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If that's the case, won't it be much more harmful keeping this video up considering that the said nephew isn't actually telling the truth about Harvey?
They’re both at fault lol the world isn’t black or white. Richard played into her feelings for him and enjoyed the attention and even at one point tried to get her to do something just so that he’d go to the police and say look what she sent me! And she’s a stalker who doesn’t know how to stop They both are narcs
I don’t know him, I met him a few times. He asked me to sleep with him, I think he is a homosexual. I don’t know his address. I sent him one letter. I didn’t send 41,000 emails but even if I did, it wouldn’t matter because I didn’t do this other thing. I never left voice messages, if he has over 100 voicemail messages then he must have been taping me covertly on the few occasions I was in the bar. I have a photographic memory, I can’t remember my marks in law school. It seems the argument they are making is that Netflix and the actor said it was a true story, but some details might have been embellished or just weren’t true. Gadd didn’t make himself out to be a oh poor me, this person did all this to me for absolutely no reason, I was a completely innocent victim. He was honest about his own poor decisions with regard to substances being abused and being complicit in part by leading her on. If I never engaged in this type of behavior and I saw a show depicting that behavior, I wouldn’t think, hey they are talking about me.
One thing I noticed was, re the voicemails, recording conversations in a bar isn't the same thing. When Piers Morgan asked her about the 350 voicemails, she said that he could've only got those by recording her when she was in the pub. That's not a voicemail.
Come on!!! This is not speaking out. This is a rewrite to make money. It's been taken to Netflix and taken up and then made into entertainment!!! Making him zillions of $$$$
@@MaryBywaters here's the thing "Mary,"there are two last taboos. One is maternal sa against female children, the other, women commiting sa and stalking against men. The take away? Women can be just as dangerous as men, but very few people believe their victims.
@@MaryBywaters Zillions of dollars? Drop the hyperbole and grow up. Gadd has every right to tell his story. Male SA victims aren't taken seriously to a scary extent and your attitude proves that point.
@@MaryBywaters So he's not allowed to speak publicly about his abuse? Because he will make zillions from talking about it? Would you say the same thing to Cheryl Araujo, the woman who was gang raped in 1983 and the movie The Accused was made based on her case? Would you?
She didn’t open a can of worms….Richard gadd did. He has thrust her into the limelight without her consent. Only an idiot would have thought that the media stalkers wouldn’t stalk out the stalker. It’s all very Jeremy Kyle and I fear it might not end well for this unwell lady. Sad!
@@user-if6hf7ky1tHow? Did he gave her real name? All this is only speculation until facts and proof will be disclosed in court,if it will happen. Fiona contacted Piers herself,she wasn’t called out
If I had been wrongly accused of stalking like she says, the last thing I would do would go on TV with Piers Morgan (or anyone else). I would have got my evidence together quietly, got myself a good lawyer and sued Netflix for millions. She went to law school so she knows this too. She comes across as a fruit loop.
Exactly and 100 percent . The fact is this lady was NOT wrongly accused of stalking . There is evidence that she … or someone who mightily resembles her and appears to curiously share her name … or perhaps has assumed her name … is a stalker and has stalked both Richard Gadd and others . There seems to be plenty of evidence and the more one looks the more one uncovers . If there was no evidence that Gadds story was true and in fact evidence to the contrary that he had implicated this woman in a story which implied she had stalked and harassed him then that would count as defamation and damages would be payable
Did she actually go to law school cause the way she was explaining her degree was crazy lol like he was clearly asking what class her degree was and she didn't even know 😂
Six days ago she posted that getting her hair styled for the piers Morgan interview was the best part of her experience and she felt like a princess for a second. Omg
Just want to point out something, if Fiona did get sentenced for 9 months, she very easily could have been released early. 4 - 4 1/2 months served makes total sense.
In the States you can appeal to the Court to have your records sealed or expunged. I assume there is a similar process for non violent crimes in Britain.
I definitely am unfamiliar with legal matters overseas. I'm a psych nurse in the US and should have thought more about this. Some people in the state I work in, will get sentenced to a mental health facility once evaluated. I believe Richard came out and said all the numbers of email, texts, etc were correct, but he did not know if fiona was ever given a sentence.
While this is true I do believe the level of attention this has received would also make this incredibly hard for this particular stalker. It has led to other victims of hers also coming out to corroborate that she stalked them as well. Many people are unable to obtain a restraining order or order for protection and have the means to get on a plane and just leave the country and Richard Gadd seems to have enough means and publicity where this would not be the case.
How would the actress be able to play Fiona so well if none of this happened? She would have had to have heard voice mails and read emails etc …. Or else it’s a pretty crazy coincidence that she just happened to play her so accurately…. The only difference is the actress is way, way less hard on the eyes.
Piers asked her if Gaad ever gave her free drinks at the bar, she said "no, never. Nobody gets free drinks at the bar" BUT just before she went to be Interviewed by Peirs she posted on Facebook that Gaad was always giving her free drinks 😂
Hes casted a good light on it, one u think that is very needed. It's not talked about enough or seen as as much of a threat as when men stalk women. It happens and being stalked is no fun, no matter the gender of the victim. Sent from my IPhone.
She would have a good case against Netflix for sure, since they did not carry out their duty of care to a real person portrayed in a 'based on true events' 'true story' program. Regardless of whether she went to prison (and, by the way, the lawyer who originally accused her of stalking behaviour stated quite categorically that Muir was never prosecuted, though she confirmed Fiona is capable of stalking and threatening beaviour), or did all the things of which she's been accused, that doesn't negate Netflix's duty of care to protect those portrayed in such a show. Guilt doesn't negate that.
Regardless of her actions, RG said he felt she was mentally I’ll and didn’t want to ruin her life. He definitely could have tried harder to conceal her identity. Internet sleuths go hard and I’m sure he knows this. As messed up as the things she did was I don’t think she deserves to be publicly attacked by the whole world. I don’t like this type of ganging up on people. It’s fascinating and people can’t help but be curious, but I just feel like this is wrong. She’s not going to be able to find work, she could lose her home. People won’t want to to rent to her. RG stated that in real life he didn’t press charges because he felt bad for her, but I think a few months in prison would have been better than a world wide witch hunt.
I have a family member who is everything that Fiona is. She was more than difficult to deal with throughout my childhood and adult life, but because I know she is broken I just tried to do my best to stay away from her. I do have to state that both she and I went through severe psychological abuse from our elders throughout our childhood. In my case, I just became the next wounded guy, but in her case she chose a darker road of denial and emotional destruction. To this day, though I still want to protect her, even though I live on the other side of the country from her. Even though I suffered horribly because of the things that she says, I still feel very bad about the fact that I know what she went through as a child. I know exactly why she is the way she is and to be completely honest I can’t blame her for her broken nature. I need to add something. The idea that this person needs treatment or help in order to deal with their childhood issues is incorrect. There is no helping this person to think or feel any differently about the fact that they were treated in an inhuman manner as a young person. There’s no repairing the damage that was done to them from childhood until adulthood. my family member won’t ever seek help or acknowledge that there’s a problem to seek help for. I want to point out that to the average casual acquaintance it doesn’t seem like there’s anything wrong with my family member but as soon as you begin to get to know them personally, you slowly realize there is a larger problem.
Listen.. i was tortured as a child.. abused by a man gor 10 years.. i suffer a great deal physically and emotionally.. im now almost 50.. but let me tell you.. if someone acts inappropriately thats a choice.. stop using their past as an excuse for how they act!! I am NOTHING like i was raised or treated thru out life because i made a choice not to be like those who hurt me.. So stop it.
I am deeply sympathetic to you and your family members who endured abuse, but to say there is no help is an absolute cope out. NO AMOUNT OF ABUSE that was committed on a person is an excuse to physically, emotionally, and / or spiritually harm another or to behave inappropriately. One must acknowledge their problems in order to repair themselves, and it sounds like you acknowledge that their was harm done that causes bad behavior. I hope that you and your family can get some help and heal from your trauma. 🙏
The way she thought about the dates when watching the court clip from Baby Reindeer made me think she was lying because it was almost as if she was weighing up whether or not to call out the wrong amount of time/dates mentioned, or just to keep flat out denying it happened. 😂 Watch her face, she doesn’t even need words.
All this drama only shows us that absolutely no one watches the credits because if they did they would've seen at the end were they state names, places , events may have been fictionalized for the movie.
Yeah I mean its after each episode and even before the show starts it says so… I don’t understand how people skipped these parts. I saw them and I’m not even the person that usually reads credits but it was a simple sentance at the beginning and it was there after each episode…
I think it’s important to take stock of the fact that she states “he initiated the conversation” - In the show he talks about this first moment but either way, it’s his job to “start a conversation”. So in the event that she is mentally ill and not exactly in tune with reality, him approaching her and tending to her (his job) may feel like special attention, to her
Of course. And I think Gadd does a really good job of looking at his own behaviour and seeing how he may have contributed to his victimisation. I think it's really important to show that there is no such thing as a perfect victim. He really looks into himself and shows huge empathy to her.
its like the ending of baby raindeer where he realizes that just because he offered her a cup of tea out of kindness and started a converstaion, it didn't mean he gave way for the stalking, he was just a victim of circumstance initially
@@hsanchezisidora Wasn't the end saying that this really isn't a true story? Not in those exact words but more or less saying lots of this stuff that you just watched didn't really happen and we don't really care who we railroaded or threw under the bus--
@@coralieelliott2076 Good point that they put that caveat in to protect themselves from embellishment or writing a story around or on top of the reality. How much of it is the however many million dollar question here. And the fact that they don't care. And Fiona makes the point that they are making a sht load of money out of it. Perhaps said bar keep has a good nose for a good story. Hmmm.
He initiated the conversation. . . "Welcome to Pub. You look like you had a rough day, can I get you a cup of tea?" When you work with mentally ill people or hear them talk about everyday interactions and the Cognitive Distortions they see the world through it can be difficult for a healthy person to imagine that another person would interpret that event as more meaningful or having such a different connotation than it actually did. Some mental illnesses affect only 1% or 2% of the population so if that interaction had happened with 99 other people it would have not been seen through such a distorted view and that individual may still have not had the level of distortions that this woman does.
I checked out her Facebook page and the amount of spelling mistakes she has matches to the spelling mistakes in the show. She has endless posts in a space of two days.she definitely has obsessive behaviours
@@lulunz6809 it's a function of a personality disorder, which her interview gives off many examples of behaviours that would fall under those. I've treated many people over the years and recognize her definitely in that group of disorders.
Baby Raindeer deeply disturbed me, this guy was abused and the deeply painful part for me was seeing how incompetent the police were at protecting him and bringing him justice.
@@petep4peacethat doesn't mean that he's not a victim! Jesus Christ, no one is perfect and your nonchalant attitude is a slap in the face to survivors. There's no such thing as a perfect victim and Gadd didn't deserve what happened to him.
Ffs! We all have the means to educate ourselves but some people refuse to do it. Read about the Shana Grice case before you embarass yourselves with your victim blaming comments - police held the same views as some people here to the point that she felt unable to seek help again and her stalker caused her the ultimate harm 😢
I have been stalked and have done things to try to get the stalker to leave me alone so what Gadd did like walking the stalker home is a way to try to get the stalker to leave him alone and also feel sorry for the stalkers. We know it is bad but we try everything to get the stalkers to leave us alone.
The man in the video is Professor David Wilson, renound Criminologist/Criminal Profiler. He knows his stuff and he's had TV series on the BBC before where he has looked at cases, interviewed those accused of murders and the like - if they agreed to be interviewed and flat out told them that after revisiting evidence and statements, he thinks they are guilty ... right to their faces. Fascinating. Very, very interesting man.
I think a lot of “Martha’s” POV and experience WAS depicted in Baby Reindeer; not just Donny’s. Which makes her a sympathetic character despite her behavior. I feel it was quite balanced despite it’s being Donny’s story. It’s in the writing and of course in the multi-layered unbelievably beautiful portrayal of Martha on the part of the actress. I felt most for her when we could see her apartment, when Donny took her home during her catatonic phase and then of course when she was on trial. The true villain is that guy who promised to help Donny launch his career, plied him with drugs and sexually abused him.
@@tur74d56he did not claim all those things happened just they way the filmed them… you guys act as if the a story wasn’t told for entertainment purposes…. It was sensationalized and what not….
I felt uneasy watching the interview... She needs help, something is off.. I'm a child behavior specialist, definitely a personality disorder, grandeur etc ...
@@user-ti8my1rc9k well no. Not all stalkers have NPD. Not all people with NPD are stalkers. You don't know enough about her or personality disorders to diagnose her with one.
I'm not sure you understood the criminologist's words. He didn't want to sound blunt, so you didn't get what he he says, stalkers are too dangerous to turn them into mockery objects. they are vengeful, they attack and also k.i.l.l, in case you haven't found out yet. He is warning the public.. Most people, like yourself, think well trained criminologists don't know enough of their trade. They DO. And this lady is very dangerous. I'm a researcher myself. There was a particular inmate in my country that I interviewed 16 years ago, who told me, once my book was finished, "you know, eventually I am going to be in the streets again" , meaning "I'll find you". He m.u.r.d.e.r.e.d 5 relatives in less than half hour, with a knife, and the most time you can go to jail here is 30 years. But if you study or work, you reduce one of 3 days of your sentence. Also, you can ask for parole after 60% of time served. That one was a classic psychopath. Stalkers are, in most cases, too. She showed most of the personality traits in her interview with Piers.. It was very clear from the start. The constant change in numbers discussing the emails, the same with the textrs, and then blaming others who allegedly used her address and her phone, etc. All the signals are there, good knowledgeable people write and talk a lot about the danger of violent psychopaths, but Piers decided to offer a show with her, even if it means that she might turn into the monster inside and do more than what she has done so far.
Stalkers are dangerous. Any interaction just escalates the problem. He is right 💯 the more you interact the worse it gets. She will love this. It’s clear she has issues. She needs help.
I saw his post. Later he took it all back. He juat had the same surname so made it up but didn't think it would go viral. These videos shouldn't be allowed unless they know for sure it's true becauee so many fakes
"Crimeologist." Hilariously naive. Just like the videographer up above with his Archie Bunker like vocabulary: "uninvertedly" instead of inadvertently, "disreputed" instead of disputed, etc. etc. Listening to him trying to sound intelligent (and then underscoring his naivete by putting up captions in gigantic letters pointing out his foolish vocabulary errors) was more entertaining than this whole "Is the real Martha really as crazy as the character in the TV show?"
This was discussed in a scriptwriting course I did. The teacher said that it was too hard and impractical to want to tell "A true story". Just go with "Based on a true story". It covers you legally and allows for practical, creative considerations, e.g. the person may have had 5 friends involved in the real-life events, but for the show they have 2 characters be representative of all 5, due to time, money, better storytelling etc.
at the beginning it says This is a True Story--at the end it says it is not---totally meant to be misleading--Most people that watched the series thought they were watching a true story and everything depicted actually happened--
This is beginning to feel like an episode of Black Mirror where the hit TV show based on a true story spirals out of control when fans use the internet to uncover the people the show is based on and in effect turning everyone involved lives upside down. I just hope this doesn’t have a sad ending
I'd really love to hear from anyone else who interacted with her -- the couple that fired her, for instance. She no doubt has left a lot of human damage in her wake. She can't deny all of it.
The man has passed away but his wife came forward. She did a breakfast interview 3 weeks ago and a sun newspaper interview a few days ago. This woman definitely has previous stalking behaviour.
I’m watching your video 2 days later (Congrats on the views 👏) the Criminologist was right. Fiona is stalking the Daily Mail Reporter and now Piers Morgan. She wants a $1 million off Piers. I don’t believe she has sought any help for her behaviour and now she’s in the limelight it’s out of control. I agree with you that Richard had every right to tell his story. He said he started using it in his comedy routines and it was cathartic for him. Stalking is a dangerous crime. In the UK there is also the Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service for anyone who needs help.
Just claiming to have been a victim of stalking before doesn’t excuse the victim blaming. “It’s your responsibility to make sure they know the behaviour is unwanted” is an absolutely outrageous statement.
I don’t think that was the point. I think he’s saying be clear if you actually want the person to go away. Gadd acknowledges that he intentionally kept lines blurry because he was getting some gratification from “Martha” and that WAS irresponsible. Nothing wrong with taking accountability. There are no perfect victims.
@@catherineblair550 YES! Silence isn't complicity, so much as buying time and the appearance of normality, and trying to not trigger someone into hurting you. It's taken too many years for women to be taken seriously about domestic violence or being stalked. The same courtesy needs to be given to men who also suffer this.
I think the criminologist was saying that to warn others watching this and his whole statement was to bring more awareness to victims of stalking especially men because this happens much more than reported.
He is not her nephew. Kyle Muir has a short tiktok video stating he was acting pretending to be Fiona Harvey’s nephew it was only a joke which he sent to his friends but later on it went viral. I’m not even defending her but we shouldn’t believe everything we see on social media straight away.
A stalker doesn't see their behaviour as stalking at first,then when it turns nasty,the stalker feels so badly treated that their behaviour is justified, in their heads!😢
The guy at the end who is supposed to be an expert has completely missed he point that the way that Gadd handles the experience of being stalked, especially after being raped, is completely normal. It's really easy to say from the outside, and after the fact, what the victim "should" have done but when you're in it (this includes domestic violence and a lot of ambiguous situations) it's not that simple. Most victims don't have support and resources available, and if they do go to police or other people for help, don't usually get it. People who haven't been through this don't seem to understand the emotional toll that takes and the real risk that can bring on. It's common for victims to "lean in" to abuse as a desperate way to try to cope with it, it's common for them to have mixed feelings and to feel compassion for the abuser/stalker and to feel responsible for what is happening to them. Society tells us that it's our fault in all but the most extreme, cut-and-dry examples, then blames us for struggling to cope. The transparency that Gadd has in showing us the very real challenge in coping is a gift especially because it opens him up for a lot of victim-blaming. Please- realize that he was doing the best he could. He, and other victims, are human and have human feelings and make human mistakes. The question here is whether society is ready to handle an honest depiction of something that is nuanced in a way that society has refused to acknowledge for a long time. This is even more challenging in this case because society often doesn't realize that men CAN be raped and sexually victimized, especially by women, but that happens a lot more than most people can comprehend. Yes women can rape men. Yes men can be sexually victimized. This is hard enough to deal with as a woman, but I really feel for the men out there who deal with additional layers of stigma. Giving out resources is great but realize that there is very little that victims can actually do and very little real help they can get. Stalkers rarely honor restraining orders and it can put you in much more danger, and there's not much else the legal system has to offer. There are very real reasons for why people handle things the way they do. They aren't stupid, they're more often trapped, afraid, in danger, and left to figure it out on their own. Even if the person gets convicted this can make you less safe ultimately.
Quite frankly l am absolutely sick and tired of perpetrators getting away with facing any consequences and devastation to people’s lives and the long lasting trauma. The sexual abuse of children, young people - men and women is beyond comprehension yet these suffering people never have a voice, never believed and nothing is ever done. It is so soul destroying.
It’s not “Murr” it’s Muir. Pronounced me-oo-r. I used to like your wee ghost posts, but I thought you were a teacher and supposed to be smart but so little research done here and the speech and grammar is irritating. How many times can you say “apparently”. You are not reporting on your own thoughts; in yesterdays video you ‘reacted’ to other people’s reactions of the interview. And done the same today. 3rd, 4th hand reactions are dull and pointless
I was stalked in my early 20's by an ex. I hadn't seen him in years. We bumped into each other & he asked to swap numbers. That was the worst decision I'd made. I had no problem being an aquintance. Maybe the odd text but not what I expected. He'd ring me, text me & turn up at my house. I wasn't scared of him at all. But I saw another side to him I hadn't when we dated years earlier. I asked him to stop... he didn't. So after a few months I got in touch with the police . I told them what had been been up too & them confirmed this was stalking. Me. I did tell them that if he didn't stop I'd take matters into my own hands to protect myself. I'd trained in 2 forms of martial arts & I was more than willing to defend myself. They went to speak to him & told him to stay away from me or he'd be arrested. I never heard from him ever again!
What he said about Richard gadd not being allowed a voice - thats right, welcome also to the criminal justice system where its the vixtims who really suffer and the criminals plead mental health and are coddled by the sytem
Hi@@MaryBywaters I think you misunderstood my comment. I'm not saying 'Refuted' is wrong, I meant that he twice said that she 'Disreputed' accusations. Which is the wrong word. Disreputed means having lowered someone or something's reputation, as in bringing something into disrepute. What he meant to say was "which she refuted", meaning she denied it was true.
I’m agree that the victims need to be able to speak about their experiences. Far too often, men especially are silence - by themselves, by society, lack assistance and effective therapy (look it up most therapists are female). Men are frequently accused of being the perpetrator even when they are the victim, or denied assistance because they “are a man and should be able to handle it”. When falsely accused, males are kept from speaking out typically.
I'm pleased her nephew has spoken up, hopefully she will get the MH treatment she so clearly needs. I was stalked by a violent, alcoholic ex-partner 20 years ago and it still affects me; I think Baby Reindeer has opened up important conversations about stalking and also given people who are fortunate enough to never experience it an idea of how confusing, frightening, unsettling, stressful and overwhelming it is. For me, it started with an sms one evening telling me exactly what I had been doing in my home for the past few hours - it literally makes you feel sick. It took2 years, 2 apprehended violence orders (the first for 12 months and 2nd for 2 years) and me leaving my hometown to get away from his harassment. Being stalked is a truly horrible experience.
Having been a victim of stalking by someone exactly like this woman(but a man) IMO she’s a professional liar,narcissist and possible psychopath !! She called him a homosexual then said he wanted to sleep with her ! She also said she didn’t watch the series but knows ALOT about it ! I watched the series and IMO watching her interview I definitely believe she is a stalker who belied Richard “liked” her because he was nice to her ! Richard is no angel but he doesn’t pretend to be ! He’s honest about how messed up he was at the time she was stalking him ! She on the other hand denies EVERYTHING and then contradicts herself !! Let’s all keep in mind that this woman is an attorney and involved in politics,she knows how to manipulate and choose the right words to say !!!
She maybe a liar and mentally ill or whatever but if there is no evidence of jail time or ever being convicted of a crime which thus far there isn't, this seems like serious defamation. I'm not a lawyer but the way I see it is exactly as Piers Morgan sees it which is the show depicts her as a previous criminal with a series of jail offences labelling her a criminal. IF however, that is NOT the case then I think she has a good chance against Netflix with a decent lawyer. Because this is a serious mis representation and what a surprise Netflix have been quiet and haven't made any statement except an answer to a question at a recent enquiry.
@@karenm8239 it’s just my OPINION KAREN !! I’ve been stalked for 21 years by an ex boyfriend but I didn’t say I was an expert !! But if you can’t tell that she’s a delusional narcissistic liar you may be as delusional as she is !! Please have several seats ! Thanks for the comment✌🏻✌🏻
They are ... both ... the victim ... of themselves. That was the beauty of the story. This story is so epic because ... the story has picked up where it left off. ... it continues. Part 2 This man out of his concern and his need for her continues to get himself into situations with her. Now they are a movie and are on everytalk show that exist. It really is a modern tragedy. Mental illness is the theme of everything. If anyone thinks these two people are the only ones creating real life drama ... and they themselves are not ... give it a few years.
She speaks so fast and consistently that I can see how someone who isn’t strong, assertive and sure of themselves could feel all muddled in what the question was they even asked! So much unnecessary talking. It’s like if she can keep talking AT you then you’ll be confused into believing her, and she can make you feel like you misunderstood because she rambles until you’re convinced, and you don’t want to seem rude by questioning her integrity. It’s fascinating to observe. Constant and instant answer for everything.
Kyle Muir has already put out a statement saying it was just a joke that he came up with because they had the same surname. I guess it’s an easy subject to jump on to get some social media attention and money!
WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY SIMPLY FIND OUT IF SHE HAS BEEN TO PRISON AND IF SHE HAS CONVICTIONS OR NOT CAUSE ANYONE CAN FIBD OUT SIMPLY THROUGH GOOGLE FOR AS LITTLE AS £15 🤔
For a moment in her life, the ball was in her court, people held their breathe, the whole world was watching and what does she decide to do? Double down and make people scrutinize and criticize her even more. She should've just admitted to what was up and say she wasn't well, im sure people would've understood and come across as understanding and maybe even give Richard backlash for not properly proctecting her identity. Say what you all want but one thing is certain, this woman is not well and something needs to be done. I genuinely feel for her. She needs help. Its kinda sad seeing someone who clearly needs help be exposed like this.
Hmmm. I'm frankly sick of reading, oh poor lady, she's not well blah blah. If she was a man who'd done this to a woman, would you be so sympathetic? I think she's flat out evil and knows exactly what she's doing and falls all over her lies.
I agree, it's very sad and then you are looking at two victims and wondering who came off better. One cashed in on it. The other is pilloried and still sad, middle aged lonely and possibly mentally ill.
Neither Richard nor Fiona are being 100% truthful. Now is this guy REALLY her nephew? And aren't court records public in the UK, like they are in the US???
@@SimplySaid_ I mean technologically the UK is not that far behind the US. I have been able to search for court records online for at least a decade now using the defendant's last name. Probably it was Muir that many years ago...
Ah yes, the intrinsic side character in the documentary, Pete, who was there for everything and knows all. What the heck are you even trying to get at, buddy? That you don’t believe a survivor/victim? Why does the UK NEED to operate on public record like the states? Because you want to defend a woman? You comment some strange things and should probably take a nap, calm down.
What she did was absolutely wrong and terrifying, but you can change your phone number and block someone on Facebook. You should NOT ever be put in a position to have to do it. If I was being stalked I would do everything in my power to minimize the person having the ability to do so and not be crying that they sent a gadzillion texts or messages when I could have taken steps to stop it. Once again, I’m definitely saying she was in the wrong, but quit giving her room to make your life pure hell.
Laura Wray, widow of former Labour MP Jimmy Wray, was granted an interim restraining order against Fiona Harvey, who previously went by Fiona Muir-Harvey, in 2002.
You won’t see if you can you bloody will take it down that’s my daughter and I don’t give you permission to put her anywhere she is 7 weeks old your winding me up ask permission beofre posting things
This is so complicated. For instance, the legal implications of not reporting crimes or pressing charges. IF you do not report someone who is a predator and rapist (as in the author Richard Gad not pressing charges against his rapist) and allow that person to be a sexual predator then are you as a victim responsible indirectly for the next person that person rapes? If you do not report a dangerous stalker then are you not in a way a bit responsible for the stalkers next victim? I am in the process of mulling this over and don't have an answer. I do know that many rape victims do not report the crime and I certainly would not want a victim to feel worse than they already feel. I also realize that Fiona Muir is very ill and that Richard Gad deserves a voice but perhaps more effort should have been made to hide her identity. There is also the problem of Fiona Muir not being committed to a psychiatric facility where she would have to have treatment. There are many mental illnesses where asking a person who is delusional to seek psychiatric treatment is of itself a quite unrealistic expectation. I am very curious regarding other peoples thoughts on this.
So changing her name won't protect Gadd and Netflix legally?? Well, to heck with ever doing another movie based on real life events, even with the names changed to protect the innocent (or guilty).. And would these "experts" be so sympathetic if Fiona were a man portrayed as a stalker in a series written and starring a w0man?? I think not... Also, Miss Harvey is much too far gone for therapy. Some people are. She's too extreme, clearly a diagnosable narcissist with sociopathic leanings. She'll expire that way if she lives to be 100. She's like Betty Broderick's sister -- minus the murders. So far.
Why is nobody talking about the fact that Richard's R*pist is still out there not suffering any consequences. He made a netflix show detailing his ab*se and how it impacted his life and sexuality, but failed to call the police or anything like that. Its a very poor example to give an audience of people who may or may not be going through the same thing.
@@clairewillow6475 He kinda does when he has the responsibility of setting an example for millions of viewers. If he doesn't wanna press charges, fair enough. But then he made a huge show where other people will watch and think its normal to be ab*sed and nothing will happen to the attacker.
There is no such word as 'disreputed' - the word you're looking for is 'refuted' or 'denied' - get yourself a dictionary or at least make Google your friend!🙄
No, she needs to be left alone. She may need mental help but she definitely doesn’t need a bunch of loony’s contacting her when they don’t even know her - only from this show. I would think THOSE people would need mental health too.
There is no way that I am aware of to get help for someone else, related or not. And if the person doesn’t believe something is wrong with them…. You are just whistling in the dark. At least if he tells his story, the information is out there. Protecting her does nothing helpful for anyone. I applaud Gadd for telling his story.
You have omitted some fairly salient points: 1. Netflix have stated that the show is a true story and not simply “based on a true story”. There has never been any indication that elements of the show were dramatised. 2. As a result of the preceding point, you cannot defame somebody under UK law being The Defamation Act 2013. Notably, Netflix have not put forward a defence to the allegation of defamation. 3. Whilst I am sure that Gadd went through some terrible experiences, by his own depiction, he repeatedly attended his rapists home. Is this normal behaviour.
This is what I was speculating, her going to prison for 4-5 months, probably between July 16th 2016(her last tweets on her Fiona2014 account) and December of 2016(the creation of her new account). Maybe she actually got convicted to 9 months just like in the show and got out early. The reason I was speculating hard on that aswell was she was referencing in her last tweets of "having to go" multiple times and that her "26 year old boytoy" was waiting for her. I presumed Richard Gadd was waiting for her in court.
Yes she could have spent the 110 days standard “lie down” on remand as she was a danger to Gadd and was then given a restraining order when her case was “called” Then both the “nephew,” “Fiona” and Gadd would all be correct in there statements 😂 Sent from my Iphoen.
@@JbScot yep your correct, but she could be playing with words in her insane mind is all im saying; technically you could be remanded in custody while u await your trial, then get a restraining order when sentenced etc, and then you could make statements like 'I didn't get sentenced to prison, I didn't do 9 months in jail' and not be lying
@@joejohnson6763 your still in the same building, just in a different hall.. Sometimes your not in the remand hall and in wi the big boys lol, especially with now full the system is the now 😂
Victims deserve a voice. But unfortunatelly when it comes to having a voice against someone like Fiona Harvey there's more danger in giving it attention. These people will twist a narrative to fit anything that matches their delusion, the fact that Richard made a show talking about his stalker, to most of us, we see a victim having a voice, bringing up a topic of how men can be victims as well, but to 'Martha' this is saying that he still thinks about her, and if he still thinks of her, this must mean that he still wants her in some way. We saw this when he tried to escape her by telling her that the age gap and not having kids wouldn't make them work out, and she right away made a whole thing to make it work because her goal is just one. His abuser that was also portrayed on the show will never come forward willingly, this person knows what they did is wrong and they don't want attention-they know what they did is wrong, 'Martha' on the other hand is seeing attention coming her way so she's gonna come out and let us all know who she is. Richard speaking out against his abuser is giving him a voice, speaking out against his stalker/Marth is putting himself on her track again.
Since you asked, I don't think it's the responsibility of a filmmaker to provide information on resources for help. He's brought awareness to the problem, that is enough.
It's interesting that I watched this series and I wasn't sure about watching it at first because I knew it was supposed to be about someone stalking this guy but in the end I saw more it as a story of this man's vulnerability and not a story of stalking. I was impressed by it because you don't often see many shows that show a man's vulnerability in the way this series did and I was left really impacted by that. I found for days afterwards I thought about it and I was really struck by that felt sense of his vulnerability. For me that was the larger message of the series.
My stalker was my ex husband. He stalked me during our ten year relationship as well as afterwards so saying not to have a relationship with them is rubbish. Sometimes people are stalked by obsessive people that they are actually in a relationship with!
Netflix did offer hotline number for those experiencing stalking. Also, if she did go to jail, there should be record of it. Someone needs to produce it to put it to end the question of whether or not she was incarcerated for stalking.
I think he has revenged stalked her with BR. He and Netflix knew the internet would find her in a nano second. I think FH and RG are BOTH unhinged, manipulating and lying . BUT I think RG is a more smooth operator than FH is . Why don’t we all and also RG expose this male abuser who Aped him while drugging , him, using power of abuse and a lot more . He COULD help save MANY more victims in THESE types of cases . Everyone is on FH case but who’s on the case of this high profile Apist who works within the uk film , tv industry? Expose them ALL I say .
This is nuts. He has the right to tell the story. Could it be that the show made Fiona`s mental state worse? Yes BUT! When I was watching the show I thought - this woman should not go to jail, she needs a psychiatrist because her issues had not been addressed, jail will do nothing
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Oh my god.
Baby reindeer is calling the crazies out from the woods.
This is wild.
Or is it the family jumping down his throat because now there’s a trail of people being talked about online surrounding Fiona. 🤔
If that's the case, won't it be much more harmful keeping this video up considering that the said nephew isn't actually telling the truth about Harvey?
ITS FAKE he admitted NOT BEING HER NEPHEW
Only a narcissistic stalker would go on tv to be interviewed about it.
Or someone who is innocent and is being pretty much acused. We'll see over time.
She couldn't help herself.
Apparently she called the show 106 times lol
Or someone who is mentally unwell that needs help
They’re both at fault lol the world isn’t black or white. Richard played into her feelings for him and enjoyed the attention and even at one point tried to get her to do something just so that he’d go to the police and say look what she sent me! And she’s a stalker who doesn’t know how to stop
They both are narcs
Man everyone would’ve forgotten about this in like a few weeks if she hadn’t gone on piers Morgan to defend herself nonsensically
I only watched it because she went on pierce
Same@@tasselskeep3385
He’s a scunner
I would never have heard of it, if she hadn't done the interview on Piers Morgan
I completely missed that it was a true story before she appeared all over the internet.
I don’t know him, I met him a few times.
He asked me to sleep with him, I think he is a homosexual.
I don’t know his address. I sent him one letter.
I didn’t send 41,000 emails but even if I did, it wouldn’t matter because I didn’t do this other thing.
I never left voice messages, if he has over 100 voicemail messages then he must have been taping me covertly on the few occasions I was in the bar.
I have a photographic memory, I can’t remember my marks in law school.
It seems the argument they are making is that Netflix and the actor said it was a true story, but some details might have been embellished or just weren’t true.
Gadd didn’t make himself out to be a oh poor me, this person did all this to me for absolutely no reason, I was a completely innocent victim.
He was honest about his own poor decisions with regard to substances being abused and being complicit in part by leading her on.
If I never engaged in this type of behavior and I saw a show depicting that behavior, I wouldn’t think, hey they are talking about me.
I thought Gadd’s warts and all portrayal made the show that much better.
And she came from an “impoverished middle class background”. Contradiction
Exactly.
Right on!
One thing I noticed was, re the voicemails, recording conversations in a bar isn't the same thing. When Piers Morgan asked her about the 350 voicemails, she said that he could've only got those by recording her when she was in the pub. That's not a voicemail.
No one outed her, she told anyone who would listen that the show was based on herself because she’s a narcissist.
Men are rarely represented in abuse, he has a right to speak on his story!
Come on!!! This is not speaking out. This is a rewrite to make money. It's been taken to Netflix and taken up and then made into entertainment!!! Making him zillions of $$$$
@@MaryBywaters here's the thing "Mary,"there are two last taboos. One is maternal sa against female children, the other, women commiting sa and stalking against men.
The take away? Women can be just as dangerous as men, but very few people believe their victims.
@@MaryBywaters Zillions of dollars? Drop the hyperbole and grow up. Gadd has every right to tell his story. Male SA victims aren't taken seriously to a scary extent and your attitude proves that point.
@@MaryBywaters So he's not allowed to speak publicly about his abuse? Because he will make zillions from talking about it? Would you say the same thing to Cheryl Araujo, the woman who was gang raped in 1983 and the movie The Accused was made based on her case? Would you?
FACTS 💯💯
She has opened a can of worms! She should have kept quiet.
She can’t keep quiet. She craves attention.
If she’s delusional… she won’t see anything she’s done as wrong
Agreed....but she'd loving the attention and will relentlessly try to save face. She will stalk the world now.
She didn’t open a can of worms….Richard gadd did. He has thrust her into the limelight without her consent. Only an idiot would have thought that the media stalkers wouldn’t stalk out the stalker. It’s all very Jeremy Kyle and I fear it might not end well for this unwell lady. Sad!
@@user-if6hf7ky1tHow? Did he gave her real name? All this is only speculation until facts and proof will be disclosed in court,if it will happen. Fiona contacted Piers herself,she wasn’t called out
It’s actually insane how the Martha actor was able to capture her SO well and apparently they never even met 🤯
Pehaps she had hundreds of hours of voicemails to study...
@@cjprin now there’s a thought… she couldn’t have just invented the character and it be so close to the real person 🤔
If she isn't a stalker she's gotta be a dealer having 4 different phones!
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she got them 4 different nokia 3210's hahaha
@@danielthirgood1997 lol all the old skool burners haha I wouldn't be surprised if she still had some pagers too lol
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I heard that a reporter reached out to her for an interview, and she called him over 50 times that day. Did anyone else hear this?
Yep. Neil Sears at the daily mail - which will be why she told Piers Morgan she’s suing the DM. 50 voicemails apparently.
I heard that too.
Yep
Woooooow!!!! This is wild! And she really sees nothing wrong with what she does. And lies about it. And plays victim. It’s scary AND sad!! 😢😣
Yeah, she's clearly mentally ill and journalists are taking advantage of her. It's sad, she clearly needs help.
If I had been wrongly accused of stalking like she says, the last thing I would do would go on TV with Piers Morgan (or anyone else). I would have got my evidence together quietly, got myself a good lawyer and sued Netflix for millions. She went to law school so she knows this too. She comes across as a fruit loop.
Exactly and 100 percent . The fact is this lady was NOT wrongly accused of stalking . There is evidence that she … or someone who mightily resembles her and appears to curiously share her name … or perhaps has assumed her name … is a stalker and has stalked both Richard Gadd and others . There seems to be plenty of evidence and the more one looks the more one uncovers .
If there was no evidence that Gadds story was true and in fact evidence to the contrary that he had implicated this woman in a story which implied she had stalked and harassed him then that would count as defamation and damages would be payable
The lady is definitely unhinged
Why would you not try to change public opinion as well?
Did she actually go to law school cause the way she was explaining her degree was crazy lol like he was clearly asking what class her degree was and she didn't even know 😂
She is a narcissistic and they love the attention
Six days ago she posted that getting her hair styled for the piers Morgan interview was the best part of her experience and she felt like a princess for a second. Omg
I saw that too and was like OMG gonna take a lot more than that to make you a princess crazy lady
Just want to point out something, if Fiona did get sentenced for 9 months, she very easily could have been released early. 4 - 4 1/2 months served makes total sense.
In the States you can appeal to the Court to have your records sealed or expunged. I assume there is a similar process for non violent crimes in Britain.
9 months, with good behavior, released in 4 month or less if tagged.
Hasn't Gadd already confirmed she did not get a prison sentence, as he did not get her charged..there was no court case.
I definitely am unfamiliar with legal matters overseas. I'm a psych nurse in the US and should have thought more about this. Some people in the state I work in, will get sentenced to a mental health facility once evaluated. I believe Richard came out and said all the numbers of email, texts, etc were correct, but he did not know if fiona was ever given a sentence.
I does make sense.
Sent from my IPhone.
I hate that phrase “untrue facts” if they’re facts they’re facts
She is a fake intellectual, she uses words she doesn’t understand. The way she pronounces “hyperbole” is a good example too.
Or ‘their truth’
Yes! A fact is… true! I hate when people say untrue facts or false facts!
But they were not facts!
@@Chee235 apparently they were, she has been to prison, for four months
When a stalker is silenced, their behavior often escalates. The release of this series, "Baby Reindeer" really just puts the victim in more danger.
While this is true I do believe the level of attention this has received would also make this incredibly hard for this particular stalker. It has led to other victims of hers also coming out to corroborate that she stalked them as well. Many people are unable to obtain a restraining order or order for protection and have the means to get on a plane and just leave the country and Richard Gadd seems to have enough means and publicity where this would not be the case.
Doesn’t you comment contradict itself?
How would the actress be able to play Fiona so well if none of this happened? She would have had to have heard voice mails and read emails etc …. Or else it’s a pretty crazy coincidence that she just happened to play her so accurately…. The only difference is the actress is way, way less hard on the eyes.
Piers asked her if Gaad ever gave her free drinks at the bar, she said "no, never. Nobody gets free drinks at the bar" BUT just before she went to be Interviewed by Peirs she posted on Facebook that Gaad was always giving her free drinks 😂
She also said I don't drink alcohol but he never showed or said he gave her any drinks, just a tea and coke everytime.
She’s a disaster. Literally hanging herself with her own words. I get the feeling she was worse than even portrayed on the series.
It’s a show. Not a social service.
Does this man not realize what Gadd has done for the cause of male victims of abuse with this smash hit series??
It's making it a mockery on many different levels
@@MaryBywatershow?
There was website for victims in titles!
Hes casted a good light on it, one u think that is very needed. It's not talked about enough or seen as as much of a threat as when men stalk women. It happens and being stalked is no fun, no matter the gender of the victim.
Sent from my IPhone.
@@MaryBywaters no. He’s shown that men can be victims. My brother was a victim for YEARS.
I dare her to file a lawsuit.
Well if she was indeed never convicted of a crime, I personally would suggest she file a defamation lawsuit...
@@petep4peace They aren’t talking about her.
I dare you to care about something meaningful.
@@ascgazz7347for real. SMDH
She would have a good case against Netflix for sure, since they did not carry out their duty of care to a real person portrayed in a 'based on true events' 'true story' program. Regardless of whether she went to prison (and, by the way, the lawyer who originally accused her of stalking behaviour stated quite categorically that Muir was never prosecuted, though she confirmed Fiona is capable of stalking and threatening beaviour), or did all the things of which she's been accused, that doesn't negate Netflix's duty of care to protect those portrayed in such a show. Guilt doesn't negate that.
One thing the show did really well-- arguably to a fault-- is humanizing the Martha character.
She isn’t remorseful irl
She is deranged and a sick individual. Now they want to make HIM in the wrong.
Her fictional character is easier to empathize and pity than the real person.
@@brooklynnmcloud1470 💯💯💯
Regardless of her actions, RG said he felt she was mentally I’ll and didn’t want to ruin her life. He definitely could have tried harder to conceal her identity. Internet sleuths go hard and I’m sure he knows this. As messed up as the things she did was I don’t think she deserves to be publicly attacked by the whole world. I don’t like this type of ganging up on people. It’s fascinating and people can’t help but be curious, but I just feel like this is wrong. She’s not going to be able to find work, she could lose her home. People won’t want to to rent to her. RG stated that in real life he didn’t press charges because he felt bad for her, but I think a few months in prison would have been better than a world wide witch hunt.
I have a family member who is everything that Fiona is. She was more than difficult to deal with throughout my childhood and adult life, but because I know she is broken I just tried to do my best to stay away from her. I do have to state that both she and I went through severe psychological abuse from our elders throughout our childhood. In my case, I just became the next wounded guy, but in her case she chose a darker road of denial and emotional destruction. To this day, though I still want to protect her, even though I live on the other side of the country from her. Even though I suffered horribly because of the things that she says, I still feel very bad about the fact that I know what she went through as a child. I know exactly why she is the way she is and to be completely honest I can’t blame her for her broken nature.
I need to add something. The idea that this person needs treatment or help in order to deal with their childhood issues is incorrect. There is no helping this person to think or feel any differently about the fact that they were treated in an inhuman manner as a young person. There’s no repairing the damage that was done to them from childhood until adulthood. my family member won’t ever seek help or acknowledge that there’s a problem to seek help for. I want to point out that to the average casual acquaintance it doesn’t seem like there’s anything wrong with my family member but as soon as you begin to get to know them personally, you slowly realize there is a larger problem.
God bless you and Martha!
Listen.. i was tortured as a child.. abused by a man gor 10 years.. i suffer a great deal physically and emotionally.. im now almost 50.. but let me tell you.. if someone acts inappropriately thats a choice.. stop using their past as an excuse for how they act!! I am NOTHING like i was raised or treated thru out life because i made a choice not to be like those who hurt me..
So stop it.
I am deeply sympathetic to you and your family members who endured abuse, but to say there is no help is an absolute cope out. NO AMOUNT OF ABUSE that was committed on a person is an excuse to physically, emotionally, and / or spiritually harm another or to behave inappropriately. One must acknowledge their problems in order to repair themselves, and it sounds like you acknowledge that their was harm done that causes bad behavior. I hope that you and your family can get some help and heal from your trauma. 🙏
The way she thought about the dates when watching the court clip from Baby Reindeer made me think she was lying because it was almost as if she was weighing up whether or not to call out the wrong amount of time/dates mentioned, or just to keep flat out denying it happened. 😂 Watch her face, she doesn’t even need words.
literally what i thought... was surprised piers and the panel didn't pick up on it tbh
It was the craziest part of the interview!!! Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that
I saw that too!! She raised her hand as if to stop the clip, bc the dates were wrong 😂😂😂😂😂
She is her own deer caught in headlights
@@Twinkle_Toes88 I’m surprised she managed to stop herself when she did that! “Objection!” 🤣
All this drama only shows us that absolutely no one watches the credits because if they did they would've seen at the end were they state names, places , events may have been fictionalized for the movie.
Shame Netflix skips the credits by default or plays trailers over them…
Yep
This is like saying it was in terms and conditions lmao
Yeah I mean its after each episode and even before the show starts it says so… I don’t understand how people skipped these parts. I saw them and I’m not even the person that usually reads credits but it was a simple sentance at the beginning and it was there after each episode…
@@jeremybiggs8413it’s still a standard in Hollywood. You think everyone’s life is this entertaining?
I think it’s important to take stock of the fact that she states “he initiated the conversation” - In the show he talks about this first moment but either way, it’s his job to “start a conversation”. So in the event that she is mentally ill and not exactly in tune with reality, him approaching her and tending to her (his job) may feel like special attention, to her
Of course. And I think Gadd does a really good job of looking at his own behaviour and seeing how he may have contributed to his victimisation. I think it's really important to show that there is no such thing as a perfect victim. He really looks into himself and shows huge empathy to her.
its like the ending of baby raindeer where he realizes that just because he offered her a cup of tea out of kindness and started a converstaion, it didn't mean he gave way for the stalking, he was just a victim of circumstance initially
@@hsanchezisidora Wasn't the end saying that this really isn't a true story? Not in those exact words but more or less saying lots of this stuff that you just watched didn't really happen and we don't really care who we railroaded or threw under the bus--
@@coralieelliott2076 Good point that they put that caveat in to protect themselves from embellishment or writing a story around or on top of the reality. How much of it is the however many million dollar question here. And the fact that they don't care. And Fiona makes the point that they are making a sht load of money out of it. Perhaps said bar keep has a good nose for a good story. Hmmm.
He initiated the conversation. . .
"Welcome to Pub. You look like you had a rough day, can I get you a cup of tea?"
When you work with mentally ill people or hear them talk about everyday interactions and the Cognitive Distortions they see the world through it can be difficult for a healthy person to imagine that another person would interpret that event as more meaningful or having such a different connotation than it actually did. Some mental illnesses affect only 1% or 2% of the population so if that interaction had happened with 99 other people it would have not been seen through such a distorted view and that individual may still have not had the level of distortions that this woman does.
I checked out her Facebook page and the amount of spelling mistakes she has matches to the spelling mistakes in the show.
She has endless posts in a space of two days.she definitely has obsessive behaviours
I believe its more like a compulsion than obsession. I don't think she can stop once she is triggered. That's what makes her dangerous.
@@lulunz6809 it's a function of a personality disorder, which her interview gives off many examples of behaviours that would fall under those. I've treated many people over the years and recognize her definitely in that group of disorders.
They're also very contradictory, baiting, provocative, exhausting...
Is that her real page? Because people said she has only one but many people made fakes.
And what If HE checked out her FB posts and noted the spelling mistakes as well. Sounds stalkerish
Baby Raindeer deeply disturbed me, this guy was abused and the deeply painful part for me was seeing how incompetent the police were at protecting him and bringing him justice.
And yet he repeatedly engaged in conversation with her, even blatantly flirted with her... He's a troubled and conflicted guy. He even admits this.
@@petep4peacethat doesn't mean that he's not a victim! Jesus Christ, no one is perfect and your nonchalant attitude is a slap in the face to survivors. There's no such thing as a perfect victim and Gadd didn't deserve what happened to him.
He didn't report the rape. And he disregarded police advice regarding the 'stalking'
@@sihamgrigiz4410 He didn't report the rape because he truly believed that doing that would affect his career as a comedian.
Ffs! We all have the means to educate ourselves but some people refuse to do it. Read about the Shana Grice case before you embarass yourselves with your victim blaming comments - police held the same views as some people here to the point that she felt unable to seek help again and her stalker caused her the ultimate harm 😢
I have been stalked and have done things to try to get the stalker to leave me alone so what Gadd did like walking the stalker home is a way to try to get the stalker to leave him alone and also feel sorry for the stalkers. We know it is bad but we try everything to get the stalkers to leave us alone.
Try acting bat shyte crazy. Carry whatever is legal to carry.
The man in the video is Professor David Wilson, renound Criminologist/Criminal Profiler. He knows his stuff and he's had TV series on the BBC before where he has looked at cases, interviewed those accused of murders and the like - if they agreed to be interviewed and flat out told them that after revisiting evidence and statements, he thinks they are guilty ... right to their faces. Fascinating.
Very, very interesting man.
His father Colin Wilson was a prolific True Crime author
Shame he did an interview with the Scum
I think a lot of “Martha’s” POV and experience WAS depicted in Baby Reindeer; not just Donny’s. Which makes her a sympathetic character despite her behavior. I feel it was quite balanced despite it’s being Donny’s story. It’s in the writing and of course in the multi-layered unbelievably beautiful portrayal of Martha on the part of the actress. I felt most for her when we could see her apartment, when Donny took her home during her catatonic phase and then of course when she was on trial. The true villain is that guy who promised to help Donny launch his career, plied him with drugs and sexually abused him.
Yeah the Darrien character is evil incarnate.
Absolutely, a dangerous criminal
Netflix needs to do a follow up documentary this is crazy
They really do!
First we need proof of all these facts Richards claims has happened, if not he could be treading in messy financial mess
@@tur74d56I believe him
@@tur74d56he did not claim all those things happened just they way the filmed them… you guys act as if the a story wasn’t told for entertainment purposes…. It was sensationalized and what not….
The biggest give away to me, that it was her, was her stating she had a baby reindeer toy as a child.
How did he know that if that wasn't you...
I felt uneasy watching the interview... She needs help, something is off..
I'm a child behavior specialist, definitely a personality disorder, grandeur etc ...
That’s really interesting actually!
stalkers are narcissists first and foremost.
@@user-ti8my1rc9k well no. Not all stalkers have NPD. Not all people with NPD are stalkers.
You don't know enough about her or personality disorders to diagnose her with one.
You're a child behaviour specialist? And you feel you can diagnose this woman at a distance? The arrogance lol.
@JosieFlutterby victim blamer
I'm not sure you understood the criminologist's words. He didn't want to sound blunt, so you didn't get what he he says, stalkers are too dangerous to turn them into mockery objects. they are vengeful, they attack and also k.i.l.l, in case you haven't found out yet. He is warning the public.. Most people, like yourself, think well trained criminologists don't know enough of their trade. They DO. And this lady is very dangerous. I'm a researcher myself. There was a particular inmate in my country that I interviewed 16 years ago, who told me, once my book was finished, "you know, eventually I am going to be in the streets again" , meaning "I'll find you". He m.u.r.d.e.r.e.d 5 relatives in less than half hour, with a knife, and the most time you can go to jail here is 30 years. But if you study or work, you reduce one of 3 days of your sentence. Also, you can ask for parole after 60% of time served. That one was a classic psychopath. Stalkers are, in most cases, too. She showed most of the personality traits in her interview with Piers.. It was very clear from the start. The constant change in numbers discussing the emails, the same with the textrs, and then blaming others who allegedly used her address and her phone, etc. All the signals are there, good knowledgeable people write and talk a lot about the danger of violent psychopaths, but Piers decided to offer a show with her, even if it means that she might turn into the monster inside and do more than what she has done so far.
I found the 41,000 emails hard to believe...
Do you think that this woman is capable of becoming a monster?
@@MaryBywaters I think that when it comes to stalkers it's best to let sleeping dogs lie.
Stalkers are dangerous. Any interaction just escalates the problem. He is right 💯 the more you interact the worse it gets. She will love this. It’s clear she has issues. She needs help.
@@MaryBywaters If the show is to be believed, she already became violent, and also threatened his family.
She stated over and over she didn’t know where he lives so how did she post a hand written letter to him ?
We should take anything this “nephew” says with a grain of salt until his identity can be confirmed.
I saw his post. Later he took it all back. He juat had the same surname so made it up but didn't think it would go viral. These videos shouldn't be allowed unless they know for sure it's true becauee so many fakes
I saw his post. Then he said it was a joke because they had the same Surnames. These videos shouldn't be allowed unless they know for sure it's true.
Can't add a photo was gonna send his post admitting he don't know her
David Wilson is very credible and a respectable crimeologist. He always breaks things down well and speaks honestly.
"Crimeologist." Hilariously naive. Just like the videographer up above with his Archie Bunker like vocabulary: "uninvertedly" instead of inadvertently, "disreputed" instead of disputed, etc. etc. Listening to him trying to sound intelligent (and then underscoring his naivete by putting up captions in gigantic letters pointing out his foolish vocabulary errors) was more entertaining than this whole "Is the real Martha really as crazy as the character in the TV show?"
@@4thbox alright calm down. I've got no idea what you're on about. David is very credible and has worked in his field for years.
A true story and based on a true story are not the same thing. In my personal understanding, this was BASED ON a true story.
Also States in credits person events fictionalised
This was discussed in a scriptwriting course I did. The teacher said that it was too hard and impractical to want to tell "A true story". Just go with "Based on a true story". It covers you legally and allows for practical, creative considerations, e.g. the person may have had 5 friends involved in the real-life events, but for the show they have 2 characters be representative of all 5, due to time, money, better storytelling etc.
at the beginning it says This is a True Story--at the end it says it is not---totally meant to be misleading--Most people that watched the series thought they were watching a true story and everything depicted actually happened--
@@coralieelliott2076based on
It says it is a true story from the very beginning
This is beginning to feel like an episode of Black Mirror where the hit TV show based on a true story spirals out of control when fans use the internet to uncover the people the show is based on and in effect turning everyone involved lives upside down. I just hope this doesn’t have a sad ending
I'd really love to hear from anyone else who interacted with her -- the couple that fired her, for instance. She no doubt has left a lot of human damage in her wake. She can't deny all of it.
They probably don’t want any interaction with her whatsoever.
The man has passed away but his wife came forward. She did a breakfast interview 3 weeks ago and a sun newspaper interview a few days ago. This woman definitely has previous stalking behaviour.
I was howling with laughter when piers said that her employer fired her because she wouldn't behave. How did she even get near a lawyer's job??
Why?? What does it matter to you?? Why do you care??
@@pallasathena1369 she was hired as a new law graduate so a very long time ago.
I’m watching your video 2 days later (Congrats on the views 👏) the Criminologist was right. Fiona is stalking the Daily Mail Reporter and now Piers Morgan. She wants a $1 million off Piers. I don’t believe she has sought any help for her behaviour and now she’s in the limelight it’s out of control.
I agree with you that Richard had every right to tell his story. He said he started using it in his comedy routines and it was cathartic for him. Stalking is a dangerous crime.
In the UK there is also the Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service for anyone who needs help.
Isnt it anazing in this day and age that the medical professionals would be more concerned about the crazy person than the victim.
What in a Netfllix show???
Just claiming to have been a victim of stalking before doesn’t excuse the victim blaming. “It’s your responsibility to make sure they know the behaviour is unwanted” is an absolutely outrageous statement.
I don’t think that was the point. I think he’s saying be clear if you actually want the person to go away. Gadd acknowledges that he intentionally kept lines blurry because he was getting some gratification from “Martha” and that WAS irresponsible. Nothing wrong with taking accountability. There are no perfect victims.
@@ladymischief011 What he said was true, but all women know the dangers of hurting the wrong mans ego.
@@catherineblair550 YES! Silence isn't complicity, so much as buying time and the appearance of normality, and trying to not trigger someone into hurting you.
It's taken too many years for women to be taken seriously about domestic violence or being stalked. The same courtesy needs to be given to men who also suffer this.
I think the criminologist was saying that to warn others watching this and his whole statement was to bring more awareness to victims of stalking especially men because this happens much more than reported.
He is not her nephew.
Kyle Muir has a short tiktok video stating he was acting pretending to be Fiona Harvey’s nephew it was only a joke which he sent to his friends but later on it went viral. I’m not even defending her but we shouldn’t believe everything we see on social media straight away.
I just saw that on X where the 'nephew' had made the statements as a joke...
And this Podcaster did his easy "research and vetting" brilliant work my friend.... NOT
@@robertabrahams1347 it’s his English that gets me. 😂
Yeah like what the hell? I knew it was probably fake the second he brought it up. Why are we not fact checking random people commenting on videos?
This podcaster should get a job at Netflix doing their legal checks, he believes everything he reads!
A stalker doesn't see their behaviour as stalking at first,then when it turns nasty,the stalker feels so badly treated that their behaviour is justified, in their heads!😢
Why is it hard to prove she went to jail? Is there not as much access to that type of information over there?
The guy at the end who is supposed to be an expert has completely missed he point that the way that Gadd handles the experience of being stalked, especially after being raped, is completely normal. It's really easy to say from the outside, and after the fact, what the victim "should" have done but when you're in it (this includes domestic violence and a lot of ambiguous situations) it's not that simple. Most victims don't have support and resources available, and if they do go to police or other people for help, don't usually get it. People who haven't been through this don't seem to understand the emotional toll that takes and the real risk that can bring on. It's common for victims to "lean in" to abuse as a desperate way to try to cope with it, it's common for them to have mixed feelings and to feel compassion for the abuser/stalker and to feel responsible for what is happening to them. Society tells us that it's our fault in all but the most extreme, cut-and-dry examples, then blames us for struggling to cope. The transparency that Gadd has in showing us the very real challenge in coping is a gift especially because it opens him up for a lot of victim-blaming. Please- realize that he was doing the best he could. He, and other victims, are human and have human feelings and make human mistakes. The question here is whether society is ready to handle an honest depiction of something that is nuanced in a way that society has refused to acknowledge for a long time. This is even more challenging in this case because society often doesn't realize that men CAN be raped and sexually victimized, especially by women, but that happens a lot more than most people can comprehend. Yes women can rape men. Yes men can be sexually victimized. This is hard enough to deal with as a woman, but I really feel for the men out there who deal with additional layers of stigma. Giving out resources is great but realize that there is very little that victims can actually do and very little real help they can get. Stalkers rarely honor restraining orders and it can put you in much more danger, and there's not much else the legal system has to offer. There are very real reasons for why people handle things the way they do. They aren't stupid, they're more often trapped, afraid, in danger, and left to figure it out on their own. Even if the person gets convicted this can make you less safe ultimately.
Hello from Scotland. Muir is pronounced mure just like manure. How fitting.
Quite frankly l am absolutely sick and tired of perpetrators getting away with facing any consequences and devastation to people’s lives and the long lasting trauma. The sexual abuse of children, young people - men and women is beyond comprehension yet these suffering people never have a voice, never believed and nothing is ever done. It is so soul destroying.
My bad about the captions at the start 🤦♂️ forgot to double check them before posting 😅 makes me look like Martha from the show 😂
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I love it haha
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It’s not “Murr” it’s Muir. Pronounced me-oo-r. I used to like your wee ghost posts, but I thought you were a teacher and supposed to be smart but so little research done here and the speech and grammar is irritating. How many times can you say “apparently”. You are not reporting on your own thoughts; in yesterdays video you ‘reacted’ to other people’s reactions of the interview. And done the same today. 3rd, 4th hand reactions are dull and pointless
sorry man kyle lied theres new facebook posts n proof
So what the programme and media attention has done is the opposite of what the treatment is for a person like that. She will get worse, not better.
I like the fact that they even used the same color lipstick that Fiona wears on the actress portraying Martha.
Geez
I was stalked in my early 20's by an ex. I hadn't seen him in years. We bumped into each other & he asked to swap numbers. That was the worst decision I'd made. I had no problem being an aquintance. Maybe the odd text but not what I expected. He'd ring me, text me & turn up at my house. I wasn't scared of him at all. But I saw another side to him I hadn't when we dated years earlier.
I asked him to stop... he didn't. So after a few months I got in touch with the police . I told them what had been been up too & them confirmed this was stalking. Me. I did tell them that if he didn't stop I'd take matters into my own hands to protect myself. I'd trained in 2 forms of martial arts & I was more than willing to defend myself. They went to speak to him & told him to stay away from me or he'd be arrested. I never heard from him ever again!
What he said about Richard gadd not being allowed a voice - thats right, welcome also to the criminal justice system where its the vixtims who really suffer and the criminals plead mental health and are coddled by the sytem
The word is 'refuted', not disreputed, which means something else, entirely.
It means proven to be wrong doesn't it? "That has been refuted" I'll have to look it up now.
Hi@@MaryBywaters I think you misunderstood my comment. I'm not saying 'Refuted' is wrong, I meant that he twice said that she 'Disreputed' accusations. Which is the wrong word. Disreputed means having lowered someone or something's reputation, as in bringing something into disrepute. What he meant to say was "which she refuted", meaning she denied it was true.
Denied is equally accurate. I'm not.even sure.disreputed.is.a.real word.
He combined refute and dispute
Omg I had to stop the video and check if someone complained before I did. Burns my stomach haha.
A liar is a person who doesn't speak the truth. A lier is a person or object that rests in a horizontal position
Yeah, completely my bad, typo 😅
😂😂😂😂
I’m agree that the victims need to be able to speak about their experiences. Far too often, men especially are silence - by themselves, by society, lack assistance and effective therapy (look it up most therapists are female). Men are frequently accused of being the perpetrator even when they are the victim, or denied assistance because they “are a man and should be able to handle it”. When falsely accused, males are kept from speaking out typically.
I'm pleased her nephew has spoken up, hopefully she will get the MH treatment she so clearly needs. I was stalked by a violent, alcoholic ex-partner 20 years ago and it still affects me; I think Baby Reindeer has opened up important conversations about stalking and also given people who are fortunate enough to never experience it an idea of how confusing, frightening, unsettling, stressful and overwhelming it is. For me, it started with an sms one evening telling me exactly what I had been doing in my home for the past few hours - it literally makes you feel sick. It took2 years, 2 apprehended violence orders (the first for 12 months and 2nd for 2 years) and me leaving my hometown to get away from his harassment. Being stalked is a truly horrible experience.
The way she choked when Piers asked if she'd take a lie detector test was all you needed to see 😂
Having been a victim of stalking by someone exactly like this woman(but a man) IMO she’s a professional liar,narcissist and possible psychopath !! She called him a homosexual then said he wanted to sleep with her ! She also said she didn’t watch the series but knows ALOT about it ! I watched the series and IMO watching her interview I definitely believe she is a stalker who belied Richard “liked” her because he was nice to her ! Richard is no angel but he doesn’t pretend to be ! He’s honest about how messed up he was at the time she was stalking him ! She on the other hand denies EVERYTHING and then contradicts herself !! Let’s all keep in mind that this woman is an attorney and involved in politics,she knows how to manipulate and choose the right words to say !!!
He is gay. He also had a stint as a trans woman.
Ps as can't edit - I've also been a victim of severe stalking. It doesn't mean you are able to tell she's a stalker.
She maybe a liar and mentally ill or whatever but if there is no evidence of jail time or ever being convicted of a crime which thus far there isn't, this seems like serious defamation. I'm not a lawyer but the way I see it is exactly as Piers Morgan sees it which is the show depicts her as a previous criminal with a series of jail offences labelling her a criminal.
IF however, that is NOT the case then I think she has a good chance against Netflix with a decent lawyer. Because this is a serious mis representation and what a surprise Netflix have been quiet and haven't made any statement except an answer to a question at a recent enquiry.
@@karenm8239 it’s just my OPINION KAREN !! I’ve been stalked for 21 years by an ex boyfriend but I didn’t say I was an expert !! But if you can’t tell that she’s a delusional narcissistic liar you may be as delusional as she is !! Please have several seats ! Thanks for the comment✌🏻✌🏻
@@karenm8239 he said he’s bisexual !!!
They are ... both ... the victim ... of themselves.
That was the beauty of the story.
This story is so epic because ... the story has picked up where it left off. ... it continues. Part 2
This man out of his concern and his need for her continues to get himself into situations with her. Now they are a movie and are on everytalk show that exist.
It really is a modern tragedy.
Mental illness is the theme of everything.
If anyone thinks these two people are the only ones creating real life drama ... and they themselves are not ... give it a few years.
She speaks so fast and consistently that I can see how someone who isn’t strong, assertive and sure of themselves could feel all muddled in what the question was they even asked! So much unnecessary talking. It’s like if she can keep talking AT you then you’ll be confused into believing her, and she can make you feel like you misunderstood because she rambles until you’re convinced, and you don’t want to seem rude by questioning her integrity.
It’s fascinating to observe.
Constant and instant answer for everything.
Kyle Muir has already put out a statement saying it was just a joke that he came up with because they had the same surname. I guess it’s an easy subject to jump on to get some social media attention and money!
She exposed herself on piers morgan.
Interesting that we are more concerned with her than the rapist.
Unadvertently? Disreputed? Only 42 seconds in 😂 marvellous English old chap!
WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY SIMPLY FIND OUT IF SHE HAS BEEN TO PRISON AND IF SHE HAS CONVICTIONS OR NOT CAUSE ANYONE CAN FIBD OUT SIMPLY THROUGH GOOGLE FOR AS LITTLE AS £15 🤔
THIS is what I've been waiting to hear!!
As a criminology graduate I trust David Wilson’s opinion 100%. He has done so many true crime documentaries and has done some amazing work.
I appreciated how you handled this very much. Very interesting.
For a moment in her life, the ball was in her court, people held their breathe, the whole world was watching and what does she decide to do? Double down and make people scrutinize and criticize her even more. She should've just admitted to what was up and say she wasn't well, im sure people would've understood and come across as understanding and maybe even give Richard backlash for not properly proctecting her identity.
Say what you all want but one thing is certain, this woman is not well and something needs to be done. I genuinely feel for her. She needs help. Its kinda sad seeing someone who clearly needs help be exposed like this.
I think part of her issue is that she doesn't believe she is unwell :(
This!!!
Hmmm. I'm frankly sick of reading, oh poor lady, she's not well blah blah. If she was a man who'd done this to a woman, would you be so sympathetic? I think she's flat out evil and knows exactly what she's doing and falls all over her lies.
I agree, it's very sad and then you are looking at two victims and wondering who came off better. One cashed in on it. The other is pilloried and still sad, middle aged lonely and possibly mentally ill.
Neither Richard nor Fiona are being 100% truthful.
Now is this guy REALLY her nephew? And aren't court records public in the UK, like they are in the US???
They could be, I’m not even sure where you’d look for something like that tbh 😅
@@SimplySaid_ I mean technologically the UK is not that far behind the US. I have been able to search for court records online for at least a decade now using the defendant's last name. Probably it was Muir that many years ago...
@@SimplySaid_ yes, seems very similar to here in the u.s. here: casetracker.justice.gov.uk/
No not all court records are public record because each country has its own legal system
Ah yes, the intrinsic side character in the documentary, Pete, who was there for everything and knows all.
What the heck are you even trying to get at, buddy? That you don’t believe a survivor/victim? Why does the UK NEED to operate on public record like the states? Because you want to defend a woman? You comment some strange things and should probably take a nap, calm down.
What she did was absolutely wrong and terrifying, but you can change your phone number and block someone on Facebook. You should NOT ever be put in a position to have to do it. If I was being stalked I would do everything in my power to minimize the person having the ability to do so and not be crying that they sent a gadzillion texts or messages when I could have taken steps to stop it. Once again, I’m definitely saying she was in the wrong, but quit giving her room to make your life pure hell.
Laura Wray, widow of former Labour MP Jimmy Wray, was granted an interim restraining order against Fiona Harvey, who previously went by Fiona Muir-Harvey, in 2002.
Redit sleuths are saying the nephew is not really the nephew. He’s a fraud.
Already been confirmed it’s not even him.
Please blur the Childs face on the Facebook side
I’ll see if I can, thanks for the feedback 🙏
I did ask the same but can't see my comment xx
Weird, I did see your comment and thought you’d deleted it as I replied? 🤔 CZcams’s weird sometimes
@@SimplySaid_ I commented under yours. I agree youtube is very dodgy sometimes. But thank you for getting back to me 👍💜
You won’t see if you can you bloody will take it down that’s my daughter and I don’t give you permission to put her anywhere she is 7 weeks old your winding me up ask permission beofre posting things
Just an FYI... Kyle Muir is NOT her newphew. It was proven as a hoax and was a joke that got out of hand
This is so complicated. For instance, the legal implications of not reporting crimes or pressing charges. IF you do not report someone who is a predator and rapist (as in the author Richard Gad not pressing charges against his rapist) and allow that person to be a sexual predator then are you as a victim responsible indirectly for the next person that person rapes? If you do not report a dangerous stalker then are you not in a way a bit responsible for the stalkers next victim? I am in the process of mulling this over and don't have an answer. I do know that many rape victims do not report the crime and I certainly would not want a victim to feel worse than they already feel. I also realize that Fiona Muir is very ill and that Richard Gad deserves a voice but perhaps more effort should have been made to hide her identity. There is also the problem of Fiona Muir not being committed to a psychiatric facility where she would have to have treatment. There are many mental illnesses where asking a person who is delusional to seek psychiatric treatment is of itself a quite unrealistic expectation. I am very curious regarding other peoples thoughts on this.
So changing her name won't protect Gadd and Netflix legally?? Well, to heck with ever doing another movie based on real life events, even with the names changed to protect the innocent (or guilty).. And would these "experts" be so sympathetic if Fiona were a man portrayed as a stalker in a series written and starring a w0man?? I think not... Also, Miss Harvey is much too far gone for therapy. Some people are. She's too extreme, clearly a diagnosable narcissist with sociopathic leanings. She'll expire that way if she lives to be 100. She's like Betty Broderick's sister -- minus the murders. So far.
true, but the show did not say 'based on' a true story, it said it IS a true story.
@@Moishe555 .. So her name was really Martha??
she posts like 20 times a day on her Facebook!! crazy random insults. he portrayed her spot on !!
That's not her actual facebook. That account was opened just last year
@@thetimehascome7441 oh yes it is!!
Why is nobody talking about the fact that Richard's R*pist is still out there not suffering any consequences.
He made a netflix show detailing his ab*se and how it impacted his life and sexuality, but failed to call the police or anything like that.
Its a very poor example to give an audience of people who may or may not be going through the same thing.
He doesn’t owe it to anyone to go forward with charges
@@clairewillow6475 He kinda does when he has the responsibility of setting an example for millions of viewers.
If he doesn't wanna press charges, fair enough. But then he made a huge show where other people will watch and think its normal to be ab*sed and nothing will happen to the attacker.
@@ChriStianbeliever1772 😑
There is no such word as 'disreputed' - the word you're looking for is 'refuted' or 'denied' - get yourself a dictionary or at least make Google your friend!🙄
The “nephew” turns out to be a guy with a criminal record admitting he’s of no relation.
She's delighted at all of this attention !
She needs serious mental help!
What about the r8pist?
@@ElyssaWyld what about him?
No, she needs to be left alone. She may need mental help but she definitely doesn’t need a bunch of loony’s contacting her when they don’t even know her - only from this show. I would think THOSE people would need mental health too.
That's why Richard didn't want to exposed her he said he need to protect her cause of her mental health
@@allypad64she outed herself and went on tv and news and gave interviews. She need mental health clearly know nothing about mental health. Ignorance.
There is no way that I am aware of to get help for someone else, related or not. And if the person doesn’t believe something is wrong with them…. You are just whistling in the dark. At least if he tells his story, the information is out there. Protecting her does nothing helpful for anyone. I applaud Gadd for telling his story.
She's in big trouble if she's guilty
You have omitted some fairly salient points:
1. Netflix have stated that the show is a true story and not simply “based on a true story”. There has never been any indication that elements of the show were dramatised.
2. As a result of the preceding point, you cannot defame somebody under UK law being The Defamation Act 2013. Notably, Netflix have not put forward a defence to the allegation of defamation.
3. Whilst I am sure that Gadd went through some terrible experiences, by his own depiction, he repeatedly attended his rapists home. Is this normal behaviour.
This is what I was speculating, her going to prison for 4-5 months, probably between July 16th 2016(her last tweets on her Fiona2014 account) and December of 2016(the creation of her new account). Maybe she actually got convicted to 9 months just like in the show and got out early. The reason I was speculating hard on that aswell was she was referencing in her last tweets of "having to go" multiple times and that her "26 year old boytoy" was waiting for her. I presumed Richard Gadd was waiting for her in court.
Prison & Jail COMPLETELY 💯 different, and I feel she is playing semantics with the wording to hide stuff.
Yes she could have spent the 110 days standard “lie down” on remand as she was a danger to Gadd and was then given a restraining order when her case was “called”
Then both the “nephew,” “Fiona” and Gadd would all be correct in there statements 😂
Sent from my Iphoen.
Prison and jail are the same thing in the UK.
@@JbScot yep your correct, but she could be playing with words in her insane mind is all im saying;
technically you could be remanded in custody while u await your trial, then get a restraining order when sentenced etc, and then you could make statements like 'I didn't get sentenced to prison, I didn't do 9 months in jail' and not be lying
Prison and jail are not the same in the UK. You go to jail on remand I. e waiting for a case to be heard. If you are found guilty you go to prison.
@@joejohnson6763 your still in the same building, just in a different hall..
Sometimes your not in the remand hall and in wi the big boys lol, especially with now full the system is the now 😂
Victims deserve a voice. But unfortunatelly when it comes to having a voice against someone like Fiona Harvey there's more danger in giving it attention. These people will twist a narrative to fit anything that matches their delusion, the fact that Richard made a show talking about his stalker, to most of us, we see a victim having a voice, bringing up a topic of how men can be victims as well, but to 'Martha' this is saying that he still thinks about her, and if he still thinks of her, this must mean that he still wants her in some way. We saw this when he tried to escape her by telling her that the age gap and not having kids wouldn't make them work out, and she right away made a whole thing to make it work because her goal is just one.
His abuser that was also portrayed on the show will never come forward willingly, this person knows what they did is wrong and they don't want attention-they know what they did is wrong, 'Martha' on the other hand is seeing attention coming her way so she's gonna come out and let us all know who she is. Richard speaking out against his abuser is giving him a voice, speaking out against his stalker/Marth is putting himself on her track again.
Since you asked, I don't think it's the responsibility of a filmmaker to provide information on resources for help. He's brought awareness to the problem, that is enough.
It's interesting that I watched this series and I wasn't sure about watching it at first because I knew it was supposed to be about someone stalking this guy but in the end I saw more it as a story of this man's vulnerability and not a story of stalking. I was impressed by it because you don't often see many shows that show a man's vulnerability in the way this series did and I was left really impacted by that. I found for days afterwards I thought about it and I was really struck by that felt sense of his vulnerability. For me that was the larger message of the series.
Why is no one trying to find the guy who drugged and took advantage of him on multiple occasions? Just wondering.
We already know
He’s not her nephew it was a hoax..
Proof???
My stalker was my ex husband. He stalked me during our ten year relationship as well as afterwards so saying not to have a relationship with them is rubbish. Sometimes people are stalked by obsessive people that they are actually in a relationship with!
So true!
Netflix did offer hotline number for those experiencing stalking. Also, if she did go to jail, there should be record of it. Someone needs to produce it to put it to end the question of whether or not she was incarcerated for stalking.
Wonder what the chances are of her stalking him again now, he's opened a can of worms with her.
I think he has revenged stalked her with BR. He and Netflix knew the internet would find her in a nano second.
I think FH and RG are BOTH unhinged, manipulating and lying .
BUT I think RG is a more smooth operator than FH is . Why don’t we all and also RG expose this male abuser who Aped him while drugging , him, using power of abuse and a lot more . He COULD help save MANY more victims in THESE types of cases .
Everyone is on FH case but who’s on the case of this high profile Apist who works within the uk film , tv industry?
Expose them ALL I say .
You shouldn't be showing people's babies, Facebook or not.
IKR! I'm saying!
The videos in the process of being blurred now. Appreciate the feedback
People shouldn’t be uploading their infants to Facebook in the first place, blame the parents and not the second source.
@@FernBlackwood1995 Good point
It’s a public page and he is posting stuff about his aunt, you don’t get to “expose” other people while staying anonymous.
This is nuts. He has the right to tell the story.
Could it be that the show made Fiona`s mental state worse? Yes
BUT! When I was watching the show I thought - this woman should not go to jail, she needs a psychiatrist because her issues had not been addressed, jail will do nothing
He lied about being the nephew. It was a joke. He is NOT her nephew and made it all up.