The Game-Changing Old World FAQ by Games Workshop: Day One Upgrades!
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ERRORS AND OMISSIONS:
Biannual is indeed twice a year. BIENNIEL IS ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS. Because English.
You have to make "contact" with a pursued unit in order to hack it to bits. So being able to place a pursuing unit is indeed important.
Currently my favourite podcast to listen to while painting, and as a testiment to your enthusiasm for the game I'm already way over 2500 points painted!
Yep i've been working on the last of the Skaven half of my old Island of Blood 8th ed. starter box. Did the high elves last Winter. I have the new Bretonnian starter box sitting in my closet, which is up next. This channel gets me motivated, love you guys!
Man! That's awesome! Congrats!
Regular and relevant rules clarifications... with a seasoning of designer spice
I'm in love
In the French BTB, the "Strike last" rule states that the unit has an Initiative 10. :D
There are TONS of incorrect copy/pastes and spelling mistakes and even phrases that make no sense in non-english rulebooks.
The funniest one is at one point, they want to say "if you want" (si vous voulez) and they wrote "if you ovulate" (si vous ovulez).
english speakers and the french language.... an ongoing war of agression
RE: The point about Armourbane (X) stacking with Killing Blow on 6s to wound- Remember that KB ignores armour and regen on a 6 to wound- so armourbane becomes irrelevant.
Keep up the great content guys!
The reason why having both may be desirable is if the thing your hitting is immune to killing blow (monster for example).
In the case of hitting something that isn't affected by KB, it just wouldn't come into play. It has no effect, so Armor Bane would kick in as something that does.
Yes- except against troop types which are not affected by Killing blow, in this case armorbane (x) can be useful still.
Great Show! I got a big list of FAQ questions:
What is the order of operations on leadership substitutions? If something in a unit gives a general in the unit a modifier to its leadership does that apply before or after it is used for inspiring presence. And then is the modifier on a unit that is recovering inspiring presence applied before or after.
When is the first round of combat? If a unit charges a unit that FBIGO is that a first round of combat? When is a unit charging? Are charging and first round of combat divorced from each other?
Can initiative go above 10?
Does a "drilled" unit get to reform before charging?
If an impetuous unit cannot complete a charge, say because a unit of friendly skirmishers is in front of it, or because it is in march column does it have to declare a charge?
Gentlemen, respect!
I'm listening to Your videos at work, and just cannot get enough. Been a event player between 6th to 8th ed. You ignited my flame for the game again, and became my top 1 fav channel.
Now... I work 10h a day... I NEED MORE!! 😅
Btw, waiting for a big event later down the line in the UK so we can meet up!
It's been a while since I haven't felt like I've lost something after an FAQ
No changes to the rulebook (making it like coarse toilet paper day one)
All really good clarifications
A little bit of cheeky humour
This is the best FAQ in recent memory..shit.. it has me praising GW... I need a DRINK!
We felt uncomfortable as well, but if we didn't, that wouldn't be very #squarebassed
A historical guy showed me how they do hills by putting uneven insulation foam underneath the cloth they play on. I am now on team hill
Yes. #Justiceforhills
Wow, those were some great questions answered. Now I just need the weather to get better here so I can get my books delivered, heh. This is the perfect time to get stuck in reading some Old World now.
That assailment spells in a challenge thing sounds ace, High Elf Dragon Prince challenges my Tzeentch Sorcerer, he turns to the elf mutters "I think not..." Clicks his fingers and the Elf bursts into flames or whatever.
Dragon Prince that's currently on fire: "Y-you coward! Using magic in an honorable duel"
"Lol" says the Tzeentch Sorcerer "Lmao"
Except that Dragon princes are famously fire resistant. Working with dragons and all that...
These thumbnails are getting progressively more CZcamssque and im here for it.
As the numbers go up so do the faces
Frog on a Dragon confirmed! Loving the dedication to the corrections in the comments, especially for not slowing you guys down in the flow. The FAQ was a fantasic document and I don't feel like I'd have understood all the implications, thanks guys!
I love that some of the answers were funny. As a brand new player this was very informative. I can’t wait to forget it all when I go to play my first real game.
Everyone should throw their old hills away and make new ones that are about 25% bigger so that the same units can still fit on them.
I personally love the Overrun clarification just because it gives units with Frenzy a way to actually not get instantly put out of combat for like, 2 turns
Edit: To put my 2 cents into the whole Character/General Leadership vs Unit's Leadership, in the older version I played there used to be a big difference. For example, Stubborn (which let a unit make break checks ignoring any penalties). If your unit had stubborn but your General/Character didn't then you had to make a choice between using the Character/General's higher Leadership that would then get modified or the unit's lower Leadership that couldn't be modified. This came up a lot for me back in the day because Greatswords were Stubborn but Elector Counts weren't so you had to choose the modifiable vs non modifiable one.
Edit2: Something that's been bouncing back and forth between me and my friends is whether the Wizarding Hat allows you to select a school of magic normally not allowed to the character. e.g. an Orc Weirdboy puts the hat on and starts using necromancy (ignoring that this literally happened in the lore.) I'm of the mind that yes, you can choose any lore because that's literally what it says. Their counter is that Army rules override Game rules and since the character has a list of allowable spell lores they cannot do it.
Awesome job on reading the FAQ you both made it fun to listen to.
I'm glad GW can have a laugh and joke with us all when they answer some of the questions.
Thank you for the work you both put into this for us all.
Less of the hill hate Rob. 😂 12:00 90s Warhammer Fantasy was full of hills. I can make you some hills for the arena. #justiceforhills.
#justiceforhills!
Great video and thank you for the content you are making. It feels like we are on the edge of a cliff looking out at something old that is at the same time new and wondrous.
It's lovely
My rules question: does drilled give you a free redress the ranks maneuver for any move, or just moves during the movement phase? Most importantly, can you redress the ranks before performing a charge move? They specifically call out that you can declare a charge while in march formation, you just cannot make a charge move: does the drilled special rule allow you to charge out of march formation by redressing to a combat order?
Kings of War has a rule disallowing hills in deployment and I can't stress enough just how good it is for the rank & flank games to not have a damn defended hill filled up to the brim by empire/dwarves/skaven/elves.... Make tables with no hills in deployment and see how much better the game is!
Love the wizard challenge rule.
This has to be the best FAQ they have done.
It's to the point, covers a lot of heavily asked questions and has a nice bit of spice to it 😂
Like actually questions answered
I'll die on that hill, hill, with you Rob.
Appreciate you x
#justiceforhills.
Loving the vids coming hard and fast as the stuff comes out, good work gents
Fab video, really enjoyed it and very much appreciate your enthusiasm for the Old World. Particularly endorse your views on friendly competitive gameplay!
I haven't really anything different to add to what everyone has already said here. This game's release has me incredibly hyped after a time where I was wondering whether I'd be hobbying or wargaming ever again. There's loads of great content that I'm digging into but Square Based has just been so damn good! Your enthusiasm is infectious and knowledge insightful, helping me no end in getting motivated and, moreover, organised. Thank you both for all the hard work.
p.s there's a joke here about also enjoying it when Val inserted himself, but I think I'll leave such things for live chat.
Or will I?
Great video. From the FAQ we know that a Cannon does not hit a Lone Characters if it is within 3" of a unit made up of 5+ models in ranks and files, excluding exceptions. Nowi have a question:
The Cannon Rule says that it is not forced to TARGET a model or unit, does not use Templates and automatically HITS all models under its ricochet.
A character joined to a unit of 5+ models in ranks and files, the rules say, CANNOT BE HIT, unless he is the TARGET of an attack that directly TARGETS a model within the unit, if he is positioned under a TEMPLATE, or if joined to a unit with fewer than 5+ models in ranks and files.
If the Character in question is under the ricochet of the cannon, how should we behave?
He must perform a Look Out Sir!, he completely ignores the Cannon Shot as per RAW (and also according to the spirit of the game rules), or he is automatically hit and cannot even do the Look Out Sir! ?
Can't get enough of this show at the moment, your enthusiasm for the game is infectious and just a good wholesome time
Loving the channel guys - you are really helping to clarify the game as well as building hype! Hope the community you are trying to build takes off.
Some questions I can't see a definitive answer to (Note that I am aware there are "spirit of the rules" answers to most of them, but clarity would be better):
1. Can a cannon aim somewhere that risks hitting friendly models or models engaged in combat?
2. Models that FBIGO can reform to completely change their facing and formation if they want to? I suspect the intent was for everyone to just do a longer Give Ground but rules as written FBIGO gives you a free reform...
3. Models that started in a position to make a supporting attack that "step forward" due to casualties can still make their supporting attack, right?
4. Formed Units Charging Skirmishers: What exactly is meant by "move as directly as possible"? The example image 186.3 apppears to show the unit *not* doing that.
4. Shooting at Large Targets, every rank or just two ranks?
5. Magic Vortex. Move every player turn or just controlling play?
6. Pillar of Fire. Block line of sight? Grant cover?
7. Drilled. Redress after declaring a charge but before conducting the "charge move"?
8. Swiftstride a "may" ability? I can choose to charge, pursue, or flee less if circumstances would advantage me to?
9. Mace of Helsturm + Spectral Doppelganger, yes or no?
10. Flails, Hatred, and other "first round" effects after pursuing into an enemy that you just made FBIGO? Yes or no?
11. Warband gives bonus LD against Stupidity?
12. Unit A overruns into unit B. Before that combat is fought Unit C charges unit A. Unit A gets initiative bonus for attacks against unit C? If unit A was hammerers or had the Shieldwall rule could they trigger their "was charged" rules?
13. Please errata the Fighting Ranks rule.
14. How many shooting attacks on a split profile? Rider shoot a bow, use a bound spell, cast a regular spell, and have their dragon breathe fire in the same phase?
15. Buff Spells that need arc or line of sight: can they target self?
16. Sisters of Thorn: choose the *Lore* and then randomise or just literally choose the *spell* they want?
17. Arcane items that refer to "instead of dispelling" need the bearer to be in range to do a Wizardly Dispel to be used at all?
Oh that's a fun stack of Q's!
Question: If a Hill is on another Hill, can you see another Hill if trees are on the Hill?
I love the 44x30 and 44x60 WAY more than the 48x72 or 48X48. Games are faster and you get stuck in quicker. I'm happy they are giving us the option to use both ❤️.
Thank you for your coverage of the sport!😊
The FAQ reminds me of 5th ed fantasy with the tongue in check responses
there should be a faq regarding the Scrollof Transmogrification, that cannot affect THE SLANN, because he's already a frog
I want to say a big thanks to you guys for this podcast, I narrowly missed out on the original WHFB and only really got 2 or so games in before AoS dropped. Your videos have helped hype me up and keep me informed for a second chance to get into the true warhammer, listening while I build my Perry Miniatures as Empire
Gotta love that intro. Best in the biz!
Great FAQ and great discussions about it!
I'm *so* impressed with the quality and thouroughness of this FAQ as mainly a 40k player. It even has a little personality injected!
40k FAQs mostly come in this format:
"Q: Paraphrased two-part question somewhat adequately describing a very complicated interaction?
A: Yes."
Whereas this FAQ reads like actual questions asked and answered by real, actual people.
Yeah everything about the development of Old World comes off as some really passionate designers getting some leeway to run a game system the way they want. I'm surprised by with what they've produced so far.
If you transmogrify into the frog on a dragon in official GW tournament play will you be required to have a sufficiently representative model?
34:40 This was REALLY important for Bretonians armies in 6th edition, where the characters equipped with a lance MUST use the lance in the first round of combat when they charged, then, in ongoing turns, (if they didnt break the enemy), they should use the magic weapon.
This maybe / maybe not could be a nerf to bretonian characters charging, cause I think they only have ONE magical lance in their army list, and lances are more impactful charging than most 1handed 40-50 points magical weapons.
As usual, you guys are legit the best podcast around for square based hype!
For the "Does a unit get run down if for some reason you can't complete the pursuit move", I think you guys are wrong on that one. On pg 157 "Catching the Curs!" It says if you made contact with the fleeing unit. I think that still holds - if you can't catch a unit by physically getting to them, you can't hack them apart. You're considering to have made a move, but not necessarily caught them.
Oo also - for the Veteran/Leadership test thing - think of the Arise! rule with TKs. The model takes a lead test using their own leadership - this is asking if the lead test for Arise! is affected by Veteran from the unit when the character doesn't have the rule. (Answer: No). I know the person who asked this one, so I know the situation that brought it up!
Start my lunch break and see a new upload. Perfect timing.
So so great boys. Hoping to play my first game with a couple of mates on Friday but our rulebooks are delayed! Thanks for the great stuff as always
Great looking FAQ, not entirely surprised based on who is involved, SDS have mostly great form for these in MESBG as well. Wonder if they will be twice a year like the MESBG one as well.
From reading the FAQ, I got excited about making a goblin general with two hats, but the example given is not possible - bedazzling helm + wizarding hat is 105 points... 😢 I iz now da saddest gobbo
Someone, please model a frog wearing a hat on a helmet and riding on a dragon.
Some great clarifications and some excellent little bits of entertainment written in there.
Another great show.
On the Cannon hitting characters... Surely It means you cant hit a character with the slide, but with the initial hit?
So the important thing to take away from this is that hills matter and every table should have at least three.
The boys hate my pretty mounds of dirt and grass.... in all honestly fair, but my geognard brain longs for verticality
Yes. #justiceforhills.
Keep the videos coming, this has quickly become my favourite CZcams Channel, I have a burgeoning man crush on Val
28:44 Veteran is a leadership re-roll, no? So the answer is saying a character without Veteran can't use a re-roll for leadership for a special rule that the Unit would normally be entitled to, is how I read that.
Thoughts on that weapon change after Give Ground / FBIGO rule and how it affects lances?
It says in the fluffy bit at the end about discarding lances, but the lance rule specifies you can use them in any combat you count as having charged - not just first round of combat.
Then FBIGO says if you catch them you count as charging. And then the FAQ is grouping FBIGO and Give Ground…
So I take it that it just means if the enemy gives ground you can still switch from lance to sword, but if they FBIGO you *could* technically switch to lance if you want, but they still work anyway because you count as charging?
This one is going to need another FAQ. Both readings are possible and both are supported by different rules. I think it’s pretty unclear right now whether you can pursue FBIGO with lances again or have to switch to swords. Their mistake might have been grouping GG and FBIGO but hopefully they clarify this before we play with brets wrong for 6 months!
@@SanFranSicko Yeah indeed! My take is that you can use them again for FBIGO, but the wording is definitely confusing.
Comment for the algorithm! Keep up the good work. Love the vids.
Keep it up lads,its keeping me hype
So much anger about hills!!! It’s simple enough 🤷♂️
It's my hill to overcome
Yes. #justiceforhills.
Looks like spell lore must be written into your muster list BTB Pg 319. Unfortunate, as I was looking to have flexibility with my Slann in an event.
That’s tonight sorted while I build more Brets! Hope to get to one of your events soon. Will you be releasing a VOD of the stream from today on this channel?
Great content!
Needs some outro music/dancing….ends abruptly. Great job though gents! Love the content.
Great that you cant snipe characters with cannons anymore
when taking DT test, at what point exactly during the unit's movement do you take the test? this could matter if the unit panics for BSB range.
Amazing as always guys. No vanguard after scout moving makes my way watchers sad
I'd like to know how ridden monsters vs. challenging infantry are resolved. I know you can only score up to five wounds in overkill, but in the event that the challenging infantry model dies too attacks from the rider or the monster and they rack up the total wounds, what happens to the stomps? do they go into the unit, or are they all directed at the corpse of the challenger? and also, if the challenger dies, does the unit get to slap up the ridden monster?
I'd love them to tell me how random movers work. Can I loop around to the back of a unit and make contact with their rear even though I started in their front? What happens when they move at weird times (like coming on as ambushers, or with Arcane Urgency) - can they engage enemy units with those moves?
Not got the books yet, this is a suspicion but - armour bane from Asrai Longbow and poison from Hagbane tips will make hagbanes tips not worth the 2pts to most players. Swiftshivers and arcane bodkins will get a ressurgance.
Square based keeping me honest on my cardio with this upload frequency
I believe you misunderstood the general principles point since you mentioned monsters but i believe all this point allows is a marching column of 1 wide and does not affect a lone model otherwise this would contradict the definition of a unit in close order on pg 100. ("A unit in close order consists of two or more models that are arranged in base to base, edge to edge and front corner to front corner") which is why i wish there was a bit more in this faq for single models since I'm still a little unsure what formation these would be in.
Lumbering models (monsters and heavy chariots) specifically benefit from the Close Order rules, despite being too small to be in Close Order formation
hopefully something for the grand armies soon, 2" move on High elf phoenix skycutters and Eagles is amusing and all but I need the real number lol.
They have fly (10) however if you make a eagle walk pulling a giant sled then it only moves 2" per turn. :)
@@Zenfoxgames That's what I get for reading the lists before coffee. 😆
Question: if i am in a challange, killed the other character and have a mount with stomp attacks, can i put the stomp attack in the unit ? I am quite sure i can when i am fighting a character, cause stomp attacks can just go on characters if there are less than 5 models in the unit, but what about fighting a champion ?
I absolutely love your content!
Can I be selfish and ask a question, as my rulebook has been delayed?
Can Skink Skirmishers block line of sight from Ripperdactyls so that they don't have to test for impetuous?
We are struggling with the Lance...can the opponent attack back with 2 attacks on their whole fighting rank...and how do Lances allocate attacks on chatacters?
You two are so cute with your alternate line reading :) x
This is why I refuse to buy rules. I buy the models. I buy the paints. I buy the accessories. And yet I see codexes and battletomes of the past sitting on my shelf, useless. At least the (constantly updating) rules can remain free!
It's what I ( Rob ) say too. Buy models
Guys biannual means twice a year, biennial is once every two years ❤
Dear god I hope so
"'Biannual' and 'semiannual' both mean twice a year. 'Biennial' means every two years. 'Biweekly' meetings occur every two weeks. 'Semiweekly' meetings occur twice a week."
Stupid English!
So if you are pursuing a fleeing enemy and run into a different enemy unit on your path, are you then in combat with that new enemy unit?
Tomb Kings… can General’s Leadership be used by the Necrotect for his Eternal Taskmaster ability? I’m unsure as there is parentheses that states (using their own leadership), but does inspiring presence over ride this?
F***ing hills. Couldn't agree more with Rob.
It was unclear in the rules if you get an armour save for peril tests
Needs more sound effects...
😊
I'm confused about the magic items. Can a Wight Lord take Banner of the Barrows?
Am I reading too much into it? 🤔
It's 3 chickens and a cow amount of points.
Rob hater of hills confirmed. Great FAQ all the clarity
Like Referees, TOs should be held accountable for bad calls. Ive seen too much cronyism were store/TO besties get preferential calls.
Top episode as always gents
I would have liked to have something called out about the fighting rank. From what I understand (I may well be wrong) everybody in the 'fighting rank' gets to make an attack even if not in base to base. What's to stop me having a unit 60 wide and therefore getting 60 attacks? If the fighting rank includes the guys in the second rank wielding spears and I'm 60 wide and 2 deep do I get 120 attacks? You get what I'm putting down I'm sure.
As I don't have a copy of the rule book in front of me and I'm basing this off videos of people discussing the rules I may well be completely wrong about this.
You can. However deploying around terrain would be tricky. And the whole enemy army would be able to charge you at once. Also, although rear ranks can wheel through units, the front rank cant so it would be difficult to move
The Hiill discussion is due to 8th having very simplified and shitty terrain and LOS rules vs 7th and 6th and they are now going back to 7th style terrain and LOS rules
"The wearer of the Wizarding Hat is not actually a Wizard" so technically they can't cast or dispel spells? :p
Gentlemen, thank you ❤
Does anyone know at what initiative spells are cast in the combat phase? if they happen first are wizards Challenge bad asses?
They happen at the casting wizard's initiative step
I’m pretty sure the gods of old had intended Warhammer fantasy to be played only on a 8x4 😎
Hi guys. I think you missinterpret the purpose of the question in regards to Maximum possible charge range. There has been confusion when applying this with swiftstride, where you add 3" to the maximum possible charge range and add a D6 to the move. Some players have played it as such; i.e a swiftride unit with move 7 would have a maximum range of 16" (7M+6+3) while rolling, if they roll above 16 they have reduced the number to 16, while other have played it as rolled, ie. 18 (the maximum of 3D6). This clearifies that :)
Best regards
pssst... try 16!! ;)
@@guyincognito959 haha yes, thanks :)
Slightly sad it doesn’t have the old world styling and layout in terms of nice ye’olde graphical background. Personally makes it harder to read. Big pages of black text on white backgrounds makes my brain shut down. Thanks for the video though as now I don’t have to read 😂❤
It makes it much easier to read if you print it out though.
I was hoping to see a clarification on wether or not the model behind behind a frontline model that is killed can still make a supporting attack. The model behind a frontline model that has been killed has to step up and therefore can't make supporting attacks per "Stepping Forward" on pg 146. However on pg 150 under "Excess Casualties" it says that casualties beyond those in the front rank reduce supporting attacks. That statement is unneeded if they already couldn't attack.
What do you guys think?
A model stepping into the supporting rank are only restricted in making supporting attacks by the rules in the Excess Casualties rules. Someone who steps into the supporting rank is able to attack unless the fighting rank was afflicted with more casualties than it has models
@@jessepigram1039 I tend to agree with you but where does it say that in the rules?
@@benjaminboyle7329 I don't think there's any place in the rules that explicitly states "guys stepping into the second rank can still support", but the rules allow certain models to fight from the second rank, with the only rules stopping them being those under Excess Casualties. You could maybe argue it's rules by inference, but it's the only possibility I can see
@@jessepigram1039 I think I understand your point now. I was missing that the wording on not being able fight after stepping up explicitly applies only to those stepping up into the fighting rank. Thanks very much. 🙂
Going to have to play with square terraces.
Lets FAQin go gang
I didn't know Dane Cook played WHF!
#squarebasssed
Also, tournament pack looks great guys
assailment spell in a challenge. who gets hit?? FAQ for template says challengee gets hit but most assailment spells don’t use a template.
I know this is a 5-6 month old video, but I have a very important question for Val.
You mention when you talked about the size of the gaming table that 4'x6' is the size as God intended.
But you never said which of all the gods, there are several in Warhammer, or should it be understood that you mean all the gods?
They actually struck a committee and subsequently they've also determined that 6x4 is what they intended as well