4-dimensional golf is on another level 🤯
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- Today I'm playing 4D Golf by @CodeParade
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"Would you mind delivering the new couch to my living room? It's up the stairs and to the ana. No don't place it there, a little to the kata"
Hah! Nice comment! 👍
Instructions unclear, couch is now lost in another dimension?! 😵💫
@@mxb2432 ugh, you 3d being! You dropped my couch!
Intructions unclear‚ the couch was lost in 5D
@@Uni_974 ugh, you regular being! You LOST my couch!
i audibly said NO WAY when i saw the notification
this game is so underrated and more people need to talk about it yessss
I seen you somewhere before
I saw the development videos of it and hyperbolica but raised Tibees is the perfect person to play it 😁
I love that... journal? Looks absolutely awesome.
It almost feels like a journal in the fourth dimension.
Now that there's 4D Golf, we could definitely use a 4D Tetris, then a 4D Doom, and perhaps a 4D Liminal Spaces type game...
I vaguely remember some 4D pong game from the Windows XP era
i wanna play a 4D racing game. somehow.
Before we can have 4D Tetris we have to have 3D Tetris
@@bennyfrohna76754D golf actually does have a "marble mode" where you move along the track on a timer instead of using golf rules. And it has multiplayer support as well
@@joshorton9061 Plenty 3D tetris since the 80'ies.
Personally, I would go for a 4D RTS game. Not the one with the time machine. But 4D spaces.
I never thought I would see a game featured in one of Tibees Videos. Just to be clear I am not complaining just expressing surprise. I can see why she likes it so much!
We got 4D golf before GTA 6
I think we'll have GTA9 before we have Elder Scrolls 6.
It's quite funny cause "ana and kata" is almost similar to "ano and kato" which in greek means up and down. So not only can't we visualise the forth dimension in a 3d space, the names themselves come from our undestanding of the three dimensions still!
hinton actually got ana and kata from ancient greek!
Haha, I thought ana and kata were Greek for up and down so what you said makes it seem like they ARE more different words 😂
Since we're quite good at simulating three dimensions on a 2D plane... I do wonder if it might be easier to simulate four dimensions on a holographic display, or in VR...
They literally are the Greek words
@@Milaaq302 It would look exactly the same, only with us being enabled depth perception
1:51 : in this game, aiui, Anth and Kanth are used for the extra cardinal directions (fitting with North, South, East, West, Up, Down), while ana and kata are used for directions relative to one’s facing, along with forward, backwards, left, right, up, and down.
13:28 I feel like the only time I've been close to understanding the 4th dimension is staring at thoae rotating hypercube animations on Wikipedia for like 15 minutes at a time. And even then it's like I only understood that one shape and immediately forgot again once I stopped looking.
Relatable. Have done the same
I honestly did love playing on complex looking playground equipment. I even remember imaging the halls of my elementary school as being a corridor in a spaceship. My school building, being the spaceship. All I had to do was imagine it, helped me get through a long school day
Probably the easiest way to comprehend the fourth dimension is not by simply visualizing it in a one and done. I don't think that is how our minds work. We cannot comprehend it because it is like a photograph trying to visualize a youtube video. We can't really comprehend it directly but if we take snapshots of our reality we can piece it together so that it one part of it will be viewable.
You can imagine it by projecting it onto a 3D transparent view (such that you can see everything in the 3D volume). Then you can visualise all 10 degrees of freedom. 6 from the normal 3D, 3 that are 4D turnings that look like moving aling the 3 axes but loop around (same as in real life when you spin it looks similar to moving left and right but it loops), and a kind of zooming for the final dimension.
So replacing one temporal dimension for one spacial dimension.
Nothing has made me understand the 4th dimension more than watching this game
I think my favorite part was before I got the game, watching people build up their understanding also helped me understand it too!
Me : "Here's my painting 🖌️🎨😌"
My Friend : "Where ?"
Me : "It's there itself, go +5 Ana"
5:38 You *can* project the 4D world onto a 3D screen in your game, and then render that screen as a 3D cube to your actual 2D screen. You have to use wireframe (otherwise some parts of the image obscure others), and busy scenes are nigh impossible to interpret, but it gives you a decent interpretation of what a 4D being would actually see (and satisfies a ton of oldschool vector graphics nostalgia).
Elite in 4d !!
You could call this video: Mini Golf on Magic Mushrooms.
Speaking of mushroom 👁👁👁
@@BigDuke-6 Ever heard of humour? People call me things often but I don’t take it to heart.
Imagine if this was an RPG. 4D world with 4D enemies and bosses.
someone made 4d minecraft too
Loved this. My brain hurts a little.
I really love the concept of higher dimensional games and I understood a lot of what you are explaining in your 4D videos, so this video is just perfect :)
I now have a whole new appreciation for Picasso’s cubist paintings. He was painting in 4 D.
🤯
The things that I found really helpful when learning to understand (and fully birdie) the game were that volume view is a top-down view, meaning Ana and Kata movement is just another form of sideways; and that slopes will always preserve any momentum that isn't happening along its gradient (think about how a ball hit straight up a ramp will fall back down it, while a ball hit at an angle up the ramp will move back down, but also move sideways as much as it would without the ramp). Once I grasped that I found it much easier to conceptualize where to go next.
At this point I just replay the courses trying to use different visualization modes to try to get a more complete intuition for the space.
Now I want 4D Super Mario.
I remember when Super Mario Galaxy came out and my very young son was playing it easily while it felt very topsy turvy to me. Like Charles Hinton, I wondered if it was shaping his brain to think in a different space than I was able to pick up on.
@@AmyFerguson Probably the game I enjoyed the most. Many games have a full 3D level design, but a curved level design was not trivial it would work. Sometimes in fact it was not very intuitive how to move the control stick.
Another dimension of platformer for a streamer DougDoug to be bad on (it's an in-joke that he keeps insisting on he's good at 2D platformers).
oh this game is insane 🤯🤯 but honestly somehow made it easier to understand the 4th dimension, thanks for sharing !! 💗
Any time Tibees branches into new genres, it's always a hit! The ASMR and Bob Ross vids are still some of my favorites!
There was a simple 4D game in Linux many years ago and this is much more advanced
Ok, I watched this video and then I had to go to sleep because I was overloaded. I'll give it a shot again tomorrow. Thank you: you glorious genius. I appreciate your work in explaining higher dimensions to us less inclined folk.
Makes me think of the Miegakure game, which is also a 4D game
The mezzanine is well worth the entire price of admission for this game. My favorite part.
I feel like 4D games should be played on 3D holograms, as your 2D screen is already simulating a dimension.
I will call my sculptures ‘4D paintings’ from now on, sounds so much cooler!
i am not sure this is accurate.
Why would you call 3D lines art 👁👁👁
If you make a CT scan or something like that of your sculptures, then perhaps yes
All 3D sculptures are 4D if they persist through some period of time
@@ideallyyours No. Please no. We are talking about 4 spatial dimensions here.
Nice !
Just a precision, 5th and 6th cardinal points are historically named "Zenith" and "Nadir" (from Arabic). These terms are officially in use for aeronautics, space navigation and of course Astronomical and satellite coordinates.
I've played on Jungle Gyms before. I did not learn 4D shapes from it.
That's because you didn't fall and hit your brain into kate‚ trust me you would understand 4D right way
Thank you for sharing. From my 4D world to yours.
I’m in love with the note book in this video
There is an older 4d space game called Adanaxis. Not as good as the 4d golf but still kind of neat.
Found you years ago but it’s been a delight to see you on Jet Lag for a second time (though I’m Team Ben and Adam for life)
That's insane I just wishlisted this a few hours ago and now you make a video about it!
Golf while losing all conception of where your friends are!
One, this is amazing. Two, 4d creature per this game would be just as terrifying as I thought it would be as Im watching this game
Woah!!! 4th dimensional space and the way it is presented in this game is a bit much to grasp, lol. Thank you for this insightful and informative video.
That's kinda the beauty of it though, when playing you'll get a feel for it anyway.
now i want 4d elite dangerous, imagine those dogfights!
You are an amazing interdimensional teacher, and somehow the glittering characters on each segment of the video give a 90's vibe to it! I love to listen to your lessons. Thanks!
I love this game. I bought it the first hour it was released. Code Parade is awesome. I must say I play more intuitively than you do. I never analyzed it like this, I just kind of used my intuition, the same way I got a fully paid bursary for electronic engineering.
The only thing that I understand are the Greek words ana/kata (άνω/κάτω). But feels good to know that we still have lot to learn, keeps me positive that humans still can't destroy the world.
Programming a game in 4D would be quite the task!
This is so interesting! I think a title like "Explaining the 4th Dimension, with 4D Golf!" might be better for the algorithm but honestly that might not be something you're interested in.
Anyway, thanks for the interesting video!
I love your walkthrough through the game! Your anecdotes about the fourth dimension are so interesting :)
I love this video. Great explanation of the 4th dimension. I have to get this game!
Rudolf Steiner talks about after thinking a lot about 4d, that we begin to dream in 4d.
How interesting, I think that some of the reviews that the game got have mentioned this happening too.
Brilliant video gives a lot of insight into the fourth dimension and the properties arising from adding dimensions
Excellent review. I am pleasantly surprised by your covering of a game, and even more so that the game looks so promising
I am off to watch some of their development vids
this is actually a really cool concept for a video game, wishlisted!
directions unclear. im on Jupiter, was trying to go to cvs
The 4D being was actually trying to send you towards the sun‚ he just missed his shot.
@@Uni_974 now imagining a 4-dimensional Toby playing with us the way regular Toby does with the 2D Creature.
A miniature golfer's fever nightmare . . . .
13:18: The thing about not being able to 'truly' visualize a 4D object, is that it's also impossible to 'truly' visualize a 3D object. We only have 2D vision, and need to view a 3D object from multiple directions to form a mental idea of the what the object "is". We can do the same thing with 4D objects, i.e. view a hypercube from all directions in 4D space to build up a mental image. We're just projecting down 2 dimensions into our field of view rather than the usual 1. So it's just as possible to "see" a 4D object as it is to "see" a 3D object - one 2D projection at a time.
This is so cool. Thank you.
Going to DL this and play around with it.
something Kirk and Spock would enjoy.
I love your journal! It's so cool!
Quite deligthful. Thanks❤♡
I hope you will get to cover these concepts again when the game Miegakure comes out. Yes, I'm still hopeful that it will at some point in time be released. Not sure if I'll be alive for it. XD
Ahhhhh, Miegakure. Only been waiting for years and years...
"Slices of a 4D Painting" sounds like a wicked album name
I bet CodeParade will love it that you made an entire video about his 4D golf.
Looks nice. Thank you for showing. : )
Loved this on Nebula ❤
P.S. good luck competing against the boys. 😄🏆
As someone who loves programming and maths, CodeParade is a huge inspiration. Sebastian Lague, tom7, Ben Eater and bitluni also do some fun and very technically impressive projects. And I know I'm forgetting at least one more.
This reminds me of the Doom video I saw recently where they tried scaling the value of π. I wonder if the xyz space is parametrized in a 4th variable or how that engine is rendering the image on the screen. Also, how much inertia does that ball have when it hits a wall? If there's no gravity does the course absorb all of the force imparted by the ball in motion?
Yeah, coordinates in this game use 4 variables: xyzw. As for how it's rendering, I'm no expert in computer graphics and from what I gather it's very complicated. The devlogs talk about it a bit.
The course is fixed; when the ball hits a wall, it gets reflected back, just like in ordinary 3d minigolf games. There IS gravity, it's just that depending on what view you're looking at you can't always notice it. If you're looking up-down-north-south-east-west, you see gravity in the up-down direction; if you're in volume view, looking north-south-east-west-ana-kata, you don't notice any gravity because it's all in the up-down direction that's currently hidden from your view.
The above being said, there is friction. As the ball rolls along the track it slows down. So in that sense, yes, the course absorbs the motion of the ball.
What a mind bender!
I have a headache now.
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I bet it would be easier to visualize 4d (maybe even 5d) spaces using "3d goggles", where you could actually see a 4th dimensional displacement. (tho you'd have to overcome your automatic correlation of the expected overlapping view of your two eyes, or do something clever in the projections to take advantage of it)
How does gravity work in 4D?
I love the question ...
There's still only one dimension with gravity, out of four, which means the ground is 3D
Locally, it just pulls in the down direction (that's why we call it 'down' after all). The ana/kata axis is unaffected by gravity, just like the north/south axis is unaffected by gravity, until you start involving slopes.
More broadly (but also kind of a cheap answer), gravity equations work just as well with 4d vectors as they do with a 3d vectors.
@@Huntraconywhat if we rephrase the question using newtons model of universal gravitation
I feel flabbergasted, but I love it :)
It's interesting that 4D golf can be visualized in 3D, because golf takes place on a 2D plane, at least when the course is small.
Hey Toby nice video
These multi-dimension simulating games are so intriguing.
It was so cool when you first showed the volume view. Blew my mind
Now wait for Mark Broadie to calculate Strokes Gained.
The 3D to 4D mind messing is lessened by the fairly 2D golf course, which makes it easier to understand imo. You see up/down as ana/kata.
Omg the volume view is exactly what i was talking about that's great
Learning how to better visualize 4D space is why I have been waiting for Miegakure to come out. I'll have to tide myself over with this game until that comes out. (:
This is the golf of Truth. ❤
I was okay with this game explanation until you mentioned that one can select which dimension you can hide - THAT is a step and beyond! 😃 VERY cool ☺️
it’s not often I see the same person twice in the same day (but on different channels) in my sub feed. Furthermore this might be the first time it’s happened without crossover promotion built into the video. o7
And then there are also the other gamemode of marble mode as well as the level editor
I love both channels
Oh my god, I get it now. Mimes don't have invisible boxes, they're just boxes placed in the fourth dimension.
Charles Hinton was difficult to understand . He only ever made statements that approximated what he wanted to say.
This video literally made my brain hurt. 10/10
makes me hope miegakure gets out one day
As a fan of both Jet Lag: The Game and 4D Golf, this video is a wonderful surprise!
For a precursor to this game a sandbox called 4dToys exists. It gives a brief explanation and a number of shapes with physics to play around with.
My Brain hurts!
TOBY PLAYED 4D GOLF???
There is also 4D Toys on steam.
Not necessarily extra dimensional, but Antichamber, and Superliminal might be some games you would also enjoy.
Thanks Tibees!
genius, getting this game, nice one
I think it was a mistake to watch this one late in the evening after a hard day's work. I'll have to give it another view tomorrow. Thanks!
My head hurts.
Maybe this game will give a way to imagine the un-imaginable fourth dimension, in the way that Kerbal Space Program game gave a way to comprehend the incomprehensible size of space and forces within.
Besides Tibees's, i also love the comments 😊. Thanks, Tibees 🐝🍀🍀FM
like in fringe series, going to another dimension on the same level as the one we know
Charles Hinton was Geoffrey Hinton’s (one of the pioneers of deep learning which in part relies on high-dimensional embedding of input vectors) great-grandfather!
I _JUST_ subbed days ago, and downloaded this game _JUST_ days ago too!
TOBY! MY BROTHER'S NAME IS TOBIN.
STOP MAKING PROPHECY! ITS DANGEROUS!