John Cena Was Supposed To Turn Heel In 2012
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- WWE Legend John Cena joins Chris to discuss his detailed plans in 2012 to turn heel during the run up to his first WrestleMania match against Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson at Wrestlemania 28.
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John would’ve inevitably killed it if they let him cook as a heel in his prime
Cooooooked. Of course they were making tons of money and the whole make-a-wish thing(which is honestly dope for those kids). Even though that wouldn't have been as much of a thing anymore, it woulda been astounding for their ratings. Super Cena was such a babyface at this point it would be close to a Hogan heel turn.
@@MrMGR1986those kids fans were a major obstacle..
@@SyrianHchHogan, Rock, and Austin didn’t give af 😂
@@javi994 well to their defense. The overall product was a lot stronger and deeper, so there were other faces of the company to get behind. It was kind of shallow by the time of super cena
I always thought that Cena song if I were a heel would be "if it all ended tomorrow" from their studio album
Heel Cena vs Face Punk could've ended up being the greatest feud of all time. John being an all powerful, self absorbed, sociopath vs Punk being the renegade anti hero that he was, mouthwatering stuff
I am a punk hater , bt I give the guy credit and respect , I think he is great as a heel. Only Randy is even with punk when it comes to being a great heel. Punk is really a great heel!!
That would have been amazing. 2011-2012 Punk was incredible
NWO Cena: Hustle, Loyalty, Order
@@jobaerbhuiyan6501Edge was really, really good too.
@@Brandonrios365Edge and Randy are the only 2 that can just effortlessly transition from heel to face or face to heel in a split second and have everyone either absolutely love them or absolutely despise them 😂😂😂
They should have done it, Cena needed a Hollywood Hogan style turn.
Hollywood Hogan and any Hogan was always trash !! Hogan sucks !! John already surpassed him decades ago and HHH , Heyman , Angle and states and many more proves John better than that overrated crap brother .
@@jobaerbhuiyan6501both was CRAP second best to there rivals edge orton hhh all better than cena by a mile stone, savage sting goldberg flair sheik all better than hogan by a mile stone.
@@jobaerbhuiyan6501 Hogan turning heel kick started the mid 90s boom that we still talk about this day. I'm not even sure if we're discussing pro wrestling on a national level in the 2000s if that doesn't happen.
No he didn’t He was different because he never turned heel
@jobaerbhuiyan6501 Fundamentally I agree with you. Hogan sucks. Cena also sucks more often than not, and that heel turn Hogan did in WCW was awesome. The only time I ever appreciated Hogan was in the early NWO days before it started filling up with jobbers and giving birth to new factions.
Imagine we saw a Heel John Cena with a mix of Thuganomics
@MR-RED428 Go back to 2003 and you'll literally see a heel John Cena with a mix of Thuganomics.
Not sure what your point is, asking to imagine something that's 20+ years old.
@@adamo1528 I meant in the 2010s if they let him turn heel with a Remixed Thuganomics theme & similar gimmick to thuganomics
The point is, a lot of people (myself included) would've liked for Cena to not have even turned babyface to begin with! His best shtick was in late '02 (with B2) to early '03 (with Red Dogg). But had he remained Heel Thuganomics? Maybe he wouldn't have become a main-eventer, and floundered in the mid-card scene; as a thug with hired muscle (not forever, but he'd basically be on the same level as Christian in '04; capping himself there).
Lots of people enjoyed that character! In the same way people liked MJF so much, even as a heel in AEW. That's why it would've ORGANICALLY became a babyface character throughout the years; had Cena remained consistent with his heel persona, and the ground he originally stood on.
John Cena himself intrinsically implies the same sentiment in this clip.
I never liked John Cena as a babyface, and I felt very alienated by him; anything post-2003.
Lies again? AIA Money USD SGD
Did yal not watch the clip? Cause what he described was nothing close to thuganomics .. that’s not the type of heel he was describing 😂
Heel Cena wearing a shirt that says -NEVER- JUST GIVE UP
😂😂
🔥😭😭😭 that would’ve been lit
"you can't BE me"
@@tharealnonamepeople who say ‘’lit’’ are just trash
@@AJHop1992 Kind of like your entire family
If John Cena had gone heel in 2012, it would have been the biggest thing since Hogan turning heel in 1995. Honestly, in my opinion, it would have been earth-shattering and would have raked in some serious money. Shame it never happened.
Hogan turned in '96. But yeah, I hear ya, man..
Yeah and the beginning could've been at MITB 2011 when CM Punk beat him. The whole arena was cheering CM Punk while Cena, as far as they knew, lost his job. He could've turned on the fans there after actually getting fired and not returning until the Royal Rumble
good for short term, bad for long term
@@game_is_onnnRoman Reigns disagrees. Heel turn took him and the business to another level
@@RonaldoIStheboyand he's just brock lesnar with lackeys
I need to hear this heel theme song
we need this track asap
There’s multiple uploads of it here on youtube
@@rmj0711 He literally said in the video, that he has it locked away, meaning the ones on CZcams are not what he made
@@rmj0711no it’s not
There is a song that everyone’s speculated is the heel theme but it isn’t titled the same as the song Cena mentioned
Marketing wise it makes sense they never turned him. Merch sales, make-a-wish, John was way too important to all that to risk a hard heel turn. But just listening to Cena describe it now has got me thinking about what could've been. He'd have made a great heel. Especially for the likes of Punk and Bryan to go up against.
The Make-A-Wish I get, but I think the merch sales would've been fine. NWO and now Bloodline stuff sells like hot cakes, I think heel Cena stuff likely would have the same results.
You know the businessmen are chickenshit when they're too scared to make a move on a good idea that would work
Man that “we all turn heel at some point” line hit hard.
Way too deep honestly 😢 he's great at explaining all this.
Another generic “hit hard” comment 😂😂😂
Unless you're Rey Mysterio.
@@aarnethn he was heel
@@aarnethn Heel in WCW
John cena always preaches hustle, loyalty, and respect, and never give up. If he was a heel, it would be so cool to see him tell people to give up. Heel cena being mad disrespectful, finessing without any honor, and saying “ I will never give up, but I think you should” to his opps
A heel turn would've been cool, but I get why they never did it.
Also, I NEED to hear that song.
czcams.com/video/60fP7bA93cs/video.htmlsi=EftuYddyukJlI0tC
There's no reason not to do it.
Make a wish @@AxeDharme
I could be so wrong but I partially remember it being leaked back in the day. Maybe it’s not the same one he’s even talking about but now that he says it I fully believe it’s the same time frame and song I’m thinking of. I just can’t even seem to find what I’m even referring to.
Google “John Cena Heel Theme Essentially Sports.” It comes up.
Put it in a WWE 2K "What If?" storymode with the re-mixed song
Roman proved what heel Cena could have been as a heel at the time
Cena heel would be way different and most likely way better
no doubt
@@Scr33chthat’s a bar
110%, and still moved/moves merch
@@wintv6046that’s a deep bar and ion think bro realized it
Now I want heel Cena to beat Gunther
Oh never thought it that way. But I want to see heel Cena vs antihero Kevin Owens.
Never gonna happen. He’s past his prime.
Nah Dom needs to beat him at wm
@@VILLAINOFYOURDREAMS that's why he cheat .
Why would heel Cena beat another heel it makes more sense for Baby Face Cena to beat Gunther
Wanna hear the heel Cena song so bad, bet it's a banger.
I believe it’s on CZcams just search for cena heel theme
@@curtailedbike4123Those are fanmade... Cena literally says in this clip that he has the real one locked away.
@@sebastianb.3978 Damm, then I feel the same. I would love to hear it since cena says the reason he doesn’t make music is cause it’s a young person game so I would love to hear what one of his last made music sounds like
It was achey breaky heart
Heel Cena vs Face Punk would have been EPIC!!!!
Heel Cena was a misssed opportunity in 2012 tbh!
I thought 2011 cena was going to turn heel
@@JLWprime10 2010 would have been another chance during the Nexus thing
I remember in 2013 many thought he was going to turn heel against The Rock at WrestleMania 29. I remember many thinking they were going to pull a Stone cold from WrestleMania 17.
@@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO.what if we can get Roman, Rock, and Cena as heels at the same time
@@arnellsmith while Orton, HHH, Rollins, and even though he's with another company, but Edge also a face right now. All those face at same time, while the other ones you just mentioned could be heel at same time.
The hidden song, “Fear my Name.” I need to hear it, especially if he says it’s as good as “The Time is Now.” It’s weird to think that there was a possibility that “The Time is Now” would’ve been replaced. It’s such an iconic staple now.
Talk about pushing Cena to greater heights of being the face of the company. If they just pulled the trigger on turning Cena heel he would've skyrocketed with the fanbase
His perspective on everyone in life being “heel” at one point and needing to find their way was refreshing to hear
John Cena is a deep thinker.
No you’re just a shallow thinker
@@Triple-A-XyzThat too, it very well could be.
Good day to you.
Like Uncle
Cena is wise you can tell he been through a lot
He simply speaks like a man his age.. it would be very akward to see a man in his 50s expressing himself like a kid in his 20s..
I need to hear that heel Cena theme.
Just listen to his "word life" theme he used in 2003-04.. he was a heel for most of that time..
I was one of the people who always liked John Cena, despite the booking...and even I wanted him to turn heel, there was no real excuse as we've seen with Roman Reigns, if Cena turned heel he would've just gotten bigger, he would've ended up being an even bigger babyface down the line.
you sound clueless. name a bigger baby face since rock and austin.
@@symbolic503 Cena. Just named one. Now do research and learn your wrestling
@@Plumbing.repairs w- what? You… you just agreed with the kid you responded to…
@@massimolanzillo4768 kid I responded to said Rock and Austin were bigger baby faces. I disagreed saying Cena is bigger
Roman doesnt have that Make A Wish ambassador label
The crazy thing is that three years ago I was playing 2K19 MyUniverse mode and I actually turned him heel I even turned his attire black and he would come out with no titantron or music he would just be angry and he actually beat Roman for the Universal title and became the longest reigning champion in history at that time😭
Heel Cena in 2012 could have been like Injustice Superman💸🔥
Yes 💯
Haha, great comparison.😊
Would've made sense considering how Cena's story was his 2012 sucks although when you think about it at least in the character and his WWE record it wasn't too bad. But considering how over he was with the younger aduince members and how much he's contributed to Make A wish
I do a lot of volunteer work with pediatric cancer patients and I’ve met John a bunch of times, I think the kids would’ve understood, but it’s hard to really quantify how much he did for make a wish.
Subjectively Cena was the heel against the Rock. During the buildup the fans were behind Dwayne (even if Cena’s promos were better). Everyone had grown tired of Cena as the face and when the Rock returned it was very much a case of - “Daddy’s back”. Such a shame they didn’t pull the trigger on the heel turn when the timing was perfect.
@@master-of-mind5881 The WWE intentionally denies what the fans want.
A Cena theme with saxophones?!?! I need to hear that
Aa much as I wanted it,
as much damage as the Cena character caused,
there is something special about having this character that will not break.
One that is at heart, A Hero.
WWE's Superman.
He brought a tear to my eye when he returned to face a heel Roman.
So many storylines involved people trying to poison his soul and make him go dark. He never did! Perhaps the most strong willed character in kayfabe, ever.
fr@@JosiahPlummer-ie7bk
They already have someone who fit this role a lot better, and they deliberately sabotaged them: Rey Mysterio.
He should’ve been Triple H’s main enforcer in the Authority storyline. A true hero who’s manipulated into thinking he’s doing the right thing by protecting the company, his home. Being genuinely confused at why the crowd turns on him. Reluctantly doing the Authority’s dirty work until DB or Punk or someone else made him see reason, ideally mid beatdown. The face turn at the end of all that would have hit so hard.
your gay
Heel Cena would’ve been cool to see, but understanding how that time was, Cena was still very over with the kids and one of the most requested people for Make A Wish, it’s understandable that the WWE couldn’t turn him heel. I hope that one day, we do hear the theme song he was going to have if he turned heel.
Not just kids women as well
So Rock turned heel in 03. Hogan in 96 so. what makes Cena's situation any different.
@@jamesjones-ez9ug Different business plans????
@@lylaznboi01Yea that M.A.W is some serious shit. I’m sure that was mentioned during the final decision.
This would of been epic
Facts I’m upset we missed out 😆 even the way he’s describing how he’d portray himself is so fire
Unlike your English.
Heel Cena returns in 2024, 17th title. Would be dope
Man just imagine cena comes back to WWE longer and we get a heel John cena ❤
right?! that's what I been saying since like 2017. Just retcon everything, let Cena come back and do what would have happened back in 2012 but in a new uber way. Whether it's the whc or taking the title from Cody, they got a chance. One last run, not even for him to be in the wwe constantly like a full time champion. Even if it's 3 months, have him come back, turn heel, beat Cody, they feud, and Cody gets the title back, even being a bigger baby face for defeating Rock, Reigns, and Cena.
Give up on it already, he's never turning heel
Imagine he returns to side with Roman & Rock to screw over Cody & Seth.
@@RuanAntunes7 other way around why would cena help 4 men who doesn't even need help?
What an insight to how he approaches his art, his life, and his philosophy of being human.
Heel Cena would've been much more enjoyable to watch in 2013/2014 than the painfully boring Authority, that's for sure.
He can always cost Cody at mania and begin his heel run the night after mania. It's the perfect crowd
You know what , I am digging it
It can be possible
John Cena in singlet, boots and boxing robes with a saxophone theme would of been AMAZING hopefully this happens one day
Like a wet dream fantasy for you huh
Randy being the biggest face and john being the biggest heel would help randy
That randy has helped cena to grow as he was the biggest heal when john was face when there is perfect heel u can connect with face
Cena to turn heel and win No.17
I feel like a Cena heel turn now wouldn't work
@@willglenn8638could get a Hollywood cena
@@willglenn8638actually at this point it does. Since Cena hasn't won a match in 6yrs and needs to do something different to keep up with new stars current era of wwe since he's no longer Super Cena anymore. A heel Hollywood cena that cheats to win would work.
@@raidenskywalker3702 I just don't see how he could gain any legit heat, people absolutely love the guy these days, I feel the boos would either be fake and people just booing because and not an authentic heat, like with Dom for example, Dom is probably a really cool guy behind the character but when he steps through that curtain he has some genuine heat with the fans
Hell fucking no. Have Cena stay away from WWE
Wwe was so anti heel when it came to cena for merchandising reasons but having him turn heel would of been a good opportunity to elevate a lot guys into stars
And he could also elevate Punk more as the top babyface instead of him turning heel again.
One of the biggest what ifs in WWE history
They had SO many opportunities to turn Cena heel
2010: when he joined Nexus, could've taken over the group
2011: summer of Punk, Cena could've done a screwjob angle
2012: after the Rock match ofc
2013/14: with the Authority, it made perfect sense for him to be the corporate champ that Daniel Bryan had to overcome
2016 onwards: imagine part-timer Hollywood Cena cheating to break Flair's record
Also, during the rivalry with a returning masked Kane trying to make Cena embrace the hate.
I needa hear his heel theme
If we got heel Cena then, I might actually be a fan.
So the best work ethic of anybody in the history of ever. But yeah when you gotta stop the Make a Wishes that's when you gotta rethink it.
It would've been greater than Hogan's heel turn. Damn Vince!
Easily 💯
Like that worked out for Stone Cold in 2001
@@swychbladeseven769there's a big difference. Stone Cold didn't need to turn heel in 2001 but Cena needed it. Austin's heel turn was unnecessary and hurt his career where Cena's heel turn would've freshened up his career.
@@rashidbinzamanshaan5841 Right aint a fan alive that was getting tired of Austin's original face run! It just kept going from the 3:16 kickoff to the feud with Shawn, The Rock, Undertaker, and most iconic feud with Vince Mcmahon. There wasn't a dull moment. Cena did the best he could but you can only do so much with a dull, repetitive product in comparison. It was an easy call that fans would desperately miss him and he'd get a heroes welcome back once he distanced himself from the dull Creative nightmare that was WWE before HHH took over.
Wrong and no ahlam for you 😂. Nwo for life ✌️
That would’ve been awesome!!!!!
That clip of Cena on Total Bellas with the red singlet was his heel gear. FEAR MY NAME was going to be his heel slogan.
The allegory of the good guy that lost his way is a great way to describe Drew McIntyre's current heel run I'd say.
He can always turn heel before he retires in WWE just like how the Rock did it just now, it's just about timing and when to strike when the iron is hot
True but everybody love cena now that he rarely appears now it woulda been better during 2011-2015 when most people got tired of his character
Cena needs to post pictures of this new gear. I'd love to see it.
I wish they would put that heel version in the video game... honestly it'd be sick.
Use me as a “drop “fear my name”” button
cena vs rock 1, cena absolutely dominated rock in those promos, never seen anyone be able to do that to rock. My respect for cena grew after that.
youre obviously a fruity pebbles superfan 😂
before that i wasn't a fan at all, after that i was. at least you didn't disagree tho cena owned him. Truth hurts? my guess you a fan too since you here watching his interviews 12 at night? lol cry harder. good day sir @@majinvegeta7777
@@meladgoat the heel turn would have been dope & the rock ran circles around cena with the promos. its pretty obvious rock won the war of words & later would go on to win the match as well 🤫
Watch survior series 2011 and see who got dominated
Bruh I can only think how that heel run would’ve been with a name for a theme song like “Fear My Name”.
Incredible interview with John Cena, Chris! John Cena turning heel in 2012 would have been absolutely massive, the WWE would never be the same if it did happen.
idk how much there is left in john cena, if he still got something left, i would like to see him make a heel run one last go around
Vince stole what could’ve been money because if he went heel he could’ve helped put over so many could be baby faces
I need to hear that Cena heel track cause I bet it went hard
I notice that the audio is edited differently here. Is that a perminent change or was it due to circumstance? Were the mics picking up John too much (were they peaking) or were you guys recorded at different volumes? I don't hate it, I just noticed.
Hm...what if Cena got tired of losing and just went heel for his last run?
It still might be possible. If The Rock at this stage in his career can turn heel then so can Cena. Doesn't have to be for a long time just a few months would do as well (like Hollywood Rock in 2003)
@@rashidbinzamanshaan5841 the thing that sucks is that I feel like it’s to late now cena turning heel wouldn’t matter cause of this whole bloodline stuff going on and Roman reigns and now the rock is heel so it makes things worse.
Cena would be bigger than what he is now…if he turned Heel, and then a the journey back to Face…
All big icons had this process..Hulk, Rock, Austin…
Would have been huge
It's not too late, Champ! Let's hear that banger music and win the 17th championship!
I would’ve loved this so much.
One Last Run for Cena, we need the heel Cena experience
If Cena comes back for one last run to end his career, let him be THIS heel. It would be awesome to see
WWE should do an animated series like Marvel’s What If…? What if Cena turned heel, what if DX joined the nWo, what if Sting fought Undertaker. Almost like an anime where abbreviated matches are fight scenes. Use real voices when possible or AI/voice doubles.
Let Daniel Warren Johnson storyboard it
That's fascinating. Cena was ready and willing to go full MJF on the heel turn, and precisely because he wanted to do it right, WWE got cold feet and pulled the plug.
Heel cena on smackdown in 2012 and face punk on raw would’ve been so fun
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, RELEASE THAT TRACK AND LET US SEE A GLIMPSE OF THAT!!!!
Cena bringing his heel Prototype character from OVW to WWE would've been dope as hell.
You should have asked the hard questions like backstage rumors of him burying superstars like Alex Riley, Damien Sandow, The Miz, Zack Ryder???
Only neckbeards care about that
How cool would it be for Cena to break Flair's record as a heel?
Not a Cena guy, but I NEED that.
The one think I think would’ve amped up a heel Cena is not for him to give up more but be more aggressive. Imagine Cena unleashed?
It’s not too late to turn, especially with him not being as young and strong being a heel that gives up and kind of has cronies as back up could work for his last run
I wanna hear that heel theme song lol
I still love when (Redacted Blampied) made a story that John Cena after the Firefly Funhouse came back twisted by the experience and turned him heel but under (Redacted McMahon) i doubt thatd happen but Papa H could try anything 😅
John Cena's TIME IS NOW to return as a heel. The story is there. With all the losses his character has taken especially the last one from Solo Sikoa it makes complete sense for him to come back with that Fear My Name song as this ruthlessly aggressive MFer who finally embraced the hate. Loses his way for a while and is eventually brought back at by Randy Orton to the light (or burned in it) at WM.
I still have hope that much like the Dwayne now, we can still see a little Heel Run from John, he is no longer shackled by Vince, who was really the one roadblock in the way of that Heel turn, john can say he had the choice but the reality is Vince was the only one to make that call.....i think Hunter would 100% love to see it too, it's the perfect time because now Cena can just experiment with whatever with no real reproductions...
It doesn't damage his legacy, it add a valuable layer that may potentially be one of the best, lets not forget that it was Cena's heel run in 2003 that really shot him up the card in 2004 as a face to then eventually be the biggest Babyface in the company from 2005 onwards.
Adam Blampied’s idea of having his heel turn come at the expense of the Undertaker’s streak would’ve rivaled Hogan forming the nWo
I might be the only one but I'd like to see John Cena's final run a little different from what we've been seeing already every time he returns. Something like letting him grow out his beard for a change, symbolising that he is now the "old" guy or something like that idk.
Man I wanna hear that theme song so bad 😂
Yoo heel cena is what we got with roman
When?
Any chance this could be John teasing his 17th World title run as a heel?
I gotta hear this heel Cena song
Heel Cena and Hollywood Rock could easily form a WWE version of Main Event Mafia with Aj Styles
He didn’t have to go the complete opposite route idealistically. He could’ve just shifted his loyalty, respect, and work towards a different route. Same Core Values, but with different lenses. That’s a true heel to me.
People where begging for a heel turn, I honestly believe it would have helped the company massively between 09 and 2012.
He totally can pull it off specially after watching him in Fast and Furious.
This should still happen!! See what it’s doing for the Rock!
John Cena is a rapper at heart, as his first thought was to get in the studio for a new track.
It’s never too late !!!
this interview is amazing
In the Future if John decided he was going to do a podcast about his Wrestling career I would 100% listen/watch a podcast of him talking about all/most of his wrestling experiences. Behind-the-scenes stuff, his favorite matches/PPVS, his relationships with all of his biggest rival competitors DwayneJhonson, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar, Edge (etc.) That would be super cool if it ever came to fruition.
Now talking about it really happening. I’m really glad John cena never turned heel, it’s honestly a testament to his character to never have a heel turn in over a decade of work. Incredible.
WWE really dropped the ball on this. Even as a kid/preteen I wanted this. Idk how they didn’t expect ratings to go up the way they did with Hollywood Hogan
There's still one chance! Let Cena's last hurrah in WWE be this typa heel turn with the World Championship- and yes, i do think Cena should break Ric Flair's record
PLEASE just ONE match of heel Cena at Wrestlemania
Cena should be a heel in the last part of his career and go out with a bang.
I so wanna see the concept stuff for this. I'd love to hear the music see the attire. It'd be cool at least people could create it in the videogames.
I wish he'd release the song independently