Extract Moral Wisdom from Quranic Stories | 30 Keys to Unlock the Quran's Meaning | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- In episode 22 of 30 Keys to Unlock the Quran's Meaning, Dr. Shabir Ally shares insights on the interpretation of Quranic stories, highlighting the importance of understanding them beyond mere historical accounts. He suggests that while Muslims have traditionally viewed these narratives as literal events, they should also consider the possibility of allegorical or symbolic meanings. Dr. Shabir provides examples, such as Solomon comprehending the ants' communication and conversing with a bird, advocating for rational explanations rather than strict literalism. He emphasizes that the Quran utilizes existing stories to convey moral lessons and principles, urging believers to focus on the underlying teachings rather than the historical accuracy of the narratives.
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Dears, He never said that these stories are not true but rather he said that the stories and in fact true and there is no doubt in it, but the exaggeration in explaining these stories beyond the Quranic text in the background of other texts or stories is not exactly true, which cause doubt, when conflicting ideas occurs in the same story, but no one disagree on the solely Quranic text talking about the story, it is the exaggeration which is supported beyond the Quranic text and makes different ideas, if the different ideas comes then someone might doubt the Quranic text, so the only way is to stop exaggerating in explaining these stories and suffice on the Quranic text, and take a moral lesson from these stories.
It's really good to take a moral story from the legends circulating at that time. It's the same where I live, we usually teach children through fairy tales and that's good. But then how can we differentiate fairy tales from God's Word? This is a question we should think about too? What about the story God changed a person's face into Jesus' face? We know that theories about God changed a person's face into Jesus' face were circulating before the emergence of Islam (e.g Basilides). Is the similar story in the Koran also taken from a Gnostic story for its moral meaning only or is this historical story and also considered the Word of God? How do you differentiate them when they are mixed like this (As a consequence, the Koran adopted folk tales that was already circulating at that time)? If this is a moral story taken from Gnostic teachings then the question is; Was Jesus really died on the cross? Which is correct died on the cross or God changed a person's face ? Word of God or gnostic legend inserted into the text?
What about the story of three gods hhhh, if Quran was inserting other stories, the story of the three gods in one god but three gods but wait a minute one god in three forms.
Thanks Dr. Shabir. However, other than the biblical texts, there is absolutely no archeological evidence that Solomon or his Kingdom ever existed!
Yes, the Quran is filled with fictionalized stories, but Allah speaks as though they were true and he made them that way. The stories of Muhammad are different only in that they don't even appear in the Quran.
By the measure, all the books are full of fictionalized stories that are just meant to serve as lessons on morality, faith in the Almighty and good judgement.
As for the stories of Muhammad, there were events happening before the revelations, and then some of the revelations touched on the events in Muhammad's life, to serve as guidance and lessons on how to live. His full biography did not need to be included in the Quran.
What about the story of three gods hhhh, if Quran was inserting other stories, the story of the three gods in one god but three gods but wait a minute one god in three forms.
Honestly Dr. Shabir this is quite a dangerous approach to interpretation of the Quran. You will essentially be dismissing every event mentioned in the Quran as a metaphorical event 🤔....so in this case one would have to ask, did the mountains ⛰️ and the birds 🐦 actually supplicate and glorify God with king David or was it simply a metaphor that David was a good person just as You had mentioned in regards to Solomon his son !! It sounds too simplistic. Allah says:
﴿۞ وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا دَاوُودَ مِنَّا فَضْلًا ۖ يَا جِبَالُ أَوِّبِي مَعَهُ وَالطَّيْرَ ۖ وَأَلَنَّا لَهُ الْحَدِيدَ﴾
[ سبأ: 10]
And We certainly gave David from Us bounty. [We said], "O mountains, repeat [Our] praises with him, and the birds [as well]." And We made pliable for him iron,
Allah (God) clearly says that this is a bounty that He bestowed upon king David PBUH.
Now in regards to the mountains and the birds, Allah says:
﴿تُسَبِّحُ لَهُ السَّمَاوَاتُ السَّبْعُ وَالْأَرْضُ وَمَن فِيهِنَّ ۚ وَإِن مِّن شَيْءٍ إِلَّا يُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدِهِ وَلَٰكِن لَّا تَفْقَهُونَ تَسْبِيحَهُمْ ۗ إِنَّهُ كَانَ حَلِيمًا غَفُورًا﴾
[ الإسراء: 44]
17:44 The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving.
So clearly everything in God's creation exalts Him "literally" even if we don't understand how exactly.
He is a deviant person who interprets the Quran in a manner to please certain segments of non-Muslims. He is using his deficient mind to interpret the Quran as he wishes. I have heard him before rejecting sound Hadiths.
Alhamdullilah- The dialogue opened numerous inquiries as we reflected on the verses from the Quran. Your insight could potentially clarify some aspects. Ultimately, it is Allah who possesses the ultimate knowledge.
Seems to add more uncertainly for a book that claims to be clear.
@charlesmuhmanson3928
Allah (the One Eternal God of Abraham) "clearly" identified in the Quran that the revelation has opposing effects on different people. Those who approached the book with humility it is a guidance for them and a healing. Those who approached the book with skepticism arrogance and denial, it is a blindness upon them.
﴿وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا أَعْجَمِيًّا لَّقَالُوا لَوْلَا فُصِّلَتْ آيَاتُهُ ۖ أَأَعْجَمِيٌّ وَعَرَبِيٌّ ۗ قُلْ هُوَ لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا هُدًى وَشِفَاءٌ ۖ وَالَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ فِي آذَانِهِمْ وَقْرٌ وَهُوَ عَلَيْهِمْ عَمًى ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ يُنَادَوْنَ مِن مَّكَانٍ بَعِيدٍ﴾
[ فصلت: 44]
41:44 And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place.
@@HH-pv9ex Then the book is not clear guidance. It is hidden magic. Only Lucifer communicates that way.
In fairness, this is a very hot button topic, you have touched upon here.
Some listeners are justified in asking that if everything in the Quran is correct, then why the need to invent fictionalized stories?
I think it will be great if you make a longer video, with a more detailed explanation, expounding on the topic touched in this video, as I think a 9 minute video is insufficient to clarify what you meant here.
Have a blessed day.
He never said that these stories are not true but rather he said that the stories and in fact true and there is no doubt in it, but the exaggeration in explaining these stories beyond the Quranic text in the background of other texts or stories is not exactly true, which cause doubt, when conflicting ideas occurs in the same story, but no one disagree on the solely Quranic text talking about the story, it is the exaggeration which is supported beyond the Quranic text and makes different ideas.
Thank you Dr Shabir, this really needs to be heard by all. You have put it across so accurately n beautifully.
Seems like Biddah.
Then again Dr Shabir, and in pursuing such a dismissive interpretation approach, why should you believe that there was a wall 🧱 altogether, maybe Thul-Qarnayn imagined it or saw it in a dream. Or maybe the whole story is just a metaphor that Thul-Qarnayn was a good person just as the stories of king Solomon and king David were just a metaphor that they were good persons... And then maybe all the stories of Moses who is mentioned 136 times in the Quran are just metaphors that he was a "good person" but he never really split the red sea 🌊.....it really becomes very boring 😴.
Please re-read the very 2nd Aayah of Surat Al-Baqarah
﴿ذَٰلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لَا رَيْبَ ۛ فِيهِ ۛ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ﴾[ البقرة: 2]
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah
(7:53) Going back to the story of Thul-Qarnayn..Allah says:
﴿ إِنَّا مَكَّنَّا لَهُ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا﴾[ الكهف: 84]
Verily, We (God) established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything.
So God is speaking here confirming that He gave that person authority and means....does this sound metaphorical ????
It is the same as when Allah says
﴿إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ فِي لَيْلَةِ الْقَدْرِ﴾
[ القدر: 1]
97:1 Indeed, We sent the Qur'an down during the Night of Decree.
And
﴿إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ﴾
[ يوسف: 2]
12:2 Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand.
Does it sound metaphorical?
He never said that these stories are not true but rather he said that the stories and in fact true and there is no doubt in it, but the exaggeration in explaining these stories beyond the Quranic text in the background of other texts or stories is not exactly true, which cause doubt, when conflicting ideas occurs in the same story, but no one disagree on the solely Quranic text talking about the story, it is the exaggeration which is supported beyond the Quranic text and makes different ideas.
Dr. Shabir, you are making sense in light of the fact that the stories in the Koran are familiar to those of other religions like Judaism and Christianity. It is well-known that many of the Koran's stories were taken from Jewish rabbis and Christian gnostics, along with folk tales told around campfires.
The Christian tale of "The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus" is reworked in the Koran as "Companions of the Cave". I assume that this tale is a good example of Mohamad taking an entertaiining folktale from Christianity and putting it into his Koran.
He pretended to know it and got it wrong then said only Allah knows the number in the cave. Wasn't Allah the one guiding Muhammad? Why didn't he tell him?
@@charlesmuhmanson3928
Yes- And have you noticed how desperate muslims are to squeeze their deity "Allah" and "prophet" 'Isa' into Western society? They have all but thrown the name 'Allah' into the trashcan and have done the same with 'Isa'.
Allah seems to be the sock puppet of Mohamad.
As for 'Isa', that name was never used since Arabic Christians have been using Yasū and Aramaic Christians have been using Yeshua for 2000 years!
But now, you may be interested to know that archaeologists found the word 'Isa' inscribed with a cross, on a rock, made by a Christian shepherd in ancient Arabia. 'Isa' seems to have meant "Savior of mankind" and was used as a description of Who Jesus is. To think that all these years muslims have referred to Jesus as 'Isa', meaning "Savior of all mankind" is rather humorous. I guess they have to come up with another Name!
Apparently Allah & Mohamad didn't know this either.
Not exactly, in fact these stories are all of the righteous peoples (Submitted to the will of Only & Only One God), not of the pegans like those of three gods (god can be three and one 😂😂😂), but your rabbis and pastors edited them added them thing in order to exchange them for an amount of money.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928
Allah seems fickle.
@@idrisaleemdar
Those stories are *storiesI* and are NOT true.
They began with Jews and then Christians and by the time the muslims heard them they had been "improved upon". Since these stories changed as people heard them and then passed them on, the stories changed-- just ike the oral, memorized Koran. It's called the game of whispers.
you can make this argument for everything though. all of the past prophets.... i think this devalues the quran.
but arent's words of alla in the koran? if alla speaks how can they be viewed as something different than what they are? shabir knows that there's plenty of craziness in alla book and is looking for a way to make it more rational and less dumb.
only fundamentalists think words are literal e.g. some Bible fundamentalists as well as same type of people in alla religion.
shabir is actually aligned with Biblical interpretational techniques recognizing historic, poetic, literal, regional/geographical aspects, etc.
if everything is taken literally then this can result in some real issues.
The truth is the moral lesson, in that sense it is still something with real value.
What about the story of three gods hhhh, if Quran was inserting other stories, the story of the three gods in one god but three gods but wait a minute one god in three forms.
@@idrisaleemdar where is that story?
If the Quran cannot be trusted on what can be seen and tested, science and history, what makes you think it can be trusted on spiritual matters? John 3:12
By the measure, how can you trust the Bible or Torah too?
I do agree, that this should have been a standalone 30 minute video, at the very least, and not a short 9 min lecture. This has the potential to be a can of worms in terms of the questions raised.
@@galactic_spectator6409
Jesus made it clear when He used parables to teach spiritual lessons. But Mohamad embarrassingly put folktales like the Christian "The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus" into the Koran as *Allah's actual words".*
Big, big difference!
@@rhonda8822 Jesus might have used parables to teach moral lessons but did Jesus say that the story of Moses, Abraham, Sodom and Gomorrah, were all parables? And the measure used by the original commentator will make it seem that all Biblical stories can be considered as Fictional.
Jesus didn't write the Bible, it was written by human authors and that leaves a question mark over how authentic were these authors and what were their intentions? Maybe the Sleepers is an actual story but Christians took it as a folktale(I doubt it tho).
The big big difference is that Jesus did not write not was present during the writing of the Bible whereas Muhammad was. I would trust the word who was present when the book was written rather than the word of authors who wrote the book before and after Christ.
In any case, I wish the video was longer to expound on what Dr. Ally claimed.
@rhonda8822 The problem is that many who wish to pontificate don't even read their own literature. Zachariah of Meteline (465-536AD) wrote in regards to the seven sleepers of Ephesus saying, ".... I was able to discover from records and acts or letters the truth that was carefully examined, which took place in the days of Theodosius the King"
He was referring to the era when the sleepers woke up and spoke with the emperor before their final death.
Whether you believe or not is besides the point 🤷.
John 3:12 is a very wise statement indeed. But one that is worth studying 📖 is John 3:19. The Greek states
Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν Υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.
It has been passionately translated in so many ways to convey a very specific meaning. But I always like to go back to the original words to see what they meant. So let's have a look at the "key" words here.
5207 υἱός/hyiós ("son") emphasizes likeness of the believer to the heavenly Father, i.e. resembling His character more and more by living in faith (HELPS word studies).
So, the expression is figurative in reality.
3439 μονογενῆ/monogenḗs, one of a kind, one of a class. (HELPS word studies)
So really Jesus as he describes Himself in John 3 is truly a "son of man" and is a one of a kind, since he has a mother and no father, and was brought into existence simply by the command/word of the One Eternal God of Abraham making him a very unique human prophet sent from heaven.
Out of God's mercy, He sent this unique human prophet to guide the misguided into "pure monotheism", so they may live the eternal life in the Hereafter.
One finds verse 14 quite interesting as well. It reports Jesus saying
14 "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up."
So here Jesus is saying that he is lifted up, ie helped to rise into the heavens. So even though he performed the miracles, he has to be helped to rise into the heavens. Therefore it confirms that all he did was by the help of the One Eternal God of Abraham.
It also as a statement consistent with the prophecy of Psalm 91
11 For He will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;
12 they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.
It all falls into place quite nicely, he was saved !
Shabir is on some quest to cancel parts of koran as its's simply unbearable. at least he's seeing light of sorts.
The Biddah Wars.
Seems like Shabi Ally is inventing explanations to adapt to modernity rather than adhere to the ancient tafsir.
Ants do not have a language. They communicate, yes, and there is truth in that aspect. But the story has to be taken in a way that makes logical sense.
@@knightmarepilot4832 Why does it have make logical sense? Could the illogic be evidence Muhammad was off his rocker?
He never said that these stories are not true but rather he said that the stories and in fact true and there is no doubt in it, but the exaggeration in explaining these stories beyond the Quranic text in the background of other texts or stories is not exactly true, which cause doubt, when conflicting ideas occurs in the same story, but no one disagree on the solely Quranic text talking about the story, it is the exaggeration which is supported beyond the Quranic text and makes different ideas.
@@idrisaleemdar So did Solomon hear the Ants talk? Is the wall of Dhul Qarnayn real? Are the stones that pelted the people of the elephant real? Did Abraham found Mecca even though we have no archaeological evidence Mecca is that old?
All seems fabricated.