Logical Order of Effects
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- Setting up your effects can be difficult if you don't know what order they should be in. With this logical walkthrough you'll know the best placement for each type of pedal.
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Setting up your effects can be difficult if you don't know what order they should be in. With this logical walkthrough you'll know the best placement for each type of pedal.
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i have a question. Is there any negative side effects from having more than one of the same type of pedal (od or distortion) if you only use one at a time? lets say i need one distortion pedal for one specific genre, and the other for another. will having both on my pedal board effect my tone? even if the second one is off and only one is on? I've got a boss ds-1, proco rat 2, and a big muff and was thinking of putting them all on my pedal board simply so i dont have to keep reconnecting and disconnecting and can just use the one i need at the moment and leave the other two off.
What about a compressor is that at the end of the chain or just after your distortion or overdrive?
Hey Colin, cheers for the thorough explanation! Ready to make my first pedalboard here, so you're being very helpful, thank you :-)
watch the video in reverse to see how tom morello builds a pedalboard
IkoGrande not quite, funny joke non the less haha
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Cyperb S. r/ihavereddit
Who cares here garbage
Hehehehe😂😂
Hahahaha we need a shirt that says ".... And then there's Fuzz"
+ErickØSX I like this idea.
Hi Colin, how about Treble Boosters? Some see this effect like a fuzz. It should be the first in the chain.
Seconded!
"And, on the 8th day, God created Fuzz..."
Love the pfp. Nice to see a fellow thrower
PETCH SHEFT
You need to be haired in the mex.
VOLUME END *WAH*
Peckups
You ned to be haired in the mex otherwise you will sound like shet
Rim reeebrb
So where do you put the Miku pedal?
on the pitch
Everywhere
In the trash
Lots of opinions in this thread. Interesting.
Much like peeps........in the trash
Why do I watch this when I don't even have 1 pedal?
same
yeh
DON T KNOW.. BUT I GUESS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BUY IN NEAR FUTURE A DISTORTION PEDAL OR A OVERDRIVE PEDAL.. MAYBE A FACER OR REVERB
. BEST IS DELAY.
Probably because you want some pedals but don't want to put the money down om them at the moment, and/or you don't know what to buy.
Do remind myself what an incredibly involved pain they can be so I can learn to do without them . But they're so pretty . . .
Where in my signal chain should I put my wah?
Correct answer: as far away from Kirk Hammett as possible
true
Hilarious
he will track it down anyway
Hahahaha hahaha hahaha!!....no you're not funny!
Question for you smart arse...
Who's the most famous guitarist??
a) Kirk Hammett
b) Raoul Selten
Hint... it's not you!!
@@fatabelly Hahaha I was just joking around trying to spread the positivity. Kirk is a straight-up legend. Happy new year mate
_volume_ and *WAAAAAAH!*
are you related to Kirk Hammet?
This is the beginner's instructional video I've needed on the order-of-pedal-effects. You've made everything very clear and understandable. Thank you, Colin!
After spending an hour watching Dan and Mick on That Pedal Show discussing pedal order, I recently rebuilt my board in the following order: guitar > wah > fuzz > tuner > boost > distortion > overdrive > phaser > flanger > chorus > comp > volume > EQ > delay > reverb > amp. Fuzz before any buffers and compression after all dirt and modulation have been added to the signal. Very happy with it so far.
"Reverb after distortion"
Shoegaze begs to differ
Sometimes I like delay before the distortion as well...
reverb in front of chain :)
Reverse verb>f u z z> W. H. A. M. M. Y. B. A. R
M'kay...this is why you need multiple reverbs and distortion pedals on your board.😉👍✨
I took a hint from The Raveonettes and have TWO reverb pedals, one reverb BEFORE my dirt pedals and one LAST in the chain. When the first is engaged with plenty of distortion you get a fantastic wash of noise (especially if you aggressively strum with your fretting hand over the pickups!).
Everything right, but I don't agree on the volume pedal.
In front of the distortion it's the same as lowering the volume of your guitar...from the guitar itself.
If you use the volume after the distortion, and before the clean channel of the amp, it makes sense as a boost for solos.
Before the distortion it won't lower the volume, just the gain.
Of course it's ok to put it there if that's what you use it for.
I am thinking about a volume pedal just before a big muff pedal, for controlling the gain of the muff, but also a volume pedal almost at the end for controlling the volume of the guitar. Am I right?
@@bernab
Yep :)
I think most people prefer to use volume pedals for volume/gain swells, like using the volume knob on the guitar. Think of the intro to Fear Inoculum by Tool if you know the song. Having distortion slowly start to creep in as volume swells is much more dynamic than just having distortion, but quieter, especially with high gain amps.
I feel a boost pedal after distortion is more practical for a volume boost for leads.
However, the beautiful thing about music is you can literally do whatever you want. Some of us may use it for gain control, some of us may use it for volume after gain, and some of us may use it to tame the beast known as 16 stacked tube screamers lol
Remember there are no ruels to thess
I know I'm a little late, but I think it's important to mention a looper pedal. For those wondering, it's best to put a looper pedal last. That way if you're trying to layer multiple guitar parts with different effects you can do so. Placing the looper first will then cause every guitar part to have the same effect, meaning any pedals you have turned on. So if you want only certain loops to have distortion, or be clean and so on, place the looper last. Thanks to anyone and everyone who reads this to its entirety.
thank you
Much appreciated, I was wondering about this.
This is correct! Just throwing out there that it may be an advantageous set up to have a looper before certain effects if you were demoing a pedal or just wanted to see how an effect changes the clean sound. Kinda works like post-fx in a DAW.
Without doubt the best 8mins I've spent listening to pedal effects order and associated variables.
An exception for placing reverb _before_ distortion is a surf sound. Back in the day, surf guitarists had Fender reverb tanks placed before an overdriven amp.
so does this mean we need to do the same for black metal!?
@@manfrombritain6816 for black metal just throw your pedals in a random order, turn them all on and youre fine
@@gonkdroid2539 Why bother with pedals? Use the in-built gain channel in your practice amp.
@@mk_rexx but all knobs maxed out
I have my fuzzes right after my flanger and wah, right before the ODs. I love hitting an overdrive with fuzz, greatest distortion ton ive heard.
To the bass players, I found that putting modulation and time based effects in an effects loop is extremely effective.
Bass dude's also need to learn about parallel effects. Because subby octaver really needs to stay on a sidechain (maybe even direct to board) and detuner on a relatively high pass EQ blended back with the bassy dry... *chef kiss*! my preferred chorus sound.
Bass players need to lay off with pedals in general. Get a compression and tuner and buzz off.
@@aaronwilson1467 Naw, bass players using pedals is absolutely fine. You can create some really rich soundscapes without ever sacrificing tone or low end.
I've never had a guitarist complain. In fact, they get kinda excited when they see different gain stages, envelope filters, chorus, flanger etc. It's ok to chase tone.
Love this guy and channel, knows his stuff, has a good sense of humor about himself and has great vid content. 3 hard quality's to run across all at 1 time.
Hey there Colin,
This is by far my favorite video on this channel. So much so in fact that I recommend it to my Sonic Development students as a handy go-to guide for pedal placement. Just as well after a brief argument with a studio engineer one day about my preferred pedal order (fuzz of course was in question) I referred the engineer to this video. By this- I mean I refused to carry forth the session before he watched this... after a quick cigarette his mind was totally changed and said that this video changed his whole outlook on PP and he has since used the logical order as a guide. This order is why most multi-effects pedals also utilize this order for their preset programming- no-brainer there!
The one glaring omission in this video that I can see in this video is the use of compression, and to a lesser extent amp modeling pedals and pre-amps. Thusly to add to your content listed (from my experience):
Compression should be added early in the chain after utility. Of course in the case of fuzz, this can vary with placement before or after the effect, just as well with any distortion/overdrive. A compressor is meant smooth and often boost a signal to add more clarity and differentiation to the notes being played by unifying their amplitude and cutting down transient peaks in the signal, as well as modifying the charicteristics of their attack and release/sustain. In cases where you want a clean and level signal sent into a chain to maximize the benifits of having an even and clear signal, it needs an early placement, either after utility or after the wah/volume. If you want to preserve the frequency boosts and dynamics of your distortion/overdrive/fuzz, as well as potentially modifying there attack and release, they are best placed after these effects. Limiters, which function somwhere in between a noise gate and a compressor should be treated much the same way as the latter example, allowing the limiter to work with the overall output of the signal in question. Placement of a limiter can change depending on noise floor and what frequencies need to be cut, and as they are fairly transparent, can be an anomaly, used in many places in the chain. Rule of thumb here is the last cited example however.
Pre-amps and amp modling pedals are another paradigm. As these pedals/units seek to warm up a signal going into an amplifier (pre-amp) or simulate the output characteristics of a particular kind of amplifier when being fed into a device like a PA or a flat-response solid-state amp. The placement of these is variable as well, but is often at the very end of the chain, or before timed effects. In some cases, a pre can be used very early on the chain, around the same place as a compressor to feed boost and warmth to the overall effects chain, much like using an EQ or a compressor, or to emulate the effects loop of an amplifier. An amp modeling pedal or effect should often be used last in the chain or potentially before timed effects, as it is made to color the sound in such a way that it is changing the tone of the signal chain to cause it to sound as its output is coming from a particular style of amplifier. This can be anomalous as well, and these boxes can often as well be used much like a distortion or overdrive pedal- depending on the model, and may be best placed in a manner that again emulated the afformention use as a replacememt for an effects loop in an amp.
I see no other glaring ommisions to this list, but for informational purposes will mention a couple to any eager seekers of advice that may stumble upon this comment.
Tremolo: this is an effect that modulates amplitude (volume) and not frequency (tonality), and is often placed after either volume/wah, or in the same placement before one or the other, or after everything besides pre-amps, amp modeling, and timed effects, depending on its desired purpose- as it is modulating the volume/amplitude of a signal and not its overall tone/frequencies.
A last example of a somewhat rarely used effect is ring modulation and oscillators. These tend to produce colorful and often wild sonic effects especially depending on placement. Ring modulation produces counter frequencies and overtones to the notes being played, making metallic and oft-described 'bit crushing' tones to the signal in question. Most bit-crushers/ring modulators allow you to control the dry-to-wet ratio/blend of the signal being fed out of them.
Oscillators are rare as stand-alone devices, and are often incorporated to the pallet of some ring-mods and often more fuzz pedals, generating a constant set tone that is blended with the signal of the guitar, and sometimes controlable via the guitars built-in volume and tone controls.
Oscillators of this type need to be placed first in the chain to function properly as any effects running into them will modulate their bias/pitch instead of the guitar. Ring modulators usually as well should find their placement early in the chain, but are much more variable in coloring the sound, so experimentation may be necessary. Even some examples of fuzz like the octavia and tone machine ring modulate the signal in certain ranges of pitch and tonal charicter.
In the case of fuzz, ring modulation, and oscillators, as well as emulator pedals we have not yet mentioned (that are meant to modify the guitars signal to sound like another instrument), these pedals should be placed almost always after utility or volume/wah/tremolo. This is because these pedals in all actuality change the signal in such a way that it is no longer truly even the sound of a guitar. Even the earlist of fuzz boxes were meant or marketed to change to tone so drastically as to be more emulative of horns or bowed string instruments. Overdrive and distortion are meant to carry and boost the sound of an amps pre and power section, and all other effects to modify a guitar signal or output, so logically come later in the chain. Anything that fundamentally is changing the amplified acoustic signal into something that sounds unlike a guitar, or produces a particular fundamental waveform (I.E. square, sawtooth) like a fuzz will need to come very early in the chain, and almost always first after either utility or volume/compression.
Oh, and loopers...
Either last in the chain or it's a whole new can of worms!
Pardon the diatribes, but I hope the someone can find them helpfull!
Thank you again to CS Guitars for making this vid. Any commentary or correspondence to this comment is most welcome.
Cheers- Jbird
This is excellent way of explaining in a concise way and getting across the main points. Explains enough get a decent understanding and covers all the basics, leaves scope for experimentation, and people can explore more sourcws if they want more detial/depth
One of the best explanations. Oh and I was supposed to set up my board at lunch. Perfect timing. Thanks.
1. You've already made secret to setting up your effects, which this basically is
2. Victory Kraken
A good example of wah after dirt is Maggot Brain by Funkadelic. Eddie Hazel was a genius.
Hendrix played his wah-wah before dirt, this is where I like it.
Dude this was so awesome. You come off super nice and informative. Best pedal video out there.
Very short and informative video. I like your style! Thanks mate!
I've always put my Volume pedal at the end of the chain. I want to control the volume of my finished sound, not change the gain or level hitting the front of the amp.
Rusty Gill A volume pedal is especially useful in the FX loop of an amp without a master volume.
Rusty Gill I alway have mine after my gains but before my mods
Rusty Gill I do as well. My Ernie Ball feels like I have a wider range in-between the two. What volume pedal do you use?
Putting the vol ped after everything don't work for me. Mostly if I'm using timebase effects. The effecrs will not continue to spread as it should if you turn all the way to zero the vol peds since the timebase effects are being affected by the volume peds. It will become abrupt to listen for me. I like it to put before the timebase effect so that my delays will continue to spread until it slowly gone even if I already turned the volume down.
I agree with this... the main purpose of a volume pedal is to control your overall volume at any given time.. if you put it at the end of the chain.. you control the overall volume of everything and it stays consistent. If you put it at the beginning as suggested, you run into an array of issues... especially if you use compression or limiters.
Colin! I bought the MxR carbon copy and im loving it. This video is exactly what i need now thx
how good is the carbon copy aye - easily my favourite pedal
Best sounding analog delay in my opinion. The only thing I'd suggest to improve it is add tap tempo, but it's a gorgeous sounding delay.
Excellent video, just what I was looking for!
Good stuff man, I didn't know the positioning effected fuzz tones so much, my Big Muff does indeed sound better first in the chain. Thank you!
eq in the loop takes amps from sounding like 100 soldiers marching to 1000 soldiers marching. unbelievably aggressive sounding
Been binging CS vids all day! 🎸🙏
Crucial video. Thanks for the explanations 🤘🏽
"Aural Chaos" would be a great name for a late 80s- style metal band.
Hello Colin,
You didn't mention compressors and where they should be on the pedalboard. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Also you didn't mention chorus pedal, I usually put this last to widen the whole sound. Is this the right application?
Compressor is another of those pedals that does different things depending on where you put it, like EQ. Generally it would go after distortion/overdrive, to keep the distortion dynamics (i.e. clean up while playing softly) while still compressing and getting rid of weird volume uneveness, but I've seen it placed right before to good effect, as well.
Chorus goes with the other modulation pedals.
+Tallica 81 chorus is a modulation effect, it follows the same rules as other modulations: usually after distortion, but before time effects.
Everson Bernardes I like my compressor before my dirt pedals.
mezsh as I said, I've seen it done like that, as well - if you want a very consistent, even distorted sound, that's the way to go.
Sir, I would like to thank you. All of your videos, you do a fantastic job of explaining things beautifully. You give your opinions but also explain why it may or may not be the "popular" choice, are not a self absorbed ass about your opinion. We need more people like you, a true professional!! Cheers!!
Bloody fantastic. This is the most to the put pedal how-to I've found. Thanks!
Guitar>tuner>pitch>distortion>gate>solid state amp
FX loop: flanger>phaser>reverb>delay
So if I were to use a Metalzone with an EQ to scoop the mids out, would I put the metalzone or the eq first in the chain?
Also will my amp affect it? I'm using a Line 6 Spider.
Daniel Brown Oh no
Hey, you should consider to put the EQ after the Metalzone in order to cut the mids because that way you can say that the metalzone is in f(x) of the EQ. About the amp, it depends whether you want to use its effects or not, so if you only want to hear the metalzone effect, then use the clean channel of your amp.
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Considering I am using a line 6 spider myself with a distortion pedal, I'd say eq after to really get that guzzly tone.
this is just the channel ive been looking for, answers my biggest questions
Colin - I really appreciate your videos! I'm not-so-much a player as I am an engineer/producer, so these types of content videos are invaluable. If anyone works in music production, they need to know these things. Thank you, sir.
You should make a "And then there's fuzz" merch!
Wo fat
#ColinExplains < could be a series title????? .... but aside from that. i found this video extremely helpful. 100/10 "excellent hair"
Brilliant discussion of delay and reverb placement!
Excellent video, clear, concise, informative. Thankyou.
I usually put the volume pedal after the distortions, that way the full signal of the guitar hits the distortions, so in other words I like having a set distortion setting even if I turn down the volume.
If you do it before distortion, couldn't you then use it to control the level of distortion?
I've never heard about setting up your delay and reverb in that order. Your reasoning sounds interesting, though, I might give it a try.
I'm taking notes as I watch this. My notes are:
*Delay first for rhythmic delay
*Reverb first for atmospheric delay
Your channel has great info and is quick and to the point. Great content.
Super handy I switched the location of my octave fuzz pedal based on this video. Fricking rad!!!! Thanks!
He just said layers in a Scotty accent...Shrek confirmed
Great video! Very informative
Best presentation and explanation of this topic I've come across - better than the guitar magazines.
"Lush swirls to your echo's" sounds pretty funky to me would be a cool sound imo, but yeah obviously logically echo after mods n OD
+All Kinds it's a good sound to play about with. Perhaps not the most practical, but it can produce cool results.
Some delays have built in modulation that only affects the repeats, not the rest of the signal. Those are goals.
VX Kraken! new amp Colin?
Very clear explanation , many thanks.
Nice concise talk. Good calls and caveats, Colin!
Execute order 66
clf400 It will be done, milord!
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great info and very clearly presented. Thanks so much!
The best explaination I've found on the subject, thank you!
Tuner, TalkBox, Compressor, Wah, Boost, Overdrive, Distortion, Harmonizer, Chorus, Noise Gate, Trem, Reverb, Delay.
That's all in front of the amp. my amp has a two built in drive channels so I'm really not sure what to put in the effects loop and what to omit.
Lakoda Beebout
if you want to use your amps overdrive, you should put your reverb and delay in the effect loop
Lakoda Beebout Basically, anything you have before distortion goes in front of your amp, anything after distortion goes in the loop. The effects loop is between the preamp and power amp, so think of your preamp stage as a distortion pedal.
Compresors????
In my opinion I would set them as Volume, after the utility pedals. The same as Filterpedals.
wow! that does work! Thanks Colin.
Very helpful. Thanks! Especially your tips about where to consider placing the EQ.
Was that last bit your impersonation of a fuzz in a less than ideal part of the signal chain?
Tip for people playing shoegaze: Do everything the complete opposite and your good to go
finally, a brief, informative and non baffling video on the subject for a newbie to follow. Nice one matey
Awesome! Thanks for this incredibly helpful info. I didn't know any of this mattered for sound!
Can anyone tell me where an Acoustic Simulator falls in ? like category wise ?
Also Noise Suppressors and where would I place these two pedals
After Utility pedals, but before everything else, you want a nice clean signal going in to the Acoustic Simulator, especially if it splits off to a DI or Acoustic Amp
Same spot as the pitch shifting pedals.
Metal muff demo???
TheLukster100 ALL THE GAIN!
ALL THE GAIN!
METAL MUFF!
NO MIDS!
MORE GAIN!
SLAYERRRRR!!!!!!!
ALL THE GAIN!!!!!!!!
it sounds more crisp than metal zone
Good as always!
Setting up my first board this week and this helped a ton. Spanks!
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!
in which order do i plug my diddey into my girlfriend to stop the weird laughing sound?
Pretty new around here but man, I am LOVING this channel. Great, practical, basic but still detailed info on a potentially very ambiguous topic. Well-done! Only missed compressors though...
thanks man very informative and good edition
Loop pedal?
Cal end of the chain , so it can catch all the fx before
Yeah bro put your looper dead last. If you have it earlier you will find (for example) that if you loop something clean with a bit of delay, then bypass the delay and record a distorted loop over the top, It will distort the entire first loop..
Always put it last so your loops stay how you want..
You're the guy Lisa fell in love with in the Simpsons movie
I've watched this video so many times when getting new pedals. Cheers guy!
Thanks man love your videos
Has anyone told you you look so much like Chad Channings (ex drummer from nirvana)
+Suhail Couto
Oh wow! I never noticed that! Now I love Colin even more!!!! 💜 Thanks for pointing that out!
Big time wow!!!
super helpful video, straight to the point . thanks mate
I really like you logical approach to all things music. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge
I've been watching for a long time, and I have to say it's been awesome watching you perfect your place in the YT gear community. Very educational & you humor is fresh and hilarious. Good show man. Scotland forever! Cheers!
P.S. Please demo the Orange Crush 120 Pro! Thanks mate.
Another excellent video-explanation... I like this guy!
Your videos are amazing, just discovered and subbed
oh my gosh thank you Thor for feeding me with this golden knowledge. I've been lost on how to start my journey on pedals.
Thanks man, this video really helped me out, I've had a lot of trouble setting up my pedal board but now I know
Thank you so much, I'm trying to build up my pedalboard and was having trouble figuring out where to start, so this was incredibly helpful
Great discussion!
Thanx for the tips. Good info.
Very good.well explained & to the point without going on too much like some of these videos do
great synthesis! furthermore by adjusting CZcams speed to 75% I was really able to understand everything CSGuitars was explaining. ;)
Thank you for explaining clearly
I think you’re close enough to work with! Thank you for your help!
VERY helpfull!! Thank you!
Thanks Colin! I have to watch this video everytime I buy a new pedal.
Thanks, this info will be extremely useful when I start building my pedal board.
Great vid, thanks a lot
I took the advice in this video and it turned out great! Thanks for the good video.
Finally someone explains it in a way that makes sense to me. Thank you.