Netflix can't be held responsible for the real martha .. to be having a tweet on internet with a sentence that is also used in the serie baby reindeer... BTW she is a sociopath and a liar ... ( so you can't believe a word you spoke in the piers Morgan interview )
I would never take her case regardless of the money. I would be afraid she'd start stalking me. After seeing the show, there's not enough money in the world to invite that.
You can’t agree to a fee, sign a contract, go on a show… and then demand a 4,000 fold increase in your fee after the fact. Negotiate better in the future.
She didn't sign the contract. However the fee having been discussed and explained as non negotiable, her subsequently appearing on the show... Surmounts to a verbal contract. This is just a very damaged and dangerous narcissistic obsessive stalker, exposing just how true the depictions of her character are
Saw someone on TikTok making a video on how the story starts with ‘this is a true story’ and towards the end of the show you see Donny deleting his timeline police report and starting to write his story. We can see him typing ‘I felt sorry for her’ and then continuing to write the story. Now… when he is typing this, the sound of the keyboard and the font seem to be very similar to when we see it in the beginning of the episode ‘this is a true story’. This would mean that when we see this phrase in the beginning of the episodes, we are seeing Donny’s story, his true story. Not Richard Gadds. This would make sense as we are seeing a true story in the eyes of a fictional character - Donny I think people have just gone too literal with this whole thing. It’s a drama series.
I believe this would then make no case in court. But they would have to break down each bit of this to clarify what they mean. Which kind of breaks the magic of storytelling, foreshadowing, etc. This series was not a documentary, it’s a drama series. Otherwise they would have real names, including the main character. It’s a ‘true story’ for the character of Donny, inspired by true events of Gadds life
@@lynnybee6328 Every movie and television show has some form of that disclaimer at the end, non-fiction or fiction alike. Aware or not, it's clear that the story isn't 100% true, just look at Gadd's own name in the program
@@lynnybee6328 It doesn't matter in the slightest whether you or anyone else reads it. It is still there for legal reasons. And, yes, they know what they're doing. Pity those making inane comments here don't.
The “true” story is being told by Richard Gadd’s point of view. As the Queen has said “Recollections may vary”. Gadd can’t tell the story from her point of view.
Never would this be allowed if the genders were reversed Imagine a male tried to make money on his stalking he most likely would still be in jail for his original stalking crime This is disgraceful not only for Fiona but every person involved in making money from a meet n greet
This type of affirmations is dangerous. It stipulates that male stalker are taken more seriously by the police which is absolutely false. There are numerous cases of women being stalked by a stranger or ex spouses and boyfriend and in worst cases, even killed. In many of this cases, the police did nothing until the abuser harmed their victim. "Approximately 15% of women and 6% of men in the United States have ever experienced stalking." (CDC, 2014). This statement also completely ignores all the abusers in the public space who are free after confessing to horrible things to women (celebrities for exemple : C Lo Green, steve tyler, etc, etc). And most importantly, your statement completely ignores the heart of the subject that there are few laws that makes stalking a punishable offense in most countries
I, along with 10s of millions of ppl, would have no idea who this was based on, if she would've stayed quiet. She's loving this attention more than any amount of money. I'm sure she's scrolling thru SM all night and day.
I don't even have Netflix. I only know her from all the different videos about her. Piers Morgan interview... 😁👍... hhhhhhhhhhhhhh What a sociopath she is ....
Re the mental help, it's unlikely to help this thing. Most people with her issues believe everybody else is at fault and she's perfect. More likely she'll just go on being a dangerous and unreformed liar and stalker.
@@kathduncan9618 unfortunately, i agree. I don't believe ar her point, it is possible to rehabilitate properly. At a younger age and with psycho therapy and cognitive behavior therapy, i would have more hope. She needs mental help but most importantly, she need monitoring, like a probation officer
Sadly, victimhood pays well these days. Even false victimhood. I can’t imagine who in their right mind would want to meet her. But then again, even serial killers have groupies.
I find this oretty Bizzare at this point. If it was a woman who had been stalked and been through what she was accused of this would be a totally different story. But because of the narrative it's a money grabbing free for all. Regardless this is a serious situation and should be treated as such from both sides of the coin.
Hahaha NOPE!!! It's as though the meet and greet is to find candidates that would be good for stalking, like a dating round, but for stalkers and stalkeree's 😆
I watch true crime shows all day where people tell this types of story and nobody ever sympathizes with the stalker .It’s very unfair that he’s not able to tell his story if the roles were reversed people would try and have him arrested .
Basic lesson in deal making, negotiate BEFORE doing the appearance. She would have had a chance to negotiate more than the offered 250 quid but no chance now. 🤷♀️
Right. She's such a total fool. You can't force someone to pay something that wasn't part of the deal. Even if they had paid her NOTHING, she couldn't go back and demand money. She's a real peice of work and wants money SO BAD most likely becuase she's been unemployed from her "lawyer" profession for a long time.
Why shouldn’t she make some money from it? It’s not like she’s going to get rich from it. And everyone will have forgotten about her next week. If she has never been to jail or been convicted of a crime, Netflix should apologize and give her a generous fee.
No no no. If this was a man ppl woukd be hunting him with pitchforks. Imagine other stalkers getting the idea they can profit from their mental illnesses & crime? There was a reason OJ's book profits went to Nicole's family who donated it to charity. You cannot profit from crimes especially if you have not come clean about them.
Ha! When I heard the story originally took place at the Hawley arms pub in Camden, I thought it sounded familiar, and looked it up on Google maps. While looking at photos of the interior I saw a picture of myself standing at the bar. Guess I did know the place (spent one Christmas there when I was living in the UK).
I’m just surprised that people don’t know that movies that state that they are “based on actual events” are just that. They can use a story or true event as a base, and then exaggerate and elaborate as they want.
No one has a problem with that. Everyone understands that. Everyone! What they have a problem with is it saying THIS IS A TRUE STORY. You are "surprised" folks don't get how things are dramatized but WE dont get how you can watch a WHOLE video and still not understand the meat of the argument!
I don't think that's in question. It's literally why "celebrities" do appearances, and why venues book them. They both need publicity for the business models to operate The question is whether it's safe and ethical considering the nature of the TV show. Saying "has to be a publicity stunt" is about as poignant or useful as saying "I'm watching this on CZcams."
Good for her! He clearly exaggerated what she did to him and only an idiot wouldn’t know she’d be easy to find. Why should he get to make all of the money off of how he depicted her? She should get her bag too!
Yes she is guilty. Her interview was absolutely funny. She is a stalker they say. Apparently she took 1 initial out her name. What a vile woman she is. I believe she is a stalker. Fancy sitting at the bus stop all day. She is very creepy. I think the penny dropped when she rolled her eyes back at the emails. She has no boyfriend who's supposed to be a lawyer. She must be living in zippys world from rainbow
Why the hell is she doing a meet and greet??? The woman is a stalker not a celebrity. We have a really screwed up view of what constitutes a star these days. What next? Mark Chapman hosting his own chat show?
I agree that Netflix could have done better than placing their "This is fictionalised for dramatic effect" disclaimer at the end of the credits Netflix knows tends to get skipped automatically. To deny their existence and say that the "fictionalised" thing is new is disingenuous of ALL these reporters...
The only way we will know the real true story is by this going to court,showing the messages,tweets,letter whatever until then we will never know what's true and what isn't.We don't even know if this woman is really her,he didn't confirm it,she denied stalking him so is it even her?
The tweets are the most vital evidence. The show literally quoted her tweets word for word from her twitter account, thus how people found out who she is, thus evidence that will be admissible in court proving the show is actually about her.
Kasbahs have done similar things before and it all just a wind up however they go to far with it x She's an alleged danger to people that stalked someone....they need to stop
It's amazing to me.. that so many of you are getting all bent out of shape about whether Fiona really went to jail, like Martha did in _Baby Reindeer,_ all of ya's presuming that Fiona hasn't been to jail because Fiona said so on TV! Is it not conceivable that : • Fiona got a Suspended Sentence? (making neither Fiona nor Gadd to be "lying", technically speaking..) • or this Fiona is being pedantic between the words "jail" and "prison"..? Or even between "jail" and "gaol"..?! • or that she buried her criminal history in the name change she admits to!? • or that she has had more name changes than she admits...? • Or that the Judge gave her a conviction without a record, as they often do to first offenders...? • Or that Fiona is just _lying..._ and that the truth simply has not had a chance to be discovered yet ..?.
And I saw Richard say nothing happened to the real Martha. She did not go to jail for his stalking. We do not know if she was in jail for other things prior or after.
@@beewest5704he also said he has to be very careful with the wording legally becuz of what really was done to resolve it. I think he has a restraining order on her. She even says in the interview that she has all the courts' injunctions and stuff. So she WAS served something and likely knows that that will come up in a court hearing! She has SO MANY deceitful tendencies and is clearly very motivated about recieving money she has not earned. One should not get a pay day off of bad or criminal behavior.
The Coen Brothers put the same title card at the beginning of all their films/tv series ~ we all know it's a joke and like Reindeer, it CLEARLY says at the end that its based on but not 100% true. She WAS done for stalking in the past - MPs wife, over 10 years ago. She has history. BUT Netflix states very clearly at the end of every episode that it's fictional, based on true events, but not entirely. It's in black and white titling, in writing, so why is everyone carrying on about this? Fiona has no legal leg to stand on!!! This is typical internet bullshit! There is no case legally! Piers took a big gulp when she said there was only a year difference between them in age ~ odd thing to say, shows she's looked him up. Hope he doesn't have a busstop out front of his house. She is quite OBVIOUSLY mentally unstable. "If I DID send emails...." = 112 per day over a year ~ sure, that's normal. 🙄 Richatd can say as much as he wants that he was really fucked up. So what? Fiona didn't come out for OVER A DECADE about all this till she was attacked online by people "identifying her" that she HAD to say something. Silly her to trust Piers for a fair go, but we all make mistakes. Richard's telling a version of his life story, NEVER claiming anywhere that³³ it was all 100% true. Yes, Fiona IS mentally unstable, quite obviously. And Piers does what he always does - exploits vulnerable people for his personal gain ("of course I want clicks"). He doesnt care about either of them. The Netflix publicity office must be laughing at how easy this SHOW was to promote. She has to prove it was her, she's going to have to do complete disclosure. She can't have done very well at law studies lol 😂
The case being open and shut due to them saying "I wasn't talking about you" is not that simple. They would have to disclose to the court, whom the story is portraying. If they say its not portraying anyone real then the producers of Netflix that stated under oath in Parliament have now broken the law. The court can decide that just the fact its called baby reindeer and that she called him that as enough to conclude that it is about her. Its not very simple at all. She would not have to disclose everything if she didn't want to, just enough to suggest that its about her and they'd have to prove its not. English/Scottish courts are not very easy to play like that.
@@georgianna2319 That will have little to no impact as to whether they have defamed her not. If this is her, she was found in hours. So there is enough information for people to know its her negating the requirement to use her name. Is that the line? Can we say or portray whatever we like as long as you change the name? Libel doesn't work like that. If they have falsified information, The UK high court (as it is a civil matter) will tear them apart. :D
Ofc it is based on her when she tweeted the exact same tweets that were included in the series as well as the baby reindeer nickname which was a personal thing to her so there's no doubt about it being her so Netflix won't be able to claim its about someone else
If it was about rhe money for her, she wouldn't have done the Piers Morgan interview until she was offered $1 mil. She wanted the attention and to position herself near Gad
Netflix would have to provide information that Gadd gave them about the real stalker during disclosure. Gadd would also have to provide all the info he had too. They can't refuse if the Court directs them to disclose the info to Harvey's lawyers - that's contempt of court. They can't deny it is her at this point because they used her real tweets. Apparently the Netflix legal dept is supposed to he very good so it is baffling as to why "this is a true story" appears at the start, but the certain parts and characters have been fictionalized bit is at the end credits. The only defense for it I can think of (I'm not a lawyer) is the "d'uh" defense: Gadd didn't record every conversation so those parts are reconstructions based on his recollections, audiences know this, so there is an assumption that a reasonable person would understand that it cannot be a blow by blow retelling of the events. It's a weak argument tho. Netflix can throw Gadd under the bus and say they had no reason not to believe him. I don't think this will ever see the inside of a court. Harvey should be fearful of disclosure and what will be dug up from her past. Start taking bets on how many legal teams she gets thru. She might aim for a settlement but she likely would struggle to abide by any confidentiality clauses attached to it. She probably wants her own Netflix doc
Remember: in America we don’t care about slander so much anymore. Defamation is not a law suit, it’s a dollar amount. Netflix has little to lose but its own credibility.
Well, also she messed up by telling Piers the girl looks like her but then turnaround and say that she’s often mistaken for an actress that’s well known. So he can say, obviously there’s a lot of women that are short white and fat. Also, she said she never saw the show so then how could she say it’s based on her?
That's somebody with zero self respect and it's taken me by surprise. Does nobody else think that, if true, her acceptance of an invitation to do this probably immensely damaging to herself thing is indicative of a serious psychological issue? She's completely dissociated. This is way beyond naive. Has some shyster swooped in and offered to be her agent? Did the nightclub approach her directly? Does she imagine that by doing this she can find a bit of a silver lining? What the hell is she demanding money for? She must realise that it puts her in an extremely unsympathetic light. Did she want to save her name or did she want to ride the gravy train that is, probably, herself?
I think the Netflix series is dramatised and only based on some truths. It's not "a true story" like Richard claims to be. And can we all remember that this story has not been told only once it's been told and world wide published twice!!! So while fiano tried to move on with her life Richard is milking it making as much money as he can From what's happened. Everyone is pointing the finger at her but in actual fact Richard gabb is actually the one people should look more into.
It's his story to tell & I think ppl are now completely missing the point of the series. It's also about how s3xual abuse changes a person even males & their interactions with others opening them up to more abuse. It's about the disregard of male victims of stalking & s3xual assault by the authorities & society at large. It's about how systems fail ppl like Nartha to become deranged stalkers. And the importance of mental health. I doubt if genders were reversed you wouid say the same about " Martha".
@@beewest5704 you can make a film that's not based on facts doing all this yes I agree the message hes sending however.....it states "this is a true story" not "based" and what I'm saying is why is he doing this all over again telling the same story globally twice! Maybe more than twice we dont know if hes done it more than that.
But they can say they never named her and that they clearly put a disclaimer at the end saying names and events were fictionalised. Shes te only person saying she’s Martha.
I'm from Coventry, and Kasbah is actually for proper nittys. Ashamed to say it's the biggest night club we've got. With a brilliant design, but a horrible clientele
It is true she will need to come with some hard evidence but with her lawyer background a d lawyer bf, sure she have been advised kn that already?! If she is the one taking them to court, she will have to make sure the frame work is 100% backed up by proof and will be accepted by the court judge. If she hasn't got any of that, there is no case!!
@@yourfuturewaifu9061 ahh, I missed that part. It's too bad they didn't edit the tweets to keep her from being identified. Although, I do wonder if all this hype is planned by all parties. I guess we'll have to wait to see if that comes out.
I wonder how long it will take, or could it even happen, that something more 'state' visits her and encourages her to enter psychiatric therapy. I have a horrible feeling that the general public are tossing about possible reasons for her behavior, and there does seem to be something there, and yet nobody will go and get her into treatment. I'm guessing she has nobody close to her to urge her to talk to a psychiatrist about an obvious psychological issue. What will happen to her? What will happen to Richard? If this meet and greet event story is true - her mental state is rapidly degenerating. And now Richard Gadd must be in a state of shock watching all this unfold. Maybe, maybe not fully, worked through what happened between them years ago and now she's not only back on the scene but her bizarre degeneration is front page news. Would the Netflix series have been as popular if it hadn't been billed as a true story and if Richard Gadd hadn't been playing himself? Either of those things would have let the sleeping dogs lie. Would anybody have gone looking for the real Martha if it hadn't been so blatant? I believe she did what was portrayed. I also believe she is seriously deranged and probably has been for a long time. I don't think she's got any sort of grip on reality. She should have been in treatment. Even if you don't care if something extreme happened to her, in the past, to knock her into her deranged state - you must care about if the untreated Fiona will continue forming dangerous one-sided attachments to people?
I'm very much enjoying your breakdown of the Fiona Harvey / Baby Reindeer Clusterf*ck from here in Canada, Ben. I think you're kind of enjoying the approaching sh*tstorm this is going to turn into.
That meet and greet is not true. Why out of all the bars and city's in the country would it be some dive in Coventry. I still think she wants money out of this but I can't see how this is true
Based on my experience on dating a man from Coventry that sort of scuzzy behaviour from the night club sounds about right. (I’m sure there are great people in Coventry, I actually loved the city the three years I half lived there but from my experience it deserves it’s reputation as the most adulterous city in the uk).
She really is like if Farquad and Fiona has a kid named her Iphon* _(*You can't convince me that isn't her real name,... Why else would she have typed it at the end?)_
Can you blame her making money , he is so why not, I also think Richard has lied a lot also , he is simply not responding to Piers for a interview, why we wonder , time will see
Because gypsy rose was abused physically and medically her whole childhood. she's immature because she doesn't know how to be mature. Fiona is a grown woman.
@@fantasea114 so somebody being abused who kills someone in self defence is a bad person? What a ridiculous take on a matter that is extremely nuanced and complex. To boil it down to "she was convicted of murder therefor she is irredeemable " is grossly simplistic and shows you lack critical thought.
Every time I think I can move on, something new comes up 😂
Netflix can't be held responsible for the real martha .. to be having a tweet on internet with a sentence that is also used in the serie baby reindeer...
BTW she is a sociopath and a liar ... ( so you can't believe a word you spoke in the piers Morgan interview )
Same 😂!
I would never take her case regardless of the money. I would be afraid she'd start stalking me. After seeing the show, there's not enough money in the world to invite that.
Imagine being her lawyer! She’d tell you all her secrets, be vulnerable and then fall in love w/ you! I dunno, maybe.
She can’t even afford to be the burden that she is.
That’s the truth!
Big Bertha is dangerous 👹
And it’s just been revealed that she bombarded Kier Starmer (UK Labour leader) with hundreds of vile emails. 😬
What's worse are the fools who would pay to meet her...
I can't imagine. Who TF would EVER want to meet her?
She probably charges for a selfie too.
You can’t agree to a fee, sign a contract, go on a show… and then demand a 4,000 fold increase in your fee after the fact. Negotiate better in the future.
Yeah, imagine accepting £250. She only got to be the exclusive once, and she blew it.
@@MonkDave666 You'd think as a lawyer with a lawyer boyfriend and loads of lawyer friends, she would know better. Allegedly 😉
She didn't sign the contract. However the fee having been discussed and explained as non negotiable, her subsequently appearing on the show... Surmounts to a verbal contract.
This is just a very damaged and dangerous narcissistic obsessive stalker, exposing just how true the depictions of her character are
Saw someone on TikTok making a video on how the story starts with ‘this is a true story’ and towards the end of the show you see Donny deleting his timeline police report and starting to write his story. We can see him typing ‘I felt sorry for her’ and then continuing to write the story.
Now… when he is typing this, the sound of the keyboard and the font seem to be very similar to when we see it in the beginning of the episode ‘this is a true story’.
This would mean that when we see this phrase in the beginning of the episodes, we are seeing Donny’s story, his true story. Not Richard Gadds.
This would make sense as we are seeing a true story in the eyes of a fictional character - Donny
I think people have just gone too literal with this whole thing.
It’s a drama series.
I believe this would then make no case in court. But they would have to break down each bit of this to clarify what they mean. Which kind of breaks the magic of storytelling, foreshadowing, etc.
This series was not a documentary, it’s a drama series.
Otherwise they would have real names, including the main character.
It’s a ‘true story’ for the character of Donny, inspired by true events of Gadds life
@@DanielaRachel08agreed!!! They are being too literal!
She says its not her, so why is she going around doing cash grabs?
If they say the story isn't based in her she will flip and do everything to prove it was her......she will not want to be excluded and ignored.
It would genuinely be genius for him to make a statement that it isn’t her….just to get her to admit it publicly 😂😂😂
She'll be in the next I'm a celebrity or Big Brother.
Yep
I know right? Or Dancing With The Stars 😂
Definitely deemed unsafe , with Fiona on the prowl for a new victim to stalk
Goes back to her claim that Richard created Baby Reindeer for financial gain. Classic projection
I absolutely agree with you on what you said
There's a disclaimer at the end of the credits saying that events, names, and dialogue were changed or dramatized
Who watches a programmes credits right to the very end though, netflix definitely knew what they were doing.
@@lynnybee6328 Every movie and television show has some form of that disclaimer at the end, non-fiction or fiction alike. Aware or not, it's clear that the story isn't 100% true, just look at Gadd's own name in the program
@@lynnybee6328 that’s the take now? This stuff gets stupider and stupider with every update
@@lynnybee6328 It doesn't matter in the slightest whether you or anyone else reads it. It is still there for legal reasons. And, yes, they know what they're doing. Pity those making inane comments here don't.
@@snookoed Unless it's a documentary, even true stories are going to be embellished/dramatized to a certain extent
The “true” story is being told by Richard Gadd’s point of view. As the Queen has said “Recollections may vary”. Gadd can’t tell the story from her point of view.
How do you no ? Was you there ? No you say , well there is your answer 🫣
Never would this be allowed if the genders were reversed
Imagine a male tried to make money on his stalking he most likely would still be in jail for his original stalking crime
This is disgraceful not only for Fiona but every person involved in making money from a meet n greet
This type of affirmations is dangerous. It stipulates that male stalker are taken more seriously by the police which is absolutely false. There are numerous cases of women being stalked by a stranger or ex spouses and boyfriend and in worst cases, even killed. In many of this cases, the police did nothing until the abuser harmed their victim. "Approximately 15% of women and 6% of men in the United States have ever experienced stalking." (CDC, 2014).
This statement also completely ignores all the abusers in the public space who are free after confessing to horrible things to women (celebrities for exemple : C Lo Green, steve tyler, etc, etc).
And most importantly, your statement completely ignores the heart of the subject that there are few laws that makes stalking a punishable offense in most countries
That being said, i agree that this is disgraceful to every person involved in that circus
WT actual F??? Isn't that admission of guilt??? I thought she didn't watch the show...
I, along with 10s of millions of ppl, would have no idea who this was based on, if she would've stayed quiet. She's loving this attention more than any amount of money. I'm sure she's scrolling thru SM all night and day.
I don't even have Netflix.
I only know her from all the different videos about her.
Piers Morgan interview...
😁👍... hhhhhhhhhhhhhh
What a sociopath she is ....
I haven't even seen the movie yet!! I just watch all these talk post's!! I don't need to watch the movie!! This is more exciting!!😂
I really feel for anyone who has had to deal with a stalker in their lives! 😢 this story is nuts i hope she finds professional mental help 😳
Re the mental help, it's unlikely to help this thing. Most people with her issues believe everybody else is at fault and she's perfect. More likely she'll just go on being a dangerous and unreformed liar and stalker.
@@kathduncan9618 unfortunately, i agree. I don't believe ar her point, it is possible to rehabilitate properly. At a younger age and with psycho therapy and cognitive behavior therapy, i would have more hope.
She needs mental help but most importantly, she need monitoring, like a probation officer
Sadly, victimhood pays well these days. Even false victimhood. I can’t imagine who in their right mind would want to meet her. But then again, even serial killers have groupies.
She needs to pay me $1 million to have me watch this silly show about her
I find this oretty Bizzare at this point. If it was a woman who had been stalked and been through what she was accused of this would be a totally different story. But because of the narrative it's a money grabbing free for all. Regardless this is a serious situation and should be treated as such from both sides of the coin.
100% even worse it feels like she's being rewarded with attention
She couldn't have just stayed quiet?
She needs her 15 mins of fame to cash in then disappear back into the shadows!
Untreated NPDs can't bear the idea of not getting the attention they feel they are entitled to.
Why would she?
Im still never gonna get over how full of yourself you gotta be to invite this woman on your show to speak.
If the stalking started with a cup of tea there ain't no way a meet and greet is a good idea 😂
Hahaha NOPE!!! It's as though the meet and greet is to find candidates that would be good for stalking, like a dating round, but for stalkers and stalkeree's 😆
I watch true crime shows all day where people tell this types of story and nobody ever sympathizes with the stalker .It’s very unfair that he’s not able to tell his story if the roles were reversed people would try and have him arrested .
I'm sure Martha will sue this club.
Basic lesson in deal making, negotiate BEFORE doing the appearance. She would have had a chance to negotiate more than the offered 250 quid but no chance now. 🤷♀️
Right. She's such a total fool. You can't force someone to pay something that wasn't part of the deal. Even if they had paid her NOTHING, she couldn't go back and demand money. She's a real peice of work and wants money SO BAD most likely becuase she's been unemployed from her "lawyer" profession for a long time.
Why shouldn’t she make some money from it? It’s not like she’s going to get rich from it. And everyone will have forgotten about her next week. If she has never been to jail or been convicted of a crime, Netflix should apologize and give her a generous fee.
No no no. If this was a man ppl woukd be hunting him with pitchforks. Imagine other stalkers getting the idea they can profit from their mental illnesses & crime? There was a reason OJ's book profits went to Nicole's family who donated it to charity. You cannot profit from crimes especially if you have not come clean about them.
She was asked to do this by said club. Wrong to play on this. Glad it was cancelled.
Ha! When I heard the story originally took place at the Hawley arms pub in Camden, I thought it sounded familiar, and looked it up on Google maps. While looking at photos of the interior I saw a picture of myself standing at the bar. Guess I did know the place (spent one Christmas there when I was living in the UK).
I’m just surprised that people don’t know that movies that state that they are “based on actual events” are just that. They can use a story or true event as a base, and then exaggerate and elaborate as they want.
No one has a problem with that. Everyone understands that. Everyone! What they have a problem with is it saying THIS IS A TRUE STORY.
You are "surprised" folks don't get how things are dramatized but WE dont get how you can watch a WHOLE video and still not understand the meat of the argument!
Poor woman got sent to Coventry.
Has Gadd confirmed that Fiona is Martha?
Has to be a publicity stunt.
The ad for the Kasbah club looks too funny.
I don't think that's in question. It's literally why "celebrities" do appearances, and why venues book them. They both need publicity for the business models to operate The question is whether it's safe and ethical considering the nature of the TV show. Saying "has to be a publicity stunt" is about as poignant or useful as saying "I'm watching this on CZcams."
Good for her! He clearly exaggerated what she did to him and only an idiot wouldn’t know she’d be easy to find. Why should he get to make all of the money off of how he depicted her? She should get her bag too!
I knew it, she was really just out for the money, I thought this before she demanded 1 million.
shes so guilty
Yes she is guilty. Her interview was absolutely funny. She is a stalker they say. Apparently she took 1 initial out her name. What a vile woman she is. I believe she is a stalker. Fancy sitting at the bus stop all day. She is very creepy. I think the penny dropped when she rolled her eyes back at the emails. She has no boyfriend who's supposed to be a lawyer. She must be living in zippys world from rainbow
Well, organizing a meet and greet with an allegedly very dangerous stalker, nothing to see here...
Why the hell is she doing a meet and greet??? The woman is a stalker not a celebrity. We have a really screwed up view of what constitutes a star these days. What next? Mark Chapman hosting his own chat show?
Oh Fiona, you're so David Brent.
Richard Gadd probably knew she would love this and want to be famous, that’s why he didn’t want people to look for her
I agree that Netflix could have done better than placing their "This is fictionalised for dramatic effect" disclaimer at the end of the credits Netflix knows tends to get skipped automatically. To deny their existence and say that the "fictionalised" thing is new is disingenuous of ALL these reporters...
How can you say it's not based on her! The character is her twin!
The only way we will know the real true story is by this going to court,showing the messages,tweets,letter whatever until then we will never know what's true and what isn't.We don't even know if this woman is really her,he didn't confirm it,she denied stalking him so is it even her?
The tweets are the most vital evidence. The show literally quoted her tweets word for word from her twitter account, thus how people found out who she is, thus evidence that will be admissible in court proving the show is actually about her.
Kasbahs have done similar things before and it all just a wind up however they go to far with it x She's an alleged danger to people that stalked someone....they need to stop
It's amazing to me.. that so many of you are getting all bent out of shape about whether Fiona really went to jail, like Martha did in _Baby Reindeer,_ all of ya's presuming that Fiona hasn't been to jail because Fiona said so on TV!
Is it not conceivable that :
• Fiona got a Suspended Sentence? (making neither Fiona nor Gadd to be "lying", technically speaking..)
• or this Fiona is being pedantic between the words "jail" and "prison"..? Or even between "jail" and "gaol"..?!
• or that she buried her criminal history in the name change she admits to!?
• or that she has had more name changes than she admits...?
• Or that the Judge gave her a conviction without a record, as they often do to first offenders...?
• Or that Fiona is just _lying..._ and that the truth simply has not had a chance to be discovered yet ..?.
And I saw Richard say nothing happened to the real Martha. She did not go to jail for his stalking. We do not know if she was in jail for other things prior or after.
@@beewest5704he also said he has to be very careful with the wording legally becuz of what really was done to resolve it. I think he has a restraining order on her. She even says in the interview that she has all the courts' injunctions and stuff. So she WAS served something and likely knows that that will come up in a court hearing! She has SO MANY deceitful tendencies and is clearly very motivated about recieving money she has not earned. One should not get a pay day off of bad or criminal behavior.
The Coen Brothers put the same title card at the beginning of all their films/tv series ~ we all know it's a joke and like Reindeer, it CLEARLY says at the end that its based on but not 100% true. She WAS done for stalking in the past - MPs wife, over 10 years ago. She has history. BUT Netflix states very clearly at the end of every episode that it's fictional, based on true events, but not entirely. It's in black and white titling, in writing, so why is everyone carrying on about this? Fiona has no legal leg to stand on!!! This is typical internet bullshit! There is no case legally! Piers took a big gulp when she said there was only a year difference between them in age ~ odd thing to say, shows she's looked him up. Hope he doesn't have a busstop out front of his house. She is quite OBVIOUSLY mentally unstable. "If I DID send emails...." = 112 per day over a year ~ sure, that's normal. 🙄 Richatd can say as much as he wants that he was really fucked up. So what? Fiona didn't come out for OVER A DECADE about all this till she was attacked online by people "identifying her" that she HAD to say something. Silly her to trust Piers for a fair go, but we all make mistakes. Richard's telling a version of his life story, NEVER claiming anywhere that³³ it was all 100% true. Yes, Fiona IS mentally unstable, quite obviously. And Piers does what he always does - exploits vulnerable people for his personal gain ("of course I want clicks"). He doesnt care about either of them. The Netflix publicity office must be laughing at how easy this SHOW was to promote. She has to prove it was her, she's going to have to do complete disclosure. She can't have done very well at law studies lol 😂
The show says
This is a true story Donny Dunn
Not Richard Gad!
This woman gives me Ngozi Fulani (aka Marlene Headley) vibes.
The case being open and shut due to them saying "I wasn't talking about you" is not that simple. They would have to disclose to the court, whom the story is portraying. If they say its not portraying anyone real then the producers of Netflix that stated under oath in Parliament have now broken the law.
The court can decide that just the fact its called baby reindeer and that she called him that as enough to conclude that it is about her. Its not very simple at all. She would not have to disclose everything if she didn't want to, just enough to suggest that its about her and they'd have to prove its not.
English/Scottish courts are not very easy to play like that.
They never used her real name
@@georgianna2319 That will have little to no impact as to whether they have defamed her not. If this is her, she was found in hours. So there is enough information for people to know its her negating the requirement to use her name. Is that the line? Can we say or portray whatever we like as long as you change the name?
Libel doesn't work like that. If they have falsified information, The UK high court (as it is a civil matter) will tear them apart. :D
She needs money as her case will lose and she needs money to hide for a bit after
You know this was viral marketing to get mugs to talk about it spread the word about the nightclub ?
Ofc it is based on her when she tweeted the exact same tweets that were included in the series as well as the baby reindeer nickname which was a personal thing to her so there's no doubt about it being her so Netflix won't be able to claim its about someone else
But she can’t do that meet n great… “Marty” is not her… didn’t she say that!? How can she go and usurp someone else!?!?
Martha Scott - female first name, male surname
Fiona Harvey - female first name, male surname
It’s based on her
If it was about rhe money for her, she wouldn't have done the Piers Morgan interview until she was offered $1 mil. She wanted the attention and to position herself near Gad
Netflix would have to provide information that Gadd gave them about the real stalker during disclosure. Gadd would also have to provide all the info he had too. They can't refuse if the Court directs them to disclose the info to Harvey's lawyers - that's contempt of court. They can't deny it is her at this point because they used her real tweets.
Apparently the Netflix legal dept is supposed to he very good so it is baffling as to why "this is a true story" appears at the start, but the certain parts and characters have been fictionalized bit is at the end credits. The only defense for it I can think of (I'm not a lawyer) is the "d'uh" defense: Gadd didn't record every conversation so those parts are reconstructions based on his recollections, audiences know this, so there is an assumption that a reasonable person would understand that it cannot be a blow by blow retelling of the events. It's a weak argument tho. Netflix can throw Gadd under the bus and say they had no reason not to believe him.
I don't think this will ever see the inside of a court. Harvey should be fearful of disclosure and what will be dug up from her past. Start taking bets on how many legal teams she gets thru. She might aim for a settlement but she likely would struggle to abide by any confidentiality clauses attached to it. She probably wants her own Netflix doc
*There's a lot of money grabbing scandals going around".... Like everyone posting a you tube vid to make money... define irony?!
Spot on .
There's a difference between a money grabbing scandal and someone making a video on current affairs. Get a grip
There's no difference. he's exploiting a situation to make money.
There IS a difference between the two instances. Nobody's fault that you can't tell them apart.
Makes you wonder how much she's diving into the comment section of these coverage videos 😮 I'm scared she'd target us
Remember: in America we don’t care about slander so much anymore. Defamation is not a law suit, it’s a dollar amount. Netflix has little to lose but its own credibility.
Well, also she messed up by telling Piers the girl looks like her but then turnaround and say that she’s often mistaken for an actress that’s well known. So he can say, obviously there’s a lot of women that are short white and fat. Also, she said she never saw the show so then how could she say it’s based on her?
It’s a pity that her antics overshadow the SA storyline.
That's somebody with zero self respect and it's taken me by surprise. Does nobody else think that, if true, her acceptance of an invitation to do this probably immensely damaging to herself thing is indicative of a serious psychological issue? She's completely dissociated. This is way beyond naive. Has some shyster swooped in and offered to be her agent? Did the nightclub approach her directly? Does she imagine that by doing this she can find a bit of a silver lining? What the hell is she demanding money for? She must realise that it puts her in an extremely unsympathetic light. Did she want to save her name or did she want to ride the gravy train that is, probably, herself?
Her nephew says she did 4 months for it under a different last name.
Hoax
Heard he was found out to not know her.
GENIUS DEFENSE POINT AT 9:27, SO TRUE!!
Who says hang your curtains
Is that a British slang? Or a Camden expression? Sounds like something our nans or grandparents would say. Haha 😆
Good points!
a very good point about the defemation case
Her tweets are literally lines from the show. I am pretty sure she has a case tbh.
Then you don’t understand how the law works.
@@Lollipop_Lexi Okay Judge Judy.
I think the Netflix series is dramatised and only based on some truths. It's not "a true story" like Richard claims to be. And can we all remember that this story has not been told only once it's been told and world wide published twice!!! So while fiano tried to move on with her life Richard is milking it making as much money as he can From what's happened. Everyone is pointing the finger at her but in actual fact Richard gabb is actually the one people should look more into.
It's his story to tell & I think ppl are now completely missing the point of the series. It's also about how s3xual abuse changes a person even males & their interactions with others opening them up to more abuse. It's about the disregard of male victims of stalking & s3xual assault by the authorities & society at large.
It's about how systems fail ppl like Nartha to become deranged stalkers. And the importance of mental health.
I doubt if genders were reversed you wouid say the same about " Martha".
@@beewest5704 you can make a film that's not based on facts doing all this yes I agree the message hes sending however.....it states "this is a true story" not "based" and what I'm saying is why is he doing this all over again telling the same story globally twice! Maybe more than twice we dont know if hes done it more than that.
It is not her..they want to cash in on it. She isnt doin anything but trying to sue Netflix
Nope, Netflix can't say it just wasn't her. because she has already said that the name Baby Reindeer came from her.
But they can say they never named her and that they clearly put a disclaimer at the end saying names and events were fictionalised. Shes te only person saying she’s Martha.
Nah, the fact they used the mp situation in there alone is enough to prevent them from doing so.
She may as well try to make some extra money 😂 She's famous now
I'm from Coventry, and Kasbah is actually for proper nittys. Ashamed to say it's the biggest night club we've got. With a brilliant design, but a horrible clientele
What the fucks a nitty? 🤣
To be honest she should have asked for more money like 2.5k at least
It is true she will need to come with some hard evidence but with her lawyer background a d lawyer bf, sure she have been advised kn that already?! If she is the one taking them to court, she will have to make sure the frame work is 100% backed up by proof and will be accepted by the court judge.
If she hasn't got any of that, there is no case!!
I'm definitely not in her court, but didn't early sleuths find her based on tweets that matched the Netflix release?
That's the story. The misspellings were what made her relatively easy to find.
@@yourfuturewaifu9061 ahh, I missed that part. It's too bad they didn't edit the tweets to keep her from being identified. Although, I do wonder if all this hype is planned by all parties. I guess we'll have to wait to see if that comes out.
I wonder how long it will take, or could it even happen, that something more 'state' visits her and encourages her to enter psychiatric therapy. I have a horrible feeling that the general public are tossing about possible reasons for her behavior, and there does seem to be something there, and yet nobody will go and get her into treatment. I'm guessing she has nobody close to her to urge her to talk to a psychiatrist about an obvious psychological issue. What will happen to her? What will happen to Richard? If this meet and greet event story is true - her mental state is rapidly degenerating.
And now Richard Gadd must be in a state of shock watching all this unfold. Maybe, maybe not fully, worked through what happened between them years ago and now she's not only back on the scene but her bizarre degeneration is front page news.
Would the Netflix series have been as popular if it hadn't been billed as a true story and if Richard Gadd hadn't been playing himself? Either of those things would have let the sleeping dogs lie. Would anybody have gone looking for the real Martha if it hadn't been so blatant?
I believe she did what was portrayed. I also believe she is seriously deranged and probably has been for a long time. I don't think she's got any sort of grip on reality. She should have been in treatment. Even if you don't care if something extreme happened to her, in the past, to knock her into her deranged state - you must care about if the untreated Fiona will continue forming dangerous one-sided attachments to people?
I'm very much enjoying your breakdown of the Fiona Harvey / Baby Reindeer Clusterf*ck from here in Canada, Ben. I think you're kind of enjoying the approaching sh*tstorm this is going to turn into.
That meet and greet is not true. Why out of all the bars and city's in the country would it be some dive in Coventry. I still think she wants money out of this but I can't see how this is true
Wouldn’t be nice to see in the Next SAW horror movie Fiona having a lesson?🤪😢🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
She's making a new movie!!
Can this actually be real?
Based on my experience on dating a man from Coventry that sort of scuzzy behaviour from the night club sounds about right. (I’m sure there are great people in Coventry, I actually loved the city the three years I half lived there but from my experience it deserves it’s reputation as the most adulterous city in the uk).
Take a chance on maybe making a friend for life!
The baby reindeer show was rubbish, however watching Fiona is a hoot.
Is this the in place to be?
Only the UK can turn a crazy stalker into a celebrity!
Not just the UK can do that.
Why did she change her surname from Muir?
It was double barrelled, previously... Muir-Harvey
(that's what she said on PM, anyway)
She really is like if Farquad and Fiona has a kid named her Iphon*
_(*You can't convince me that isn't her real name,... Why else would she have typed it at the end?)_
She's gonna come for your videos next!
Haven’t her Facebook posts come up now?
Can you blame her making money , he is so why not, I also think Richard has lied a lot also , he is simply not responding to Piers for a interview, why we wonder , time will see
Mate, seriously, have some critical thinking skills. The nightclub has clearly done this for publicity.
He literally said that is what is being hypothesised.
He knows
i'm dj at kasbah lol
No way 😂😂
@@SimplySaid_ as far asI know she was booked.
Think it`s funny mate😛
You need to pause the video and talk more or they will copyright strike you every time. I MOD for Legal Vices
Let the girl make some money
This is clearly a spoof
if they accept gypsy rose, why not HER >>>> drop the MIC
Because gypsy rose was abused physically and medically her whole childhood. she's immature because she doesn't know how to be mature. Fiona is a grown woman.
@@chaosspy6723Gypsy still committed murder in the second degree. She's a bad person and shouldn't be idolised.
Are you serious?
You're fucking ridiculous. The two are nothing alike.
@@fantasea114 so somebody being abused who kills someone in self defence is a bad person?
What a ridiculous take on a matter that is extremely nuanced and complex.
To boil it down to "she was convicted of murder therefor she is irredeemable " is grossly simplistic and shows you lack critical thought.