeEagle on it I compete in Open Class. I too have heard many mixed reviews on the performance of the RPRF so I wanted to put it to the test. Lots more content coming soon.
Savage has a couple models with a mdt stocks now . Also a lot of people are really impressed with the Arken scope for the price it offers a lot of quality . Not saying any of the others are better or worse , but just adding more choices for your viewers .
My RPRF is a little disappointing especially for nrl22 style work. Its plenty accurate however it often has issues extracting. 1 in 50 tends to fail to extract.
I own a Tikka T1X and gotta say it shoots WAAAAAY better at 50 and 100yrds than a rifle in its price point than anyone can possibly expect it to Was going to sell it to fund a CZ then on the advice of a experienced 22lr competitor I shot some SK pistol match special at 50 yards 10 five shot groups and not one over .41" Needless to say didnt sell my T1x. As far as the Ruger precision 22lr goes five members of my rifle club own them all five are very disappointed in thier accuracy and yes they shot lagit $15/box match grade 22lr ammo out of them Would be OK for NLR station shooting but forget using them for precision matches 5 of 5 failing to produce consistent. 5moa 5 shot groups at 50 IMO eliminated the RPRF form 50 yard BR precision use Id still chose my T1x over the RPRF for all applications
That's fair. Mine shoots better than what others are seeing, but I still don't think it would cut it as a Benchrest rifle. I just started shooting ARA benchrest matches and for the factory class it looks like the CZ457 MTR and the Bergara B14-r are the most popular.
My biggest pet peeve is when shooters talk about accuracy. Yes every rifle is ammo specific that I agree with. No one ever mentions that a rifle is only as accurate as the shooter behind thr trigger. STOP the ammo blame game.
I don't shoot NRL22, but I've owned almost two dozen 22's and shoot the caliber exclusively. I wouldn't touch an RPR - sloppy action and cheap looking plastic chassis. Looking at all the specs being compared, I would have recommend a CZ457 Pro Varmint 16". Out of the box it shoots the lights out and you can modify the trigger with a BIC lighter spring and some sear polishing. I owned a Pro Varmint and the only reason I sold it was to get a B14R Trainer. Was the B14R worth the extra money? Absolutely. But I still wish I had the Pro Varmint, it was one of the best 457's I've ever owned and I've owned many.
I have a Ruger 1121. It shoots CCI SV and Norma very well. It's also more accurate than my Tikka T1X. What I hate is the "gimmicky" of many NRL22 stages. There is so many moves in stages that I feel gymnastics is more important than shooting!!
It can get pretty crazy on some stages. There are a lot of other smallbore competitions like benchrest, ARA, and F-Class that don't have all of the crazy movements.
I did, but I've personally held the CZ with the At-One stock and it just didn't fit me well. The length of pull wasn't right for me (I'm 6' tall) and even fully adjusted outward it still felt short. The rifle didn't have a great balance to it either. I do like the CZ action though, and my Open Class rifle is a CZ457.
I've always been a fairly good shot but at 72 my eyesight isn't what it used to be. Still, with a scope, I think I could still enjoy shooting NRL. Are there classes for the older shooters? It sounds like a lot of fun.
Any competitor aged 60 or older is classified as an OG (Old Gun). Furthermore, if you have any special needs/considerations that limit you from safely participating in the stage as it is written, there is also the Adaptive division. If you look at the courses of fire published by the NRL22 organization there will be an Adaptive recommendation that should help accommodate those who may be unable to do all of the movements on stages. You can get a more in depth look at the rules on the NRL22 website under section 5.B.7 and 5.B.8 The sport is an absolute blast while still being challenging and competitive. We have many senior shooters, and they do quite well. There is a learning curve to this style of competition, so don't get discouraged during your first few matches. If you look at other videos on my channel, I break down each stage of each month's course of fire with strategy, tips and tricks on how to do better. I always publish these videos before the first match of the month so that you have time to watch them and strategize. While I do not cover the adaptive alternate stage description, the tips should still help out. I also publish full match footage so you can get a feel for how things go during the actual match. I wholeheartedly encourage you to seek out a match (typically through a website called Practiscore) or look on the NRL22 website for a club near you. You can even find Match Directors' contact information on the site so that you could reach out with any questions or concerns. Most are welcoming of spectators if you want to go to watch a match and get a feel for the sport. I hope you give it a chance, but be careful, it can be addicting! Let me know if there's any other questions I can answer or if I can facilitate your journey in any way.
The ruger precision Rimfire shoots like shit. Very ammo picky. Can't hit anything from 100m. Seen alot at the range. I would not buy it at 50% off. The RPR 6.5cm is way better than what they attempted with the. 22
Sure is lot of bashing on the Ruger RFP here. I bought one, it shoots just as good as my CZ457 Varmint. And its not near as fussy on ammo choices either.
I know this is an old video but hopefully somebody might see this question and be able to answer it. If you purchased a gun like the CZ 457 that came with the stock are you allowed to change it to a chassis and stay in the base category?
In short, no. If you change the configuration of the rifle to another stock/chassis that is offered by the manufacturer AND still come in under the price cap then you are fine. However, the only chassis currently offered from CZ is the model with the MDT ACC Premier chassis at $1899 MSRP which is way over the cost cap of $1300. There were some older models of the CZ 457 in a chassis, but those too were over the price cap for base class. If you decide to go that route, you would have to compete in open class.
I have a CZ 457 MTR that I shoot in Open Class, but since it has given me first round flyers due to the tight bore I am putting a new barrel on it. Other than the first round it shoots very well, but price wise puts you out of base class. For Base Class I would lean towards the CZ 457 Varmint (MSRP $625). It is the standard heavy-barreled version of the 457 and the 20.5" straight tapered barrel helps with overall balance and gives good velocity/harmonics. The barrel does not come threaded, so if you need that you would have to take it to a gunsmith. The Pro Varmint does come with a threaded barrel, but it's only 16.5" length.
Just bought the base 457 american with the threaded 20” barrel for the same purpose. I have the area 419 scope base and bolt knob coming and now that the rifle is $519 MSRP I am trying to get ahold of an Arken EP5. While money is an object, I am building a Ruger American Rimfire for CMP spotter class at the same time, so, my build will lag behind yours. Are you allowed to post where you are sourcing ammo from?
Nice! I have a CZ 457 MTR that I use for Open Class. As for scope choice I have a video coming out Monday. I should have considered the Arken scope as it looks promising. The Bushnell Match Pro ended up being only $375 after the coupon code MP75OFF through their website (spoiler alert, that's what I picked up). I hope some of the Ruger upgrades/modifications I make help your build, but they will be a little more tailored to the NRL22 game. CZcams doesn't allow links to anything firearms related, but I source most of my ammo locally from Burno's Shooting Supplies (they will also ship). Other than that you can compare prices for ammo at places like AmmoSeek. Midway USA has a decent selection, but prices tend to be higher. Unfortunately lot testing is key and there only a few places that allow you to specify lots of ammo. The long term end goal would be to travel to the Laupa Testing Center since it is local to me and film my experience with lot testing. The challenge there is that you'd have to buy a minimum of a case at a time (5000 rounds) which can be a financial burden. Best of luck with your builds and stay tuned for lots more content! Cheers!
Good video and thank you for sharing. To my understanding to get into NRL22 based class rifle and scope msrp cannot exceed $1,200. My dilemma is I have a very precision shotting pre JR Marlin XT-22TR topped off with Leopold Mark AR 4-12x40 scope. It's tube feed and I usually put 15 rounds. Very accurate and consistent with Wolf 40 gr Match Extra. Now both rifle and scope is long out of production. I have not found any literature on my problem with proof of msrp. Does anyone know what I should do other than buying new rifle scope? I have not reached out to NRL folks yet, but thought to ask after watching the video. Cheers all.
Go to nrl22.org/downloads/ and look at any course of fire. The second page will detail the running list of out of production rifles that are considered base class. Marlin is on the list. These rifles must be in their original factory configuration to be eligible for base class. As for the scope you might need to take the original MSRP and adjust for inflation. Tube fed rifles are rarely seen and sometimes discouraged as they are difficult to show as safe (rifle must be unloaded and no rounds in the rifle at end of stage). Also the "load and make ready command" is the only time you can put ammunition in the rifle as most ranges operate as a cold range. Please be sure to check with the Match Director for proper safety procedures. For a club match you are probably fine with permission from the MD, national competitions will have a more strict interpretation of the rules. Hope that helps.
I built a cz pro varment for base class. In your video I am heading that I can use a chassis in base class. I though if I put my base class action in a chassis it would put me in open?
CZ offers chassis for some of it's rifle configurations. So long as that combination is something offered from the factory AND its price meets the budget cap you're okay, however, those models are more expensive and would probably put you out of base class. If you use a chassis that is not provided as an option from the manufacturer then that would automatically move you to Open. Hope that clears it up.
No experience with Semi-auto 22lr rifles and generally speaking unless you're going for a top of the line build (e.g. Volquartsen, Kidd, Clark Custom, etc.) a bolt gun of similar quality would be more accurate... or so I've heard.
I have a lot testing video on my channel. It depends on your use. If you're going for accuracy you probably want some of the higher end match ammo (SK, Lapua, Eley), but if it's just for plinking CCI SV is my go to (not as accurate, but cheap and cycles well). Each rifle is different and you need to find the type and lot that works for what you need.
By chance I ended up on your channel. I was originally going to spend a lot more on a precision rifle for 22LR for shooting long range and did not know that NRL22 existed. I have to admit that it looks like a lot of fun versus just shooting long distances. My dilemma is that I really like the CZ CZ 457 Varmint AT-ONE which retails for $759 for the rifle and the Bushnell MATCH PRO 6-24X50 RIFLESCOPE is $499. I'm just 58 dollars over! I really like both, but I'm not sure which one to give up. Any advice?
I love CZ rifles and shoot one in open class. If you haven't had the chance to handle an AT-ONE stock I would highly recommend holding one before buying. I've found that the length of pull is actually quite short even with the adjustments (I'm 6'00" and it's short for me). For a CZ base class build I would rather have the regular Varmint with the heavy 20.5" barrel. If you really need something threaded out of the box there's also the CZ 457 ProVarmint Suppressor-Ready, but that only has a 16.5" barrel that will be harder to balance and will have lower velocity. The heavy 20.5" barrel of the normal Varmint can always be threaded by a gunsmith later if you want to add a tuner or suppressor and the act of threading the barrel doesn't push you out of base class. These rifles are $625-$679 retail. Also, the non-illuminated Bushnell Match pro is $50 cheaper. It doesn't get you under the limit, but just something to keep in mind. I would try not to skimp on the features of the optic whenever possible. Unfortunately with inflation the way it is, the MSRP of most rifles has increased even though you can find them for less. I imagine they will update the price cap for next season. Also, there is the Precision Rifle Series (PRS) Rimfire matches. They have a class called production that has a $1500 limit. There aren't any PRS Rimfire matches near me, but check to see if you want to go that route. The general idea is the same, but the courses of fire are up to the individual match directors and not the same set of courses nationally like NRL-22. Best of luck!
@@CopperStarPrecision Thanks again. I think that CZ ProVarmint Suppressor ready is the way to go. I watched a video by Paul Harrell in which he showed that there is little difference in velocity in various 22LR barrel lengths. Actually the 16.5 tested best.
@@Quality_Guru I think that would be a good choice. Remember that with the shorter barrel you won't have as much weight out front making the rifle a bit butt heavy. It's a great rifle and I hope you enjoy it. Lot testing with any 22LR is the key to accuracy.
You should have chosen a cz457 that ruger will never work I have some experience I have shot since I was 12 years old I am now 75 and still beating all my local competition. Your bud. Beagleman
I couldn't tell if the pic rail on the Savage has 20MOA of built in cant. If it is flat then that's a point towards the Ruger. I also feel there is more aftermarket support for the Ruger from what I can tell. I haven't had the chance to shoot with the Savage, but it should be more than capable of providing good results in base class once you find the ammo that it likes.
Already have the RPR 22LR. NEED A SCOPE saw your post on best scope but on a fixed income with a $300 maximum outlay can you point me in the right direction. Subscribed yesterday and just hit the RPR post as the rifle you're going to get ready for competition. The scope thing is a bit troubling. Thanks..🇺🇸
I am sure by now you have spent lots of money and upgraded the rifle. That is fun in and of itself but cz is where it's at. Especially if you are going to put upgrades in it.
That's why I shoot a CZ in open class ;-) I just wanted to show what was possible with a rifle that get's a lot of hate, but does have features that make it a contender in base class. Yes I have spent a lot on upgrades, but it shows an upgrade path you can take over time.
I called Beretta today and they quoted the T1X at 699 msrp. Where did you obtain a msrp list for this year? I haven’t been able to find it. I want to get a better scope than a diamondback tactical 4-16, but that’s the best sub 500 msrp optic out there.
Prices have gone up, but the prices are as of June 1st for the whole season (June-May). Maybe you can find an old advertisement with the old MSRP. Sorry I can't be of more help.
@@CopperStarPrecision no worries. I’d just hate to have to get a diff 22 due to the msrp issue. A 699 msrp leaves on a diamondback tactical 4-16 in the budget and a couple others. Bidenomics has screwed everything up. If you can find the msrp sheet, I’d love to know. Hopefully base class msrp will go up due to inflation.
I believe that the rules state that it is the MSRP at the beginning of the season. Due to all this inflation nonsense I assume that they will raise the price limit next year as well.
You can search for matches here: nrl22.org/clubs_matches/ There are 4 in Arizona -Yuma Match Masters -Rio Salado Sportsman's Club -Phoenix Rod and Gun Club -End of the Road Ranch & Wildlife Preserve (Gunsite)
There are timney and trigger tech triggers available for Al these rifles mentioned, I respectfully disagree with your pick, the bolt in the ruger precision rimfire bolt is by far the worst I have ever used, not just mine but a bunch of guys at the club have these also and all have same gripe,
Sorry if I was unclear. Yes, there are aftermarket triggers for all the rifles. What I was referring to was the trigger architecture/footprint. The CZ trigger is unique to the 457 (the 455/452 triggers won't work). Same for the Ruger (the Ruger American Rimfire isn't compatible). The Tikka is the same platform as their centerfire rifles and the Bergara uses the ubiquitous Remington 700 pattern allowing for additional options. I agree that a lot of people have complaints about the RPRF, but that's part of the challenge of the build. I'm going to go over techniques to get the most out of the rifle including bolt polishing, the aluminum tape action bedding hack, and much more. I hope you stick around to see the success (or failure) of the build. Once I have more videos up share them with your clubmates and hopefully we'll all get better accuracy. Cheers.
@Vinny C First, i guess you don`t know much about guns. Seems you just want to jump on your club`s bandwagon and bash the Ruger brand. There are bolt shims available for the RPRF to fix a tight bolt. Been there an done it, $12 for the shims, bolt works like butter on hot toast. Second, you`re not paying the premium for the RPRF either. Its a very good gun for the money...PERIOD. If you think the Ruger is hard to function, you haven`t tried a Savage 22RF chassis model. Savage bolts are horrible. Of the 3 savages that i tried out, 2 of them you couldn`t hardly cycle the bolt because it was so stiff, and machining of their bolts just sucked. The 3rd Savage i tried out, the bolt seized up and locked up solid right in the gun store where i was checking them out. Why don`t you, and your clubbie buddies, go check out the Savage chassis guns, compare it to the Ruger chassis gun, i bet you`ll feel different towards the Ruger brand. The Savage brand is what turned me to the Ruger brand for a cheap chassis gun. The RPRF i bought, will shoot right next to my CZ457 Varmint all day long. And my RPRF is less fussy about ammo vs the CZ457 Varmint i have.
@@D70340 first off let me say I stand by what I said in my post, 4 guys including my self all purchased the ruger precision rimfire all came from different dealers all had same issue with the bolt machining was absolutely horrible , and the shims you speak of would have “zero” effect on the problems we have with the actions , I own many rimfire and center fire rifles I’ve been in this game for decades so I know what I’m talking about, also you say I’m bashing ruger that’s not the case at all I have many rugers my complaint is with this particular rifle, every company ends up with bad apple this is rugers , anyways that’s all I’m saying on this topic , you just obviously don’t know what a good action feels like , that’s ok you’ll understand someday,
Yeah, I’ve seen and heard that too, but I also seen and heard what to do about it, I did buy a RAR LRT and indeed the bolt was dreadful, but I smoothed most of the edges just to make the a little less sharp, also polished it a bit, also smoothed the edge of the action just a little and the result is now that is as smooth as a CZ. It also can be a little aggressive on the bullet beneath the life one, this is also solved by smoothing the bolt edges. Now shooting
Why do the people in the USA not like the Savage, ( Savage Mark II TR price 451.99 USA ) And many other savages to pick form like the Savage B22 Precision.629.99. Stock out of the box just adding a scope I have shot 5/16" groups with the Mark II TR and I am far from the best, at 75 years old. Using CCI standard velocity. From what I have seen, the Ruger Precision dos not shoot that good of groups.
When this video was made the newer Savage rimfire rifles were just being released. The B22 looks like a contender since the chassis has the advantage of easily adding an Arca rail and other accessories. I plan on making an update when the new rules come into effect for the 2024-2025 season and I will be sure to include it on my list. Thanks for the feedback.
Be sure to do some smoothing work on the bolt, it makes it great. There are some nice vids on YT, it’s for the RAR, but same principle for the RPR. Have fun!
@@CopperStarPrecision interesting, I actually have the Ruger precision like yours but I’m on the verge of purchasing a CZ 457 Varmint MTR. Out the door I’m looking at about $1100 (I live in CA)
You forgot a great contender.... the Christensen Ranger. 10+ rounds as it uses the 10/22 magazine. It comes with a Trigger Tech trigger, the same as for the Rem.700. Can be adjusted from 2lb up Comes with a picatinny rail. Yes it's 0 MOA, but most of us won't shoot pas 200 yards anyway. You can later replace the cheap stock without crying. Compare to replacing that beautiful CZ wooden stock. What a waist.
That might work for this year with the new budget cap of $1300 rifle and scope, but under last year's cap of $1200 that would only leave you $350 for a scope given it's MSRP of $849
It's the most popular NRL22 Base Class and PRS Rimfire Production Class rifle. It sucks paying over the MSRP of $849, but it's still a fantastic rifle.
I was hoping you wouldnt pick the Bergara. Although I know there are some happy customers. My son picked one as his 1st hunting rife, (30-06) and they wouldnt stand behind it at all. LGS felt so bad they sold us that POS, they ate the loss and gave us a t3x. Lets just say after 3 shots the bergara was so copper fouled it NEVER shot better than 3-4 inch groups. Probably would of ended up lodging a bullet. The rifle was comparable to if remington had a rifle made in Turkey or Pakistan
What about reliability ? I see all sorts of reviews and tests . Some are very expensive rifles like the Voodoo and custom Berguras and the reviewers are stuffing around with jams and feed problems . Accuracy followed by reliability , longevity , then everything else . They would be my priorities .
Great points. Feed issues plague some of the higher end rifles and Vudoo has introduced new mags to address that issue. I've seen plenty of Vudoo and RimX go down at a match/stage due to feed/mag issues. My Ruger has been reliable with the 10 and 15 round factory mags, but the 25 sometimes has issues. I have also heard of issues with 3rd party mags, but I don't use them so I can't comment. I think hands down the CZ wins for reliability and I shoot a CZ 457 in Open class but wanted to try something new for base class.
@@CopperStarPrecision CZ have been making .22 for a long time now . The BRNO mod 1 goes back to 1940's and became legendary as a very accurate rifle in the hands of Australian professional rabbit shooters . Then came the mod 2 . We Aussies have been shooting them for ever but CZ are only a relatively new company in the US since they started making them there . Originally designed by Paul Mauser its no wonder they work so well mechanically . They typically have a tighter bore than a lot of other rifles which makes them more accurate with a wider range of ammunition types . I suppose when the other makes of rifle are around as long as the CZ they will get all their bugs out of them .
The ruger precision Rimfire shoots like shit. Very ammo picky. Can't hit anything from 100m. Seen alot at the range. I would not buy it at 50% off. The RPR 6.5cm is way better than what they attempted with the .22
weird thing is i have an old stevens 87a sem auto and single shot with a weaver side mount and it shoots better then most 22s i have ever used including the tika to me it is just an overall better gun and it was built around 1939 and the trigger is not that bad
I've been shooting the single shot Rem 580 that I learned how to shoot on 50 years ago for local comps and challenges. It has held it's own the last year or so, but just recently purchased a CZ 457 Varmint to replace it in competition.
Good video, I had previously purchased the Ruger Precision .22 and the Bushnell Pro scope thru my own research and am glad we both agree on them. Looking forward to your videos on setup and practical application in the sport.
Hi. Thanks for creating this series. I'm retired and used to plink a lot back in the day. I'm getting into some bench rest shooting and Academy Sports made me an offer I couldn't refuse on a Ruger a week ago. I put a budget CVLite 6X24 scope on it. The combination shoots pretty well, but I'm interested in stepping up to better glass. I also picked up a Savage MK II in 22 LR, and it too shoots way better than I can, but when I'm doing my job on the bench they both shoot quarter sized groups at 50 yards easily, and I've been spending most of my time with them working on breathing and trigger control, so far. Our local club has a bench rest match weekly and I'm looking at other's guns for ideas as well. Both are a little picky on ammo but both seem to like CCI Target and Aquilla Standard velocity the best.
Trying to get started into the sport and these videos have been great.
Look forward to watching your progress..... I have the RPR also that I'm shooting ARA with with decent success....
Keep up the good work......
Thanks!
Great video thank you for taking the time I’m just thinking about my 1st competition setup and this was extremely helpful
Glad it was helpful!
I am mostly a hand gun shooter but interested in stating rimfire. I do agree with your choice but it would have been nice to see the Savage B22 PRECISION rifle in the mix
This video was exactly what I was looking for. Yesterday, I was scoping out some rifles (pun intended) and I was discouraged because I couldn't find a good combo to fit the budget I thought was set ($1,050). Knowing what you just said, I know which rifle to buy and I can get the scope I had my eye on...again, pun intended. Gret job. I am subscribed and looking forward to next videos as they come out.
Glad I could help. My ranking may not be the same as yours, but it should give you an idea of the most common options for Base Class. I appreciate the subscription! Lots more videos coming soon!
I think it's $1200 now?
Thanks for the video it should have a lot of interest.
From my experience, and what I see at the NRL matches around my area honestly the Ruger isn't in the same ballpark. I'm not trying to bash Ruger at all but it's just not a popular gun in NRL for a lot of reasons.
After market triggers are available for all of them as far as I know.
I would also say a one pound trigger or less on a CZ is an easy adjustment without any spring change, we've done it many times.
A spring change does make it easier though.
It's also worth mentioning if someone wants to move up to open class later on, the sky is the limit for a couple of these rifles, not so much for the Ruger
Your build will definitely interest a lot of people and I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.
I can tell you've got a well though out plan.
Thanks again for all the work you've already put into your video, great job
Thanks for watching!
I've heard the Ruger gets a bad reputation, but I wanted to try something new since I use a CZ in open class. If it doesn't work out I'll be the first to admit it.
As for the triggers, the triggers are available, but I was referring to the footprint/architecture. The Ruger is proprietary to the RPRF (the Ruger American doesn't have the same trigger). Same with the CZ, it's unique to the 457 (455/452 triggers are different). The Tikka shares the same footprint as the t3x centerfire rifles and the Rem 700 is pretty ubiquitous. Sorry if that was unclear.
amazing presentation . thanks
Excellent videos! I'll subscribe!!!
Very well thought out and presented video.
When I decided to get into BR and precision 22lr competition my research eliminated two guns rather quickly
One was the Savage B22 Precision due to it having well documented chronic issues with both miss feeds and ejection and far to many guys at my rifle club had owned and sold the Ruger RPR due to poor and inconsistent accuracy issues.
I hope you got a good one because no one I've yet met who owned one did
Thanks! It did pretty well at the October match: czcams.com/video/Xj0RwuctRrY/video.html
Lot testing was key and a barrel tuner helped tighten the groups.
@Ryan Mcfadden
Do a you tube search on Savege B22 22lr FTF and FTE and you will see what I speek of.
Very well documented problems with I was very upset about as I own more than a few
(7 actually) Savage rifles and really liked the feel and fit of the B22
@@arthurdirindinjr1792 Yeah b22 was a step down from the mk2 in my opinion.. I have mk2 that does 1/2" groups at 100 with eley match and I'm not a precision shooter.
Bergara BMR is the sleeper here. Running a cheap Bushnell Banner II 4X12 (lots of room to up-grade glass for NRL22 base) it hangs with my buddy's tricked-out ($$$) 457 consistently. He's no slouch either, shooting centerfire @ a mile. Kicker is, I picked it up at a LGS running a 20% off sale for a hair over $450. $99 glass and I'm having a ball for under $600. Luckily it likes the taste of CCI SV, but really loves Eley Tennex EPS when I can afford to feed it!
I do like the Tikka, it’s great, the CZ works fine and smooth, the Bargara I don’t know, I never get the chance to shoot one, I would go for the RPR, but in the end I went for the RAR LRT, it’s more expensive but has more weight, longer heavy barrel (22”), LOP and CR, can tune the trigger a bit. I’m very happy and it is accurate, me as a mediocre shooter am doing
Timney and JARD Inc both make triggers for the RPRR if you want to go aftermarket with it. Anarchy Outdoors has precision rifle grip angles and higher MOA rails for the RPRR as well. The m-lok fore-end also allows for easy Arca-swiss compatability. All around the RPRR is a great base to work from.
After a long methodical process, ive purchasd the RPR myself and am also looking to build one out, so am intrigued to see how your final build comes out.
New subscriber, enjoying the content!
Very cool! I have a whole build series on the RPRF on the channel so check it out!
@@CopperStarPrecision I certainly will do, and apologies for the typos!! 👍🏿
Excellent video. I want to get into this sport and this was a great video on what options are out there. Thanks. Subbed and liked…..
Thanks again.
I so wanted to get a Ruger for ARA factory class, especially because of the number of 10/22 mags I already have. I just can't get past the look and feel of the RPR. It screams 1990's paintball gun to me. And their other bolt rimfire options get middling reviews at best.
I ended up with a CZ Varmint, which limited my scope options a bit due to its MSRP ($650), but I found the Athlon (Argos 8-34 x 56) will work for me at just under the MSRP limit.
timy makes a epic trigger for the whole cz line, drop in unit.
Yes, I have the Timney for my CZ. There are aftermarket triggers for all the rifles. It is the footprint/architecture that is proprietary to the CZ 457 (i.e. not compatible with CZ 452/455) whereas the Bergara uses Rem 700 triggers.
Just discovered your videos today, ordered the Ruger today, going to pick it tomorrow morning, next is the scope, I am used to the vortex diamondback (have two of those, MOA version) so probably will go for a third vortex 6x24x50, MOA also.)Plan to follow all your upgrades for the Ruger. Thanks, sound like a lot of fun. Yes, I subscribed to your channel.
I've mostly heard that the Ruger is hot and cold but I dont know how you could grade that attribute. I have a Bargara B14 that I love to shoot but I'm disapointed in the over-all accuracy. My most accurate rimfire rifle is the CZ 457 MTR but only slightly better than my 452 american. So my limited experience the CZ'S are more likely to offer the best accuracy.
I have subscribed to your channel and will follow your Ruger project. Thanks for your presentation.
Enjoyed your video. Just considering getting into this. I'm getting a late start (61 years old) so your videos are very helpful.
Never too late to join the sport. At your age (>60) you can compete in the OG class for NRL-22 matches. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@CopperStarPrecision what does OG stand for? Old geezer?
@@mrh0661 technically "Old Guns", but I prefer "Original Gangsters" haha
I just started last year myself, I turn 63 shortly.
I shot with a friend that's the same age and my brother that's 69 years old.
Are we competitive? Not even close, most of the time we're mid pack with a few top fives
Running stages is a young man's game but we just do what we can.
If you have a good club to shot with you'll have a ball and a few good laughs!
There is an after market CZ adjustable trigger. Installed several of them.
I own the Ruger Precision Rimfire and it is phenomenally accurate! I was hitting sub .40 inch groups at 50 yards. I can then adjust it down to my nine year old and he hits pop cans at 100 yards with no issues. Great choice of a rifle!
Is that with match ammo or bulk?
@@jonahwaldner2867 It’s with CCI standard velocity.
I am shooting sub 1 inch groups at 100 yards with a Savage mk2.
Great Video. Loved the matrix table showing an objective decision. Got me to subscribe as love the clear transparent info. Looking forward to seeing more videos on the Ruger Precision Rimfire. Cheers
Awesome, thank you!
I have the rpr rimfire I have put in the timney trigger and replaced the barrel with the Lilja and a arken 6to24 it likes Eley match the barrel at first I thought it was a waste of $ now that it has a few hundred rounds through it it has come in and shoots lights out way better than I can shoot it’s fun to get a 22 to shoot one hole groups now
Nice to hear, glad it's working out for you. Changing the barrel does move you from Base Class to Open Class though, but good to know there is an upgrade path.
savage b22 precision 599. might be worth a look at
Yes, that's another candidate for a base class build. At the time of the video they weren't readily available.
I also have the Ruger. My scope is a Vortex Venom 5-25 which puts me out of base. I would have to use my Athlon 6-24 which would put me in base. It’s a good scope that I did use for ARA
I would use my Mossberg M46d with UTG True Hunter scope for the 100 yard course.
I thought cant is the left or right / sideways tilt of scope and / or rifle. I always though that what you described was the slope of the scope, like a 20 moa scope mount is doing. Never to old to learn new terms.
Just bought my ruger precision rimfire. have not fired it yet. I bought a scope that exceeded the msrp for both, so got to buy another. i have a vortex venom so i will have wife shoot it with a different rifle that meets the msrp.
Liked your video! can't wait to see what is next.
Thank you! Lots more content coming soon.
i bought the rpr22 and it shot well - super accurate and smooth, using a vortex diamondback scope. but i had to switch to vudoo so i could get a precision 22 left-handed because my right eye took a dump. and its a great gun.
Glad to hear someone had a positive experience. I hear a lot of negativity around the rifle. I'll find out soon what's what.
@@CopperStarPrecision i think the only weakness is the cheek rest and LOP combo. otherwise it's a great shooter, and not ammo finicky.
@Kiss My Ultra MAGA Ass FJB a rifle that shoots itself . . . awesome.
I do everything right handed, but am left eye dominate and since the age of 8 with my Daisy BB gun, I’ve always shot rifles left handed. To this very day I shoot my CZ 455 in a Manners stock topped with Vortex Viper PST GEN2 5-25x50 FFP and shoot left handed. It’s rare to see people shooting RH rifles left handed but I’ve seen a few. We are still working the bolt with our right hands with our left hand never coming off the pistol grip. You might give that a try.
cz makes a 25 round mag. just bought 2 and they are poly mags with CZ molded into the side.
Yes, that should have been included. However, the curved nature of the 25 round (like the Ruger 25 round mag) makes it difficult to use on barricades/with a bag.
CZ Provarmint. They don't seem to be as finicky with ammo, so if the best shooting ammo isn't available you can still be competitive. And for kind of the same reason the 16.5" barrel being a touch slower may shoot well with pistol match ammo that would be supersonic in longer barrels. But none of them on your list would be a bad choice.
I use a CZ 457 MTR in open class. Lovely rifles. Wanted to try something new for Base Class, but you can't go wrong with CZ.
The Pro Varmint is the best bang for your buck.
Excellent video and I will follow the series. One question I would like to ask you. Would your consider the Ruger American Rimfire Long Range Target?
Yes I would, especially with the new cost cap of $1300. However, it may not be as easy to add upgrades since it is in a stock versus a M-Lok chassis. I would also look into offerings from CZ. I run a CZ457 in Open Class.
I shoot the Ruger and h ve found it to be exceptional!
While I don’t agree with your choice, I do agree with your concept. I don’t think in general, they will provide the accuracy you can any/need. However, you may have gotten lucky and gotten a good one. Looking forward to this series to see how it comes out.
What rifle/scope combo would you choose?
@@CopperStarPrecision no experience with the Tika or the BMR. I’m pretty happy with my CZ for base class. It wears an Athlon Argos BTR. I don’t shoot it much since I’ve bought my B14R and put a Cronus on it. I’ve shot against a number of the RPR and never seen one that was a serious competitor. I love Ruger firearms, having a bunch of single action, MK series, and 10/22. I’ve had a couple of RAR, but neither provided the accuracy I desired. Best of luck with yours. Despite my not agreeing with your choice, I do look forward to seeing it play out.
Nice. As you've probably noticed from the other videos I also use a CZ, but since it's a 457 MTR with a Vortex StrikeEagle on it I compete in Open Class. I too have heard many mixed reviews on the performance of the RPRF so I wanted to put it to the test. Lots more content coming soon.
Savage has a couple models with a mdt stocks now . Also a lot of people are really impressed with the Arken scope for the price it offers a lot of quality . Not saying any of the others are better or worse , but just adding more choices for your viewers .
My RPRF is a little disappointing especially for nrl22 style work. Its plenty accurate however it often has issues extracting. 1 in 50 tends to fail to extract.
I own a Tikka T1X and gotta say it shoots WAAAAAY better at 50 and 100yrds than a rifle in its price point than anyone can possibly expect it to
Was going to sell it to fund a CZ then on the advice of a experienced 22lr competitor I shot some SK pistol match special at 50 yards
10 five shot groups and not one over .41" Needless to say didnt sell my T1x.
As far as the Ruger precision 22lr goes five members of my rifle club own them all five are very disappointed in thier accuracy and yes they shot lagit $15/box match grade 22lr ammo out of them
Would be OK for NLR station shooting but forget using them for precision matches 5 of 5 failing to produce consistent. 5moa 5 shot groups at 50 IMO eliminated the RPRF form 50 yard BR precision use
Id still chose my T1x over the RPRF for all applications
That's fair. Mine shoots better than what others are seeing, but I still don't think it would cut it as a Benchrest rifle. I just started shooting ARA benchrest matches and for the factory class it looks like the CZ457 MTR and the Bergara B14-r are the most popular.
My biggest pet peeve is when shooters talk about accuracy. Yes every rifle is ammo specific that I agree with. No one ever mentions that a rifle is only as accurate as the shooter behind thr trigger. STOP the ammo blame game.
I don't shoot NRL22, but I've owned almost two dozen 22's and shoot the caliber exclusively. I wouldn't touch an RPR - sloppy action and cheap looking plastic chassis. Looking at all the specs being compared, I would have recommend a CZ457 Pro Varmint 16". Out of the box it shoots the lights out and you can modify the trigger with a BIC lighter spring and some sear polishing. I owned a Pro Varmint and the only reason I sold it was to get a B14R Trainer. Was the B14R worth the extra money? Absolutely. But I still wish I had the Pro Varmint, it was one of the best 457's I've ever owned and I've owned many.
I have a Ruger 1121. It shoots CCI SV and Norma very well. It's also more accurate than my Tikka T1X. What I hate is the "gimmicky" of many NRL22 stages. There is so many moves in stages that I feel gymnastics is more important than shooting!!
It can get pretty crazy on some stages. There are a lot of other smallbore competitions like benchrest, ARA, and F-Class that don't have all of the crazy movements.
Ruger LVT if legal. Would be my choice. But I don't shoot competition
Did you consider the CZ 457 AT-ONE? Comes in 16 or 20 inch barrels. Adjustable pull and cheek. Adjustable trigger too.
I did, but I've personally held the CZ with the At-One stock and it just didn't fit me well. The length of pull wasn't right for me (I'm 6' tall) and even fully adjusted outward it still felt short. The rifle didn't have a great balance to it either. I do like the CZ action though, and my Open Class rifle is a CZ457.
Love my RPR.....Outshoots my much more expensive Kimber Sillhouette
I've always been a fairly good shot but at 72 my eyesight isn't what it used to be. Still, with a scope, I think I could still enjoy shooting NRL. Are there classes for the older shooters? It sounds like a lot of fun.
Any competitor aged 60 or older is classified as an OG (Old Gun). Furthermore, if you have any special needs/considerations that limit you from safely participating in the stage as it is written, there is also the Adaptive division. If you look at the courses of fire published by the NRL22 organization there will be an Adaptive recommendation that should help accommodate those who may be unable to do all of the movements on stages.
You can get a more in depth look at the rules on the NRL22 website under section 5.B.7 and 5.B.8
The sport is an absolute blast while still being challenging and competitive. We have many senior shooters, and they do quite well. There is a learning curve to this style of competition, so don't get discouraged during your first few matches.
If you look at other videos on my channel, I break down each stage of each month's course of fire with strategy, tips and tricks on how to do better. I always publish these videos before the first match of the month so that you have time to watch them and strategize. While I do not cover the adaptive alternate stage description, the tips should still help out. I also publish full match footage so you can get a feel for how things go during the actual match.
I wholeheartedly encourage you to seek out a match (typically through a website called Practiscore) or look on the NRL22 website for a club near you. You can even find Match Directors' contact information on the site so that you could reach out with any questions or concerns. Most are welcoming of spectators if you want to go to watch a match and get a feel for the sport.
I hope you give it a chance, but be careful, it can be addicting!
Let me know if there's any other questions I can answer or if I can facilitate your journey in any way.
bergara bmr has an 18 inch barrel
Bergara - BMR Steel Barrel / Gray with Black Stock 18" 22 LR
True, now available in both 18" and 20"
The ruger precision Rimfire shoots like shit. Very ammo picky. Can't hit anything from 100m. Seen alot at the range. I would not buy it at 50% off. The RPR 6.5cm is way better than what they attempted with the. 22
Sure is lot of bashing on the Ruger RFP here. I bought one, it shoots just as good as my CZ457 Varmint. And its not near as fussy on ammo choices either.
I've started the build series so I'll be sending rounds downrange in the coming week! Excited to see what it will do.
I know this is an old video but hopefully somebody might see this question and be able to answer it. If you purchased a gun like the CZ 457 that came with the stock are you allowed to change it to a chassis and stay in the base category?
In short, no. If you change the configuration of the rifle to another stock/chassis that is offered by the manufacturer AND still come in under the price cap then you are fine. However, the only chassis currently offered from CZ is the model with the MDT ACC Premier chassis at $1899 MSRP which is way over the cost cap of $1300. There were some older models of the CZ 457 in a chassis, but those too were over the price cap for base class. If you decide to go that route, you would have to compete in open class.
If you would have chosen the CZ 457 which specific model would you have picked?
I have a CZ 457 MTR that I shoot in Open Class, but since it has given me first round flyers due to the tight bore I am putting a new barrel on it. Other than the first round it shoots very well, but price wise puts you out of base class. For Base Class I would lean towards the CZ 457 Varmint (MSRP $625). It is the standard heavy-barreled version of the 457 and the 20.5" straight tapered barrel helps with overall balance and gives good velocity/harmonics. The barrel does not come threaded, so if you need that you would have to take it to a gunsmith. The Pro Varmint does come with a threaded barrel, but it's only 16.5" length.
Just bought the base 457 american with the threaded 20” barrel for the same purpose. I have the area 419 scope base and bolt knob coming and now that the rifle is $519 MSRP I am trying to get ahold of an Arken EP5. While money is an object, I am building a Ruger American Rimfire for CMP spotter class at the same time, so, my build will lag behind yours. Are you allowed to post where you are sourcing ammo from?
Nice! I have a CZ 457 MTR that I use for Open Class. As for scope choice I have a video coming out Monday. I should have considered the Arken scope as it looks promising. The Bushnell Match Pro ended up being only $375 after the coupon code MP75OFF through their website (spoiler alert, that's what I picked up).
I hope some of the Ruger upgrades/modifications I make help your build, but they will be a little more tailored to the NRL22 game.
CZcams doesn't allow links to anything firearms related, but I source most of my ammo locally from Burno's Shooting Supplies (they will also ship). Other than that you can compare prices for ammo at places like AmmoSeek. Midway USA has a decent selection, but prices tend to be higher. Unfortunately lot testing is key and there only a few places that allow you to specify lots of ammo. The long term end goal would be to travel to the Laupa Testing Center since it is local to me and film my experience with lot testing. The challenge there is that you'd have to buy a minimum of a case at a time (5000 rounds) which can be a financial burden.
Best of luck with your builds and stay tuned for lots more content! Cheers!
Good video and thank you for sharing. To my understanding to get into NRL22 based class rifle and scope msrp cannot exceed $1,200. My dilemma is I have a very precision shotting pre JR Marlin XT-22TR topped off with Leopold Mark AR 4-12x40 scope. It's tube feed and I usually put 15 rounds. Very accurate and consistent with Wolf 40 gr Match Extra. Now both rifle and scope is long out of production. I have not found any literature on my problem with proof of msrp. Does anyone know what I should do other than buying new rifle scope? I have not reached out to NRL folks yet, but thought to ask after watching the video. Cheers all.
Go to nrl22.org/downloads/ and look at any course of fire. The second page will detail the running list of out of production rifles that are considered base class. Marlin is on the list. These rifles must be in their original factory configuration to be eligible for base class. As for the scope you might need to take the original MSRP and adjust for inflation. Tube fed rifles are rarely seen and sometimes discouraged as they are difficult to show as safe (rifle must be unloaded and no rounds in the rifle at end of stage). Also the "load and make ready command" is the only time you can put ammunition in the rifle as most ranges operate as a cold range. Please be sure to check with the Match Director for proper safety procedures.
For a club match you are probably fine with permission from the MD, national competitions will have a more strict interpretation of the rules.
Hope that helps.
@@CopperStarPrecision thank you for the good information.
Sorry but no tube feed rifles may be used new rule for safety
I built a cz pro varment for base class. In your video I am heading that I can use a chassis in base class. I though if I put my base class action in a chassis it would put me in open?
CZ offers chassis for some of it's rifle configurations. So long as that combination is something offered from the factory AND its price meets the budget cap you're okay, however, those models are more expensive and would probably put you out of base class.
If you use a chassis that is not provided as an option from the manufacturer then that would automatically move you to Open.
Hope that clears it up.
Also. Do you have any experience with the Talon LVT Ruger model?
No experience with Semi-auto 22lr rifles and generally speaking unless you're going for a top of the line build (e.g. Volquartsen, Kidd, Clark Custom, etc.) a bolt gun of similar quality would be more accurate... or so I've heard.
Notice please, Tikka T1x also has a barrel 16"
They have both a 16 and a 20
What ammo do you suggest trying with the Ruger Precision Rimfire?
I have a lot testing video on my channel. It depends on your use. If you're going for accuracy you probably want some of the higher end match ammo (SK, Lapua, Eley), but if it's just for plinking CCI SV is my go to (not as accurate, but cheap and cycles well). Each rifle is different and you need to find the type and lot that works for what you need.
By chance I ended up on your channel. I was originally going to spend a lot more on a precision rifle for 22LR for shooting long range and did not know that NRL22 existed. I have to admit that it looks like a lot of fun versus just shooting long distances. My dilemma is that I really like the CZ CZ 457 Varmint AT-ONE which retails for $759 for the rifle and the Bushnell MATCH PRO 6-24X50 RIFLESCOPE is $499. I'm just 58 dollars over! I really like both, but I'm not sure which one to give up. Any advice?
I love CZ rifles and shoot one in open class. If you haven't had the chance to handle an AT-ONE stock I would highly recommend holding one before buying. I've found that the length of pull is actually quite short even with the adjustments (I'm 6'00" and it's short for me).
For a CZ base class build I would rather have the regular Varmint with the heavy 20.5" barrel. If you really need something threaded out of the box there's also the CZ 457 ProVarmint Suppressor-Ready, but that only has a 16.5" barrel that will be harder to balance and will have lower velocity. The heavy 20.5" barrel of the normal Varmint can always be threaded by a gunsmith later if you want to add a tuner or suppressor and the act of threading the barrel doesn't push you out of base class. These rifles are $625-$679 retail.
Also, the non-illuminated Bushnell Match pro is $50 cheaper. It doesn't get you under the limit, but just something to keep in mind. I would try not to skimp on the features of the optic whenever possible.
Unfortunately with inflation the way it is, the MSRP of most rifles has increased even though you can find them for less. I imagine they will update the price cap for next season.
Also, there is the Precision Rifle Series (PRS) Rimfire matches. They have a class called production that has a $1500 limit. There aren't any PRS Rimfire matches near me, but check to see if you want to go that route. The general idea is the same, but the courses of fire are up to the individual match directors and not the same set of courses nationally like NRL-22.
Best of luck!
@@CopperStarPrecision Wow - I blown away with your level of support and wisdom. Thanks for helping me out.
You're very welcome. Always here to help where I can. Score more points!
@@CopperStarPrecision Thanks again. I think that CZ ProVarmint Suppressor ready is the way to go. I watched a video by Paul Harrell in which he showed that there is little difference in velocity in various 22LR barrel lengths. Actually the 16.5 tested best.
@@Quality_Guru I think that would be a good choice. Remember that with the shorter barrel you won't have as much weight out front making the rifle a bit butt heavy. It's a great rifle and I hope you enjoy it. Lot testing with any 22LR is the key to accuracy.
You should have chosen a cz457 that ruger will never work I have some experience I have shot since I was 12 years old I am now 75 and still beating all my local competition. Your bud.
Beagleman
Which would pick between the RPR and the Savage B22 precision?
I couldn't tell if the pic rail on the Savage has 20MOA of built in cant. If it is flat then that's a point towards the Ruger. I also feel there is more aftermarket support for the Ruger from what I can tell. I haven't had the chance to shoot with the Savage, but it should be more than capable of providing good results in base class once you find the ammo that it likes.
Already have the RPR 22LR. NEED A SCOPE saw your post on best scope but on a fixed income with a $300 maximum outlay can you point me in the right direction. Subscribed yesterday and just hit the RPR post as the rifle you're going to get ready for competition. The scope thing is a bit troubling. Thanks..🇺🇸
You can find the Bushnell Match Pro 6-24x for $300. It's the scope I use on my base class rifle.
EuroOptic has it for $299.99 right now.
I am sure by now you have spent lots of money and upgraded the rifle. That is fun in and of itself but cz is where it's at. Especially if you are going to put upgrades in it.
That's why I shoot a CZ in open class ;-)
I just wanted to show what was possible with a rifle that get's a lot of hate, but does have features that make it a contender in base class. Yes I have spent a lot on upgrades, but it shows an upgrade path you can take over time.
I called Beretta today and they quoted the T1X at 699 msrp. Where did you obtain a msrp list for this year? I haven’t been able to find it. I want to get a better scope than a diamondback tactical 4-16, but that’s the best sub 500 msrp optic out there.
Prices have gone up, but the prices are as of June 1st for the whole season (June-May). Maybe you can find an old advertisement with the old MSRP. Sorry I can't be of more help.
@@CopperStarPrecision no worries. I’d just hate to have to get a diff 22 due to the msrp issue. A 699 msrp leaves on a diamondback tactical 4-16 in the budget and a couple others. Bidenomics has screwed everything up. If you can find the msrp sheet, I’d love to know. Hopefully base class msrp will go up due to inflation.
DID YOU CHECK OUT THE SAVAGE PERCISION 22LR
I purchased a savage MK2 FV and it’s a tack driver.
Ok, so I went to pick up a Ruger Precision, and the MSRP went up from 580 to 620$ I have a scope that MSRP is 599$. Am I not going to be legal?
I believe that the rules state that it is the MSRP at the beginning of the season. Due to all this inflation nonsense I assume that they will raise the price limit next year as well.
where in Az do you shoot the NRL matches?
You can search for matches here:
nrl22.org/clubs_matches/
There are 4 in Arizona
-Yuma Match Masters
-Rio Salado Sportsman's Club
-Phoenix Rod and Gun Club
-End of the Road Ranch & Wildlife Preserve (Gunsite)
Was expecting you to unveil a Voodoo! I'm bias towards Ruger, love their firearms!
Haha, this is for base class where the Vudoo would be waaaaay out of budget. I've been very happy with my Ruger.
Why no Savage?
There are timney and trigger tech triggers available for Al these rifles mentioned, I respectfully disagree with your pick, the bolt in the ruger precision rimfire bolt is by far the worst I have ever used, not just mine but a bunch of guys at the club have these also and all have same gripe,
Sorry if I was unclear. Yes, there are aftermarket triggers for all the rifles. What I was referring to was the trigger architecture/footprint. The CZ trigger is unique to the 457 (the 455/452 triggers won't work). Same for the Ruger (the Ruger American Rimfire isn't compatible). The Tikka is the same platform as their centerfire rifles and the Bergara uses the ubiquitous Remington 700 pattern allowing for additional options.
I agree that a lot of people have complaints about the RPRF, but that's part of the challenge of the build. I'm going to go over techniques to get the most out of the rifle including bolt polishing, the aluminum tape action bedding hack, and much more. I hope you stick around to see the success (or failure) of the build. Once I have more videos up share them with your clubmates and hopefully we'll all get better accuracy. Cheers.
@@CopperStarPrecision I will most definitely follow your vids on this.
@Vinny C
First, i guess you don`t know much about guns. Seems you just want to jump on your club`s bandwagon and bash the Ruger brand. There are bolt shims available for the RPRF to fix a tight bolt. Been there an done it, $12 for the shims, bolt works like butter on hot toast. Second, you`re not paying the premium for the RPRF either. Its a very good gun for the money...PERIOD. If you think the Ruger is hard to function, you haven`t tried a Savage 22RF chassis model. Savage bolts are horrible. Of the 3 savages that i tried out, 2 of them you couldn`t hardly cycle the bolt because it was so stiff, and machining of their bolts just sucked. The 3rd Savage i tried out, the bolt seized up and locked up solid right in the gun store where i was checking them out. Why don`t you, and your clubbie buddies, go check out the Savage chassis guns, compare it to the Ruger chassis gun, i bet you`ll feel different towards the Ruger brand. The Savage brand is what turned me to the Ruger brand for a cheap chassis gun. The RPRF i bought, will shoot right next to my CZ457 Varmint all day long. And my RPRF is less fussy about ammo vs the CZ457 Varmint i have.
@@D70340 first off let me say I stand by what I said in my post, 4 guys including my self all purchased the ruger precision rimfire all came from different dealers all had same issue with the bolt machining was absolutely horrible , and the shims you speak of would have “zero” effect on the problems we have with the actions , I own many rimfire and center fire rifles I’ve been in this game for decades so I know what I’m talking about, also you say I’m bashing ruger that’s not the case at all I have many rugers my complaint is with this particular rifle, every company ends up with bad apple this is rugers , anyways that’s all I’m saying on this topic , you just obviously don’t know what a good action feels like , that’s ok you’ll understand someday,
Yeah, I’ve seen and heard that too, but I also seen and heard what to do about it, I did buy a RAR LRT and indeed the bolt was dreadful, but I smoothed most of the edges just to make the a little less sharp, also polished it a bit, also smoothed the edge of the action just a little and the result is now that is as smooth as a CZ. It also can be a little aggressive on the bullet beneath the life one, this is also solved by smoothing the bolt edges.
Now shooting
Why do the people in the USA not like the Savage, ( Savage Mark II TR price 451.99 USA ) And many other savages to pick form like the Savage B22 Precision.629.99. Stock out of the box just adding a scope I have shot 5/16" groups with the Mark II TR and I am far from the best, at 75 years old. Using CCI standard velocity. From what I have seen, the Ruger Precision dos not shoot that good of groups.
When this video was made the newer Savage rimfire rifles were just being released. The B22 looks like a contender since the chassis has the advantage of easily adding an Arca rail and other accessories.
I plan on making an update when the new rules come into effect for the 2024-2025 season and I will be sure to include it on my list.
Thanks for the feedback.
After a few months of research, I chose the Ruger as well. Looking forward to see the remainder of the outfitting process.
Build series videos have begun!
Be sure to do some smoothing work on the bolt, it makes it great. There are some nice vids on YT, it’s for the RAR, but same principle for the RPR. Have fun!
How has the rifle treated you? Any regrets?
I had great success with mine, but for the latest set of rules I have switched to a CZ 457 which I also have videos about on my channel.
@@CopperStarPrecision interesting, I actually have the Ruger precision like yours but I’m on the verge of purchasing a CZ 457 Varmint MTR. Out the door I’m looking at about $1100 (I live in CA)
You forgot a great contender.... the Christensen Ranger.
10+ rounds as it uses the 10/22 magazine.
It comes with a Trigger Tech trigger, the same as for the Rem.700. Can be adjusted from 2lb up
Comes with a picatinny rail. Yes it's 0 MOA, but most of us won't shoot pas 200 yards anyway.
You can later replace the cheap stock without crying. Compare to replacing that beautiful CZ wooden stock. What a waist.
That might work for this year with the new budget cap of $1300 rifle and scope, but under last year's cap of $1200 that would only leave you $350 for a scope given it's MSRP of $849
I just paid $995.00 for a 457 MTR because no one in the country has one. Pisses me off. I am always a day late and a dollar short.
It's the most popular NRL22 Base Class and PRS Rimfire Production Class rifle. It sucks paying over the MSRP of $849, but it's still a fantastic rifle.
Bmr is an 18 inch barrel
True, now available in both 18" and 20"
Oh yeah last time I shot I only shot 1/4 and 3/8 at one hundred yrds I used a cz457 I rest my case.
Beagleman
I was hoping you wouldnt pick the Bergara. Although I know there are some happy customers. My son picked one as his 1st hunting rife, (30-06) and they wouldnt stand behind it at all. LGS felt so bad they sold us that POS, they ate the loss and gave us a t3x. Lets just say after 3 shots the bergara was so copper fouled it NEVER shot better than 3-4 inch groups. Probably would of ended up lodging a bullet. The rifle was comparable to if remington had a rifle made in Turkey or Pakistan
What about reliability ? I see all sorts of reviews and tests . Some are very expensive rifles like the Voodoo and custom Berguras and the reviewers are stuffing around with jams and feed problems . Accuracy followed by reliability , longevity , then everything else . They would be my priorities .
Great points. Feed issues plague some of the higher end rifles and Vudoo has introduced new mags to address that issue. I've seen plenty of Vudoo and RimX go down at a match/stage due to feed/mag issues. My Ruger has been reliable with the 10 and 15 round factory mags, but the 25 sometimes has issues. I have also heard of issues with 3rd party mags, but I don't use them so I can't comment.
I think hands down the CZ wins for reliability and I shoot a CZ 457 in Open class but wanted to try something new for base class.
@@CopperStarPrecision CZ have been making .22 for a long time now . The BRNO mod 1 goes back to 1940's and became legendary as a very accurate rifle in the hands of Australian professional rabbit shooters . Then came the mod 2 . We Aussies have been shooting them for ever but CZ are only a relatively new company in the US since they started making them there . Originally designed by Paul Mauser its no wonder they work so well mechanically . They typically have a tighter bore than a lot of other rifles which makes them more accurate with a wider range of ammunition types . I suppose when the other makes of rifle are around as long as the CZ they will get all their bugs out of them .
Too bad you can’t get the damn Ruger in a left handed version.
Bmr is 18 inch not 16.5.
A rifle is as accurate as the shoot
Very true
The ruger precision Rimfire shoots like shit. Very ammo picky. Can't hit anything from 100m. Seen alot at the range. I would not buy it at 50% off. The RPR 6.5cm is way better than what they attempted with the .22
Ruger not a good choice
What would you pick?
CZ475 or nothing
CZ475? Never heard about that one. Any links.
You couldn't run faster enough to give me a ruger they are a piece of junk.
Beagleman
Blah blah yawn zzzzzzzz frrrp
weird thing is i have an old stevens 87a sem auto and single shot with a weaver side mount and it shoots better then most 22s i have ever used including the tika to me it is just an overall better gun and it was built around 1939 and the trigger is not that bad
I've been shooting the single shot Rem 580 that I learned how to shoot on 50 years ago for local comps and challenges. It has held it's own the last year or so, but just recently purchased a CZ 457 Varmint to replace it in competition.
Mossberg doesn't make any accurate rifles with a decent price