Really hope Paterson can sell the replacement top lid alone without the funnel. It is usually this lid gets torn up during heavy use over time, the funnel last a lot longer hence does not need replacement as often.
But it surely takes considerable time to fill up the 5-reel tank, no? Wouldn't the film on the bottom reel get overdeveloped? Also, you can process two 120 films on a single reel. Just tape them together, end-to-end, so they don't overlap. Yes, it's tricky, but it totally can be done.
No, because when you turn the tank upside down to pour out the chemicals, the process inverts. The bottom reel (now the top reel) gets exposed the least and the top reel (now the bottom reel) gets exposed the longest. This results in the top and bottom reels averaging out to have the same chemical exposure time.
I got away from this tank system after ruining two rolls of film while dumping developer into the sink. If the inner funnel rotates it can open enough to allow light into the tank. I now use a system that screws securely, also the reel is a joke much easier to use the plastic reels with the protruding lips that allow you to easily guide your film onto the reel, the old metals reel work better also. The problem with the Patterson tank is the funnel is inserted than turned about a quarter turn to close it, however it doesn't lock into place and is loose. So it's easy for the wet slippery plastic to rotate and if you loose your grip even a little it can pop up as you dump the tank. The larger the tank the easier to mess up, I now use the AP which is much better also better reel .
Your tank or inner funnel was probably defective, I find that the inner funnel clicks and locks into place just fine on my thrift shop find Paterson tank.
120 takes 500 ml per reel, so 2 reels = 1 l. Also, 120 film is only 60 mm wide. 120 film is the 20th size of roll film that Eastman Kodak Company released (they started counting with 101).
Hi, i have an old Paterson tank, the smallest for one reel, it belongs to my grandpa. I'm a 35 mm beginner and i'd like to know if you suggest to buy a two reels tank or keep the smallest for the moment. Thank you. Francesco
Since you already have access to the single-reel tank, use it for the moment. If you get hooked (and you will), upgrade to the next size. I have had my Paterson gear for over 20 years. It's great.
Why compare one poor tank with another? Patterson tanks leak. The top sealing lid is harder to remover and attach. Many complain about the reels being hard to load, although I suspect that the complaint relates to trying to load damp reels, which would be a problem for any plastic reel. My personal objection to them is that the huge funnel formed out of the tank top traps a ridiculous amount of air inside the tank, which excessively aerates the developer during inversion agitation. Patterson would say that you should use the twist rod to spin the reel in the tank instead of inversion. That is an uneven agitation, film on the outside of the reel getting most agitation, and film near the core getting almost none. The "twist rod" was a poor idea for agitation when introduced in Yankee (cheap crap) and Ansco (not so cheap) tanks more than 60 years ago. Skip Patterson and buy an AP if you want this style of tank and film reel.
Mine are about 20 years old and I've never had a single complaint with them. Loads fine, doesn't leak, and never had any problems with over/under development! :) I also develop 2 120 films on a single reel.
@@fella704 If yours works for you, great, but there is a significant group out there who have had the lid blow off and dump bix into their laps while doing C-41 color. Basically, the internal funnel was a terrible idea because it requires that thin sealing lid which has little to grasp, and designed the mess with no pressure relief to compensate.
Really hope Paterson can sell the replacement top lid alone without the funnel. It is usually this lid gets torn up during heavy use over time, the funnel last a lot longer hence does not need replacement as often.
This is very helpful. Thank you!
But it surely takes considerable time to fill up the 5-reel tank, no? Wouldn't the film on the bottom reel get overdeveloped?
Also, you can process two 120 films on a single reel. Just tape them together, end-to-end, so they don't overlap. Yes, it's tricky, but it totally can be done.
No, because when you turn the tank upside down to pour out the chemicals, the process inverts. The bottom reel (now the top reel) gets exposed the least and the top reel (now the bottom reel) gets exposed the longest. This results in the top and bottom reels averaging out to have the same chemical exposure time.
this is so exciting. I was thinking how big can it go haha …wait 5 that’s crazy haha
How many ml go into the 5 reel tank?
Nice & Thanks :)
I got away from this tank system after ruining two rolls of film while dumping developer into the sink. If the inner funnel rotates it can open enough to allow light into the tank. I now use a system that screws securely, also the reel is a joke much easier to use the plastic reels with the protruding lips that allow you to easily guide your film onto the reel, the old metals reel work better also. The problem with the Patterson tank is the funnel is inserted than turned about a quarter turn to close it, however it doesn't lock into place and is loose. So it's easy for the wet slippery plastic to rotate and if you loose your grip even a little it can pop up as you dump the tank. The larger the tank the easier to mess up, I now use the AP which is much better also better reel .
Your tank or inner funnel was probably defective, I find that the inner funnel clicks and locks into place just fine on my thrift shop find Paterson tank.
Sweet
How much chemistry needed in the three reel tank if you are developing two reels of 120mm film?
120 takes 500 ml per reel, so 2 reels = 1 l. Also, 120 film is only 60 mm wide. 120 film is the 20th size of roll film that Eastman Kodak Company released (they started counting with 101).
@@williamhamblen3808 yes, I posted that a year ago. I now use five reel tanks.
Hi, i have an old Paterson tank, the smallest for one reel, it belongs to my grandpa. I'm a 35 mm beginner and i'd like to know if you suggest to buy a two reels tank or keep the smallest for the moment. Thank you.
Francesco
Since you already have access to the single-reel tank, use it for the moment. If you get hooked (and you will), upgrade to the next size. I have had my Paterson gear for over 20 years. It's great.
how many mililiters you need for two 35mm films in paterson universal?
600ml
I still use the older Paterson tanks, I just find them easier to use....
Which ones, the metal ones?
Why compare one poor tank with another? Patterson tanks leak. The top sealing lid is harder to remover and attach. Many complain about the reels being hard to load, although I suspect that the complaint relates to trying to load damp reels, which would be a problem for any plastic reel. My personal objection to them is that the huge funnel formed out of the tank top traps a ridiculous amount of air inside the tank, which excessively aerates the developer during inversion agitation. Patterson would say that you should use the twist rod to spin the reel in the tank instead of inversion. That is an uneven agitation, film on the outside of the reel getting most agitation, and film near the core getting almost none. The "twist rod" was a poor idea for agitation when introduced in Yankee (cheap crap) and Ansco (not so cheap) tanks more than 60 years ago. Skip Patterson and buy an AP if you want this style of tank and film reel.
Mine are about 20 years old and I've never had a single complaint with them. Loads fine, doesn't leak, and never had any problems with over/under development! :)
I also develop 2 120 films on a single reel.
@@fella704 same here. Use mine weekly and zero leaks.
@@fella704 Same here. And I use this tank for C-41 and E-6 films, so any unevenness would certainly be noticeable.
@@fella704 If yours works for you, great, but there is a significant group out there who have had the lid blow off and dump bix into their laps while doing C-41 color. Basically, the internal funnel was a terrible idea because it requires that thin sealing lid which has little to grasp, and designed the mess with no pressure relief to compensate.
Yeaaaaaahh I have a 20+ year old tank no problems like you've stated