CHEAP HARLEY DAVIDSON? 2020 Softail Standard - Specs and Price
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2020
- Harley Davidson announced it's new 2020 Softail Standard and the marketing strategy they took is quite new.
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Is Harley going the right direction?
i heard rumours that harley is partnering with hero moto corp(India) besides the benneli(chinese owned) , any news on that?
Yes, now that Matthew Levatich has quit maybe we can get a 5 gallon tank on the Fat Bob (frankly get rid of all peanut tanks), stop delivering bikes with tubed spoked wheels, and deliver HOGS with more meat and less lipstick.
I like a blank canvas, Dave, Dave? What is the alternative model for other than American markets? Dave? are you awake Dave?
They need a new direction, any direction. Their traditional market is literally dying off.
They need some more affordable well performing models.
Kuddos to Harley. I think this may actually reach the American public. People are tired of $30,000 motorcycles.
You must be some kind of sales representative from Harley because of $13,000 isn't a motorcycle that is actually reached by the American public. Try 4,000 that's what most people can afford....
"Sort of still a Harley?" It's the most Harley. Harleys only recently became couches with full sized entertainment centers bolted on the forks. They used to be machines that changed infrequently. That means there are a lot of parts on the market and can be acquired quick and cheap. And they were simple so the owner could easily take care of it themselves.
All this nanny electronics stuff is more geared to racing Ducatis than to American street bikes.
saddlebag probably the most Harley of the Harley-Davidsons to come out in a while. I went 30th Fatboy, but recognize and respect this little brother.
They're still changed infrequently, but tastes of the riders change. I remember purchasing my used 1976 bagger in '80 and thought it was the cat's meow. Still have that bike, (along with all my other HD M.C. purchases of the '90's, and 2000's), I still ride it to bike nights and such but it doesn't compare to my '20 114" Road Glide in any way shape or form. AND: if you're looking for THE roller coaster ride, try an EBR 1190
@@gvs5318 Kewl. I love seeing the old ones at biking events.
Totally agree
There is no way in hell this Standard Harley Motorcycle should cost more than $9,999 US Dollars.
agreed
Instead of going through the expense of producing a whole new model they should have just lowered the price of 2020 street bob. Most younger buyers have are into the blacked out look anyway.
its not really a new model. its a street bob with some black removed and replaced with chrome
Jason Scanlan Exactly. Bring the streetbob to 10.000 dollars. Competition is too stiff right now. The economy is shit.
Think of it as a grown-up (and better) SPORTSTER!
My current everyday ride is a 2004 Softail Standard. I’m glad H-D brought this model back. My only gripe is the 3.5 gallon fuel tank. You’ll be stopping every 100 miles to fill up. A real Softail with the new engine is awesome and I hope the customization aspect expands to offer a larger tank and more paint options.
Robert Drappo I have a 2004 night train with stock drag bars and a wide glide front end. (I believe your standard is a wide glide also?) I think They should have at least put a wide glide on this and the bobber as well.
Bcharns we have the same front end. I’ve always liked the Night Trains but couldn’t find one when I bought my Standard. I was willing to settle for either bike - they’re the same except for the blacked out components.
Exactly, it is why the Fat Bob doesn't sell. Arguably the best handling Softail but delivered without any fuel capacity. Who are these decision makers?
Cheers to you folks from a 2011 Blackline owner, I agree with you !
The one about "how else would they know that you are riding a MODERN Harley?" cracked me badly hahahahah, nice one!
I've always been a Harley fan and . . . this one's cool! Nice base for whatever you want it to be and reasonably priced. And, by the way, that 107 NO slouch!
...was quietly chuckling the whole time - you really know how to share news, even that which only crickets seem excited about since they were all I could hear after you were done with the show - Harley, Harley, Harley when will you hire actual industry experts in their class to help you make proper entries into other non-Harley classes, when? In any case, much thanks for all you do!
After seeing some reviews on CZcams. I went into a Harley "Clothing Boutique" to look at one in person. What attracted me was the price for an M8 107 motor on a softail frame that would be a platform for which I could radically customize it. I already have 3 bikes in my garage but none of them a Harley...this would be my very first Harley.....I liked the fact that it was fairly bare bones without the annoying bells and whistles.....found on the Road and Street and ULTRA Pigs...or even the Low Rider Sow...even so...the Soft Tail Standard still had a lot of junk on it. It looks like a good bike to rip out all of the electronics...and throw a Carbuerator onto, dump the stock exhaust for a 2 into 1 HPI exhaust, get a bigger tank, dump the cheap seat, swap out the cheesy Turn Signals with Motogadget LED turn signals
With the amount of money you are paying Dave, this might be possible. Give Dave a raise and he could move up to a Street Bob.
This bike is right up my alley. I like the stripped down base model. I'd get lower handle bars and a suspended solo seat and it would be perfect for me. I like it simple and functional, that's where the beauty is for me.
Bias much? I like all bikes, but you're complaining about price while sitting in front of a GS...Also, complaining it's taking ages to get the Pan America to market while it's Feburary 2020 is pretty petty. They said it would be released sometime 2020... Also the claim that the livewire has been met with 'very disappointing results'. It just comes across like you're the guy who is going to complain if Harley decided to not change anything and is going to complain if they do.
Street Bob with chrome. Still, I like it.
Got a 2020 Softail Standard with the tour pac and added a Stage 1 upgrade, now just waiting for Spring!!
From here in California , I like the price, and all the options!👍
I've heard it mentioned a few times over the years that Harley needed to introduce a workhouse bike, to allow younger riders in. So it looks like HD have finally decided to give it a go.
In The Netherlands it's listed for €15.990 including ABS and 'safety option package'. And yes, you can choose between Vivid Black.
Hello
YES, Harley is selling it at 13750€ here in Europe, (the lowest price spread betwen US$ and € ever) and WITH ABS! . Definitely the best bang for the buck, even better than in the US.
Totally enjoyable review young fella!
Cubic inches to cc require a rethink.
Harley will always go their own way.......and we pay their price as always!
Who is the daftest??
I have the 2018 fxbb took off a few items that are not needed made it the way i like it love this bike have 2005 softail deluxe and 2019 roadking and glide
Thats the most expensive honda shadow I have ever seen
oof , savage!
Dr. Daddy that is definitely not a Honda Shadow.. has 600cc bigger motor the Quality is definitely not Honda.. that shit pristine
It’s street Bob with Chrome instead of black.. it has good power band and good numbers for a an air cooled bike..
I don’t know anyone that can gives a shit about ABS I traded in my 2017 Harley 48 for. 2017 Dyna FXDL for a $1,000 less than this bike.. the Dyna has a 103 4 cubic inches smaller.. I went with the Low Rider because of style and had the passenger pegs and 2 up seat already on it..
@@kyleryneost considering lack of quality is one of the reasons HD is dying, you're right, it probably doesn't have close to the quality of a Honda Shadow. Since there are tons of 20-30 year old stock Honda shadows running around today. Harley...? Nope.
True. Two days is all we can take without motorcycle news.
Maybe. There is a growing number of people tired of BMW telling them they need a $3500 abs controller or Triumph telling them they will have the part in three months. When its 10 years old it will be worth twice what a GS or Triumph will be and won’t take much maintenance. That’ the US market.
In Europe its vice versa. That's life.😊
Re. ABS, it will be available in Australia which like the EU mandates ABS on new bikes so I’d say it will in fact be available in the EU.
So I am an American, so when the video started I was intrigued, but as your took it further and brought up the limitations and what isn't included, I lost all interest in the bike.
This bike needs to be around 10k with taxes included Get rid of the street 750 and such and make this and the sportster 1200 and 48 the introduction models.
we're old, we've been riding harley for 40 years, just ordered two Softail Standards to beat around town with. (Not advocating taking advantage of the given situation but right now stealerships are bending over to move inventory)
Harley should do this with the sportster and knock the price down to 8k (what it’s actually worth)
I like it. The price is right and it looks pretty good.
Nice looking bike with the dual seat but I'd go for the standard Low Rider.
The first model Ts also had those color options...
I dig it. Here's the problem with new Harley's in the US, used Harley's in the US. In the 90's and early 2000's the company couldn't make enough bikes to meet demand and used ones were more than new ones in a lot of cases because there was waiting list to get a new one. Then around 2003 or so they started pumping out hundreds of thousands of Harley's and caught up to demand. Right now there are many nice later model low mile Harley's on the market for about half the price of this one.
Its a Street Bob with polished casings instead of black, Yokes not sure if they are polished or chrome, bars are chrome instead of black and has the Low Rider exhausts ( Not staggered style) . Good price for entry into the M8 engine range. comes with ABS in EU and UK Its £800 less than a Street Bob, and not much more than a 1200 Sportster that is going to be killed off soon. It will sell well to those wanting a cruiser style bike.
Wish it came with a full rear fender and mag wheels.
The price point seems good, but if you've ever bought or tried to buy a new Harley you know that by the time the dealer adds it's fees it's gonna be close to $15k before ttl.
Best comment on H D dealers I have seen … Just got a new Heritage ……… shit - dam fees !
That's a homerun Harley Davidson very cool bike
I'm liking mine! I dont care what anyone thinks! Soundbar, windshield, tall backrest, forward controls....ready to travel
iv been riding KAWASAKI for 40 yrs.never had a Harley..I'm definitely going to get this softail standard.! And I'm not having to ride a Sportster!!!!
Obviously its available with ABS in the EU. Compared to other HD models the price seems to be competitive.
Gordon X, it’ si sold on France, where ABS is mandatory!
from 125 cm3, any motorcycle sold new must be equipped with the ABS system !!
@@pedrolanevert
That's what I said. Everywhere the same in EU.
@@pedrolanevert
Sorry, now I know what you mean. I think he said its without ABS. If its sold in France it will be available in Germany too.
Thank you.
Harley is making a real bike with no fruit, it isn't a necessity and it takes away from what riding really is...
Harley is possibly like me, hoping that people still realise what riding is all about.
My only gripe is with all manufacturers, make the tank last 300+ klms already.
I made sure I bought a new cruiser before our laws here came into effect regarding abs etc.
A cruiser doesn't need all the electronic add-ons they're getting now, simple bike to enjoy the ride but keep you focused is what it's all about.
The more that vehicles do automatically the less people think while in control, and the less they learn about their vehicle, that's not a good thing.
Well done!
great video,the bike is about as exciting as a wet noodle. But your shirt is awesome.
Nice try I guess. But the Triumph Speedmaster is a much better choice for a cruiser and it comes with so much more for similar or less money.
It's too bad the Triumph doesn't come anywhere close to Harley Davidson in looks, history, reputation, and just overall total Badassery!!! Did I mention looks??
Sierra Tango have actually looked at a Speedmaster. Beautiful. And feature rich compared to a HD. Not to mention more horsepower.
It is called the Softail "Standard". That means no frills or extras. ABS is an option so, of course, it doesn't come "standard". (there's that word again) It is not the fault of H-D that Europe requires ABS. Remember, it IS available as an option. Those of us in the states have the ability to buy the "Standard" just as it is without the "options". See how that works? The price is $13,500 for the "Standard". That is not that an unreasonable "suggested" retail price and it won't be long until American buyers will be able to pick one of these up for a few dollars less. Some of us like "standard" bikes without any ABS, riding modes, or hi-tech screens. It should sell well over here.
I have a 2004 super glide, I paid 4 k . Looks just like it.
Technology is the opposite of manliness. The M8 is an animal. I dig it.
Cool, you dont need ABS or the other traction control. It's a cool ride.
Where is it made? US or that other place?... fire Dave !! My brother Dave needs a job....and you live way across the pond!!
In France, on the night of January 18 to 19, the Softail Standard, entry-level model of the Big Twins, took 1000 Euros!
1000 fucking Euros in a snap! 23h58: 13,750 €
12h01: 14,790 €
And that without the slightest modification or improvement on the bike, only because it replaces the Street Bob 107 in the lineup ... I was considering acquiring a Standard in 2021, I'm sick of it!
What Harley really need to do is produce a quality product. Better oil pump (Mk3 at the moment), stop the wet sumping. Transfer oil from gbox to primary case, their R&D needs to be overhauled desperately. It appears HD is mass producing as opossed to lean production. I've had 5 HD, all with major engine issues. Has the potential to be a great bike, but come on HD, get your act together....
Ski Japs make the best v twins ,more efficient and smoother engines and ultra reliable, I've always had a soft spot for Harleys but Í think they've had their day.
Why is the live wire $30k? Did someone at Harley Davidson set the price or did an oil company set that price???
I think they pulled the plug on it already
Why did they not make a blacked out version out of this as well. Yes I know the bob exists but the chrome just puts me off straight away. Otherwise a perfect canvas. 1k extra for blacked out sucks 😕 coastal package and blacked out for 14k and I would have purchased it straight away
I disagree with the statement about the monoshock handling better than the 2 shocks of old. The softail (monoshock) does not handle as well as the FX (twin shock) that they killed off 2 years ago. I'm not talking about the big bagger and fairing FL line, I'm talking about the FX line. With a few tweaks they handled very well. A good rider on a properly set up stock Low Rider or even plain Superglide would suprise the hell out of the sport bike crowd in the twisties. And like the rest of the bike world, if you went aftermarket then they could and did handle everything you could throw them into. The Softail line handles ok and the newest line handles better than my previous generation softail. You were close but slightly off in your comparison but I forgive you for believing the Motor Companies marketing department. As far as all the electronic nannies, I just bought my first ever new motorcycle. Its loaded with them. Yes they do what they claim but to be honest, I turn traction control or stability control off most of the time, and antilock stays on except for when on dirt. Then it's off. The bike handles very well, stops exceptionally well, and goes like a bat out of hell. However my favorite electronic gizmo is cruise control. As I'm sure you might have guessed, it is not a Harley, or Honda, or BMW. My first non Harley in over 40 years, and first new bike ever. I bought it because I want to go places My old Heritage wouldnt be comfortable going. Out in the desert or up in the mountains exploring and camping. I broke down and bought a KTM 790 Adventure. It is a fun fun bike. I cant wait for the first service so the rev limiter can be adjusted. That and a set of knobbies. Be safe and have fun.
This will not be sold in the european union? I'm in europe and its for sale on their site.
Hr Larsen, seen the softail Standard for sale on the French Harley website!
@@pedrolanevert Yeah same here in Denmark but he said it wont be sold? I'm going to buy this.
Think in Europe they want extra cash for the ABS...which is mandatory as we all know.
Think he said without ABS...thats why a lot of people thought its not available in Europe. Obviously not correct.
1st off.....oh no, are you kidding me? No ABS......🤬 And still too expensive. Come on Harley. Well hell, I own 1 so I can only hope they stay afloat. BTW thanks Dave, you are always a hoot !!! 👍🏼 😎 🌎 🇺🇸
I am not a Harley fan but I think it is a good idea... as for the standard model not having ABS, it is called natural selection.
This bike is for sale in Europe im looking at it for sale in the UK now. its £11000
Where's the kicker?
Isn3 the smallest Milwaukee engine the 883? (Just blame dave).
Frankly, i don't care about Harleys. But i do enjoy your channel whatsoever ;-)
I think it's a great idea. I hope they sell a million of them.
I think they would be better off selling the standard at a discount to attract any rider. :-)
In the H-D.com comparison page, it says the softail standard comes with ABS standard, while the street bob has it as an option for $800.
And the Standard is $1,000 less than the Street Bob.
That's why I sold the 05 I had, you seen one you've seen them all
You are supposed to make it unique yourself.
@@Dave-sw2dm yeah! Today they came out with a new pair of grips
@@lracrellim2711 , ha ha. Seriously though there is no other manufacturer that has aftermarket support like Harley. You can turn your bike into a scrambler or a chopper or anything in between.
@@Dave-sw2dm Dave ain't here!...... No you're right though. But as old age sets in you want to ride instead of wrench to change the looks... it's my opinion not a fact. But it did give you something to talk about.. LOL
lrac rellim , I understand. I have a Moto Guzzi in the garage. Many have never even heard of the brand that is close to celebrating 100 years of production from the same factory since 1921.
Not knowing about the coastal style... Sometimes people are slow about new styles and kind of riders.
I like it!!
HD rider are so good that they need no Rider Aids like ABS, Traction Control, Rider Modes etc.. :)
Certainly don't need traction control or ride modes, power is muted way down for such large displacement, I own 4 HD's but, mediocre performance was always known.
@@larryj8924 Mediocre performance is relative. It is mediocre if you compare ir to a sport bike, but that would be unfair, since sport bikes are made for circuits and cruisers for highways. They have entirely different purposes.
@@omarsalgado9715 Mediocre is subjective and HD's make a good all around touring machine, that's why I own several. Performance is on low end of scale for stock HD's. Sport bikes are seldom used for track circuits by most purchasers, but agree, not typically comparable to cruisers. Other touring highway bikes like Gold Wings, BMW RT 1250, Yamaha FJR, Indian Challenger and many others compete for high mileage road touring and have very high HP and performance compared to our HD's. Not saying HD's are bad, their just mediocre performance at best compared to higher teck bikes today. If noise was power, they win!
The street or road glides are touring not cruiser bikes.Soft tails are.
Yes, interesting bike given all of its parts are not completely blacked out and it offers a lower price of entry into the Harley Davidson family.
The 107 is NOT the smallest engine they offer, by far! It's pretty much their base motor for the softail family and their other big twin bikes.
Smallest big twin . Back in the day it was big twin and sportster and that was it , but they have different sizes of big twins , btw I can't believe how big motors are getting these days .
It would be fun this guy putting all kind of different wigs on doing these presentations
$13,500 a deal? It becomes even worse once you realize there's no passenger seat or pegs so that's extra $$ AND you have to pay another $800 for ABS.
Thank God they gave the boot to the CEO of harley last month bc there new line up sucks big time going with almost all softail frames that wasn't a very smart idea but will see won't we?
Harley
Just Does Not Get It !
It is economics , carbon footprint, and ability to do multiple rides on the same bike . Get the pricing down and they will forget about the other issues.
Street bob with chrome and a different finish...
I don't know anyone that wants polished parts on a bike with a MSRP in the mid to high teens.
Chrome street Bob
Well...at least Harley is making an effort at bringing the price down ( a little ) to open their bikes up to younger/ poorer riders. But not including ABS in the standard package is gonna end up bitting them in the ass I think. A little more for a little less would be noticed and appreciated by most. But we shall see.
For me, I don’t understand why going cheaper has to mean uglier for a company. I just don’t get it.?
NOOOOOO! Spend a little extra $$$ and get the Street Bob! Truly worth it.
Love the Harley sound, but for my money and safety I ride a Kawasaki. ABS, traction control, water cooled so my junk stays cool, oh yeah and not to mention the 0 to 60 speed, two up and hard side bags, large fairing and all this for $13k US.
I know I'm a life long Kawasaki guy .40 yrs..iv never had a Harley Davidson before.im on a ninja zx9r right now.but I'm definitely going to get the softail standard...
Looks like a large Sportster. No thanks. I'll stick with my Sporty.
A Dyna is a bigger Sportster. After riding a Softail I sold both my Sportys.
robin browne I agree with you, however, my Sportster is paid for and I love riding her. Not really wanting to put out $14k+ for a slightly larger bike. I do like the Softail Deluxe, but would buy a lightly used pre-owned bike vs new. Shiny side up!
Slightly larger bike.....lol
More colors like red blue yellow green
It's an attractive price for most of the European market, especially countries like mine, Portugal, where H-D are ridiculously expensive due to stupid engine size tax laws we have.
They're shooting themselves in the foot for not adapting it to the European market.
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While this bike looks like it belongs in a Jurassic Park movie, I like the traditional push rod engine much more that cheap elastic band valve train engines!
Thank you for not saying it's a blank canvas that you can make your own. The first accessory available should be a six gallon gas tank.why do they not promote the idea or image of people riding this thing lots of miles and as often as possible instead of pushing overpriced bolt on crap. I thought they wanted to build a army of RIDERS.
I would not characterize this as “sort of a Harley.” To my eyes, it’s a quintessential Harley. Too bad it’s not liquid-cooled. Liquid-cooling is the way to go, but Harley seems reluctant to embrace it. That’s disappointing. Nevertheless, if I was in the market for a new motorcycle and could afford the new Softail Standard, I’d seriously consider it. Not saying it would win the day, but I can’t help thinking that if I could afford one and passed on it, I’d kick myself later.
That is still a lot of money, you can buy a Kawasaki Vaquero totally laid out for 17 grand but that's still too much I could never pay that for a motorcycle something I can only ride because I can't stand the cold for five or six months. I like my 2004 Kawasaki Vulcan Nomad that I paid $5,200 for 5 years ago never a problem.
Yea finally because I am about to buy one and I don't roll with harley like that
Big news not everyone likes ABS! For you Nanny state Eu peeps guess you will have to shell out the xtra $. A good enrtry level big twin. Of course there are lots of cheaper options for the haters.
One of the first things I always notice when visiting the US are the warning labels on almost every device... E.g. don't dry your dog in the microwave...caution the coffee is hot etc. etc.
I then ask myself are they living in a nanny state?
Its all about the perspective 😉
Safe ride and have a nice day.
P.s: If we like or not, ABS is mandatory in the EU since 2017. So you have no choice.
13k?
R.I.P. Harley..
Pretty much. 13k gets you a lot from other manufacturers.
Yep, I bought one
Interested in buying one.Just wondering how you like it.
Good idea to offer "base" models, unfortunately HD Dealers will unrealistically mark up price turn a $13,500 bike into $15,500 very quickly due to greed. Sadly in bigger cities, especially the multi owned "chain" stores practice this m/up. We all understand tax, lic tags are standard cost requirement, but they also add Dealer mark up $1000+ & much more on touring models, $400+ freight, Dmv electronic Documentation fee's $500+ for simple computer processing. Turns an entry value bike into higher $$$ range quickly. Now days I look for used very low mileage bikes for many thousands less. Fair disclosure, Many other multi brand big chain dlrs do same thing.
Lmao Harley are clutching at straws and clearing out the parts bin I think .Failing to comply with tech requirements even at its most basic is going to cost them .They need a traditional bike Styling wise but packed with tech for younger purchasers .Topped off with a low price
Cheap Harley? A little redundant no?
God dam the Beamer is beautiful ps I DONT WANT ABS!!!! I WOULD STILL LIKE TORIDE A MOTORCYCLE.
You don't need ABS.