5G for GUITAR?! Should We Be Scared? | NUX 5.8GHz Wireless
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- Wireless transmission has come a long way since they days of police radios interfering with primitive VHF systems.
Now NUX has jumped up to 5.8GHz transmission frequencies to lift your guitar signal outside the 2.4GHz bluetooth and wifi clutter. Let's learn a little more about wireless transmission to see why we shouldn't fear 5G.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:33 - Product Features
01:29 - How Wireless Works
02:18 - Bit Depth and Sample Rate
04:17 - 5G Carrier Frequency
06:37 - Audio Latency
08:18 - 'Cabletone'
10:10 - Transmission Range
11:11 - Conclusion
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I've already gone 5G, because I got all 4 of my covid jags. Yay for being in the 'most clinically vulnerable' group.
I made that joke all 3 times I got my jabs. Everyone laughed though my wife thought everyone would be annoyed.
@@ehrichweiss Where you "lucky" and got the human bluetooth lots? YOu know the lots with the nano technology shots that make you emmit a bluetooth signature signal of 12 numbers ..for example: 2G : 3R : 6Y : E7 : 53 : 5T. You can easily check it out with your smart phone.
I've got 5Gs in my name, so I'm fine.
It's only "Graham", but I have a really bad stammer.
@@ehrichweiss Wait till we go to the next Phase after the Ukraine & Russia Phase, in PLandemic Two, when they turn the Microwaves ON! People get fried... And they'll blame it on some "new" Strain! After that we'll go to the End of the Free internet Phase and People get their "Co2 Credits" and Digital ID .. And then the "Abolishment" of "Cash" with a full fledged "Social Credit"system ala Chinese Model ! And then we are at 2030... When they👃 will assess all their "Sustainable Development Goals" if they've👃 reached as many as they'd hoped to.. to eventually go to the Transhumanism Phase... Which will be the END of Humanity!
We can NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN.
@@klauscottonswab2322 so true bestie
This vid features probably the best layman's guide to audio sampling I've come across. I really wish I had this on hand when I was completing my Audio DSP filter project in Uni back in the early 2000s
Great vid as always Colin. Just a couple points to add:
- I have the previous gen Nux wireless system running at 2.4ghz. Terrific units all the same and the convenience is just priceless at small gigs and at home practice. The nearly identical Harley Benton Air system is the same as the NUX gen1 2.4ghz in every meaningful way, and they're cheaper. I own both sets.
- All of the manufacturers making these kinds of units very often play a bit fast and loose with the BATTERY LIFE as I have experienced. Everyone should be aware - stated battery times are almost ALWAYS for the RECEIVER not the transmitter. Transmitters require more energy to function and overall, the discrepancy between stated life and actual usage times can vary by up to 15+%. So 4 hours for these really means more like 3.5hours continuous use from what I've seen. Still a lot. But really not cool and sneaky for the companies to "misdirect" on this stuff.
Cheers!
Battery life per full-charge would decay over time as well, so that has to be taken into account on top of that. Still, most people aren't playing shows over 90 minutes, so both factors likely won't matter to 99% of people. Still a bit of a shame though, quick-charging and long-lasting wireless stuff is great but rare.
I've had my 5.8 systems ,2 of them, for a yr using them every Sunday for worship and Thursday for band practice. Only charge on Fridays once a week. They last both times every time which is about 5- 6 hrs without fail. Except the 1 time I didn't charge 1 set and they went dead during 1 service. Quickly changed to cable and realized my mistake.
@@sparkyguitar0058 That's really good to hear. Obviously not been my own run time experience. But if yours are 5.8ghz, they're likely a bit newer. What model/brand are they? II'd like to grab a set myself if I can based on your good recommendation and experience. Thanks for the feeeback and cheers! :)
@@joesatchton212 Getaria 5.8. Got 1 used on a Ebay bid. Had a problem with delivery. Needed these for a IEM system I was putting together. So went to Amazon and just bought a new set with overnight delivery. A week later the 1st set finally arrived. Now I have 2. But not a problem. I already have 6 AKG wireless bug systems. Each a different frequency. 1 even came with a piece that makes any mic wireless. Never had any failure but reputation is bug failure. I did buy 2 that have minor problems but my tech says he can fix them. Haven't dropped them off yet cause don't need it and taking care of other things at this time. When I do get these fixed I'll have 7 AKG bug and 2 Getaria systems. Kinda a lot of wireless but I own enough equipment to use these all at the same time. And every system is different enough to use them all at the same time. I could never go back to a cord in my guitar. Did once lately and found how much boost wireless is with my acoustic/ electric guitar. My secret to great acoustic sound. Little volume out of the guitar volume knob leaves a cleaner ,clearer acoustic sound. I've seen live acts where the acoustic sounds so electric and their equipment was 2-3 times more expensive than my cheap guitars and wireless system. And I can really make it badass by adding my BBE mini sonic stomp. That also really helps acoustic sound. Just run the wireless into pedal, short cable into P A and sounds like a miked guitar. The only thing that might bother others is that I velco all my wireless bugs to the guitar so that means cleaning a spot near the jack to glue velco piece to guitar. And I mean scrape a square spot on your guitar so glue really sticks. Sliced up my Les Paul and both my acoustics so glue holds bug safe. If not your leg can and will break bug when it moves around. I never broke 1 but did just try to glue to glossy finish and it didn't hold. So actually cut lines in wood so glue will hold velco pressure. It don't pop off when I remove bug. Guitar changes are fast this way. But can't say I damaged equipment cause never gonna sell this equipment. And when I die and this equipment goes to someone else, well that's their problem.
The Harley Benton system lasts plenty of time - it gets through a 3 hour gig or rehearsal and still has plenty of battery life to spare. The only thing about the Harley Benton system is that it doesn't work with active pickups.
5.8GHz is not 5G.
This system is basically the same as your home WiFi - the WiFi which is used to join your laptop or mobile phone to your home broadband router
I so much agree. Not 5G just different wireless range. 5G is a different kind of signal than wireless 5.8.
You will find Wifi routers that are labelled '5G' and have the 5Ghz range (usually between 5.2Ghz and 5.8Ghz). 5G for mobile phones simply means 5th generation, but they actually _do_ use a far higher frequency range from 1Ghz to 6Ghz for mode 1 and from 25Ghz to 52.6Ghz for mode 2). So actually, it _can_ operate in the 5.8Ghz range. Wifi operates in the open spectrum range, mobile phones are operating in the limited or closed spectrum range. It's usually illegal to broadcast on the same frequencies as your mobile phone network.
But! It’s 5.8 GHz, so your cell phone & routers work on 2.4 MHz.
That means no interruptions when playing your guitar! YA!
@@stevenordstedt2535 I think most modern routers are dualband, so they also have a 5ghz signal!
@@stevenordstedt2535 2.4 is most other systems in a house. T V remotes, your fan/ light remote, stuff like that.
Yeah, cellphone 5G uses 24-54GHz not the NUX's 5.8GHz which is also shared by the latest wifi technologies.
It's almost like they are two obviously different technologies I've deliberately conflated for the bait factor.
@@ScienceofLoud Yeah, obviously, after watching the intro.
I wonder if this is why my bluetooth headset acts up sometimes. It seemed to start when my city started getting 5G as well, my bluetooth headset started to stutter every so often.
@@toshineon Not at all. Bluetooth operates at 2.4 GHz. 5G operates in three band ranges; 700 MHz (T-Mobile in the US), which is the same frequency space as 4G LTE (and not really any faster), and also VHF TV stations. Then there's 5 GHz, which most other cell carriers use for 5G. Ultra-Wideband 5G is, yes, in the 24-54 GHz range, but millimeter waves are obstructed by basically anything (your body reflects them -- thus why millimeter waves are used in airport scanners), and so there hasn't been wide deployment of this tech yet; even so, the frequency is so much higher than Bluetooth that it's well beyond the filter frequency of your receiver.
There IS the concept of front-end overload in radios, which is when a transmitter is not operating on your radio's frequency band, but is powerful enough that it overloads the front-end of the radio receiver and you get interference. Cell phone towers are not that powerful; though the FCC permits cell towers to have an ERP of up to 500 watts (depending on tower height), typically ERP is less than 100 watts, and in urban areas, may be as low as 10 watts. (For comparison, the effective radiated power of a particular TV station in Seattle is 1 million watts! But that's a VERY tall antenna tower.) Front-end overload is usually encountered like when someone is transmitting on a powerful ham radio rig (100 watts+) and it causes interference with their neighbor's TV.
5G is very unlikely to be causing a problem with your Bluetooth headphones. More probably your neighbor's WiFi, or just bending over with the phone in your pocket, are enough to disrupt Bluetooth (it's very weak).
@@soundman1402 Interesting, thanks for the explanation. While I can't say what causes this in this case, it only happens when I'm outside and it gets much worse on some streets downtown.
Wireless transmission has come a long way since they days of police radios interfering with primitive VHF systems.
Now NUX has jumped up to 5.8GHz transmission frequencies to lift your guitar signal outside the 2.4GHz bluetooth and wifi clutter. Let's learn a little more about wireless transmission to see why we shouldn't fear 5G.
Get your own NUX 5G Wireless - www.nuxefx.com/c-5rc.html
www.amazon.com/NUX-Wireless-Charging-Transmitter-Interference/dp/B09H726VH7/
www.guitarworld.com/
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And yet I still pick up radio stations on my amp when I use my self-built Fuzz Face 🤣
Great vid as always! Content is even better than the click bait ha ha.. i have the nux b2 wireless from 2018 and it's amazing how nux went up quickly from 2g to 5g
GLAD you said NU-X properly! \m/
Hey, I have a TATA. Can you explain the differences between instrument, mic, and line level signals? I'm most interested in the difference between instrument and line level, as relates to impedance and voltage output.
Lol, I love that you said people might use them to play on the john. I actually measured the distance from my pedalboard to my bathroom, and made a cable long enough to reach, so I can keep playing while on the shitter!
Dime had a guitar next to his toilet, and he said "that is why my riffs are the shit!"
Well, if it worked for him, it can work for us.
I have older version of this NUX. It happened once that interference disturbed the signal. And on Ibanez bass GSR200 (active) there was constant buzz. New version should be even better. Changing case looks super useful.
One question. How well it will work with active basses?
I bought the 2.8 GHs. Out of 30 plus igs only once it was not usable. I noticed in the cable vs. wireless demo the wireless cuts some lows. Mind you that in a band context would only tighten the sound so it is not a big deal. I also find that have learnt to like the extra clarity the extra highs add especially in a band. One thing I do not like with all the budget systems is there is no way to change the battery. I have v. 2 of the 2.8 ...but I had v.1 and it would not recharge and I had to toss it out.
Hello,
If you have a pedalboar, should you put you receiver on it and then a cable from the pedal board to the amp. Or should you plug your receiver on the amp and the jack on your guitar ?
Of not you'll need two of those transmitter/receiver ?
What about impedance? If you use a piezo pickup, would you need a preamp before the transmitter?
Can you do the difference from running effects through your fx loop vs infront of amp? Like delay and tuning pedal
The "cable-tone" sounded a touch darker than the cable. They may have designed it to emulate a longer cable, possibly 20 feet (the longest cable you xan use on a guitar)..
"Flesh sack audience" had me nearly hysterical... then ya hit me with Colin taking a dump 🤣🤣 🤘🤘
I will never be able to unsee that. I am scarred.
Hey great video as usual. I play guitar and sing. Can you advise on an in ear system solution for guitar and vocals at the same time? So i don't have to rely on monitors for my vocals? My stage is generally really quiet UNFORTUNATELY and of course i want my guitars loud so i can have a little more dynamics in my playing and singing. Dont care if its a mono system or not P.S. I REALLY DONT WANNA SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS... LOL
Would the wireless unit transforming the signal to digital and then back again negate the need for any sort of buffer in the signal chain due to the fact the normal guitar signal isn’t directly hitting the pedals/amp?
Awesome!!
Colin: "Who's ever gonna be more than 30 meters away from their amp?"
Angus: "whatchutalkinabewt??"
Yeah, but I’m no Angus playing stadiums and arenas. So 30m would be plenty fo my little gigs.
Thank you for saying the latency issue is a non issue I remember doing the how far are your ears from the amp maths to a guitarist who claimed from the back of the pub he could hear the latency on my Shadow guitar synth some long years ago now.
Guitar synth tracking is a whole different thing. The old ones took around 30ms to lock onto a note so you could definitely hear it on the wrong patches - harpsicord used to show it up really well
I've got the B-5RC and love'em
5.8 has been around for awhile. I have seen ads for one just like this one on Amazon for over a year
Will it plug into a Ibanez Jem style socket. My line 6 g10 doesn't without extension jack
This man knows how to do a proper review.
Can you use pedals with this setup? Or can you use multiple ones on the same a frequency? Thanks great vid.
this is what i need to know aswell... i have never used a wireless system, and i used many pedals, @CSGuitars any updates or answers? thanks
9:19 cable
9:44 transmitter (cable tone)
Can this be used for recording too?
I have really bad electricity noise that my G&L Doheny pick ups only if my laptop is plugged. ( no noise when on battery)
Would this help?
"Cabletone" sound seems thinner than the real cable (Hosa 6meter) ?
I've got one coming tomorrow. I'll see if it works on my active bass. I'm hopeful, since the other do.
And 8 month later what di you think about this product?🙂
I have been using an Xvive U2 for a couple years now, and I absolutely would never go back to cables now. This is strange, considering how us guitar players don't like technology, or new things in general.
Wireless does allow me to dance about on stage, so I highly suggest it.
What?! Guitar players can't breath if they don't have another pedal. Look at all the gear channels on CZcams. People making a living out of reviewing the same stuff as everyone, at the same time.
Maybe you're in the minority like me who has had the same pedals for decades but the "norm" is : buy everything Rabea, Pete Thorn, Knows your gear etc.... Tells you to buy
I've been using wireless since it 1st came out cheap enough for the average guy.A Nady system which lasted about a yr. Real junk then. I went with AKG wireless bug system 15 yrs ago. Still use it today, in fact found a used all battery powered 1 that I use mostly. But watching a IEM video turned me onto 5.8 rechargeable wireless. So I got 2 Getaria 5.8 systems and started using them on anything ; acoustic guitars, keyboards, mixer to powered speaker. Have not had any connection issues of any sort. I play in a outside worship band and we have almost everything wireless including 2 mics I know nothing about. The more wireless we use the less electricity we need since we use a small rechargeable quiet generator. Typically guitar, keyboard, 2 mics, and the mixer to speaker are all wireless with no cables on the ground to pick up interference or any electric cord to plug in. All last the full service time and I've walked around with my guitar singing with audience members. 5.8 Getaria wireless system. AKG wireless bug system. Them's my 2. For the 3 units it costs me about $140.
Still using it?🙂 hiw long baterry last now?🙂 Do you have dropouts from it?
Ironically, only ONE MONTH after I posted that comment, the batteries died. That is the thing about lithium-ion. It has a short life. The batteries also cannot be replaced, so you need to replace the entire unit. Of course, the manufacturer warranty is two years, which is almost exactly the lithium-ion battery lifespan. Whereas cables last as long as you take care of them, so I have permanently gone back to cables.
Anyway, as far as dropouts, that never happened. Just don't expect to play a festival with them, because they run on the same frequency as WiFi, and guess what everyone in the audience has their phones connected to. If you want wireless units which run on a channel specifically-reserved for professional audio equipment, they are EXPENSIVE, because EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT comes with a license to use that frequency. Whereas high-quality cables are shielded, so they don't give or receive any interference at all, so they function equally as well in festivals as they do in the recording studio.
So, my opinion today is to avoid wireless anything. Go back to cables, and stay with cables. High-quality cables are not terribly expensive.
How does it go fitting into a strat-style recessed input? Looks like the imput unit's body might butt up against the edges of the plate?
I think it should fit. It looks like the outer shell and jack is the same as the Nux Mighty Plug, which I own and it fits every type of guitar.
Is that thing stereo or is that how it's charged?
Thanks for your videos. I really like your content and learned a lot from it!
One question about this product:
Sender and receiver seem to have stereo jacks. Does that mean, that a stereo signal is transmitted?
According to another comment, yes. But if you’re a guitarist, you don’t have to care bc guitars and amps don’t work in stereo.
@@blackfowl75 I added a piezo pickup to my hollow body and mounted a stereo socket - the tip of the stereo cable is for the signal of the humbuckers and the ring is for the signal of the piezo. On my pedalboard I have a foot switch which lets me choose which of the two signals I want to use. Therefore I need a stereo signal.
I bet filming that bit on the john was fun lol
Colin, do you think having 2 pairs would work, one to the pedal board from the amp and one for the guitar to the board ?
It would certainly double the latency. At some point it gets audible. Some can detect a latency of 10ms.
I play in the church before the mass, then sit and play again after 45 minutes.
The mixer sits away from me and no one sit next to it.
When I play again after 45 minutes, the unit that’s plugged in my guitar already went into sleep mode, which I’ll press on it to bring it back to life.
Fir the unit that’s plugged in the mixer, do I need also someone to press on it to bring it to life, or will it detects that the guitar side is active now and connects back?
What I don't understand is why it's so hard to make a decent affordable stereo IEM transmitter
Can you advise on whether you need a licence to use a 5.8GHz wireless system in the UK? Some websites suggest you do but you haven't commented on it at all
5.8GHz is the frequency that most Bluetooth transmits on. You don't need a license
It's been a long time since I bought a piece of gear because of a single youtube video. Great job explaining the tech, man. A very well put together review, and a really handy piece of kit.
every time you use that LP i'm going to be reminded that it has a print of your nadgers on the back of it.
EytschPi42 Cameo @ 5:38 :-)
As always, great explanation of how gear works. Thanks Colin!!!!
I wish they’d have a lead so you can strap it to your guitar strap, I get that it seems like more messing about but I don’t like how it looks with the big dongle sticking out the guitar
Xvive makes one that will fit this device and it’s available on Amazon. H1 transmitter holder
Everyone's gotta eat, but this channel has just become infomercials.
Welcome to the world.
I'm working through a backlog of gear reviews - I'll be moving onto more interesting things soon.
@@ScienceofLoud I respect the fact that you at least admit it. Besides, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t promote something horrendous, and the videos are still interesting (to me at least)
1:10 4 hour battery? yeah, when manufacturers say 4h then its usually 3h and degrades quickly to 2h or 1h. and then we are already very close to the danger zone.
and can we replace the battery? yes/no? didn't found it in your vid.
hey man, 2 questions: could i plug this receiver on my audio interface to record professionally or is it better to use a cable? And I know it's the same logic, but if i would use pedals in front of my amp, I should plug the receiver on my pedal as well, right?
1. In a situation like a recording session you are always better to use a cable.
2. Yes, you can connect the receiver to the beginning of your effects chain if you are using pedals.
@@ScienceofLoud thanks man! why is using a cable better for the recording session?
but anyway, thanks again! best regards from brazil!
@@walerko immediate thought on recording is actually sample rate. 44.1 khz is "cd quality" but it's pretty common in studio settings to record at 48 khz, and sometimes people will even record as high as 96 or 128. Beyond that, primary advantage of wireless is mobility, which is not really significant in a studio. Also, recording sessions can get long, and it's totally possible for a studio session to outlast the battery life of your transmitter.
@@reaganharder1480 Amazing! I didn't know about people recording at those high sample rates. Thanks man!
Funny. Heard this 'your ears have more latency from the distance the sound travels from the cab' argument several times now. The truth is, of course, that this latency mentioned is the same in both situations. The real question is how fast the signal travels through the cable vs through the wireless device. And then the latency back to the ears has to be added to that.
For the rest, great review.
Hey Colin, I've got a TATA, is it real that playing a bass through a guitar amp can damage it? And if it's true, why?
I can answer that for you, though Colin would be better for explaining all the science behind it.
I've used various amps over the years for bass and for a couple of years I used a Laney AOR with no issues (also used a HH IC100).
Any problems that may arise are likely to be with the speakers not being able to cope. My V30 loaded 4x12 handles bass frequencies ok at lower volumes, but I wouldn't want to gig it (I have a bass 2x10 for gigging).
@@baldyhead thank you so much! I thought it wouldn’t be something related to the circuit, the low end response of the speakers make sense, thank you for the explanation, you rock!
I feel like Colin has touched on this in a video before...
But, no, running a bass through a guitar amp will not damage it. The tone you get out of it will not be desirable for most contexts of bass playing, as the two instruments are focused on different frequency ranges and thus, so are their amps, though that different tone can make for an interesting effect. Running a bass amp head into a guitar amp cab could blow out your speakers though, since bass amps usually run a lot more power (a 400 watt bass amp isn't that uncommon, but it's almost impossible to find a guitar amp over 100 watts), but even then, so long as your speakers are rated for the power you're sending to them you're probably fine. Caveat to that; if your amp has a tube power amp, you also need to make sure you're impedance is matched between the speaker and the amp output. Too much of a mismatch can blow up your tubes.
@@reaganharder1480 the tone will be fine as, broadly speaking, the frequency ranges of bass and guitar are similar; with the bass starting at around 40hz, going up to around 4000hz Vs guitar starting at around 80hz, going up to around 5000hz. Even though the bass tone control of a guitar amp may not focus on those lower frequencies, it still boosts the right range. Mids may require more judicious control, dependent on the amp.
There wasn't really any distinction between guitar and bass amplification until around the late 60s, the Fender Bassman may have existed before, but often used by guitarists and Marshall used it as the basis for their JTM 45, of course.
The speakers and cab are much more important.
I never have to charge my cable.. ;) Or turn it on for that matter
I can offer the one reason that I was taught decades ago by a guy who gives "director's notes" to professional performers to never use wireless ****for performances**** . The reason? Cables only have one point of failure. That is, if one fails it is easy to diagnose and fix. And the guy I'm talking about is a professional's professional(literally tons of people you admire to go to this guy for advice on stuff like this). I'm not against wireless in the least but cables rarely fail and if they do they are easy/cheap to have a backup ready whereas if a wireless system fails, you have to either diagnose the problem or have an expensive backup in the wings ready to be implemented, which isn't likely for performers who don't have a lot of extra cash, or just go back to a standard cable. I've actually noticed a lot of pros are doing exactly this now because they see reliability as being more important than convenience. And again, if you want to use wireless during practice when a glitch won't affect your paycheck, by all means do so. Hell, if you want to do it during a performance, knock yourself out but when(it's not "if") your system fails you will forever think about what I've told you.
Also, there's plenty of interference in the 5.8 GHz range so you're not as free from "wifi clutter" as you might think since "5G" wifi goes to about 5.9 GHz in the U.S. and most wifi is using that these days.
I should note, I've been an electrical engineer for over 35 years, in amateur radio since the 1980s, and used to design and build satellite receivers from the transistor level in high school, so I have no fear of 5G or otherwise. I'm just well versed on the multiple issues that can be encountered and how to mitigate them if possible.
I've been using a joyo jw-03 for over a year and multiple shows. Not had a failure or interference yet. But the cable is coiled up right by the pedal board just in case.
Based on both experience and what I've seen, I disagree. I've seen a lot of very much professional, touring bands use wireless with no notorious failures (which it would be if it was as you described). At the same time, in my almost 10 years of playing electric guitar nothing has been a bigger infuriating nuisance than cables just no longer working despite no obvious damage and if your rig is any more complicated than guitar straight into the amp, it's a whole Sherlock investigation which one is it. (And no, I never buy the cheapest stuff.) The more and sooner we can move away from cables the better.
I toured for years with both cables and wireless systems, I can definitely count the number of wireless fails I had on the fingers of one hand, cables were dying all over the place constantly. Also, most importantly, a roaming singer can't trip over a wireless and unplug you embarrassingly mid-solo! To be fair, if you were told that decades ago, some of the wireless systems around then were rather dire.
The micro USB port ... what were they thinking...
44.1k/24 bit in a clean sound is fine for all of us humans. I notice the difference in quality between 44.1k an and 96k for high gain amp sounds using amp modellers on my computer, but this won't be an issue on the clean end of the signal as the the filtered analogue audio output from these type of devices wont be a problem. 😊 I've used line 6 2.4g wireless kits and found them fine except for the interference/dropouts. These 5.8g versions will be great until this frequency range becomes congested. Hopefully this will be at least 5-10 years away.
I own a set of NUX 2.4 GHz, and I am a physicist. I had not really thought about how they work. But I agree with the person who said that 5.8 GHz is not the same as 5G. 5.8 GHz is a wireless transmission frequency band, whereas 5G is a wireless network generation that offers faster data transfer and lower latency. 5.8 GHz does not have to be transmitted on a 5G network.
NUX Rep: Hi Colin, fancy doing a promo for our new kit? You can do whatever you want with it.
Colin: Whatever I want?
NUX Rep: Sure, go for it.
Colin: Bessie! Bring me the Toilet Cam!
There was nowhere in the contract that said I couldn't and they even had an opportunity to veto it.
So really they WANTED it to be there.
@@ScienceofLoud where else ?😜
"It's easy to make everything a conspiracy when you don't understand how anything works". Brilliant :D
I loved how subtly brutal that part was.
And so true.
This is the basic mechanism which made it possible that people like Trump can become president .... 😔 ... lack of education and knowledge.
Sorry, had to comment... 5g wireless for cell phones means 5th generation... for wifi 2.4 and 5.0 and 5.8 is is frequencies you get around your house/apartment...
NUX needs to make a wireless headphone system for guitarists.
10:19 ".... who's ever going to be more than 30 metres away from their amp while playing guitar?"
I'll have you know Guitar Slim "had an assistant who followed him around the audience with up to 350 feet of cord between his guitar and his amplifier,[6] and occasionally rode on his assistant's shoulders or even took his guitar outside the club, bringing traffic to a stop."
(Thx Wikipedia for the text, but I knew this from the back cover text of an LP I got in the 80s).
Sounds good. On another note: can we all agree the equalization in Californication is trash?
You should not call it "5G"... it is just a 5.8GHz system (5.8GHz carrier based system).
5G... 4G.... 3G.... are more coined for the mobile systems, pretty much that name was 'created' by them, and the "5G" is of no reference to being 5GHz region at all. (Or 4G being 4GHz either - not at all). The G actually means GENERATION (the version, evolution etc). 5G = 5th Gen.
So stick to "WiFi" or "Wireless" (which will automatically mean 2.4GHz or 5.8GHz) and append the carrier range "2.4GHz", "5.8GHz"....
But THANKS for the usual highly detailed device/system outline, done with an ideal balance of technical and layperson 'crosslink' so everyone CAN learn/understand the stuff!!!
Weren't cordless phones technically using 5G decades ago? They've been running on 5Ghz band for at least a couple of decades.
This product is not really 5G, as all these cordless phones are not 5G, 5GHz is not the same as 5G, 5G is fifth generation, 5GHz is a frequency band.
2GHz Band is becoming crowded as stated in the video (which is a shame because 2GHz has a wider range as its easier for it to go through objects) on the other hand 5GHz is able to transmit way more data in the same signal but at the expense of not beign able to go through objects as easily.
If you have a big house and you want more range with internet set your router to 2Ghz if you have a small flat just put 5GHz this will also make it harder for neighbours to have signal from your wifi.
I've been using a 5.8 system for like 3 or more years now. It's not that new. Nice video though. Very informative and edited well.
What system on 5.8 you are using?🙂 Still satisfied with it?
@@petarzdravkovic2253 I have the Lekato and this NUX. Both work well.
Thanks -I ordered one yesterday because if your awesome review. Just arrived via Amazin - about to try it out. Thanks - your channel rocks!!!!
Well cs guitars doesn't suck at promoting corporate shit
Praise the algorithm! Behold it’s boney fingers around your supple engagement and dispair.
I need it OuO
Why is there a guitar world logo in the corner?
Because Guitar World commissioned the video.
Gotcha thank you.
I know its bait but I’m still triggered that you imply the G stands for GHZ.
Yeah, I know.
But it makes a good headline and narrative for the video.
@@ScienceofLoud agreed
0:50 topped up 🥴🥴
USB-C is still pretty expensive compared to Micro-USB. Only for charging there isn't a big advantage of switching to USB-C.
It's a difference of like 10 cents per port
Micro-USB is a mechanically very fragile construction. In addition the connector cannot be reversed and the maximum charging current allowed is only 500mA (because after that the connectors will slowly start melting ....). This also explains why (me as an electrical engineer) could never understand, why anyone would want to standardize on this shi...ty connector for charging mobile devices! USB-C is in every aspect the better connection.
I think the latency naysayers have probably come across DAW latency reported by ASIO drivers. In THAT world, you're only getting part of the story. The reported ASIO latency is almost always driver output latency only - which means from input to output will be more than that, often (but oddly not always) double, in fact. Add to that the inherent DAC conversion adding a little bit more, and you have people who've believed for a long time that a 5ms latency just isn't good enough - because they've been lied to and are actually dealing with 12ms or more.
I'd really just like someone to hurry up and come out with a decent, reasonably priced RF headset for guitar playing already. I still think playing with a cable draped down one shoulder is super distracting.
You mean like Boss did 2 years ago?
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@Boner McGillicuddy "reasonably priced" can mean anything. It's entirely subjective and dependent on your budget and justifications.
Everything is reasonably priced for someone.
A few things: 44k1 is not "The standard" for anything besides the CD. If there is a "Standard" it is 48k as used in Video, Broadcast, the Windows operating system, most audio compression formats etc. 44k1 has become sort of a de-facto standard by way of so many people ripping CDs and the idea that recording in the format one might print to the CD media is a good idea. (How many people still distribute CDs?) So a file is recorded at 44k1, then turned into an MP3, OGG, whatever and stored as 48k, you then listen to it at 44K1 which means the sample rate gets changed twice. Anyway, for all that, there is nothing wrong with 44k1 for this product... no one will hear the difference. Though when recording... most audio interfaces sound better at 48k because the analog filtering is designed to suit that best.
Latency, less than 5ms is good. I would take exception with placing 30ms as the place that is noticeable. With an analog cable my timing suffers by the time I am 7 to 10 meters away from my amp/FOH so even at 20ms there is a problem. So adding the 5ms of the device to 8.8ms at 3meters for a total of 13.5ms, one is starting to tread on the edges of what is usable. Certainly playing with the band while wandering back to the sound desk to adjust levels or hear the overall effect will affect most people's playing. I think analog would be better... if done right :) BTW 5ms latency is the minimum for OPUS compression and is probably what is used (it's very good). OPUS is a 48k format so 44k1 in -> convert to 48k -> compress -> decode -> convert to 44k1... 48k would have made a better product.
The last thing is that by 5G you seem to mean 5GHz rather than 5G or 5th Generation cell technology. 4G was/is not 4GHz but just 4th generation Cell. When I first saw the "5G" in the title, my first thought was "the signal goes through a cell tower?"
OK, so most guitarists (musicians) would never notice any of these things. They are nit picking yes and for a product review of this sort, none of the things I have mentioned make a whole lot of difference to practical use. Did you notice if the dongle sticking out gets in the way or not? Can it fold up against the guitar body (and get taped/velcroed) there?
Have a great day and thank you for trying all these things out.
I have the Joyo wireless guitar 1/4” system and I’ll never go back to using a cable when jamming casually or playing music with my band mates.
I haven’t used any of the other brands version of this, but while the sound quality is excellent and sounds basically perfect through an amp when I plug this thing into my interface and record guitar with headphones on there is a slight electromagnetic hiss that comes in on some of the high and low frequencies it’s pretty subtle but definitely noticeable and enough to where you wouldn’t want to record with this thing because there is some definite signal degradation and it could be there frequencies in my house jumping around I think the one I have might be 2.4 GHz I’m not sure. If indeed it is I might need to upgrade to the new X5 GHz version. Either way this is one of the best gear purchases I’ve ever made and I can’t see myself ever going back to a cable I plug the receiver into the beginning of my pedalboard.
I also have the Joyo system and after about a month the transmitter battery only lasts about an hour. When it was new it lasted about 2 hours.
5.8 ghz is not the same as cell phone 5g. Cell phone 5g is around 28 and 39 ghz.
Your home wifi dual band router is 2.4ghz and 5.8ghz
Actually electricity travels at the speed of sound, but for such close distances, it might as well be the speed of light, it makes no difference.
EDIT: Colin explained in the replies why what I just said is wrong.
Unless you are calling Wikipedia a liar, electricity in a conductor travels near the speed of light: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity
@@ScienceofLoud My knowledge comes from a recent video by Veritasium and another video by AlphaPhoenix. It's very informative, but, the wikipedia page says it's 50% to 99% of the speed of light.
That's not the speed of light.
The speed of sound can reach those levels when the medium is dense enough and the mass of the wave is low enough.
But I'm not a physicist.
I am a physicist and the speed of sound has nothing to do with the propagation of electricity in a conductive medium. Electricity is electromagnetic wave and its propagation is governed by the speed of light and some material properties of the conductor.
Sound on the other hand propagates due to the motion of individual molecules compressing the bonds between them. The mechanics are entirely different.
Even 50% the speed of light is orders of magnitude faster than the speed of sound in solids.
Shear waves in steel propagate somewhere in the region of 3000m/s, whereas 50% light speed is 150,000,000m/s.
They are not even close. I would suggest you've misunderstood the Veritasium video.
You also have fallen into the trap of thinking that the speed of light is an unchanging constant. c is the speed of light in vacuum, however light changes its speed of propagation depending on the medium it is travelling through.
Light travels slower in water than in air for example, hence why a drinking straw appears to bend across the liquid/air boundary.
c/2 is very much still the speed of light, much the same as the speed of sound can be vastly different depending on the density of the matter it is propagating through.
@@ScienceofLoud I probably did! Thank you for taking the time to explain, very much appreciated 🙏
If you don't experience any dropouts while on the throne, you may want to consult a doctor, as that's exactly what's SUPPOSED to happen there - just a thought
Funny that you mention RHCP. Pat Finnerty just thoroughly ruined Dani California for me this morning. Still reeling from the loss.
Re: Making everything into a conspiracy
Daaayuuuuum!
No body on CZcams test these next to a guitar lead
What difference are you expecting to hear in that context?
5Gh is clutter free, even for the future
I'm normally cool with a bit of clickbait, and I'm sure you explain that radio frequencies are functionally harmless, but putting "Should We Be Scared" is a bit much, don't ya think?
No.
Meet the new x
Not the same as the old ex
Check the specs
NUX... safer than NUKES... and if you need a Nu X before you even meet her... well, even 5 Gs won't be enough! Love you Colin... but, please... keep your pants on! 😲🤪🤘🎸😎🐦
Just watch oot noo, your guitar might get a virus with that 5G! ;oP
I have to disagree that 5ms isn't noticeable though. Around 5-10ms is noticeable for when playing. Most 'gaming monitors' will go down to 2ms and even that can sometimes be noticeable with all other latencies in the chain of how you control games. It's not because 2ms isn't very very fast, but it's how all these latencies are cumulative and it's hard to do proper compensation. The biggest positive thing about wireless kits for guitar is getting rid of cables. The downside is having to charge them and the latency. It's just unavoidable. Last but not least, in any signal chain that is going to be recorded, those 5ms or more will _always_ matter. It will be added to all other latencies involved. Ironically, a regular cable will also have an ever so slightly latency, especially the very long cables. Those I would say are well below 1ms though, probably more like 0,001ms. Then again, most mixers you might use or stuff like that will have a worse impact.
Next time use a guitar Tunes with 5 G strings
the only 5g in a guitar that scares me is a price tag
Great vid, but its not using 5g...
That’s not a mammoth
5g is 5th generation, not tied to a frequency band.
Note to self. Never play Colin's gold Les Paul guitar.
773rd viewer :DD
Click Bait! This "5G" has nothing to do with cellular 5G. It's simply the higher band that routers have been using for years. Additionally, NU>X is not the first to use that band. There's many other inexpensive wireless guitar transmitter/receiver devices in the market who have been in the market long before NU>X.
Its not 5G exactly, not like your phone is 5G, its on a 5Ghz band of the standard Wifi6 or AX protocol, Phone 5G uses millimeter waves that a piece of paper can block, wifi 5Ghz while having more bandwidth than 2.4Ghz has a shorter wavelength but not quite millimeter waves, it takes more to block the signal.
Once again marketing BS.
Ideally because probably not many in Music understand actual tech, most gear uses outdated protocols and connection types. A modern Wifi6 has low latency(although still some) and more than enough bandwidth to broadcast a an Analog to Digital signal
You’re out of your mind if you think this is an acceptable wireless for major live gigs. The signal drop, like most all wireless systems is so bad with this thing it is unusable for anything but practice. The loss of EQ that you get is so apparent, anyone with precise hearing should notice. Either you are lying for the sponsor or you really don’t have much of an ear at all. Anyone reading this - do not buy if you plan to use in a professional setting.
I plugged it in to my geetar and all the birds died in China.