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- The G5 conferences have solidified an automatic berth into the 12-team Playoff for the next 2 years, and figure to have that in the long run. Making their own Playoff would STILL be a great way to adapt to the conference realignment landscape.
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G5 realignment FIX: Playoff model w/relegation and promotion GREAT idea
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Oregon State and Washington State got relegated. Ask them how they like it.
Survival of the fittest. If you font have the funds, fan base, and media coverage. You can't come to the cool guys party 💯🤷🏽
Having pro/rel gives them a more realistic chance of moving up than having the P2 break off from the NCAA does.
@@panchogeorocksYou don't know what you're talking about. WSU was fourth in the PAC in views. Top forty in the country in views. Top forty in wins during the cfp era. Top forty in million view games.
@phays10 nothing compared to the true blue bloods. Remember you said 4th in the PAC. The formerly the most POS power conference..... sorry but your feelings do not matter when it comes to these decisions. Wsu doesn't bring anything to the table worth a damn to join the B1G or even the ACC or big 12. Wsu better wn 10 + games a season through 2026 to even be considered power worthy. Wsu got relegated and while unfortunate, they can blame themselves and the PAC12s bad decisions with media rights deals.
But that didn't pertain to on-field performance. This idea would
There are P4 schools who haven't had a winning season in years. Playing a season against G5 schools would probably be a welcome change for alumni. Also, when teams are relegated from the Premier League, they receive something like 'Parachute Payments' something like 75% of P4 payments their first year, 50% the second year & 25% the third year. This gives the relegated teams a softer blow, and a chance to adjust or get back to the top.
The model could work! I just need to be elected CFB dictator
Relegation for college football only further separates the “haves” from the “have nots.”
Let’s put restrictions back on player transfers so good players are encouraged to stay and build the programs that welcomed them in the first place.
That's not true. Plenty of teams have raised through the divisions in other sports with pro/reg.
Whatever they do… make a damn decision! Have an agreement … so much instability
This relegarion plan was proposed about a year ago by some GA at Boise St. I think it would make a lot of things interesting that currently aren't, but the sorting thru the details make it challenging. Just one example, say UConn is relegated down, how is their next years schedule created on such short notice? Same with the team moving up.
NFL makes its schedule every year, it's not rocket science (maybe a little)
UNLV Rebel Alum and fan here. UNLV football, is a sleeping giant. They play, in the stadium that costs, 1.9 billion dollars, Allegiant Stadium.
Home, of UNLV and the Las Vegas Raiders. Barry Odom, was the Head Coach at SEC, Missouri from 2016 to 2019.
He, recruits players from Texas, Missouri, Arizona from HS. Gets transfers, from Arkansas, Texas, and Texas A&M.
I, would also favor Boise St to win the MWC Championship, but the gap has closed, as far as UNLV is concerned.
UNLV, has gotten more depth on defense from the portal and had the #1, 2024 Transfer class in the Mountain West.
UNLV, has lost the last 7 games to Boise St. We, get them in Vegas Oct. 25.
Barry Odom, has definitely changed the football program.
Gonna lose 8 games to Boise.
Playing all your home games in an oversized, off campus, NFL stadium isn't the flex you think it is...
@@dgart7434 Better than, playing at old, rundown off campus, Sam Boyd Stadium.
By the way, the recruits would rather play in a 2 billion dollar state of the art stadium, than Sam Boyd.
There's your flex.
@tommygun5498 I will grant you that, still most G5 teams can afford to build a decent on campus stadium. It makes a huge difference in student life, alumni engagement, and atmosphere. Hopefully one day UNLV will get there.
Odom has done marvelous things for them. If he sticks around he can build something good. I am just not sure if he will given the 20-year struggle he's ended
Really enjoying your channel since I found it a few days ago. I love promotion and relegation and it definitely adds excitement. But the money divide exists in European football worse than ever as the same teams are at the top of the table every single year and the same two or three teams dominate and win the leagues every single year. For the majority of teams the goal is just to survive and stay in the lucrative League each year. They know they have no legitimate shot to win a title. Without the divisions in the power four conferences there are some teams that will never play for a conference Championship let alone a national title
In reality, 9 out of ten times, don’t we see the same 2-3 schools in each conference? Or, at least, a very slow evolution of teams (which has also happened in the English Premier League)? Same difference.
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In NCAA Football 14, I was promoting and relegating between conferences. Best 1 or 2 up, worst 1 or 2 down all the way to Independent. I would order the conferences by national championship winning percentage and use that as the ranking metric. I'd even let say the Mountain West be the number 1 conference if they earned it. I will be doing this again in EA Sports College Football 25.
I love this comment. I can't wait to play the game
Same. 😂
Here's my promotion/relegation model: There are 134 FBS teams right now. Add North Dakota State and South Dakota State from the FCS to get to 136 teams. Then split them into an upper division with the best 64 teams, arranged in 4 geographically based conferences of 16 teams each, and a lower division with the 72 remaining teams, arranged along similar geographic lines into 4 conferences of 18 teams each. Have separate 8-team playoffs for both levels, with conference winners and 4 at-large bids. At the end of the season, the worst upper team in each of the 4 conferences gets demoted, and the best lower team in each matching conference gets promoted.
It’s funny, chatting with a guy who thinks it’s the P2 schools job to take care of the rest of FBS and needed to be broken up regionally. So I looked it up and found there was a small gaps between FCS and G5. With much larger gaps between P2 and ACC/B12 and then on down to G5. It’s time to merge FCS with G5 Into a tier 3 and yes let them play their own championship.
I can see how relegation could fall apart. Primarily how do you deal with tier 1 rivalries and multi year scheduling deal if a larger P2 can’t cut it. Florida for example has been awful for a decade under Scott Stricklin. They are desperately in need of real change but have a new president who seems reluctant.
While threat of relegation might be exactly what they need to make the necessary changes, it would be a nightmare scheduling and administrating the of sending. Texas, Florida, Ohio State etc down. Not sure that is manageable but making the top 10% of program exempt wouldn’t be good either.
Meanwhile 60% of the P5 couldnt hold their weight against the Top 10 of the G5........
I agree that a 1 loss Liberty team almost certainly will not be invited to the CFP. I have a very small degree of sympathy for Liberty, because they did have "power" schools on their schedule when they were independent, but when they joined CUSA, they had to cancel games to get down to 4 OOC games. However, I believe that when Army and UMass canceled games with Liberty that opened slots that they theoretically could have scheduled a "power" team. One final factor is that there have been indications that some schools refuse to schedule Liberty for "religious" reasons, so I don't know whether avoiding "power" teams is deliberate or just because of circumstances beyond Liberty's control.
P4 bottom feeders wouldn't want that because they make money from just being a part of the leagues. Also being moved down would probably see the transfer rate get even crazier then it is now.
Agreed. You would have locked down NIL and transfer portal before this would start. Outside of that it doesn’t work as players would just bail on the team after their losing season that resulted in their schools relegation.
That is a hurdle, yes
I love capitalism. Survival of the fittest baby
The G5 should get 5 automatic bids. They are all (supposedly) FBS conferences. Expand the playoffs from 12 teams to 16 teams, and the top 11 teams would still get in (four Power4 champs plus 7 at large teams). They would probably mostly lose in the first round, but a G5-P4 game is still better than a bye week, for the fans and the teams and TV. And it would help G5 recruiting and exposure, which is probably why the P4 don't want to do it.
Theoretically it wouldn't be just two levels because that would be very difficult to determine the worst team. You may have more than just two teams that are 1-11 teams in a 60+ team league. We are already splitting into three levels and we should just go with that and dissolve all FBS conferences (at least for Football). Have a set number in each level at 48; that would be all current FBS teams except for one (sorry Sam Houston State).
TV deals would be negotiated with the uni-conference entity and dispersed to the schools based on their respective level. Each level would also need to require a minimum funding level for the schools Athletic Department. Throwing out there that the lower level would require at least a $40M annual funding level, the middle at least $100M, and the upper $180M.
You win your league, you get to move up but you also need to up your investment into your program to be on the same level with the other schools in that level.
Hold a championship in each level and also a playoff to determine the worst team. The champion in each (except for the top level of course) would switch places with the loser from the level above. You could even integrate the FCS champion and loser from the lower level FBS.
The biggest hurdle to this would be that many schools would not buy in given they may be the loser from their level and budgets can't just change that much year to year. Also, vice versa for schools moving up and needing to ramp up their investment. I think that could all be alleviated by integrating some grace periods. Have a grace period for teams moving down a level where they continue to get the same TV money payout the next year and then 60% the next and then 40%, etc, until they are down to their levels' payout amount. Same on the other side, the champ moving up wouldn't get a full share of the higher levels' payout, they would get 40%, then 60% etc. At the same time they wouldn't immediately need to get to the minimum funding level either.
Ultimately you would have schools separate into 6 distinct levels. The top being the middle to top teams in the upper level where they always play good enough that they are never threatened with relegation, the lower teams of the top level and the upper teams in the middle level where they always seem to be swapping places with each other between the levels and therefore their payouts become an average of the two levels. The middle teams of the middle level, staying consistently in that level. The bottom of the middle and the top of the lower level doing the swap dance. The middle of the lower level, staying consistently in that level. The bottom of the lower level and the top FCS where they are doing the swap dance as well.
No teams would be getting screwed because all would be at the level that they play to and would be required to be at a funding level if they are going to stay there. The number in each FBS level would stay at 48 and each school would be required to schedule games with 3 schools from other levels (including FCS as an other level).
Obviously this will never happen, just a fun thought exercise.
one thing that would also need to happen is separation of football conferences from the other athletic conferences. most athletics should be regional (reduced travel times and budgets), football and basketball do not need to be.
other than that I'm all for a relegation model of some sort for CFB.
Promotion and relegation will be great for collegiate sports! Its works just fine in European pro soccer. It forces underperforming power teams like Vanderbilt and Northwestern to perform or get relegated to G5. Relagted teams should be able to get a reduced share from their original conference for 2 years. If they dont make improvements, they stay in G5 till they perform at poeer level worthiness. The reverse for G5 schools. The G5 schools that are competatuve and performing well in power competition. They get promoted to power status and get full revenue shares
Yep, I think it would be great
Unless we use the Pac-12 conference for "power" status. I'd just relegate for a 2nd playoff playoff spot (16 team playoff, because it's coming).
Creating a "G5 invitational" to the champs that don't make the CFP would certainly create value and give teams something to play for later in the season.
As for connecting it to promotion relegation. As you said it wouldn't work in the current model. But maybe in the future, to early to know what college football will look like in 10+ years.
CFB is so unstable. The turmoil is exhausting. Losing interest.
I have a better idea. You attach a power four, a group of five and an FCS conference together. Worst two teams in group of five conference go down to FCS, best two teams in FCS conference come up to group of five, best two teams in group of five go up to power four worst two teams in power four conference come down to group of five. It makes it more interesting, in the big picture, for everyone involved to have teams moving more often. Each power four school schedules one FCS and a group of five and so on…
I think your head is in the right space!
Why not?
I mean sports in general are always looking to make a buck from anything they can get their hands on. Let’s just monopolize & monetize the G5 schools so I guess they can have some relevancy in this new era of college football.
Promotion to WHICH P4 LEAGUE???😊
AFC/NFC model (B10/SEC) with divisions that are regional, teams go in/out of division that makes sense
I think the Pac-2/Mountain West should show the rest of college football that promotion/relegation can work. Here's how I'd do it: Pac-2, full Mountain West, and bring in the two most western CUSA schools to make two conferences of 8 schools each. Play the entire conference (7 games) plus two schools from other conference for a total of 9 "conference+" games and the typical 3 non-conference games. The last place Pac-12 school plays the Mountain West champion. No auto-relegation or auto-promotions. Given that the last place school in the Pac-12 played a harder schedule than the Mountain West champion I think it would be unfair to just auto-relegate that school. They should be given a chance to keep their spot in the Pac-12. The promotion/relegation game would be played the week following the Conference championships.
Pac-12 (8 schools)
1. Oregon State
2. Washington State
3. Boise State
4. San Diego State
5. Fresno State
6. Colorado State
7. UNLV
8. Air Force
Mountain West (8 schools)
1. Wyoming
2. San Jose State
3. Nevada
4. Utah State
5. Hawaii
6. New Mexico
7. New Mexico State
8. UTEP
I like it, not the part where USU is in the lower level but overall I like it. If you are basing this from on field performance USU is in the PAC and CSU would be in the MWC. Also we would need to expand more than just NMSU and UTEP, pull in enough teams so we have at least 12 in each "conference". Go after teams like Texas State, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Tulsa, Arkansas State, LA Tech, Tulane, Sam Houston State, etc.
@@Josh1888USU I just don't think Utah State would be a priority over any of those other of schools that OSU/WSU would want to invite into the Pac-12. The problem with the AAC schools is that the fear of regulation would probably keep them out of wanting to join this kind of system for the fear of losing TV revenue compared to what they are currently getting from their ESPN deal.
@@crab1 It doesn't matter, if you are promoting promotion/relegation then winning is everything. CSU gets their ass kicked by everyone in the conference on the regular, whereas only Boise can claim a winning record over USU since we joined the conference.
@@Josh1888USU all I’m saying is I don’t see Utah State getting the initial invite to the Pac-12 in a promotion/relegation system. But yeah I think Wyoming and Utah State both would compete well and fight for promotion regularly.
Utah top 20 team in all of Power 4? I'm not sure of that.
Europe relegation is an old idea that even Europe is moving away from. It makes no sense from a financial, travel, logistical, student, and other basis. There are modern competitive/relegation concepts that are far superior to the old style Europe relegation.
And the best power 2 team gets promoted to the NFL.
FIX CFB
4 conferences
1 Alabama, Georgia, Georgia, LSU
2 Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State
3 Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska
4 Notre Dame, USC, Florida State
Each conference drafts schools for their conference with that selected member getting a vote in the next round
They draft 9 making 4 12 school power members that cannot be relegated
Each conference then drafts the remaining FBS schools for their mandatory relegation league that they must make 2 spots available for annually
The payment for the relegatable teams goes to the relegation conference not the individual school. Is that fair? Would conferencce USA teams make more or less money? Cuz they are never getting a full share invite for themselves. NEVER
Guess what stupid ideas are stupid. 1st any G5 playoff probably consisting of 8 to 16 teams will take 3 to 4 weeks, this now makes G5 teams play 18 games, reduce the regular season games means you reduce the financial ability of entire G5. 2nd, if you move teams up and down, tv contracts would inhibit these. 3rd, the G5 is nothing more than training athletes for the portal and transfer to the SEC, big 10, big 12, and acc
I’m 38 years old… if what you are saying happens, I’m done watching after 25 + years of cfb fandom. STOP TRYING TO TURN COLLEGE FOOTBALL IN NFL JR!
It is already happening. depending on market size and demand, some group of 25 to 65 of the largest programs will break away and do their own thing and the athletes will be effectively employees of the Universities they play for.
Pro/rel isn’t NFL junior.
Pro/rel is what sort of saves you from NFL junior. I stress “sort of” for reasons… but the kids are never going back to the old system.
FCS IS A LEVEL! G5 IS NOT A LEVEL! FBS IS A LEVEL WITH 9 CONFERENCES! KICKING HALF THE FBS TO WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY FCS 2.0 IS NOT GOOD FOR FBS FOOTBALL! …. STOP THIS NONSENSE!
One way or another, it’s happening.
Bro are you liberal?
Nah. Their will be relegation in the B1G, SEC, ACC. ACC Will restructure! All the bottom feeders kicked out and top 10 G5s play for 2 spots in a 14 team CFP! X12 Get 2 SEC and B1G get 5 a piece!
I don't know why the P2 just create 2 Leagues in the SEC and Big 10 that has conferences within those 2 leagues. For Instance the SEC League has the SEC Conference, then the SWC, ACC, and Big 12. While the Big 10 League has the Big 10 Conference, Pac 10, Big East and Big 8. Each conference within that League has 10 to 12 teams and schedule with each other. That way it'll control the super conferences, and 2 leagues has presence in the East and West Coast. In the SEC having the big 8 out West and the ACC out East. And the Big 10 having the Pac 12 out West and the Big East out east.
@@charleswebsterjr.6350 That’s 6 or more conference commissioners getting demoted. Never happen.
I’m of the opinion that conferences must die in order to install pro/rel. Perhaps not all of them, but certainly the old power conferences that aren’t P2 and the higher G5 conferences.
You do need regionalized lower tiers. But you also need to wreck the old “we’re too good for that school 50 miles away from us” thinking.
Gee Spencer with respect to another Boise preseason poll going their way, can you name the team the beat both Boise and UNLV last year? And also has the most experienced QB and coaching staff in the MW? You barely mention them, but instead focus on transfer portal rankings. Please focus more on teams that didn’t need the transfer portal. I think it’s more important.
It's an idiotic idea. Keep that European soccer crap away from college football. Thank you.