Garmin Epix Pro vs Forerunner 965 - 10 Deciding Factors!
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00:00 - Intro / Overview
01:03 - Pricing
01:43 - Size Options
02:33 - Build Quality
04:54 - Weight
05:58 - Screen Size / Body Ratio
07:26 - Battery Life
08:55 - Heart Rate Sensor
10:05 - Additional Metrics
10:56 - User Interface Quirks / Mapping
12:29 - Flashlight!
13:36 - Final Thoughts / Conclusion - Sport
The 965 being their flagship running watch should have been with sapphire glass. That's probably the only reason that's preventing me from buying it.
even if is not sapphire .... Garmin should put a flatter screen for easy sticking a tempered glass as protection ... bad Garmin marketing ......
Yeah but then why people will go for their expensive Epix series .... Best would be for both Garmin and the customer, is to combine the number of watch series to a few and reduce the top model prices ( Half price will be best ) that will help customer to select watch and enjoy great built and Garmin will sell more units .... If Garmin doesn't change them they will suffer the similar fate of Nokia !!!
It's just a time in a few years before companies like samsung will come up with all those features of the top model from Garmin and additionally provide the versatility of Wear OS and apps as well as best build !!!
@@nitinjain1605 I always add screen protection on watches/smartphones ... So sapphire is just a waste of money for me ... Samsung/Google and Apple has to come with very competitive fitness/health dedicated app and also alto stop releasing fancy and girlish watches ....
Do you understand that 1 it would increase sales and 2 probably take half the sales away from the epix
@@dnice362 the money will go to the same Company…
Awesome comparative as always. Thanks Dave, great analysis.
Nice little detail given about the usability of the maps on each watch and definitely worth mentioning. Navigation & map usability is key for me out in the mountains. Thanks for highlighting it.
I am just about to start watching this video. This is a question I have been deliberating with for months without making a decision. I’m looking forward to the conclusion. Also thanks for the great channel content.
The video we’ve been waiting for!!!
Great video Dave as always. I’m a FR 965 guy myself. Don’t find that one true overwhelming feature that would make me go to Epix. Maybe a future version but not yet. Solid comparison video though. #trustthesummit haha
Great comparison. No regrets here on the FR965, perfect watch and can’t ask for more expect a flash light apparently ;)
i recently got the epix pro 2 and another positive for the led light that i found this morning is you can set up different light actions for your activities. when im walking my dog at 4am its quite dark and i like to track the walking activity so i can have the led pulse in red while im on a walk. you can also set the mode for hte led on the activity to be after sunset and it will come on when its dark and not in the day
Yesterday I was watching your presidential trail video and was wondering which of the epix and fr965 you prefer, and here you are today! Also I think the non-pro epix would be a more relevant comparison, but no big deal I guess.
Very good comparison video with points that matter.
965 has Hill Score and Endurance score in prerelease beta currently.
I've had my 965 since April and love it. It's best value over all. For perspective the 51mm Epix Pro is about the cost of a 13in MacBook Pro. I just can't justify something that cost that much for my wrist.
Great comparison!
same. The price difference is unreal. Im just gonna buy the 965 and slap a $2 screen protector on it lmao
also, just as an FYI, the Epix series also has those newer function in pre-release beta....
Yeah, I mean for $300 you can get one heck of a flashlight😂
Been waiting for this.
Great video as usual Dave.
I went for the 965 after having the Fenix 6 sapphire. The size and form is better for me.........
Would love the flash light though.
Hey love the channel and the podcast. Would love to hear for podcast about the Apple Watch ultra
I own an Epix gen 2 Sapphire (not Pro) and i just love it. Its an EDC watch, for sports and any non sports activity. I wear it 24/7. Its a little expensive, but its elegant, durable, and totally worth it. BTW great video. Thumbs up!
Additionally: If you're clumsy (like me) and have a high risk of dropping your watch (like after showering) and attempting to catch it with your foot, the Epix (Pro) has a high chance of nicely bruising your foot 😂
Gotta learn that "soft catch" technique! lol
Watch out for falls if you have the Saphire version. That's because Saphire is scratch resistant, but at a cost, it's more brittle. So if you drop it and it hits something sharp, it could break.
Hi Dave, Thanks!
I return my Fenix 7 pro. I have a Fenix 7. The pro doesn’t seem to be better in heart rate tracking then even Venu 2.
LED Flash is amazing and most useful than I thought, I have a Fenix 7X and planning to get an Epix Pro Gen 2
I love it!
This was super helpful. Thank you. I plan to upgrade to the 965 from a 935. Epix Pro 51mm is not worth almost twice the price IMO
I am hiker and i still choose 965 its light ton of battery life, no problem with gps in mountains
Love when you' "compare Apples to Apples" between these two @5:30 :)
No regrets with my Epix Pro 51mm… but it is a head scratcher seeing basically the same watch for half the price 🤨 I abuse my watch so need the sapphire and love the flashlight, but other than that looks so similar
Damn i wanted the 965 before watching this! You for sure changed my mind 😂
Hey Dave, if you had to keep only one, which one would you choose? Not only from those two.
I returned the 965 for the Epix Pro 51mm Sapphire, because of the double battery life and more elegant classy look (also same 1.4 inch screen size). The 965 is incredible, but I am doing multiday hikes and for those the 965 wound not last. The 51mm with the Enduro battery is an amazing package. I also was not happy with the cheap strap the 965 comes with.
The weight though... The only thing that made me go for 965 ;S
Hello friend. all OK? Between the Garmin Epix Pro 51mm, Tactix 7 Amoled and FR965, which one would you go for?? Don't you think the Tactix is too big?
Weight is my decisive factor 🔥 FR965
Man, great video!
I have watched it ten times already and still can’t decide between the two. I even bought them both from Playbetter to test them in “real life.” I hope that I won’t keep them both! I’m not that rich!
I feel I share your thoughts, though. I like the build quality of the Epix, but I prefer the form factor of the FR. I should ask Garmin to make a Frankenstein watch with these two! 😜
(Great work, Dave!)
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@@ChaseTheSummit Awesome! Not that it matters, but in the end, I settled for the Epix. It's much more money, but the build quality represents a better investment. I know myself; I would go mental if I had a scratched watch. Plus, I would like this watch to last a few years; hence, let's go with the 51 mm tank. Thanks again for recommending Playbetter. They have been accommodating and understanding.
I wanted to buy 955 but then saw epic gen 2 on sale similar price... I have a big wrist but worried about the weight of the epix during run and when sleep
Went with the Fenix 7X Pro.
I've selected Forerunner 965, I have it for two months now and I am super happy bith battery, performance, and the general look of the watch.
Hello friend. all OK? Between the Garmin Epix Pro 51mm, Tactix 7 Amoled and FR965, which one would you go for?? Don't you think the Tactix is too big?
Well done video.
Great comparison video. To me the design language of the epix is a lot nicer than the 965.
Nothing short of a brilliant video. Enjoyable relaxing informative. You’re really good at this CZcams presentation. I’d love to start a channel but a bit shy:-)..
I love my FR965. Very clear and easy to see screen display compared to 955! 😛 I do own both tho...
Out of curiosity why would you have both watches?
I recently bought the 965 and I'm so happy with it. The pros and cons in mentioned in this video makes me even sure that this was a good choice. First off, the Epix Pro would be out of reach economically (as was the AW Ultra) but the advantages of getting more screen out of a lighter, smaller watch is key for me. I mainly use my Garmin for swimming (pool and open water) and the size and weight do matter more there than for running (or everyday use). Especially in the pool where I'm new to swimming with a watch (and tbh, I'd still rather not). The battery life is good enough for all of my endurance activities, I did a 17k swim one day and a 7+ hour hike the next and I was still at around 50 percent.
You swam 17km in a day??
@@craigholden3547 Yes, it was a race called Wörthersee Swim in an absolutely beautiful alp lake in Austria a couple of weeks ago, very nice swim (also nice to win it 😎✌). But that was not even the most crazy race, the day before I participated in 1000 meter butterfly, that was something!
How do you find the open water gps accuracy of the 965? I have the AW Ultra and it's terrible in terms of gps reliability in open water. When it works it does work well but sometimes it just ruins my gps tracks and gives me like twice the distance that I swam. Also with the Watch OS10 Apple ruined the swimming data, both open water and pool swim give wrong data on Watch OS10.
@@CanInelli I haven't used AW in open water myself, but generally it seems to be very good at GPS accuracy, like when DC Rainmaker is testing open water swim the AW and Garmins are usually the best. So it's surprising to hear your problems. Do you swim freestyle or breaststroke? I think any watch will have trouble with breaststroke since the watch i submerged all the time.
Anyway, as for my new Garmin 965 I have had very good results in open water so far. It seems very accurate. My previous watch was the Garmin FR 910XT and even though that model is old (from 2011!) it had very good GPS accuracy for freestyle, better than a lot of later models, it seems. But one thing it could not handle was butterfly in open water, the track got all messed up. But with the 965 even the butterfly got a more or less perfect track, so I'm very happy with it so far.
Thank you for the good video. I like FR965, and I wish it would have sapphire lens material and new heart rate monitor.
Sapphire would have been awesome. It would have made the decision easy for me.
I love my epix 2 pro 51mm! It looks amazing!
Indeed!
Hello friend. all OK? Between the Garmin Epix Pro 51mm, Tactix 7 Amoled and FR965, which one would you go for?? Don't you think the Tactix is too big?
Need a watch deciding between the Epix gen 2 pro and the 965 as my first running watch since i have just been using my phone to track my runs.
I like that silver bezel and the gold variant.
Hi Dave, thank you for the video! its really cool. I don't know whether you already discuss this, but have you make watch comparison based on the offline map quality and feature? I've seen you discuss about this feature on each watch but cannot find the specific feature comparison (or i missed it). I need a suggestion for a watch with offline maps and compass feature that work well on a location without cellular network. Thanks!
Now the ECG feature brought by gen 5 heart rate sensor is making a little more difference.
Weight and cost it's enough to definetly prefer the 965!
I just went for the 965 a few days ago over the Epix pro. Money wasn’t an issue. The reasons for my choice were weight/battery life. As a marathon runner I just felt that the weight and size of the unit was more ideal than the Epix pro. The battery life was an added bonus. I also signed up for the beta software and have the new features of the Epix pro. I got a matching titanium strap for when I'm not running and I just can't get over how good this watch is.
Any issues on the beta so far? Been thinking about jumping on but been hesitant as I have a few races in sep/oct, do you think the full release will be out by then?
No issues so far. No idea when the full version is out but other sources are saying it's basically the full version.
yeah，Epix pro feels more heavy, I chose 965
Are they fixed the gps map zoom to be with double tap or is sam as it was released?
@@mightyjoker3914would be my biggest question also :)
Would go for the Epix, as I also do trail run and MTB I feel it will last me better… currently I am using the Fenix Sapphire 6 and an Apple Ultra … use trainingpeaks to keep consistency with the exercises
Have my FR965 since April and one stupid mtb crash scratched my screen and the titanium bezel too - however I think of it as a piece of equipment for outdoor activity, so as long as it keeps working, I´m fine.
Still, I would support you in getting the saphire glass, it will forgive more abuse for sure.
Good Review! I think there is another deciding factor out there... Water sports! F965 doesn't come with these sports like surfing which Epix (Gen 2) models does.
This was added via firmware to the 965!
I have the Epix Pro 51 and love it. No regrets at all about choosing it over the 965. Weight doesn't bother me at all and battery life is amazing. I also have the AWU with cellular service which I wear on my left wrist while I wear the EP51 on my right. They complement each other very well and now I don't take my iPhone with me on any of my runs and other outdoor activities. I can still make/take phone calls and messages, play my Apple Music library and playlists, and use other general things with the AWU while getting all the activities data and metrics on the EP51. I also use the AWU with Stryd for another set of data. Super happy with this combo and not having to take the iPhone with me everywhere is a huge plus.
I can’t decide between 47mm and 51mm. What is your wrist size ? I am approx 175mm wrist so could go either way on the epix sizing
@@mikem4215 My wrist size is right around 170mm. I'm a small and slim guy and the watch chassis does cover the entire width of my wrist but it looks and feels fine. The brilliant large display and the battery life are worth the extra heft. I wear it 24x7 except for charging once every 10 days (I have it on always-on mode) and it doesn't bother me at all. It feels light for its size. It feels less dense than the AWU.
This is exactly the setup i’m considering. Do you ever tun to unfamiliar routes which the garmin can give you? That’s why in thinking to get the apple watch: music & phone on one wrist, and maps on the other. But for this scenario i’m not sure which one to actually log a workout on…
@@Seanonyoutube I have yet to use mapping on the Garmin as it's fairly new and I haven't ventured into unfamiliar areas. I'd feel more comfortable with the AWU at this point in time as I've had more time with it. Most of the time, I'm running in my neighborhood and through very familiar routes.
You can still log the workouts on the background on either watch. That's no problem at all. I often check on other things on the AWU while it's logging a workout. That's the edge that the AWU has over the Garmin - multitasking and being able to switch quickly between different apps that are running concurrently.
@@alexkhan2000 yeah. But even on apple watch, I find switching a bit annoying. I’d rather simultaneously be a to keep a map and my running stats visible. I feel like I’ll end up being a dual watch runner haha. But at least it will eliminate the need to bring my clunky phone!
Coming to this video a couple months late but it’s a great comparison thank you. Quick question though how has the white epics held up? Specifically the sides where the buttons are but also the band?
sapphire lens on 965 and it would be perfect, I've scratched mine a few weeks into owning it and my 5s fenix lasted 4 years with not even a hint of a mark on the glass.
I put a screen protector on my 955 Solar.
@@nowster screen protector won't stop hard scratches. it'll cut right through it.
What about screen protectors for the 965? Surely must be some options out there 🎉 Great reviews!
I've recently been using one of the "film" type of protectors from amazon since the display is curved. It doesn't look awesome but it works OK. I do wish it was sapphire though!
@@ChaseTheSummit Understood, thanks for sharing your perspectives 😊👌 The flashlight seems really handy as well, it even works as a bike lamp if you have the right mount for it 😎
Should mention that the 965 can only have a maximum of 6 data fields per page despite the biggest high PPI 1.4” screen. Even the 1.2” (and 1.3”) OLED screens on the Epix/Marq series can have up to 8. Deal breaker imo, but idk if this has been (or will be) updated since the 965 came out.
You are correct and I agree that it’s a silly limitation given that the 965 has a bigger screen than the Epix in the same 47mm case… why garmin?! I would have included that but like I said this video would get WAY too long if I included every single difference. Thanks for watching.
I’m having a hard time upgrading my old forerunner 935. I want the amoled watch but end of the day they all do much of the same thing. So conflicted.
965 has better price, larger screen pixel resolution, less weight and really the weight is everything for a runner.
If price is the deciding factor, you could still get the non pro Epix gen 2. Over here the 965 is 650 euro, while the cheapest Epix can be found for just under 700.
Yup
Indeed. I got my Epix 2 a month ago and I'm really happy with it. Especially with the latest beta firmware the software is basically the same.
I did contemplate getting the 965 for it's larger screen but ultimately went for build quality rather than screen size.
Hello Dave! Do you still think FenixS is the best of the size options for everyday use? Or the Bigger size has grown on you?
My opinion has changed over the years. I think the 47mm Forerunner 965 is my favorite size/weight watch right now. The 51mm Epix Pro or similar is "doable" bit it's a big watch on my 165mm circumference wrist! Of course, this is just my opinion so take that with a grain of salt!
I have an Epix Pro, and I have recently moved to a 965. I prefer the form factor and weight, although I do miss the flashlight!
Same! I love that little flashlight. I hope they add it in the next revision!
I've only just noticed that the Endurance Score and Hill Score glances came on the latest beta (16.12) for the FR955 too.
But was the map limitation fixed?
@@Seanonyoutube Do you mean for non Garmin maps? Yes, I believe they now work but they do cause the watch to misbehave.
@@nowster no i’m referring to the lack of ability to double tap to zoom in on a map which he points out in this vid
@@Seanonyoutube That's not there, no. You still have to select pan/zoom from the menu.
@@nowster is this lack annoying in use? Or is it easy to navigate without it?
Garmin can be well paid for high quality materials and sapphire glass. That's fine, and it's no different with regular watch manufacturers. Still, the price difference between the two watches is a bit too much.
Does Garmin or Apple have a more accurate GPS and heart rate sensor?
I have both and I like both.
Is the map limitations mentioned annoying on the 965?
I don’t use the 965 a whole lot for mapping. With that said, I have used the maps on the 965 for routing using a downloaded GPX route via Footpath app or Garmin connect app it works just fine with turn by turn direction
@@JordiRuns does the map orient so the arrow always stays pointing up, or does the map stay fixed meaning that the arrow sometimes points to the sides?
@@Seanonyoutube so I mainly run with the 965 and the arrow is typically pointing in the general direction I should be headed in and as you get closer to a turn, the UI presents an arrow with the turn direction and distance remaining to perform the indicated turn. All this is displayed in the standard data display window for running and it’s not necessary to be in the map display window. In the map window you get full mapping experience with the highlighted route you should take. It’s very useful and intuitive. Again, I don’t use mapping much since I run flat routes that I recognize or have ran in the past. Hope this answers your question
@@JordiRuns excellent thank you. I think I’ll invest in a 965 as I enjoy exploring new cities or trails or even new neighborhoods in my city by following routes and running to them and my apple watch doesn’t have this feature and footpath sucks on my apple watch so I guess I’ll be owning both haha.
Hi, I'm particularly interested in the mapping aspect of the 2 watches: are there any differences at all in details displayed on the map at the same zooms?
Detail is basically the same. The only real difference is some of the functionality is different (as mentioned in this video) largely they're very similar though.
My biggest issues with the 965 are 1) no sapphire glass and 2) no surf activity. 5 ATM is plenty of water proofing for water sports
I went with the Forerunner 965. I personally like that it’s lighter, weighs less, larger display and of course the lower price. I think the HR sensor demonstrates the reason not to spend more money on premium materials on a Garmin Pro watch. Plus most people that are interested in capturing better data use a HR monitor chest strap that also links to your other equipment.
The flashlight seems lame but maybe that’s just me. The forerunner has a flashlight mode if you need
Don't knock the flashlight until you try it lol. I thought it was silly when it was first announced and I find myself using it all the time. It's totally different than using the display of a watch as a "flashlight". The 965 is an awesome watch though!
@@ChaseTheSummit true, I had a zip up hoodie that had a small flashlight on the zipper. It was really nice and more useful than you might expect.
I really enjoyed your videos and yours is among my top 3 fitness-smartwatch CZcams sites. But I do wish to provide some FYI which is solely meant to be my opinion and informative to you. You often do watch comparisons and, invariably, when you do, you often show the watches with toally different screen faces [like very different time faces or performance metric face] when each of the watches you are comparing have either the identical watch face or comparable ones. It makes it difficult to compare the display on the watches and to put what you are saying about the differences in context. Also when AOD displays first came out, one or more of the watches in your comparison would not have AOD on, or would time out to quickly. Then you would have to tap or keep flicking the watch which is distracting. I noticed that other reviewers simply put in the longest display timeout at least while video recording. For this video, when you discuss the size differences in F965 vs Epix 2 pro, you mention the body diameter diameter differences without mentioning that these two watches have the same screen size - usually the most important feature. Yes, I do know that towards the end of the video you do discuss this in body-to-screen ratio but this topic should be placed or integrated into the size discussion. Thanks. I do watch just about every one of your videos.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. In this video I do in-fact have both displays set to their maximum time-out which is 15 seconds. Unfortunately AMOLED display watches don't get longer timeouts like other models. I think I do mention the screen size thing a couple times in this video but again... I always recommend folks check out the dedicated in-depth reviews for models discussed in these "quick comparison" type videos. Thanks for tuning in.
beta version 16.12 got endurance and hill score on fr 965
THX♥
Great video as always, Dave :)
But I have a question about suunto Vertical. Do you know anything about the update that should fix the lags when switching between widgets? Or when is that coming?
I will never understand why the IU between garmin devices have all these differences? Do the developers not talk?
It's very odd. I suspect they do some things to give slight advantages to the more expensive models but other things seem pointless.
Different product managers I guess 😅
My perfect watch: 965 w/cellular and wireless charging.
Add sapphire and we're golden!
I prefer Gorilla glass. BTW, way back, I had a VivoActive 3 Music with Gorilla glass and the "domed" glass. Never broke it or scratched it with heavy use. Thanks. @@ChaseTheSummit
Many thanks for great video. How accurate HR readings in 965 compare epic pro 2? I have Fenix 6x pro solar and HR readings are very bad
The 965 and Epix Pro both have newer heart rate sensors compared to the Fenix 6 series. Both are pretty decent in my testing but of course your mileage may vary!
Hi Dave! What is this Watch Face on your FR965? How did you set it up?
This is the default watchface I just customized it a bit with a different accent color and datafields for weekly distance, recovery time, VO2 Max, sunrise/sunset and battery life!
Just tried the 965 and returned it 3 days later. Build quality was the biggest deciding factor, slight Ui differences(watch faces), buttons on dial feel (tactile). The 965 does not feel rugged and is much more suited for runners, then hikers or ultra runners. I picked up the Epix Pro 47mm while on sale for $700.00. The addition of the flashlight, ecg functionality , newer sensor for heart rate and the more fluid UI experience is well worth the extra cost.
Same here…
Can’t find any sales on Garmin watches right now 😢
@@TheREALLibertyOrDeathThere’re a couple discounts I found floating around the Garmin subreddit. Optimity (phone app) has given 20% Garmin discounts for a while. Planet fitness gives Garmin discounts to its members too (10% for regular, 20% for black card members).
What about biking with the Epix Pro? Do you have to gesture to keep the display on? My experience with the 965 is that the display times out unless you tap it.
It would definitely dim. The Fenix or 955 would be worlds better. I wear an Epix on my wrist while bike commuting, works great and is a good match with the Varia radar. The watch is just black until a car comes.. then is easily seen.
I tried both, but kept the EPIX Pro 47mm because the plastic 965 with cartoonish watch faces is (to me) completely unsuitable for daily wear! And without all-day wear, the latest Garmin features (body battery, sleep tracking, recovery, training status, etc) are useless. For running only, the 965 certainly is a great watch, but ... for running only ... the 955 beats the 965 (because it has all the same features and superior outdoor visibility). Overall then I do not see the 965 as wise purchase because it's neither daily wearable nor the best run-only Garmin.
Thanks for sharing.
Agreed, I had both and the 965 looks like a toy in comparison.
You saying the MIP is MORE visible than the OLED??
Hi i am a gshock fan. I want to buy a smart watch for running, hunting and work (law enforcement). Would you suggest for first watch Amazfit trx ultra, garmin fenix 7x pro or epic pro gen 2 sapphire?
Garmin crossover
Surfer, Paddleboarder and other water sports the Epix was the only way to go!
I am trying to understand why the Forerunner 965 has a fresher, more fancy, modern screen display than the Epix watch. Maybe, metaphorically speaking, since I own an Epix, I am mentally biased by the "grass looks greener on the other side", or maybe not, but one thing is for sure - I want a screen replica of the 965 on the next Garmin's flagship release.
I think it’s by design. The Epix is the “tactical, utility, adventure” type of watch so they skip the fancy animations and colors and stick to a basic display that gives you the information you need. The forerunner is a bit more recreational/fun in terms of marketing. They are nearly identical in terms of function though!
Did Garmin add these navigation gestures for the 965?
just go for the Forerunner 965 you wont regret it if you do normal activities few times a week
Can you change screen dimming time? On your video it dims pretty quickly like after 3sec or so? Pretty annoying.
It’s customizable from 4 seconds to 15 seconds
I just got my epix pro yesterday. I’ve noticed that on the default watch face that the heart rate doesn’t refresh every second in the background like my forerunner 965 does. Is this normal??
If both were same price which would you pick??
Probably the 965 as I prefer the form factor but there are several advantages to the Epix Pro if you like the style, size and weight. Personal preference.
Great videos 🏆🏆🏆🏆, but just one feedback. It appears like your yelling like your talking to someone outdoors.
A good mic can help
My mic was $1000 USD so it’s probably my voice… i can’t fix that. 😬
@@ChaseTheSummit oh. Sorry for the comment. Keep up the excellent work and content 🏆🏆
Is Epix Pro showing ambient air temperature measured from the holes on right side between buttons, and still having same temperature widget than FR965 which measures from bottom = from skin?
The ambient air temperature sensors on these watches have always been out of whack. The only way they're accurate is if you strap the watch to a backpack or hang it from a tree. Otherwise your body temp plays a role in the recording. It would be cool to see them figure this out and somehow get the sensor on the face of the watch.
@@ChaseTheSummit FR955 has temp sensor against wrist (near strap) so it is giving skin temperature if not having very small arm and gap there. But seems also correspond to real water temp after being drowned a while
3m:17s you say that the back plate is also titanium, but another reviewer claims that the back is stainless steel even if the bezel is titanium?
On the Epix Pro both the bezel and rear cover are titanium. It's specified on Garmin's website under "case materials" quoted here: "fiber-reinforced polymer body with titanium rear cover"
What u think of venu3？ if I do most work out in gym should get the forerunner 965 or venu 3? Thanks
Venu 3 is great for that. Light weight and the newer sensor.
Hey - great video. Very weird with the missing map gestures on the 965. Really would like to have those. Do you happen to know whether these will be included in the next update? Perhaps someone can test this in the beta?
Unfortunately it's been like this forever. Even on the older Fenix 6 and 945. Very odd!
I have Hill and Endurance Score on my FR965.
Running Beta firmware?
@@ChaseTheSummit yes sir.
A 300/300+ bucks saving would be enough for me to ignore the Epix Pro and seriously consider a 965 when my trusted Fenix 6 Pro will die.
Hopefully not soon, so I'd probably have to reconsider the differences between Epix Mega Ultra Pro at 1500 and 985/995 at 1000 ... 🤬🤬🤬
Thank you, let me guess Presidential traverse trail, right?
You got it. You can find a whole video about that on my channel.
@@ChaseTheSummit That's where was my last long trail hike before pandemic, should do again once I get back into shape 😀
Thank you for this video. It really helps me decide which is the right watch for me. Anyone else who bought the Forerunner 965 and put a screen protector on it? Do you know if the protector covers the whole display?
Screen protectors on the 965 will be tricky because the display is curved. I think the only option would be a flexible screen protector film or a tempered glass that's smaller than the curved area.
Thank you
Kindly i would like to have thoughts about Instinct 2X vs F965
It’s a very different kind of watch. The 965 is a big bright AMOLED display while the 2X has an old school monochrome display. Apples and oranges, both are awesome devices though for their intended purposes!
@@ChaseTheSummit ur take? If i already have epix
Do you know if the heart rate sensor on the epix pro gen 2 is noticeably better than on the 965? I’ve had my 965 for a month and have still been wearing my apple watch ultra to compare data and I’m pissed at how horrible the heart rate sensor is on the 965. I already want to upgrade to the 51mm epix pro but if the sensor is just as bad then I’m selling my 965
For me in terms of accuracy they're similar. The Gen 5 sensor on Epix Pro does get a couple of extra features like ECG and skin temperature detection. It's also got more light emitters which can lead to better accuracy with some people but overall they've performed similarly for me. The thing with optical sensors is that they perform differently on everyone because of so many variables like body fat percentage, hair density, color of skin, etc...
@@ChaseTheSummit tough decision for me. If you’ve tried the 51 mm epix pro do you know if it feels similar in weight and size to an Apple Watch Ultra ? And thanks for the reply
Garmin Epix Pro Display has the best aspects of an indoor screen and outdoor screen in one. I’d just love some alternative material choices like a carbon fiber bezel or gold and black titanium. Or both.
Jesus, i was going for the 965, now i dont know 😢 I have a 745 that inalways have a screen guard on, considering the 965 has a curved screen i dont think a screen guard is a good option....
I added a flexible screen protector to my 965 and it looks great and covers the entire surface of the glass.
@@ChaseTheSummit cheers buddy the 965 it is 😎🇫🇮
The Garmin 955 have both Hill Score and Endurance score
They do now! At the time of filming this video it was exclusive to the Epix/Fenix Pro and was added later via firmware to other watches.
I have a FR 965 and it´s just amazing! Practical, light and beautiful. I wouldn't change it for any other Garmin.
Excellent comparison!
Put a case protector/ watch face protector on it, and scratches will Not happen.
Never understand with garmin way of designing their running watch
Why pay a hefty price for a plastic watch??
Any resolution for step tracking in a car or bus?
What do you mean?
I feel like Garmin are shooting them selves in the foot.
Up until the finex 7, there were huge differences software wise. However, recently they have shrieked the differences significantly with the recent updates.
I believe Garmin needs to unify the watches under one name where the main or difference are the Hardware and screen size.
That’s just my opinion.
I’d be on board with that. Sometimes I wonder if they’d sell more units if they had more of an “Apple approach” with only a few models that all have the same software and only hardware/battery differences… but what do I know!
I still can't decide fuck
10:54 is it always dimming that way (FR265) ?
The screen goes to sleep since these are AMOLED display watches. There is an “always on” setting but even in that mode it dims to preserve battery life after 8-15 seconds.