Since the proyama clearly didn't do emissions with a completely open muffler it really tells me the Echo being a smaller cc saw would smash that other saw with a simple muffler mod. I muffler modded my 590 and damn does it rip! I also didn't modify the carb jet and it still rips!
I have cut wood since my step dad thought I could safely run a saw at 10. I am 43 now and continue to heat with wood. Growing up I had a husky in my hands more often than not but we did have a few stihls and there were some oddball backups such as a dinosaur homelite that ran suprisingly well. I always felt like the huskys seemed to have a slight edge in torque and was what I grabbed when cutting down large trunks and limbs. You could dig the dogs in and lever them quite fast once acquainted with the saw. I would say though that they were always the most temperamental about starting / restarts. I would generally grab a stihl if working the smaller stuff because they didn't have the starting issues. The last saw I bought 3 years ago was a cs-490. I got an open box deal of ebay for $200 shipped (had I known what I know now I would have bought three and not needed a saw for a very long time. I have many chords through the echo and it still fires up first pull and runs great. Initially I was a little put off with how it felt... It didn't have the torque but once getting used to it I don't really feel like it's all that much different. I rely less on the dogs than i did with other brands and generally just keep light pressure and WOT. I'll also say the 20" bar is really a bit much for the 490 but it is better to have for versatility like cutting brush where the extra reach keeps you out of the pile. I absolutely love the saw and am probably going to pick up a 3410 for delimb and light duty. What the 490 really has going for it is with a muffler mod it's got just enough power to be a good firewood saw and the weight is such that you can run it all day without your shoulders killing you (well if you are middle aged like me). The 590 is a heavy SOB and I cartainly wouldn't want to run one all day or make many waste or above cuts. I have used some china made castings to repair a few things like my mothers husky string trimmer (she ran strait gas) They were economical, and after spending a little time cleaning up the castings they worked well for a long time. I have really wanted to try out some of the china zenoha clones. Never had any experience with them (I have ran a limited number of redmax helping friends and wasn't put off by them). I feel like they are probably pretty decent saws for the most part with corners cut in manufacturing that for the most part could be resolved by tearing down, cleaning up and reassembling. I do however read some comments some times that have kept me away. Like for example someone said that the bar that comes on one of the jpntech 105cc doesn't have a nose bearing... That sort of thing. I might be able to work around a poorly heat treated bar on a smaller saw or replace it but the fact that they would do that on a 36" bar pisses me off. You are over a expensive barrel and after you poney up for a bar that isn't garbage any other issues make it less and less atractive. I am impressed by the proyama though and might well pick one up next time I see one of the absurdly cheap promotional / coupon deals on amazon. I appreciate you posting this video and taking the time to make it. You are obviously a knowledgeable guy and this is the sort of thing that makes me feel a little better about trying out a questionable product (note* questionable doesn't always equate to bad). Subscribed and watching some of your other stuff.
I said it, Proyama is better than an echo! I have used an abundance of chainsaws in my life being a landscaper and tree climber, this too saw right here is the one I choose every time I climb. It’s lightweight, durable, and gets the job done every time! This is my second one that I have purchased, I won’t own any other brand again. The price is amazing, the quality of great, and the best part of it all, is the proyama customer service. I own multiple products from them, I reached out to their customer service team for assistance and they sent me replacements parts immediately. The cuts are clean with this chainsaw, the power is perfect, and it’s a perfect size for dangling from tree limbs with. If you’re interested in a new brand that’s affordable, go with Proyama! I promise you won’t regret it.
I think having a slit in the middle is an advantage. I would like to see a cut made by the 590 in a full log vs this one with the slit. Seems to me that being able to evacuate the chips half way through would make it faster.
Nice comparison. The Proyama looks like a good saw for the chainsaw hobbyist or the mechanically skilled yet financally strapped wood cutter. I have very basic mechanical skills, but I help maintain several wooded acres. I don`t own either one of these, but If I were to choose one I would probably choose the Echo. Why? Good local dealer. 5 year warranty Price differential narrower than it seems. Echo dealer days and sales sometimes occur. Plus the residual value of an Echo 590 is probably around $300 if I wanted to upgrade to something bigger. What is the residual value of the Proyama? We just don`t know yet. Assembled in USA of (mostly) Japanese parts. The local dealer is huge. For a lot of people time spent dealing with a pinched fuel line is time they would rather spend getting property maintenance done. Of course, I have to do the basics, and I also change the chains like Howard Hughes used to change his underwear. I like to sharpen on rainy days and bring extras when working.
Good vid. Your editing is great and you speak very clearly. Way better than I do. On the proyama extras, The one thing that I like is the face screen. Yes it is a piece of crap when it comes to quality but it's the only one I got so I make it work.😅
I've watched couple videos about Proyama and there's a fun fact for you. When Proyama sends a chainsaw to youtuber it appears to perform much better than when someone buys one themselves. I don't have Proyama but I do have several Zenoah clones, 62cc included and they are no match for my ECHO 590.
@@novicelumberjack may be there are some construction differences, i don't deny that but it doesn't explain why people who bought PCS68 themselves, in their films are not performing so good. In fact their chainsaws cut very similar to my 62cc zenoah clone. Maybe its coincidence or something else, maybe I'm wrong but for me it looks like Proyamas sent to youtubers for tests are better performing for some reason. If by chance you meet someone who bought Proyama himself, maybe it is worth it to check its performance, if it behaves like Yours. One last time, I'm not sure but it looks different.
@@pracakosaipilarka4301 Knowing how the system works, I find what you are saying to be highly unlikely. They sent me a saw from their local supplier. This is the same saw that would have been sent to a customer. It even had a pinched fuel line. If they had modified it in any way, that would have been fixed. I think what makes the difference is...me. I run tons of saws and can set it up to run properly. When I got it, the tune was far too rich. I leaned it out and put a better chain on it. I also fixed the pinched fuel line. Any videos you are seeing of it are most likely from people who aren't setting it up properly. Also, I am actually testing it against other saws. Lots of people have said that my saws look slow because they are used to seeing other CZcamsrs run their ported saws with excellent square filed chains in fast growing pine. This makes their saws look outrageously good, throwing a beautiful stream of chunky chips. It is very difficult to tell how good a saw runs without comparing it to another saw that is a known commodity. That's why I like to do head to head match-ups. It shows what the saw is actually capable of, not simply a good sharp chain in soft wood that cuts easily. Post a link to the video where you think the Proyama doesn't look as good as mine. Betcha it was made by some newbie that barely knows how to mount a bar and chain. If they were giving ho-hum review, I betcha they could hand the saw to me, and in less than a minute I could hand it back and they'd swear it was a different saw that runs twice as good. Mine gained about 2,000 rpm after tuned properly.
before i think about echo 590 459usd and proyama pcs 68 249usd with 24inch /20inch bar and chain.finally i choose proyama ,really good chainsaw.hope you can test husqvarna 460 vs proyama :)
This is the matchup that I’ve been waiting for
Since the proyama clearly didn't do emissions with a completely open muffler it really tells me the Echo being a smaller cc saw would smash that other saw with a simple muffler mod. I muffler modded my 590 and damn does it rip! I also didn't modify the carb jet and it still rips!
I have cut wood since my step dad thought I could safely run a saw at 10. I am 43 now and continue to heat with wood. Growing up I had a husky in my hands more often than not but we did have a few stihls and there were some oddball backups such as a dinosaur homelite that ran suprisingly well.
I always felt like the huskys seemed to have a slight edge in torque and was what I grabbed when cutting down large trunks and limbs. You could dig the dogs in and lever them quite fast once acquainted with the saw. I would say though that they were always the most temperamental about starting / restarts. I would generally grab a stihl if working the smaller stuff because they didn't have the starting issues.
The last saw I bought 3 years ago was a cs-490. I got an open box deal of ebay for $200 shipped (had I known what I know now I would have bought three and not needed a saw for a very long time. I have many chords through the echo and it still fires up first pull and runs great. Initially I was a little put off with how it felt... It didn't have the torque but once getting used to it I don't really feel like it's all that much different. I rely less on the dogs than i did with other brands and generally just keep light pressure and WOT. I'll also say the 20" bar is really a bit much for the 490 but it is better to have for versatility like cutting brush where the extra reach keeps you out of the pile.
I absolutely love the saw and am probably going to pick up a 3410 for delimb and light duty. What the 490 really has going for it is with a muffler mod it's got just enough power to be a good firewood saw and the weight is such that you can run it all day without your shoulders killing you (well if you are middle aged like me). The 590 is a heavy SOB and I cartainly wouldn't want to run one all day or make many waste or above cuts.
I have used some china made castings to repair a few things like my mothers husky string trimmer (she ran strait gas) They were economical, and after spending a little time cleaning up the castings they worked well for a long time. I have really wanted to try out some of the china zenoha clones. Never had any experience with them (I have ran a limited number of redmax helping friends and wasn't put off by them).
I feel like they are probably pretty decent saws for the most part with corners cut in manufacturing that for the most part could be resolved by tearing down, cleaning up and reassembling. I do however read some comments some times that have kept me away. Like for example someone said that the bar that comes on one of the jpntech 105cc doesn't have a nose bearing... That sort of thing. I might be able to work around a poorly heat treated bar on a smaller saw or replace it but the fact that they would do that on a 36" bar pisses me off. You are over a expensive barrel and after you poney up for a bar that isn't garbage any other issues make it less and less atractive. I am impressed by the proyama though and might well pick one up next time I see one of the absurdly cheap promotional / coupon deals on amazon. I appreciate you posting this video and taking the time to make it. You are obviously a knowledgeable guy and this is the sort of thing that makes me feel a little better about trying out a questionable product (note* questionable doesn't always equate to bad). Subscribed and watching some of your other stuff.
Really shows the Proyama's torque!
Compliments from me today 😊
I said it, Proyama is better than an echo! I have used an abundance of chainsaws in my life being a landscaper and tree climber, this too saw right here is the one I choose every time I climb. It’s lightweight, durable, and gets the job done every time! This is my second one that I have purchased, I won’t own any other brand again. The price is amazing, the quality of great, and the best part of it all, is the proyama customer service. I own multiple products from them, I reached out to their customer service team for assistance and they sent me replacements parts immediately. The cuts are clean with this chainsaw, the power is perfect, and it’s a perfect size for dangling from tree limbs with. If you’re interested in a new brand that’s affordable, go with Proyama! I promise you won’t regret it.
The longevity of the Proyama is an unknown. When one buys an Echo 590 the reputation for reliability is a known
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Dagnabit...I already have three 60cc saws. I'm just and enthusiast; not a collector. And that dry red oak is hard as well.
I think having a slit in the middle is an advantage. I would like to see a cut made by the 590 in a full log vs this one with the slit. Seems to me that being able to evacuate the chips half way through would make it faster.
Nice comparison. The Proyama looks like a good saw for the chainsaw hobbyist or the mechanically skilled yet financally strapped wood cutter. I have very basic mechanical skills, but I help maintain several wooded acres. I don`t own either one of these, but If I were to choose one I would probably choose the Echo. Why?
Good local dealer.
5 year warranty
Price differential narrower than it seems. Echo dealer days and sales sometimes occur. Plus the residual value of an Echo 590 is probably around $300 if I wanted to upgrade to something bigger. What is the residual value of the Proyama? We just don`t know yet.
Assembled in USA of (mostly) Japanese parts.
The local dealer is huge. For a lot of people time spent dealing with a pinched fuel line is time they would rather spend getting property maintenance done. Of course, I have to do the basics, and I also change the chains like Howard Hughes used to change his underwear. I like to sharpen on rainy days and bring extras when working.
I bet a muffler mod 590 would beat it. Impressive nonetheless, just added a proyama to my cart!
Good vid. Your editing is great and you speak very clearly. Way better than I do. On the proyama extras, The one thing that I like is the face screen. Yes it is a piece of crap when it comes to quality but it's the only one I got so I make it work.😅
look like a good air filter setup
I've watched couple videos about Proyama and there's a fun fact for you. When Proyama sends a chainsaw to youtuber it appears to perform much better than when someone buys one themselves.
I don't have Proyama but I do have several Zenoah clones, 62cc included and they are no match for my ECHO 590.
This is a PCS68. It has a 36mm stroke. Very different than anything else.
@@novicelumberjack may be there are some construction differences, i don't deny that but it doesn't explain why people who bought PCS68 themselves, in their films are not performing so good. In fact their chainsaws cut very similar to my 62cc zenoah clone. Maybe its coincidence or something else, maybe I'm wrong but for me it looks like Proyamas sent to youtubers for tests are better performing for some reason.
If by chance you meet someone who bought Proyama himself, maybe it is worth it to check its performance, if it behaves like Yours. One last time, I'm not sure but it looks different.
@@pracakosaipilarka4301 Knowing how the system works, I find what you are saying to be highly unlikely. They sent me a saw from their local supplier. This is the same saw that would have been sent to a customer. It even had a pinched fuel line. If they had modified it in any way, that would have been fixed. I think what makes the difference is...me. I run tons of saws and can set it up to run properly. When I got it, the tune was far too rich. I leaned it out and put a better chain on it. I also fixed the pinched fuel line. Any videos you are seeing of it are most likely from people who aren't setting it up properly. Also, I am actually testing it against other saws. Lots of people have said that my saws look slow because they are used to seeing other CZcamsrs run their ported saws with excellent square filed chains in fast growing pine. This makes their saws look outrageously good, throwing a beautiful stream of chunky chips. It is very difficult to tell how good a saw runs without comparing it to another saw that is a known commodity. That's why I like to do head to head match-ups. It shows what the saw is actually capable of, not simply a good sharp chain in soft wood that cuts easily. Post a link to the video where you think the Proyama doesn't look as good as mine. Betcha it was made by some newbie that barely knows how to mount a bar and chain. If they were giving ho-hum review, I betcha they could hand the saw to me, and in less than a minute I could hand it back and they'd swear it was a different saw that runs twice as good. Mine gained about 2,000 rpm after tuned properly.
@@novicelumberjack Yeah, valid points you have there. Right tuning can make a big difference, that's why I'm not completely sure how it really is.
Nice running saw for a clone that's for sure!
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Let's see a "bone-stock" Echo 590 go against the 562XP Mark II.
before i think about echo 590 459usd and proyama pcs 68 249usd with 24inch /20inch bar and chain.finally i choose proyama ,really good chainsaw.hope you can test husqvarna 460 vs proyama :)
How do the plastics feel on it? It might run good but does it feel durable?
It feels better than most of the cheap Zenoah clones, but not by much.
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Sweet! Run it with your 562xp!
I bet with a muffler mod the 590 would beat it
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I’m not being rude but Devon Larratt looks like he could be your brother! BTW he’s the king of arm wrestling. But dang you guys look similar!
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I guess you're needing a Brushcutter? Buttering them up hopefully they'll send you one of them Brushcutters?🙄😏😁
You aren't far off. In hoping they will sponsor the Kung Fu Hustle. They have some cool products. Maybe the winner can get a generator or something.
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👍🏻DR and BP. Would be pretty cool either way!
I know nothn about rhe pro yama 🤔🤔
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I don’t think it is