These CS2 Cheaters Just Lost Everything
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- čas přidán 4. 10. 2023
- After a ton of speculation and disappointment surrounding VAC Live, CS2 has just received its first massive ban wave with hundreds of accounts receiving the hammer along with the thousands of dollars they had in skins.
However, even with this good news, some are speculating whether or not this is truly the beginning of a bright future or just another bandaid on a bullet wound.
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I cannot, for the life of me, find out why some people are downplaying the cheating issue instead of addressing it for valve to do something about it. Closet cheaters are the worst man.
the real problem is that some cheaters going beyond and read off the ram of your system (hardware cheats) which can be interpreted on a 2nd computer and therefore have a radar where all enemies can be seen. Because it only reads the ram you can't detect it. Those cheaters have just too much money somehow ...
@@Michael-yb7jh > The riot anti-cheat is what got me into valorant over CS
> Proceeds to describe how he was toxic then started cheating and got a VACation
It was your behavior and VAC, not Riot.
@@chupasaurusbro could not deal with the consequences of his actions
Denial is the strongest copium there is, but imagine subscribing monthly just to play CS2 :)
@@Viraled You know there are lifetime subscriptions right?
EDIT: Theres also free cheats that are currently undetected.
When I was younger all I cared about was ELO and I cursed cheaters for making me lose ranks, now that I'm older all I care about is time, each game I encounter a cheater, both in the enemy or same team is time lost from a limited daily hour pool and this is what angers me the most.
I had 3 rounds in a row with real life friends where we encountered super sus people every game we played, not blatant spin bots, but Waller's and possible aim bots, I was jiggling angles and not exposing and they were prefiring and pulling full running headshots, 3 games in a row, so discouraging because it's hard at 30+ with a life to get friends together or even have the time to game at all.
@@Huardo Exactly, I'm 27 and I'm lucky that I almost always meet my real life friends in discord to play in week days, but having like 3 hours free each day and using them to play against cheaters is pretty angering.
like they're slowly killing you. all you have in life is time.
yeah im 29 and im not happy with the state of cheating in general in 1.6 you saw a cheater maybe 0.5% of the time, and it had vac and people cheating it just wasnt desireable like it is now, Look up random Cs2 Legit cheating videos on CZcams and you'll find people making money off of videos and promoting certain cheats.. its heart breaking.. having only 2-5 hours a day to even relax and unwind from life and its against cheaters.. makes me so sad :(
Cheaters honestly have no life… a bunch of sore losers that are lost and a bunch of babies… cheating has gotten worse in everysingle video game now… r6,csgo,valorant,call of duty, etc etc. most of them are young teenage nerds that have nothing to do.
seeking that dopamine rush and getting the slight feel of "how it might be" to be MVP
Cheaters have my respect, yk how much genius and maths you need to create a efficient hacking software that works
@@Tomogara its actually sad tho… how has everyone become so dogshit they need to cheat to be “competitive” its sooo many now. Makes me miss the Good old days were there weren’t as many saddos about 🤦🏻♂️
@@MyCrazyStories743 almost 0% of the cheaters code their software themself. Almost everyone pays a provider something like 10-30€ a month to get access to the cheat.
@@MyCrazyStories743you are not respecting the cheater, you are respecting the creator. Cheater just paying money, and sit on their butt all day.
I think the hardest part about breaking the cheater mentality is punishing toxic players when they're called out for cheating. So many toxic players cheat, then say "git gud" or "mad cuz bad" etc. Cheaters need to be shamed out of existence.
it wont ever work i put a post on the steam discussions page for CS GO with a link to they guy live streaming on youtube his cheats to sell.. and a link to his steam profile so they could be reported
they took my post down cause you cant name and shame.
and was still streaming / cheating on the same account months after.
So many good players shit on people and say git gud. So if you don’t have a RAT on his pc you won’t know if he’s cheating or just good.
this is a double edged sword, i say the same shit when bots call me a cheater, anyone from silver-mge/dmg thinks ur cheating when you one tap them and read them like a book lmao
I say that too when I win. Thats just toxic fps community
These people didn't and don't have father's, it will not work call them about and drop reports
Just played a game on Mirage where my team lost because the enemy team had more cheaters than we did... Holy shit Valve get it together
that shi happened to me on a daily basis 2 years ago before i quit lmao
just played a game with 2 cheaters queued together and a 3rd dude queued with them whos not even cheating. i cant play this game im done
cheaters are what keep me from enjoying this game. i run into them nearly constant.
cheating in cs became so bad that even tho game is fun to play i consider quiting aswell, feels like huge wasate of time
Probably 1% of my games have had a cheater, but it was extremely blatant when they were
had 2 today
I played 5 games of ranked and had cheaters in 2, went in casual and there was 2 in the first game I joined 😂
I mean it probably depends on the servers. If you live in Asia, you get 1 spinbotter every 3 games and a wallhacker in *every game.* Mofos are just too good at hiding them so the only way to detect wallhackers is to watch your replays.
It's more than you think..... you just aren't observant enough.
Much more you just dont notice
It's somehow going over the head of valve that in chess (where the elo system is lifted from) you get WIN elo adjustment when your opponent does something wrong or cheats ... Same happens in tournament format matches; people disobeying the rules forfeit their match(es).
I mean, shit, even faceit does this when they detect smurfers and cheaters...
Over 60% of my games so far have had cheaters
I report cheaters everyday. I SPEC for hours. I love to receive the notification that someone(s) I reported was VAC BANNED. I'll do my part to report cheaters even if it seems futile.
Maybe u should get some hobbies instead of watching cheaters
@@lu1zh16 I must have reported you.
Since when does it notify you?
@@remington897you can add a steam account that let's u know if anyone has been banned.
@@remington897sounds like you're just reporting people who are better than you 😂
I had a cheater on enemy team. At the start he was hiding it but then i noticed it felt like he is prefiring with awp and always headshoting with awp. We switched sides and were up a couple rounds aswell. Before the 2nd pistol round i called him out in chat saying "hvh?" jokingly obv cause i dont cheat. He started wallbang headshoting after that. He was so bad that we still won the game. Tells a lot about who cheats.
Woah! Your won for first time against that real-time in-match cheater. What a gigachad 😎
Hope they won against cheaters in-game too
While not happening every game, fairly often there will be a blatantly obvious cheater on their team or mine.
I get the curiousity, I tried cheats when I started playing CSS like over 15 years ago, got bored after a couple days and never touched them again. It was fun trolling on dm but cheating in competitive games trying to act legit is just sad.
real as hell
Once a cheater always a cheater
then I guess he was never a cheater@@SUPER8ALTERN8
@@SUPER8ALTERN8 This isn't true, literally proven by the comment. Not to mention there are a lot of popular CS players that started and quit cheating long ago, LOLYOU and mOE are good examples of this.
This is a really bad ideology to have since you're essentially saying a person cannot improve themselves which obviously isn't true.
@@nullcoreproject Once a cheater ALWAYS a cheater, you cannot undo the past, its like virginity, it only goes once, if u cheated u will have that on your head the rest of your life. I've been playing this game longer than you've been alive, I don't make the rules.
The cheating problem is never solved since CSGO, I don't even think they will anyway
You mean in every cs? Lol
of cause they wont solve it. valve makes a metric shit ton of money from cheaters so why would they?
@@nycoolj3 I haven't play other CS so I'm just saying the thing that I know, not sure if Source and 1.6 was like this tho
@@YesMyMahiru always the same hackers
Dude! Cheats were a thing way back in freaking 1.5 almost 2 decades ago.
EDIT: In case you don't know the timeline, it was back when ball mice were a thing. Damn I miss those balls. They were the OG fidget spinners.
I would love like a legal auction of banned skins. Imagine if people could buy the skins off banned accounts (after some time ofcourse to negate false bans), like Valve could just put them up for an auction and pocket whatever the new owner bit for it.
This would avoid legendary skins potentially be lost forever cause of a single loser.
not gonna happen. valve likes that theese skins are lost forever as they increase skin prices
@@larshardwaretests9561 valve dosnt really make anything from high tier trading cause it rarely happens on Steam anyway. It happens on third party sides lol
@@fabiopauli420skin gets more expensive = more demand = more players thats want to obtain it = opening more cases/trade ups
Can’t do that, they still technically own the skin
@@danielchoi9609 valve is god in this regard. Valve has taken skins away from accounts before in TF2 for example. Even in Steams User Subscriber Agreement explains under paragraph 4 that you agree that if you cheat. Steam reserves the right to restrict or even TERMINATE your access to any given item in their catalog. Including „subscriptions“ however you will find that workshop items made by third parties are considered Subscription items according to paragraphs 5 and 6. This would include skins and therefore if you cheat steam has the, by you signed, right to take your access to them away asap.
Edit: i referenced the EULA i should have reference the SUS my bad
have your tried double black ? I prefer that over red label. is that your fav ?
Im like 90% sure subtick was introduced by valve as a way to collect more data from clients to feed the anticheat with more priceise inputs as it would help decide if someone is cheating.
If the anticheat only gets a maximum of 64 actions per second there is a limit to what VAC can conclude from the data but if a cheat client triggers multiple events at inhuman speeds between ticks or similar stuff the VAC anticheat would detect it. I just think the main issue now is that valves VAC live AI needs to train on more data from players that they are certain were cheating.
sounds too good to be true
That's... I mean, don't get me wrong, that would be a genius idea.
But like... I can't believe in it. I'm hopeful though.
This is just completely wrong and a total mis understanding of how sub tick works. Fml no wonder people are just talking non stop bs when you people are throwing shit like this out there for people to read and gobble up as fact.
@@Frostile Oh splendid, yet another tech guru that knows what's unknowable.
Two things :
1 - Sub-tick implies that by performing an action in game, said action is sent to the server with a completion time attached to it. The server then reads all that information, and proceeds to calculate a sequence of events in chronological order using the timestamps, and then sends an updated status of the game on the next tick, which we now know is each 1/64th of a second. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, it would be possible to recover the data of one player's inputs during a match and list them. Whether they are doing so is, as was said by the commentator, not certain, even though he feels it is likely. Personally, I don't.
2 - Do please introduce us to "how Subtick works", which should be unbelievably easy with no official statement of how it actually does work and only mass speculation on its actual algorithmic functionalities and 1 minute PR video. And don't bother stating that "it works by sending two files per tick, one smaller one and one bigger one no bigger than 1301 bytes", because I know that already, and if anything, that makes the possibility of reading the inputs from players and compiling them in a statistical fashion all the more likely.
Stop coping. AI anti cheat has not worked in any game to properly detect cheaters. CoD tried it and now they had to implement a 7 day cooldown to manually review the AI’s reports because of all the false positives. AI depends on the data it is fed. Valve is cherry picking gameplay from who they think are closet cheating, if other closet cheaters play differently they won’t be caught. If regular players play the same they get false positives.
The only thing AI is good is catching blatant cheaters which Overwatch was already successful at.
With no kill cam it's hard to tell because I have relied on it for so long for finding suspects.
Not a lot of people uses aim assist. Problem is wallhack and it's just 5 people and one-two using cheats and boosting other accounts for sale. That's the core of this problem.
I've been playing CS for aeons - and the cheater problem seems worse than ever. That combined with the persistent issues of the game, with poor hit reg and the still extreme peekers advantage and misc. bugs has led to me uninstalling the game, hoping they get it sorted in three to four months.
Out of 30matches in cs2, i only had like 6-7 full legit matches.
In the others was at least one tracking enemies throu walls across the map, jump headshotting everyone or even spinning, knew every rotation and instandly knew where the last dude was in a 1v1.
But the clean matches i had have been so much fun and the mates so nice, i never had that good matches in csgo
I tried playing comp and was up 8 to 4 in first half. Didn't win a single round in the second half because someone on the opposing team left and then turned on hacks
I got to lose all my 10 rankup matches because of cheaters 4-5 weeks ago
edit: also was for premier mode
I played 5 and had cheaters in 2 of them, whilst I had full silver/unranked team mates
Gotta love when justice is served
Aimware is legit the most banned cheat of ALL time. This isnt justice served. This what they all knew was coming. At least the non moron one's who didn't link there accounts to there cheating account. They just make a new one and start over. No justice served here brother.
Them disabling demos probably emboldened a lot of people too
During the beta I felt like I played a cheater maybe 1 out of 4 games. Now I feel like it's probably half the games I play.
1/4 is still way to high considering there’s only 10 players in a match, it’s unacceptable.
Crazy idea for a CS2. First purge all the items now stuck on these accounts that can't trade. Make a case, sticker capsule, and patch bundle called " returned from the void" collection, where it contains a finite number of items which everything repo'd. From the cheaters.
😂
no, that would fuck the market
Even if they are cheaters. they are entitled to keep their skins that they paid for even though its worthless now XD
@@Uniquel0l CS2 players at police auctions when they see that items confiscated by the police being sold as "Fucking the market":
@@mr.wonderful4737 from my pov no they are not. They are risking it all with their behaviour and should be punished accordingly.
I have seen a few cheaters, but for me, the matchmaking system putting me with horrible teammates all the time is worse
it's always team-mate's fault
100% of steam users have a Mic but nobody can give a callout to save their life.
I'm saying this now, this fight is not valve alone to shoulder. We need to do our part aswell to report and vote kick teammate that cheat. I've just had a game not to long ago where the opponent team have a cheater to which their team turned a blind eye, and did absolutely nothing about it. And it's infuriating. We need to unify against this, winning doesn't matter if it's not based on the merit of your skill.
Thank you. i realized pretty fast that there was a ban wave as i lost 3k rating for playing 1 match with a apparent cheater.. (he was bottomfragging and we lost the game) i am veri sad. Never re-Q with randoms, people have to be vetted through and through. :p
Is that a liquor bottle in the bottom right corner?
I'm currently doing placements in premier, i fail to play more than 1 game in a sitting bc of the cheating. Currently played 10 games, and on every game i have 1 in the game finishing 45 kills+, pulling the most random kills in clutches to the point it cant be legit. I get some people are good and dont have a rank yet, but like cmon i dont thing ive had a game yet where a player havent done a 1v4 and 3 of the kills comes straight through smokes/walls.
I already got 4 messages from leetify that a player i played against got banned. Two from the beta and 2 since release.
My games in the morning have no cheaters at all. In the night, however, my team and I get put up against at least 2 cheaters almost every match.
Aimware is a detected cheat among the hvh communities from the very start. People were getting banned for using that cheat in CSGO too, there are other cheats out there, which are totally undetected and can be used to wall, aim and rage ingame.
Closet cheating is huge in CS2 people need to realise just cause someone isn’t top fragging or carrying the game it doesn’t mean they are not cheating. There are closet cheaters who only go hard when they need a important round which will end up wining the game.
ye
Usually referred to as “legit cheating” and it’s honestly worse than blatant cheating. At least with someone who is blatant, you know they’ll be caught eventually and you can write it off. But when someone is legit cheating, you have people in the game coming to their defense because they don’t know how to spot it.
All my patches in my agent slot switched for some reason :(
I’ve had 3 cheaters on the other team in 1 game. I’m getting a cheater every other game it seems too
No one is gonna talk about the true gamer drink in the background?
The Johnnie walker red label
Allot of those clips can easily be regular gameplay, heading gunfire and pinpointing the location, spraying and praying it'll go hit through the wall. Sage
I dont know where all these cheaters are but theyre not in my games. In GO I legit had a cheater every 100 games if even. I downloaded some demos when I was suspicious but it turned out they were just better almost every time.
How designing a game from the ground up to ensure cheating wasn't as difficult as possible wasn't their number one priority is beyond me. They had the opportunity to do that with CS2 and just didn't. At this point I think most people would welcome far more intrusive anti-cheat.
There is still plenty of cheaters in CS2
plenty ? since they released premier mode there is more cheaters than EVER, its obvious since they got more motivation to cheat to become top100 player worldwide
played a lotta games yesterday between wingman and premier and it was about a 1 in 4 chance of having a cheater in game
Only had 1 game where someone was blatantly cheating and that was before the release of Cs2
i fell like in almoust each game there is at list 1 or 2 cheaters i have now 15 hours cs 2.
i haven't play alot of matches but maybe i'm just lucky to not face any blatant cheaters yet, hopium that valve gonna keep improving the vac ban issues.
we have the same speakers and bottle of scotch lol
played 6 Games of premiere, had 4 games infested with blatant cheaters in 5k elo. MM just feels like absolute shit rn, I hope over time the anti cheat system gets better
2022, There were over 1 million accounts that were vac banned. To put that number to perspective, it equates to 2 accounts being banned every 1 minute. While you are queing up in lobby, searching for a match, there is couple accounts at least being banned. There is a closet cheater in every single game. I have over 8k hours in this garbage game, but unfortunately there are closet cheaters every rank, every platform. Pros are cheating, noobs are cheating, face it level 10s are cheating, the game is a hot mess from the beginning. It will never change, unless the view and perception of what gaming is changes. We adore, admire and cheer for streamers and pros who are good at the game, and young teenager who witness this will be encouraged to cheat to achieve that status from others. Im a 43 year old casual gamer who owns and runs multi million dollar business, I don't need to prove anything to anyone online, and no desire to cheat. Its just a video game to me at the end of the day. Its pretty disgusting how young generation of kids are becoming cheaters, and liars who will lie their way to the top. Valve needs to understand and make a executive decision to actually ban all cheaters and enforce much intrusive anti cheat for the game to prosper. I honestly feel like CS2 will be the biggest joke unless they address this issue now. But what do I know, Im just a dad ranting. Have fun !
VAC GOTTA BE ON POINT IF CS2 WANTS TO SURVIVE
its going to survive forsure but Im sure we all want it to thrive 😔
@@niftyK pro scene? yes it will survive. the casual/pug scene is almost dead already.
@@b3n751 Lol
@@b3n751 There are currently 1 million players 😂
In all of the Games I have played so far, I don’t think I had a cheater - definitely not a spinnbotting bhopping something as seen in many of these vids.
it is expectd to play with people who cheat when you play online. One thing you can do is to think that if you play mm is to not play it seriously and if you want to play competitively is go to faceit.
true
"Hundreds of accounts got banned"
bro that's like 1% of cheaters in csgo.
LOL
All i wanted for a new cs was 128tick and a better anti cheat we got neither
subtick better tho just wish that the animation sync tho.
My matches have been mostly clean, or at least I thought so until I check Leetify and see that at least 20% had cheaters that got banned in them, and who knows how many more that just didn't get banned. If the cheaters are good at hiding that they're cheating they'll ruin so many matches without getting banned and no one will even notice. Unfortunately since Valve doesn't want to make a good anti cheat I think cheaters are always going to be a huge problem in CS. When ban waves happen most will just buy a new account, new cheat and continue ruining the game for many people.
i cant even play cs2 ): it req sse4.2 instructions on my cpu but i dont have that
looking good lil bro!
Hopefully the A.I is just in its learning phase atm.. and it will kick into gear with full release ? thats what im hoping..
Cheaters in video games should be convicted similarly to people who hack into bank accounts. They are no different from cybercriminals and deserve long prison terms.
Machine learning anti cheat will probably start out slow but these things ramp up exponentially it’ll if trained properly can become very efficient it does, also for anyone brain dead saying cs2 is dying already, the player base is some of the highest in series history
My external is still going no ban yet and I doubt I’ll get one
as long as you dont write memory you wont. read only and then also using a good overlay method is the way forward and will remain undetected for a really really long time
@@larshardwaretests9561 The only thing it does is read memory, and the overlay is through my AMD adrenaline software
That bottle behind you is DADDIES ANGEL "RED LABEL"?
This game is too unstable, I’ve played more than 8 matches, won 2 all because of the cheaters.
The higher your elo the more you’ll see them. Sometimes I wish I was learning cs for the first time again..
I’m really hype for cs2 came out but everything still not yet fixed, so it still in fixing alot of stuff. I might be playing it around 2 or 3 months more to see if they will fix most things out or not ( just like cl_bob and cl_righthand 0 not even getting back yet)
i assumed they think that the new vac live is pitiful and just play with there main account
bro casually has whiskey bottle next to him :D
I’ve faced one blatant cheater but I have been very suspicious of a lot of other people I’ve played against. Could totally just be me being mg1 facing globals during placement tho.
every game i get atleast 2 wallhackers :C
I have those same logitech speakers.....love em!
Me and a buddy used to be be Guardian Elites, but haven't played in years. We heard about CS2 and hopped on to play wingman and goof around. Get placed into Silver 2 and half of our lobbies have had cheaters in them. Silver 2 is nearly the lowest rank in the game, why cheat at such a low level??
Even playing CS2 purely to goof around with my buddy, the cheaters have made us give up the game after about a week of playing. CS has always had rampant cheating, but it feels even worse now.
sick hockey skateboarding hat
i have encountered 2 cheaters and 7 smurfs now
I don't get the ropz clip around 1 min mark. He has to be joking right? He literally shoots one of the enemies (and the T doesn't even look his way until he starts shooting) and then the other two T's prefire because they literally just saw one of their teammates get killed, heard ropz shooting and the teammate that died saw him so he would've called ropz out and ropz would've showed up on the minimap. How is that instance any indication whatsoever that someone is cheating?
The situation atm is so bad. I'm getting called out for cheats while playing in Silver 3 stoned out of my mind. You know it's bad if you call the bottom fragger a cheater after he spray and prayed you with an AK.
In Beta i never played against a cheater, every match was fun, but at release i feel like every second game someone is cheating, idk if its just me who has this feeling
Ur just bad
Also St4ck copped a community ban. That guy with the lvl 5000 Steam account.
Yep, community banned.
Update: It's gone from his account.
3:25 I'm sorry what? Inventory changers? 😂
How do you have 500+ accounts tied to one phone number. Steam literally does not allow that, you cant use the same number twice? No source, no evidence just some random tweet with 2 images. Thanks for adding to the misinformation, really helping solve the problem.
You can put as many accounts on the authentication as you'd like you're wrong
Nice, fresh ban wave i can now play again. And still get destroyed...
skincel's seething
Huh and I wondered how some of these scumbags instantly found me every time even in the best hiding spots. They dont even feel the need to sneak and rush straight to the bombspot and Aim right at my hiding spot....
They need to hardware ban, phone number ban, ip ban, and whatever else we can do to prevent this. Valve has the money to do something serious about this but doesn’t. Really doesn’t sit well with me especially with the crappy sub tick system they introduced. Hopefully there’s a brighter future for CS2.
the matches I've been in have been seemingly clean, like yeah there were a few questionable plays/shots but that can be pinned down to how the elo is fucked rn, like I was in Master Guardian in CSGO and now I'm playing against silvers in CS2, and every now and them I'm getting matched against people who were DMG or higher but because they haven't played enough to get a rank in CS2 so I'm getting matched against them. I haven't been playing Premier tho, just matchmaking since the game dropped. If the people were cheating, it was subtle, you could easily pin it down to elo diff or just plain bad luck like getting running headshot from Scaff when I'm sitting CT on Mirage.
I mean, there is no way to 100% tell since demos have been disabled. A lot of cases where the other team is down 9-3 and after that one dude doesn't miss a single shot but could be normal, for my sanity I don't say anymore that someone is cheating except if i can view the demo.
Cs should do something similar to storage wars. Bid on skins from accounts no longer belonging to banned accounts
Already meet 3 cheaters in different games and it's extremely blatant prefiring all the time even with questionable situation
Assumptions aren't Fact. You only conclude it's cheaters when you don't have any reasonable doubt
dude, is this a whisky bottle on the right ?
Imagine all the blatant cheaters banned, then we are still stuck with the rest doing it more secretive... If only they would invest millions in a proper anti cheat just as we invest millions in their skins.
When I play Matches of SMFC and upper lobby then almost half of time there are some kind of hacks in opposition or my team :p
Valorant Vanguard: Crap they’re actually doing something for once.
They should collect all the skins of the hackers and redistribute them in some kind of event to normal players, if the skins are obsolete whats the point of these hackers having them?
Yea...when its this blatant its hard to enjoy the "new game high" with CS2 and the cheating issues
Seeing that they have done actions to ban these problem people is great and all...but with nothing to prevent it just pushes more and more people away
I've had to deal with a lot of cheaters. Pretty blatant cheaters as well.
In my opinion the ban waves arent anything special, beacuse they just ban a bunch of cheaters who then go and get a new account. Where as if they would imploment something that constantly bans cheater would probably make the game a whole lot of good. Like VAC live, somthing they promised with the release of cs2 but you know valve and all.
Not sure if it's due to cheaters, but my win rate in ranked is 0% at the moment. Used to be Gold IV in CSGO and now probably won't even get Silver I.
CS players: We want 128 ticks
Valve: With the release of CS2, here is sub-ticks!
CS players: *Mf what part of "We want 128 ticks" did you not understand?*
I have no idea if they were actually cheating but, 3/5 games seemed very suspicious.
Give the hardcore counterstrike players a pre steam loading pre game launch intrusive as all hell anti cheat, requiring personal ID sent in and pair to account. Cheating is super common in cs always